Stuff split from the Extra Nenagh Trains thread

bk

mikemac1 wrote: »

If Wicklow kept 100% of its resovoir water then Dublin would be in serious trouble

Dublin pays for that water.

dowlingm

Are we there (Infrastructure Forum) yet? :rolleyes:

fly_agaric

noelfirl wrote: »

Dick Roche's favourite historical population dispersal argument doesn't really cut mustard either.

well, maybe it holds water if people want to live just like they did back in those halcyon "historical" times pre industrial revolution
, pre large cities, pre all ensuite bedrooms and underfloor heating systems...:)

Tragedy

parsi wrote: »

Folk living somewhat off the beaten track are often unable to avail of services available to others.

For example being in an area devoid of public transport the parents of a child who needs regular visits to hospital will have to fork out the costs themselves . It must be galling for them to see other less deserving cases in the cities and small towns getting and abusing golden tickets allowing then to swan around the country whilst they scrimp to pay for petrol.

These folks don't even have the luxury of saying " I don't want to travel on a private bus".

I don't know any parents who bring sick children on public transport unless they have absolutely no other option.

parsi

Tragedy wrote: »

parsi wrote: »

Folk living somewhat off the beaten track are often unable to avail of services available to others.

For example being in an area devoid of public transport the parents of a child who needs regular visits to hospital will have to fork out the costs themselves . It must be galling for them to see other less deserving cases in the cities and small towns getting and abusing golden tickets allowing then to swan around the country whilst they scrimp to pay for petrol.

These folks don't even have the luxury of saying " I don't want to travel on a private bus".

I don't know any parents who bring sick children on public transport unless they have absolutely no other option.

Have a gawk at the bus stops outside our hospitals and you'll see children alighting from buses on their way into appointments with specialists and what have you .

n97 mini

mikemac1 wrote: »

If Wicklow kept 100% of its resovoir water then Dublin would be in serious trouble

If Dublin kept 100% of taxes raised then the rest of the country would be in serious trouble, with only one or two exceptions.

Tragedy

parsi wrote: »

Have a gawk at the bus stops outside our hospitals and you'll see children alighting from buses on their way into appointments with specialists and what have you .

I work in the countries largest children's hospital (part time admittedly).
Do you?

I think I'll take your claims with a grain of salt so!

bk

Tragedy wrote: »

I work in the countries largest children's hospital (part time admittedly).
Do you?

I think I'll take your claims with a grain of salt so!

Of course people take public transport to hospitals. Most visits to hospitals aren't emergencies. They can be to visit friends or relatives or to see specialists for non emergency check ups and treatments.

Nothing unusual about that at all.

Tragedy

bk wrote: »

Of course people take public transport to hospitals. Most visits to hospitals aren't emergencies. They can be to visit friends or relatives or to see specialists for non emergency check ups and treatments.

Nothing unusual about that at all.

I don't recall saying people don't take public transports to hospitals?
I do recall saying that parents only take sick children on public transports as a very, very last resort.

Also, you'd be surprised how incredibly few visitors take public transport - even in places with fairly decent links (e.g. Tallaght).

n97 mini

Tragedy wrote: »

Also, you'd be surprised how incredibly few visitors take public transport - even in places with fairly decent links (e.g. Tallaght).

Among lots of other reasons, I'd imagine the fear of being mugged or assaulted on the Luas Red Line are a major deterrent.

monument

Tragedy wrote: »

Also, you'd be surprised how incredibly few visitors take public transport - even in places with fairly decent links (e.g. Tallaght).

Tallaght has decent public transport links?!!

Cookie_Monster

monument wrote: »

Tallaght has decent public transport links?!!

Luas, 27, 49, 54a, 56a, 65, 75, 76, 76a, 77a, 2 nitelinks, BE.
I'd say it does...

monument

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Luas, 27, 49, 54a, 56a, 65, 75, 76, 76a, 77a, 2 nitelinks, BE.
I'd say it does...

Too many of them are low frequency and covering different areas for that list to mean anything. It looks good until you looks at the routes on a map and just how few departures per day some of those routes have.

Tragedy

monument wrote: »

Too many of them are low frequency and covering different areas for that list to mean anything. It looks good until you looks at the routes on a map and just how few departures per day some of those routes have.

49 is every 30 minutes and relatively direct. It's hard to look at the list of buses and claim Tallaght has poor transport links with a straight face, considering pretty much it's whole catchment area is served by one Dublin Bus route or another.

markpb

Tragedy wrote: »

49 is every 30 minutes and relatively direct

2 buses per hour is not frequent unless you're talking about outer suburban or intercity buses.

Tragedy

markpb wrote: »

2 buses per hour is not frequent unless you're talking about outer suburban or intercity buses.

I didn't know that almost every bus route up to ~10 years ago was infrequent enough to render them inadequate as public transport.

Quick, someone go back in time and tell Dublin Bus not to bother setting up for another 15 years!

monument

Tragedy wrote: »

markpb wrote: »

2 buses per hour is not frequent unless you're talking about outer suburban or intercity buses.

I didn't know that almost every bus route up to ~10 years ago was infrequent enough to render them inadequate as public transport.

Quick, someone go back in time and tell Dublin Bus not to bother setting up for another 15 years!

Ha -- big diffrence between "not frequent" and "inadequate" and "not to bother setting up".

If you want to know how good the public transport links are just look at the dreadful modal share it has for all trips.

parsi

Tragedy wrote: »

I work in the countries largest children's hospital (part time admittedly).
Do you?

I think I'll take your claims with a grain of salt so!

Well I assume you're too busy to be looking out at the bus stops.