Are S&S payements due this week?

lennyloulou

Are the S&S payments due in this pay package.... I think we got them this time last year?

bdoo

lennyloulou wrote: »

Are the S&S payments due in this pay package.... I think we got them this time last year?

end of July i think

implausible

bdoo wrote: »

end of July i think

I'm with Ulster Bank, so probably June 2013:rolleyes::D

TheDriver

implausible wrote: »

I'm with Ulster Bank, so probably June 2012:rolleyes::D

ahem, it is 2012.....

solerina

Def not today anyway !!! Just checked now

Miss Lockhart

My S&S payment is on my June payslip.

bdoo

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

My S&S payment is on my June payslip.

I only looked at the bottom line on mine and it looked the same as always.... that wouldn't mean I didnt get it the way they pillage it.

Must double check :-)

Murzie

It was 14th July last year, probably the same week this year

Moody_mona

So are we thinking tomorrow?

trebormurf

Nothing this week.

Moody_mona

Thanks!

solerina

Was really hoping it would be today....(although I know I was almost crying at the amount last last).....but not in this weeks pay either :-(

bdoo

solerina wrote: »

Was really hoping it would be today....(although I know I was almost crying at the amount last last).....but not in this weeks pay either :-(

Im in vec it will be in our July wages, was talking to the payroll girl today.

Millem

solerina wrote: »

Was really hoping it would be today....(although I know I was almost crying at the amount last last).....but not in this weeks pay either :-(

I was told it will be in next wages! How much is it again? €400 net? It always sickens me when I see it and
I always say I am not doing it anymore! Lol

Rapunzels

Millem wrote: »

solerina wrote: »

Was really hoping it would be today....(although I know I was almost crying at the amount last last).....but not in this weeks pay either :-(

I was told it will be in next wages! How much is it again? €400 net? It always sickens me when I see it and
I always say I am not doing it anymore! Lol

Is that dept wages? It was €500 last year...

solerina

Rapunzels wrote: »

Is that dept wages? It was €500 last year...

I think it was almost 1000euro the first few years....

Millem

Rapunzels wrote: »

Millem wrote: »

solerina wrote: »

Was really hoping it would be today....(although I know I was almost crying at the amount last last).....but not in this weeks pay either :-(

I was told it will be in next wages! How much is it again? €400 net? It always sickens me when I see it and
I always say I am not doing it anymore! Lol

Is that dept wages? It was €500 last year...

Yes dept wages

Miss Lockhart

Is it paid at different times by the Dept. and by the various VECs? Like I said, my payment was in June. Surprised others are still waiting.

solerina

Yeah, it must be I am Dept not VEC

km79

Surely will get it tomorrow ...

Millem

km79 wrote: »

Surely will get it tomorrow ...

Fingers crossed and hopefully not less than €500!

gaeilgegrinds1

€489...that's what I got.

Millem

gaeilgegrinds1 wrote: »

€489...that's what I got.

Got €439.66

km79

Got €439.66[/Quote]
Same

doc_17

gaeilgegrinds1 wrote: »

€489...that's what I got.

What did you get in Feb? I'm guessing that it was probably 600 gross and about 250 net? Means that this is taxed at about 62%!

highly1111

My gross amount was only €296.38. However I went on maternity leave on feb 10th. I assume this would explain it and although I'm on maternity pay they don't pay me S&S while on maternity leave???

doc_17

Well in fairness you didn't do the S&S so I would think that would be reasonable enough?

implausible

highly1111 wrote: »

My gross amount was only €296.38. However I went on maternity leave on feb 10th. I assume this would explain it and although I'm on maternity pay they don't pay me S&S while on maternity leave???

Your sub will get the S&S. I went off at Easter - should be an interestingly crap amount. Didn't want to do it all after Xmas but veep wouldn't take me off the list:rolleyes:

gaeilgebeo

I will not be doing it again.
It is just not worth it anymore.

Millem

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

I will not be doing it again.
It is just not worth it anymore.

I always say that! But then again it pays car insurance and car tax for the year!

km79

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

I will not be doing it again.
It is just not worth it anymore.

It's money for nothing. I'll be doing it while we get paid for it .
It's only a matter of time before its
Done away with anyway ....

doc_17

It's not money for nothing. We give up our lunch breaks for it. It's a bloody torture

vamos!

km79 wrote: »

It's money for nothing. I'll be doing it while we get paid for it .
It's only a matter of time before its
Done away with anyway ....

Making yourself available for 3 periods a week where you are to be responsible for 28+ students who you may or may not know is not money for nothing. Neither is taking responsibility for the behaviour of 120 students at break, lunch and before school. There is no planning or correcting and if the students are well behaved it is not particularly stressful but it is also not nothing. It is not the same a free time and lunchtime.

km79

vamos! wrote: »

km79 wrote: »

It's money for nothing. I'll be doing it while we get paid for it .
It's only a matter of time before its
Done away with anyway ....

Making yourself available for 3 periods a week where you are to be responsible for 28+ students who you may or may not know is not money for nothing. Neither is taking responsibility for the behaviour of 120 students at break, lunch and before school. There is no planning or correcting and if the students are well behaved it is not particularly stressful but it is also not nothing. It is not the same a free time and lunchtime.

There are over 1000 students in our school so it ain't easy. But the more teachers that do it the easier it is.
We will soon be doing it for free ....

Millem

km79 wrote: »

vamos! wrote: »

km79 wrote: »

It's money for nothing. I'll be doing it while we get paid for it .
It's only a matter of time before its
Done away with anyway ....

Making yourself available for 3 periods a week where you are to be responsible for 28+ students who you may or may not know is not money for nothing. Neither is taking responsibility for the behaviour of 120 students at break, lunch and before school. There is no planning or correcting and if the students are well behaved it is not particularly stressful but it is also not nothing. It is not the same a free time and lunchtime.

There are over 1000 students in our school so it ain't easy. But the more teachers that do it the easier it is.
We will soon be doing it for free ....

My VP reckons we will be doing it for free too. I have to agree with the other poster it is torture, but next year I am going to ask to do early morning instead of lunch! Supposedly Teachers who teach practical subjects will need to take their classes while the practicals are on next year as cover won't be provided. This will affect me as I am a home ec teacher so I don't know what will happen to kids during prep time if I am expected to teach my classes!

doc_17

Bit off topic but I can't see practicals going ahead without the presence of the appropriately qualified teacher. Of they hurt themselves using power tools or something you're in bother.

doc_17

Just a general question here....how do your schools run the S&S? Like do some of you mix cover for classes and lunchtime supervision? Our school wouldn't be that big and some teaches don't opt in so all those in our school doing super and sub have to cover breaks and lunch.

We all have 3 20 minute segments or maybe 2 lunches and 2 breaks

gaeilgebeo

km79 wrote: »

It's money for nothing. I'll be doing it while we get paid for it .
It's only a matter of time before its
Done away with anyway ....

How on earth is it money for nothing?
I certainly earn every penny of it!

km79

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

km79 wrote: »

It's money for nothing. I'll be doing it while we get paid for it .
It's only a matter of time before its
Done away with anyway ....

How on earth is it money for nothing?
I certainly earn every penny of it![/Quote
I don't mind the supervision aspect of it. With a large school but a small staff room I tend to wander around most small breaks anyway !
The substitution aspect of it I'm not a fan of

Millem

doc_17 wrote: »

Bit off topic but I can't see practicals going ahead without the presence of the appropriately qualified teacher. Of they hurt themselves using power tools or something you're in bother.

Our school uses s &s to cover us for practicals! Woodwork teacher this year did not get class covered as I think the examiner was a woodwork teacher

Miss Lockhart

I don't know how anyone could consider S&S as money for nothing!

In our school we make ourselves available for two 40-minute periods or for supervision before school or after school. You can have a combination of out-of-hours supervision an in-school substitution.

I definitely earn my money anyway.

What I find particularly unfair is that S&S is also used to plug holes in the timetable in our place too. For example, if they have 7/8 extra periods of English to cover then they will be added to people's timetables as S&S. These classes involve preparation and correction, yet are paid at a reduced rate. The S&S rate is supposed to take into account that it's "only" supervision - but timetabled classes should be paid at the full rate. :mad:

doc_17

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

I don't know how anyone could consider S&S as money for nothing!

In our school we make ourselves available for two 40-minute periods or for supervision before school or after school. You can have a combination of out-of-hours supervision an in-school substitution.

I definitely earn my money anyway.

What I find particularly unfair is that S&S is also used to plug holes in the timetable in our place too. For example, if they have 7/8 extra periods of English to cover then they will be added to people's timetables as S&S. These classes involve preparation and correction, yet are paid at a reduced rate. The S&S rate is supposed to take into account that it's "only" supervision - but timetabled classes should be paid at the full rate. :mad:

I'd think that this is a union issue. Have permanent teachers not kicked off about this?

implausible

doc_17 wrote: »

I'd that this is a union issue. Have permanent teachers not kicked off about this?

I'd second this, not what the scheme is for at all and totally unfair. How has the union not been informed?

implausible

The spelling error in the title of the thread title suits it - most of the money goes on PAYE:D

Powerhouse

km79 wrote: »

It's money for nothing. I'll be doing it while we get paid for it .
It's only a matter of time before its
Done away with anyway ....

Perhaps your own circumstances lead you to think this way. But for any teacher on close to full hours it is an imposition which cuts in on preparation time and potential free time which might be well needed depending on timetable (though we're probably not allowed mention the latter anymore).

Leaving aside the "we'll all be doing it for free shortly anyway" and "someone has to do it or the school will cease to function" tangential arguments, it is debateable whether it is worth the money. If the apparent value of the money was not distorted by the fact that it comes as a couple of lumps this might not even be debateable. If it was tagged on as a relatively invisible few euros at the at the end of each wage packet instead I think it might be viewed more negatively.

What is not debateable is the contention that it is "money for nothing". It is far from that. When you have to be in school early and late copying and doing preparation work that could possibly be done during those supervision classes, the price that has to be paid for it is clear. Not all prices are in monetary terms.

km79

Powerhouse wrote: »

km79 wrote: »

It's money for nothing. I'll be doing it while we get paid for it .
It's only a matter of time before its
Done away with anyway ....

Perhaps your own circumstances lead you to think this way. But for any teacher on close to full hours it is an imposition which cuts in on preparation time and potential free time which might be well needed depending on timetable (though we're probably not allowed mention the latter anymore).

Leaving aside the "we'll all be doing it for free shortly anyway" and "someone has to do it or the school will cease to function" tangential arguments, it is debateable whether it is worth the money. If the apparent value of the money was not distorted by the fact that it comes as a couple of lumps this might not even be debateable. If it was tagged on as a relatively invisible few euros at the at the end of each wage packet instead I think it might be viewed more negatively.

What is not debateable is the contention that it is "money for nothing". It is far from that. When you have to be in school early and late copying and doing preparation work that could possibly be done during those supervision classes, the price that has to be paid for it is clear. Not all prices are in monetary terms.

I am on full hours ( and have been for a number of years )and train teams lunch time and occasionally after school. I also have young children myself.
I still think that getting paid to supervise children around the school is a bonus. In my opinion it's part of the job anyway .
For anyone who thinks its not worth doing the solution is clear - don't sign up for it.
Thats my input anyhow for what's its worth (pun intended ) 😉
*unfollows thread *

gaeilgebeo

km79 wrote: »

I am on full hours ( and have been for a number of years )and train teams lunch time and occasionally after school. I also have young children myself.
I still think that getting paid to supervise children around the school is a bonus. In my opinion it's part of the job anyway .
For anyone who thinks its not worth doing the solution is clear - don't sign up for it.
Thats my input anyhow for what's its worth (pun intended ) 😉
*unfollows thread *

When do you get all your preparation done so?

As for your point on it being part of your job, be careful what you wish for...:(

Miss Lockhart

doc_17 wrote: »

I'd that this is a union issue. Have permanent teachers not kicked off about this?

Nobody seems to make any issue out of it. Some think it is better than having to walk into a random group - at least you know your own class.

It is mostly permanent teachers that do the S&S and aside from the odd grumble they don't seem to see the issue. The union reps would themselves have extra timetabled classes paid by S&S so I suppose the union know but don't see any problem with it.

doc_17

I think that's a slippy slope to go down. If the dept came and tagged on 3 periods per week to our 22hrs then I'd bet the union would have something to say then. It should be used for S&S.

Are there any teachers covering lunchtimes etc or is a skeleton crew?

Powerhouse

km79 wrote: »

I am on full hours ( and have been for a number of years )and train teams lunch time and occasionally after school. I also have young children myself.
I still think that getting paid to supervise children around the school is a bonus. In my opinion it's part of the job anyway .
For anyone who thinks its not worth doing the solution is clear - don't sign up for it.
Thats my input anyhow for what's its worth (pun intended ) 😉
*unfollows thread *

I'm not sure your position is as rock solid on this as you imply. This is what you wrote earlier "It's money for nothing. I'll be doing it while we get paid for it."

The last remark implies that you might stop doing it when you are not paid for it - but if you regard it as "part of the job" then why should the money be a game-changer for you?

implausible

I'd rather do an hour's unpaid S&S every week than these crap Croke Park hours. And I'm not wishing for it to end, but there is no way the Govt is going to keep paying us extra for it. I do believe it is part of our job, but it should be included in our hours.