Racial abuse of a Wexford player by a Wexford player

Harry.c

Sad to see this racism is alive with some members of Duffry rovers, in Wexford,
Think the board are acting on it and so they should, needs to be highlighted and stamped out and players banned for a long time in my opinion, Disguisting

Sorry Lee, All Us Irish are not this way,


http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0620/325778-czxcx/

delta_bravo

Why aren't they named?

wp_rathead

2 months not enough imo
But fair play on the Wexford County board for acting on it swiftly must be said

What are the odds this is prob going to be appealed though?

allthedoyles

Its not new in the GAA but needs to be highlighted and stamped out if possible - Jason Sherlock would be able to offer him some advice .

Lee is an up-and-coming dual player , and he had a decent game tonight too with the U-21's .

Harry.c

delta_bravo wrote: »

Why aren't they named?

They should be, and banned for at least 2 years!

MrJoeSoap

There are idiots in all walks of life, and the GAA is no exception unfortunately. Good to see that the referee and club acted swiftly and properly to get these idiots out of the club, even if two months is quite lenient as far as I'm concerned. As more and more people of foreign descent take up the sport, it's time to set a precedent and make sure that this kind of thing doesn't start to creep into the sport.

Harry.c

allthedoyles wrote: »

Its not new in the GAA but needs to be highlighted and stamped out if possible - Jason Sherlock would be able to offer him some advice .

Lee is an up-and-coming dual player , and he had a decent game tonight too with the U-21's .

In my opinion , they should be named and shamed, there is no place in sport for this racism, people like them disgust me ,

Harry.c

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

There are idiots in all walks of life, and the GAA is no exception unfortunately. Good to see that the referee and club acted swiftly and properly to get these idiots out of the club, even if two months is quite lenient as far as I'm concerned. As more and more people of foreign descent take up the sport, it's time to set a precedent and make sure that this kind of thing doesn't start to creep into the sport.

true, get them out, we dont need them and they dont deserve to play with that mindset:mad:

The_Kew_Tour

Harry.c wrote: »

In my opinion , they should be named and shamed, there is no place in sport for this racism, people like them disgust me ,

totally agree. Would make players think twice

howiya

Presumably they are named in the CCC minutes. Would be wary of naming them in public based on a referee's report though.

Without condoning racism in any way at all (because I'm not) there are plenty of things that happen on our fields that shouldn't happen and yet players go to work on a Monday name with their name in tact. We are amateur players and not the John Terry/Luis Suarez's of this world.

Ireland is a multicultural society and and our games are for everybody. It is right that the Wexford county board acted swiftly and banned the offenders although the penalty would seem very lenient side and hardly deters people from offending.

Treoir Oifiguil sets down the penalty for racism under Rule 7.2 (e) misconduct Considered to have Discredited the Association.

Penalties:
member - A minimum 8 weeks suspension. Debarment and Expulsion from the Association may also be considered.

Team/Unit - where suspension is deemed appropriate - a minimum of 8 weeks. A Fine, Disqualification and Expulsion from the Association may also be considered.

Camo22

Harry.c wrote: »

Sad to see this racism is alive with some members of Duffry rovers, in Wexford,
Think the board are acting on it and so they should, needs to be highlighted and stamped out and players banned for a long time in my opinion, Disguisting

Sorry Lee, All Us Irish are not this way,


http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0620/325778-czxcx/

Disgrace, makes you wonder what goes on in some peoples head..

Syferus

Sorry Lee we're not all that way?

He was born here, grew up here and is very much Irish. He's known this crap probably from the moment he took a field for the first time and I'm sure he knows it's only a loutish minority.

It's fantastic to see people with different backgrounds playing GAA, it's an organisation with huge scope for integration and giving families a real Irish identity to go with their ethnic heritage.

NakedNNettles

howiya wrote: »

Would be wary of naming them in public based on a referee's report though.

Without condoning racism in any way at all (because I'm not) there are plenty of things that happen on our fields that shouldn't happen and yet players go to work on a Monday name with their name in tact. We are amateur players and not the John Terry/Luis Suarez's of this world.
.

F. that! Two tough guys with big mouths like the bullies on the playground.

Name and shame. Let them pay the price now. It will be proper warning to others.

......the media won't be long rooting these hicks out.

jack presley

The comment in the story that I found interesting was the one saying he was born in Wexford, lives in Wexford, works in Wexford etc. Why he felt it necessary to clarify that I don't know. Would it have made a difference if he was some asylum seeker in receipt of state benefit?

J Cheever Loophole

jack presley wrote: »

The comment in the story that I found interesting was the one saying he was born in Wexford, lives in Wexford, works in Wexford etc. Why he felt it necessary to clarify that I don't know. Would it have made a difference if he was some asylum seeker in receipt of state benefit?

I think you're being harsh there Jack - for what it's worth, I think that was said to show solidarity with Lee.

jack presley

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

I think you're being harsh there Jack - for what it's worth, I think that was said to show solidarity with Lee.

Maybe I am but my first thought when I read that sentence was yer man was basically saying "sure he's one of our own, why are you giving him abuse?".

Rasheed

Completely agree with nipping the racial abuse in the bud. With all the immigration in the last few years , there will be loads more multinational players and they are very welcome.

The only thing I would say is, in the heat of a match, players will say anything.

In my local club I've seen and heard atrocious abuse regarding family. An example I've heard is,' you'll be seeing me tomorrow morning at the table after riding your mother' , 'how's your retard of a sister'(down syndrome child)'etc.

Where do you draw the line? Where do you punish people and where do you let them away with it, putting it down to the heat of the moment?

Hammer Archer

Rasheed wrote: »

Completely agree with nipping the racial abuse in the bud. With all the immigration in the last few years , there will be loads more multinational players and they are very welcome.

The only thing I would say is, in the heat of a match, players will say anything.

In my local club I've seen and heard atrocious abuse regarding family. An example I've heard is,' you'll be seeing me tomorrow morning at the table after riding your mother' , 'how's your retard of a sister'(down syndrome child)'etc.

Where do you draw the line? Where do you punish people and where do you let them away with it, putting it down to the heat of the moment?

I'd be in agreement with this. Some of the abuse you hear on the pitch from players and managers is ridiculous.
I'd be interested in knowing what exactly the two guys said to Chin. I presume it was worse than just "You Chinese b*****d" (I'm assuming that he has some Chinese blood in him going by his name).

Another thing; if the referee included the abuse in his report, why didn't he take action during the game?

Lemlin

Rasheed wrote: »

Completely agree with nipping the racial abuse in the bud. With all the immigration in the last few years , there will be loads more multinational players and they are very welcome.

The only thing I would say is, in the heat of a match, players will say anything.

In my local club I've seen and heard atrocious abuse regarding family. An example I've heard is,' you'll be seeing me tomorrow morning at the table after riding your mother' , 'how's your retard of a sister'(down syndrome child)'etc.

Where do you draw the line? Where do you punish people and where do you let them away with it, putting it down to the heat of the moment?

Have to say I agree. Some of the abuse players get can be ridiculous, particularly about their private lives.

For example, what's the difference between this lad being called a "Chinese b******" and a Cavan player being called a "scabby Cavan C***" or a Dublin player being called a "Dublin s******". All three comments are about where the person is from and their origin.

yomtea98

You get loads of abuse during matches.You just got to take it on the chin(no pun intended)

Harry.c

jack presley wrote: »

The comment in the story that I found interesting was the one saying he was born in Wexford, lives in Wexford, works in Wexford etc. Why he felt it necessary to clarify that I don't know. Would it have made a difference if he was some asylum seeker in receipt of state benefit?

Good point, Im not from Wexford either but I still felt the need that this should be highlighted

Harry.c

yomtea98 wrote: »

You get loads of abuse during matches.You just got to take it on the chin(no pun intended)

Rubbish! The reason I brought this up is the lad was racialy abused, I wasnt talking about how you are playing etc, I,m talking about racism:mad:

Harry.c

Lemlin wrote: »

Have to say I agree. Some of the abuse players get can be ridiculous, particularly about their private lives.

For example, what's the difference between this lad being called a "Chinese b******" and a Cavan player being called a "scabby Cavan C***" or a Dublin player being called a "Dublin s******". All three comments are about where the person is from and their origin.

What does it matter where your from anyway!!

Rasheed

Lemlin wrote: »

Have to say I agree. Some of the abuse players get can be ridiculous, particularly about their private lives.

For example, what's the difference between this lad being called a "Chinese b******" and a Cavan player being called a "scabby Cavan C***" or a Dublin player being called a "Dublin s******". All three comments are about where the person is from and their origin.

Ya, I don't really see why a racial comment gets so much attention. I understand it was a desperate thing to say but some GAA players and supporters aren't the most politically correct! Or indeed any supporters of any team.

Harry.c

Rasheed wrote: »

Ya, I don't really see why a racial comment gets so much attention. I understand it was a desperate thing to say but some GAA players and supporters aren't the most politically correct! Or indeed any supporters of any team.

M, hello, Rasheed, because it is a racial comment! simple as that!

Local_Chap

allthedoyles wrote: »

Its not new in the GAA but needs to be highlighted and stamped out if possible - Jason Sherlock would be able to offer him some advice .

Lee is an up-and-coming dual player , and he had a decent game tonight too with the U-21's .

He didnt play did he? He was named to start wing forward but I dont think he actually played. I could be wrong tho

Credit the Wexford County board for taking the matter seriously. Its more than UEFA or FIFA are doing in their sport anyhow. In soccer, you get awarded major tournaments despite of having problems with racism

Rasheed

Harry.c wrote: »

M, hello, Rasheed, because it is a racial comment! simple as that!

Oh I know and I'm not condoning it, the point I'm trying to make is where to draw the line at abuse thrown at players/officials. What makes a racial comment any worse then a comment regarding some ones intellectually disabled sister? Oh as another poster said, calling someone a tight Cnut because they are from Cavan?

Rasheed

Rasheed wrote: »

Oh I know and I'm not condoning it, the point I'm trying to make is where to draw the line at abuse thrown at players/officials. What makes a racial comment any worse then a comment regarding some ones intellectually disabled sister? Oh as another poster said, calling someone a tight Cnut because they are from Cavan?

You have a point. Discrimination can also occur towards different sub cultures within a main culture based on negative stereotypes but perhaps racism is not the correct term for that particular type of discrimination.

calvin_zola

well its disgusting init... Pity there wasnt a garda at the game who could have put it on file

ProudDUB

NakedNNettles wrote: »

F. that! Two tough guys with big mouths like the bullies on the playground.

Name and shame. Let them pay the price now. It will be proper warning to others.

......the media won't be long rooting these hicks out.

Agreed. They SHOULD be named and shamed. There are lots of other bigoted idiots out there who pull this kind of crap all the time. Looking at how the 2 lads in question were treated here, where is there motivation to get their act together & not do similar stuff? Nowhere imo.

By not naming and shaming the 2 lads in question, their reputations within their community remain intact. There are no real consequences of what they have done, other than the 8 week ban. If someone questions why they are not playing (during their ban) they can just put it down to a niggling hamstring injury or work commitments. Anyone else who does this, and gets a similar 8 week ban can do the same thing.

The message really does need to be sent that if players engage in this kind of behaviour, they will be publicly outed for doing so. If they then have to face the consequences of that, too bad. It's their own damm fault !

howiya

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Another thing; if the referee included the abuse in his report, why didn't he take action during the game?

Perhaps he did? The report isn't in the public domain so we don't know whether the referee did take action or not.

Interestingly the only rule in the playing rules that a referee could use to deal with racist abuse is the following;

5.24 To threaten or to use abusive or provocative
language or gestures to an opponent.

PENALTY FOR ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) Free puck from where the foul occurred
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.

So the referee may well have issued yellow cards or he may have just noted it in his report. Given that racism is not even mentioned in the playing rules I do not see how the GAA is treating racism more seriously than other sporting organisations.

calvin_zola

calvin_zola wrote: »

well its disgusting init... Pity there wasnt a garda at the game who could have put it on file

Spot on. These matters should go further then just the GAA jurisdiction. Racism is a criminal offence and heat of the moment on the field just doesn't excuse it.

jordainius

Players should have been named; people will put two and two together based on who doesn't play for Duffy Rovers in the next two months, but what if one of their players is unable to line out due to injury or for some other reason, will the finger be pointed at innocent individuals who were genuinely unable to play? It's not just about "naming and shaming", it's also about eliminating rumour and speculation.

Hammer Archer

howiya wrote: »

Perhaps he did? The report isn't in the public domain so we don't know whether the referee did take action or not.

Interestingly the only rule in the playing rules that a referee could use to deal with racist abuse is the following;

5.24 To threaten or to use abusive or provocative
language or gestures to an opponent.

PENALTY FOR ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) Free puck from where the foul occurred
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.

So the referee may well have issued yellow cards or he may have just noted it in his report. Given that racism is not even mentioned in the playing rules I do not see how the GAA is treating racism more seriously than other sporting organisations.

Fair enough, he possibly did dish out some punishment at the time.
But I've heard some absolutely disgusting verbal abuse to opposition players which had nothing to do with race go unpunished. I've heard stories going around of a player during a clb game making reference to the brother of an opposition player having committed suicide not long before. Personally, I'd hold that as just as serious as racial abuse.
I do think the GAA has to nip this in the bud as there is obviously much more children from families of immigrants participating in the GAA and stuff like this could drive some talented youngsters away from the game. But I think at the same time they shouldn't confine these sorts of bans to racial abuse only. Obviously in game banter is part and parcel of the game, but I think any overtly personal remarks (such as the incident I mentioned earlier) should carry similar bans.

yomtea98

Harry.c wrote: »

Rubbish! The reason I brought this up is the lad was racialy abused, I wasnt talking about how you are playing etc, I,m talking about racism:mad:

I have been called loads of names during games from my markers,supporters.Why just because it is racial abuse is it handled differently?I am not saying they were right,no racial abuse is disgusting,but why because he is chienise is it different

Lemlin

Harry.c wrote: »

What does it matter where your from anyway!!

I agree totally but the point remains the same. Even at matches, I've heard referees take abuse about where they are from.

What's the difference between someone taking abuse about a particular aspect of their own life or where they are from at a match and racial abuse?

It's all abuse that shouldn't go on so I don't see why racism is so serious yet you can shout whatever you like at other players.

Harry.c

ProudDUB wrote: »

Agreed. They SHOULD be named and shamed. There are lots of other bigoted idiots out there who pull this kind of crap all the time. Looking at how the 2 lads in question were treated here, where is there motivation to get their act together & not do similar stuff? Nowhere imo.

By not naming and shaming the 2 lads in question, their reputations within their community remain intact. There are no real consequences of what they have done, other than the 8 week ban. If someone questions why they are not playing (during their ban) they can just put it down to a niggling hamstring injury or work commitments. Anyone else who does this, and gets a similar 8 week ban can do the same thing.

The message really does need to be sent that if players engage in this kind of behaviour, they will be publicly outed for doing so. If they then have to face the consequences of that, too bad. It's their own damm fault !

Agree with you 100 percent, their names should be in the local papers and banned,

Harry.c

Deleted User wrote: »

Spot on. These matters should go further then just the GAA jurisdiction. Racism is a criminal offence and heat of the moment on the field just doesn't excuse it.

Agree, ghould go further and not be swept under the carpet:mad:

Harry.c

yomtea98 wrote: »

I have been called loads of names during games from my markers,supporters.Why just because it is racial abuse is it handled differently?I am not saying they were right,no racial abuse is disgusting,but why because he is chienise is it different

Ok, I take your point and you should have not been abused like that, they have no right to do it to you,
i just have strong feelings against racism, thats all really

Harry.c

Lemlin wrote: »

I agree totally but the point remains the same. Even at matches, I've heard referees take abuse about where they are from.

What's the difference between someone taking abuse about a particular aspect of their own life or where they are from at a match and racial abuse?

It's all abuse that shouldn't go on so I don't see why racism is so serious yet you can shout whatever you like at other players.

I see what your sayin too. people who shout serious abuse at players at matches is wrong too, they need to grow up and cop the hell on that every person has feelings too!:o

Rasheed

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Fair enough, he possibly did dish out some punishment at the time.
But I've heard some absolutely disgusting verbal abuse to opposition players which had nothing to do with race go unpunished. I've heard stories going around of a player during a clb game making reference to the brother of an opposition player having committed suicide not long before. Personally, I'd hold that as just as serious as racial abuse.
I do think the GAA has to nip this in the bud as there is obviously much more children from families of immigrants participating in the GAA and stuff like this could drive some talented youngsters away from the game. But I think at the same time they shouldn't confine these sorts of bans to racial abuse only. Obviously in game banter is part and parcel of the game, but I think any overtly personal remarks (such as the incident I mentioned earlier) should carry similar bans.

Ya I completely agree with you here. Racial abuse is no more serious than the type of abuse you mentioned and that I mentioned earlier and if I'm completely honest, I think it's not as serious. Where do you draw the line? Is calling someone fat alright but calling someone a chink is not?

Harry.c

Its Strange really,

I am from Dublin, living in Wexford, If this sort of thing was highlighted in a Dublin game, it would be talked about here everywhere and the players would be this name and that name and life bans called for, but when it happens here.... different story, I know the wexford board are acting on it and fair play, but I think there needs to be more done!

Harry.c

NakedNNettles wrote: »

F. that! Two tough guys with big mouths like the bullies on the playground.

Name and shame. Let them pay the price now. It will be proper warning to others.

......the media won't be long rooting these hicks out.

Totally agree, Bullies thats all they are, their names should be on the local papers,

celt262

Im sure everyone involved in Wexford GAA know who these lads are.

As for the posters looking for them to be named in papers i wonder have any of you ever called someone something that you shouldn't have?

celt262

celt262 wrote: »

Im sure everyone involved in Wexford GAA know who these lads are.

As for the posters looking for them to be named in papers i wonder have any of you ever called someone something that you shouldn't have?

Thats also a fair point. Perhaps rather then lambasting and ostracizing the players maybe the GAA and GPA should invest the money and time into a diversity training program for every registered player in Ireland over the next few years. Start them off at juvenile.

To be honest im surprised this attitude exists as even a small parish like where im from has considerable diversity this day and age and its great to see.

Hazys

Well done by the GAA, nip it in the bud.

I think naming and shaming is too much tho. A lot people say crazy stuff they don't mean in the heat of the moment. From the report we don't know the extent of the racism. Was it one racial slur or a tirade of abuse?

If it was one racial slur, it could have been a stupid mistake. We all have the racial slurs in our vocabolary but never used them. My buddy made a stupid remark will playing the Xbox while our Nigerian buddy was sitting next to him. My Nigerian buddy brushed it off cos he knows my other buddy is not like that.

Naming and shaming without knowing the full story, could start a witch hunt for the born again neo-nazis from Wexford when that may not be the case. Wexford is a small enough place, its probably well known anyway who it was around the county.

Harry.c

celt262 wrote: »

Im sure everyone involved in Wexford GAA know who these lads are.

As for the posters looking for them to be named in papers i wonder have any of you ever called someone something that you shouldn't have?

yes I have..... but it wasnt Racist!:(

Harry.c

Hazys wrote: »

Well done by the GAA, nip it in the bud.

I think naming and shaming is too much tho. A lot people say crazy stuff they don't mean in the heat of the moment. From the report we don't know the extent of the racism. Was it one racial slur or a tirade of abuse?

If it was one racial slur, it could have been a stupid mistake. We all have the racial slurs in our vocabolary but never used them. My buddy made a stupid remark will playing the Xbox while our Nigerian buddy was sitting next to him. My Nigerian buddy brushed it off cos he knows my other buddy is not like that.

Naming and shaming without knowing the full story, could start a witch hunt for the born again neo-nazis from Wexford when that may not be the case. Wexford is a small enough place, its probably well known anyway who it was around the county.

fair enough points, You and tipp gunner make, though, I think there is a difference in callin someone an asshole e.g, or being Racist towards them!

jordainius

celt262 wrote: »

Im sure everyone involved in Wexford GAA know who these lads are.

As for the posters looking for them to be named in papers i wonder have any of you ever called someone something that you shouldn't have?

It's not just about shaming the individuals, my main concern is that a player who misses Duffy Rovers next game due to injury or work committments for example will definitly be a talking point. You know what people are like; "Yerra your man's not injured at all, he's just saying he's injured to cover up his suspension for racially abusing Lee Chin."

And anyway, just because some people have called someone something they shouldn't have doesn't make it okay, afterall, the reason you say "called someone something that you shouldn't have" is because it's something you shouldn't do.

nlgbbbblth

Someone should post the names of the f*ckers here.