Loch Ness Monster Is Real and so Disproves Evolution

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/25/american-fundamentalists-loch-ness-monster-is-real_n_1623533.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

"They're saying if Noah's flood only happened 4000 years ago, which they believe literally happened, then possibly a sea monster survived. If it was millions of years ago then that would be ridiculous. That's their logic."
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"We think these sort of tactics are likely to be deployed in the UK as we do not have the protection of a separation between the Church and state. A third of schools teaching children are run by religious organisations - that's the danger we have in the UK. They are free to endorse right-wing politics."

Aren't over 90% of our schools run by religions organisations ?

FatherLen

so the loch ness monster is still not real?


hopes were officially up op.

srsly78

The Catholic church has no problem with evolution. Americans on the other hand...

CardBordWindow

Now I'm more confused than ever!

Scioch

srsly78 wrote: »

The Catholic church has no problem with evolution. Americans on the other hand...

Catholic church has no option but to have no problem with evolution. If they could still be claiming the bible is literal then they would be but its not good for business these days. Have to keep the coffer fulls an all that.

davet82

any pics of the monster?

suicide_circus

srsly78 wrote: »

The Catholic church has no problem with evolution. Americans on the other hand...

indeed. The catholic church does not take every story,proverb or fable in the bible literally unlike many of the protestant churches

My name is URL

What a time to be alive!

kryogen

Creationists.

Gotta love them

seamus

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Aren't over 90% of our schools run by religions organisations ?

Thankfully they don't really consider the bible to be anything more than "just a guideline".

I feel embarrassed for these Americans though.

Even if they did discover that a species of plesiosaur (or a descendent) had managed to survive for 180 million years with a relatively limited supply of food, that wouldn't somehow disproves evolution or "prove" the bible.

Species have gone "missing" for longer.

3ndahalfof6

is the loch ness monster not just a priest or nun from loch ness

steddyeddy

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/25/american-fundamentalists-loch-ness-monster-is-real_n_1623533.html?utm_hp_ref=ukAren't over 90% of our schools run by religions organisations ?

Well they also use the example of bigfoot, the yeti and all sorts of other possible creatures as proof of creation. If they are real I dont see how thats proof of creation by an intelligent being.

Where To

There's more than one, there's a whole family of them and I have conclusive proof which I will exclusively reveal here!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaCzbqdFS24

Duggy747

World is 6000 years old and a man named Noah managed to get all the species onto his boat to survive a global flooding.

Seems legit...

ScumLord

"They're saying if Noah's flood only happened 4000 years ago, which they believe literally happened, then possibly a sea monster survived. If it was millions of years ago then that would be ridiculous. That's their logic."

If it can live more than 4000 years why couldn't it live for millions of years?

This nonsense should be seen criminal damage to young impressionable children's minds. Religion seems adept at causing long term harm to people.

humbert

The linked article is far more difficult to believe.

If you suggested apartheid was a positive thing on Twitter you could find yourself in court but it's purportedly being taught as part of an A-Level equivalent curriculum.

Sonics2k

The stupidity of these people should be illegal.

rossie1977

Duggy747 wrote: »

World is 6000 years old and a man named Noah managed to get all the species onto his boat to survive a global flooding.

Seems legit...

all 10 billion species of animal and then managed to distribute them throughout the world so that the majority of all marsupials are in australia :rolleyes:

later12

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/25/american-fundamentalists-loch-ness-monster-is-real_n_1623533.html?utm_hp_ref=ukAren't over 90% of our schools run by religions organisations ?

Yeah but what's that got to do with Christian fundamentalists?

Human beings believe in all sorts of odd stuff from love at first sight to objective truth to "fate" to Jesus Christ. These Americans are particularly off the scale in terms of their wacky beliefs, but it doesn't apply to all religious people any more than it applies to all Americans or all people named Hank and Pattie.

I guess I really just don't see the direct link between the article and Irish schools. Schools here introduce a pretty tame version of faith these days: look around you, how fundamentalist do young people emerging from the educational institutions seem to you?

Capt'n Midnight

Duggy747 wrote: »

World is 6000 years old and a man named Noah managed to get all the species onto his boat to survive a global flooding.

Seems legit...

Why would Nessie need an ark ?

ScumLord

later12 wrote: »

I guess I really just don't see the direct link between the article and Irish schools. Schools here introduce a pretty tame version of faith these days: look around you, how fundamentalist do young people emerging from the educational institutions seem to you?

I don't think there's to much worry about this catching on in Ireland, the real worry is these young people could potentially have access to nuclear weapons when they grow up.

I Heart Internet

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Aren't over 90% of our schools run by religions organisations ?

Nice try Captain. Nice try.

Lash up a report about creationist nutjobs in the USA and then try and link it to the catholic church and, more specifically, the patronage of schools in Ireland by various religious organisations including the catholic church.

Way to get an honest, reasonable debate going on education reform my friend. You have embiggened us all with your wisdom.

northernpower

Well it was about that time that I notice that girl scout was about eight stories tall and was a crustacean from the palezoic era,

smokingman

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Nice try Captain. Nice try.

Lash up a report about creationist nutjobs in the USA and then try and link it to the catholic church and, more specifically, the patronage of schools in Ireland by various religious organisations including the catholic church.

Way to get an honest, reasonable debate going on education reform my friend. You have embiggened us all with your wisdom.

Maybe he was just commenting on why it's not good to make children believe that "magic" is a real, tangible thing in a place of learning?

Nessie, holy "spirits", zombies....what's next? Homoeopathy?

I Heart Internet

smokingman wrote: »

Maybe he was just commenting on why it's not good to make children believe that "magic" is a real, tangible thing in a place of learning?

Nessie, holy "spirits", zombies....what's next? Homoeopathy?

Like I say, desperate attempt to smear Irish schools as being run by raving loonies.

Duggy747

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Why would Nessie need an ark ?

He didn't, but I'm sure he would've appreciated an invitation.

Or at least got his own boat, with a little sailor cap too.

sbsquarepants

"They're saying if Noah's flood only happened 4000 years ago, which they believe literally happened, then possibly a sea monster survived. If it was millions of years ago then that would be ridiculous. That's their logic."

Well..... of all the creatures equipped to survive floods, sea monsters would have to be among the best. Makes perfect sense:D

Putting him on an ark though - that probably would have killed him!

smash

Talk about a misleading thread title.

Captain Darling

Three fiddy.

dlofnep

Holy christ. People are stupid.

mathepac

The US is riddled by all sorts of nut-jobs. You don't have to focus on a little corner of the Southern US to experience them.

There was wide-spread panic in the state of Georgia when the TV announced that Russia had invaded Georgia - isolationist or what?

Remember Jamie Oliver's US school dinners TV show? IIRC the federal school system has declared pizza to be a vegetable, for the purposes of feeding kids at school.

If you fed Nessie on enough US veggies he might sink, then where would their theories be?

davet82

smash wrote: »

Talk about a misleading thread title.

i wanted to see nessy

Chuck Stone

Even chimps know that evolution is a fact these days FFS.

AudreyHepburn

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/25/american-fundamentalists-loch-ness-monster-is-real_n_1623533.html?utm_hp_ref=ukAren't over 90% of our schools run by religions organisations ?

Yes. And as I think we all well know none of them teach Creation as fact.

But people are entitled to believe what they want OP.

c_man

suicide_circus wrote: »

indeed. The catholic church does not take every story,proverb or fable in the bible literally unlike many of the protestant churches

Yeah, the Catholics just added a whole load of new ones to their beliefs.

Dionysius2

Psssst....for anyone who wants to see Nessie.....I can assist. Nessie is in a pond beside one of the large hotels beside the loch. Saw it there last year.
Probably thinks the Loch is too dangerous with all that's going on there.

BillyMitchel

So Nessa isn't alive? If Nessa was alive would he/she/it be housands of years? I'm very disappointed with this..

Burt Lancaster

non story

Napper Hawkins

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Nice try Captain. Nice try.

Lash up a report about creationist nutjobs in the USA and then try and link it to the catholic church and, more specifically, the patronage of schools in Ireland by various religious organisations including the catholic church.

Way to get an honest, reasonable debate going on education reform my friend. You have embiggened us all with your wisdom.

Less of your cromulence you!

Capt'n Midnight

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Nice try Captain. Nice try.

Lash up a report about creationist nutjobs in the USA and then try and link it to the catholic church and, more specifically, the patronage of schools in Ireland by various religious organisations including the catholic church.

Way to get an honest, reasonable debate going on education reform my friend. You have embiggened us all with your wisdom.

I'm amazed at what seems to be some peoples desire to be offended.

This is about bias in new schools.

There is no government investment in primary schools here. All that happens is they fund schools that have been built and run by other organisations.

I've heard of people sending their children to Gaelscoil and Protestant Schools, not because of the language or the religion but because it was perceived to be a better school. If an organisation focused on the three R's and their pupils got good grades in exams there are plenty of parents who wouldn't care too much what else they got taught.

I Heart Internet

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

I'm amazed at what seems to be some peoples desire to be offended.

This is about bias in new schools.

There is no government investment in primary schools here. All that happens is they fund schools that have been built and run by other organisations.

I've heard of people sending their children to Gaelscoil and Protestant Schools, not because of the language or the religion but because it was perceived to be a better school. If an organisation focused on the three R's and their pupils got good grades in exams there are plenty of parents who wouldn't care too much what else they got taught.

I'm confused by your response tbh.

What exactly is your point? That parents prefer good schools? That's not news.

forfuxsake

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I'm confused by your response tbh.

What exactly is your point? That parents prefer good schools? That's not news.

I'm with you I heart.

Jesus loves us so much that he gave his life for our sins and those of you who don't teach this simple truth to your children are condemning them to an eternal life of burning in agony in satan's dungeons.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Not enough talk about Nessie on this thread.

Duggys Housemate

LordSmeg wrote: »

Catholic church has no option but to have no problem with evolution. If they could still be claiming the bible is literal then they would be but its not good for business these days. Have to keep the coffer fulls an all that.

They never said the bible was literal.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

I'm amazed at what seems to be some peoples desire to be offended.

This is about bias in new schools.

There is no government investment in primary schools here. All that happens is they fund schools that have been built and run by other organisations.

I've heard of people sending their children to Gaelscoil and Protestant Schools, not because of the language or the religion but because it was perceived to be a better school. If an organisation focused on the three R's and their pupils got good grades in exams there are plenty of parents who wouldn't care too much what else they got taught.

Sure, but we have a State curriculum unlike the US.

you know something. I am a defender of Catholic education in Ireland for one reason only - if it aint broke too bad don't try fix it and make it worse.

The anti-Catholic school angries point to secular schooling as the way forward, but the US - which is secular constitutionally and has secular schools is where we get the most of this creationist nonsense. Empirically then, secular State schooling doesn't seem to work.

nacimroc

Its time to build a big wall around these baffoons and let nothing out.

SafeSurfer

The religious right is an incredibly powerful constituency in the US. Have you ever noticed how subtle some of the attempts to legitimise bible stories through science is.

On the History channel recently there was a programme called the science behind the seven deadly plagues from the Old testament. Cue smart looking scientist in white coat describing how the plagues would have happened.

A clever but insidious way of interpreting the Old Testament as the literal truth, backed up by "scientific" fact.

Capt'n Midnight

SafeSurfer wrote: »

On the History channel recently there was a programme called the science behind the seven deadly plagues from the Old testament. Cue smart looking scientist in white coat describing how the plagues would have happened.

A clever but insidious way of interpreting the Old Testament as the literal truth, backed up by "scientific" fact.

http://www.publications.steveplatt.net/tenplagues.htm

Algal bloom and knock on effects explain most of the plagues

Hailstones , rare but it happens

Plague of Locusts , not really that rare, but lousy timing

Darkness from a sandstorm



Yes there is a lot of historical record contained in the Bible. But showing that parts of it are plausible doesn't mean all of it is. Anyway interpreting natural phenomenon as miracles doesn't prove they are miracles.

Scioch

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

They never said the bible was literal.

Sure they did, they still hold onto as much as they can that can be interpreted literally. I was taught as a child the stories from the bible as facts, it all happened and it was all real no matter how absurd it was.

As it has become apparent that its all myth and nonsense it has become more vague and open to interpretation to allow the church to perpetuate this nonsense without being called out on the fact its all bullshít.

Duggys Housemate

LordSmeg wrote: »

Sure they did, they still hold onto as much as they can that can be interpreted literally. I was taught as a child the stories from the bible as facts, it all happened and it was all real.

As it has become apparent that its all myth and nonsense it has become more vague and open to interpretation to allow the church to perpetuate this nonsense without being called out on the fact its all bullshít.

Wrong. The Catholic Church sees a lot, if not most, of the Bible as non-literal, in particular and most importantly, Genesis. It was a long a form of Protestant attacks on Catholicism that the Catholics hid the real meaning of Christianity, by not allowing the bible in the vernacular, back in the day.

Here is a link to a report called.

Catholic Bishops warn against literal interpretations of the Bible


Have a guess what thats about.

I am not a believer, by the way, but why is it that in all threads about evolution regarding the evangelists in the US in comes the angry New Atheist comes in his semi-literate group think about the Katholics. Sing a different tune. One with a bit more information.

Scioch

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Wrong. The Catholic Church sees a lot, if not most, of the Bible as non-literal, in particular and most importantly, Genesis. It was a long a form of Protestant attacks on Catholicism that the Catholics hid the real meaning of Christianity, by not allowing the bible in the vernacular, back in the day.

Here is a link to a report called.

Catholic Bishops warn against literal interpretations of the Bible


Have a guess what thats about.

Ammm its about exactly what I have been talking about. The church changing how the bible is viewed to enable then to perpetuate absolute nonsense. But thanks for making my point. This piece from that article sums up my point nicely.

They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways ìappropriate to changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporariesî.

I am not a believer, by the way, but why is it that in all threads about evolution regarding the evangelists in the US in comes the angry New Atheist comes in his semi-literate group think about the Katholics. Sing a different tune. One with a bit more information.

I'm just talking calmly about what I was taught and what the bible is. Your the one popping a vein over it. Your either a believer claiming not to be one to try and give yourself some credibility or your the Angry "anti-atheist" coming in to defend the "Katholics" just to take a pop at an Atheist. Angry that its popular maybe and you have to find a new opinion to stand out from the "group think".

And next time read your own "counter argument" before calling someone semi-literate. lol

JuliusCaesar

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The religious right is an incredibly powerful constituency in the US.

Have you noticed the storyline in Prometheus with the 'scientist' who believes in "intelligent design" (a fancy name for creationism)? I presume that was to appeal to that constituency.




What I don't quite understand is how those Born Again Christians who emerged in the 70s-80s became so fundamentalist.... The BACs in the 80s weren't creationists.