Gangland Crime in Ireland

Halloran springs

I was just thinking...

With all the gangland shootings and murders currently going on in Ireland, is it only a matter of time before someone innocent gets hurt, or worse still killed? Ok I didn't realise but share your gangland stories anyway. I'm not Irish//

My name is URL

Ehh.. it's not 1946. Many innocent people have already been killed as a result of gangland crime

Super-Rush

Uh innocent people have already.

Roy Collins for example.

The young plumber in Dublin.

Burdock

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shane_Geoghegan

To name but one, lots of innocent people
have been killed in gang feuds

Vicar in a tutu

Halloran springs wrote: »

I was just thinking...

With all the gangland shootings and murders currently going on in Ireland, is it only a matter of time before someone innocent gets hurt, or worse still killed?

I was just thinking the same... Thank F@CK it's not happened yet!:eek:

El Guapo!

I was also wondering,.....With all the rain we've had recently, is it only a matter of time before the ground gets wet?

Mr.Crinklewood

Been a while since there were any gangland murders. Hopefully that keeps up.

68Murph68

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Been a while since there were any gangland murders. Hopefully that keeps up.

With the recession, the criminals cant afford the cost of bullets.

IrishAm

Way too late. They have already murdered many an innocent Irish citizen. Scum. My area is destroyed by the pricks. Selling their death. All the kids look up to them. See the lifestyle as cool, like the flash cars and clothes. Arrest the pricks, put them in a chain gang picking up rubbish. Demean the fuck out of them.

I hate them with an unhealthy passion.

Latchy

Halloran springs wrote: »

I was just thinking...

With all the gangland shootings and murders currently going on in Ireland, is it only a matter of time before someone innocent gets hurt, or worse still killed?

Gangland shootings and murders aside ,innocent people get beaten up and murdered all the time .

RonnieLimerick

The HSE is organized crime , they kill sick people ever week . Fianna fail and fine gael are organized crime gangs , they carried out mass deportations and larceny for decades , they bankrupt the country 5 times ,

the street scum are small potatoes .

bc dub

Murder's bad, m'kayy

Doc Ruby

Legalise drugs, send them back to shoplifting.

Jester252

I kinda wish the gangster had some class in Ireland.
These guys just kill anything that moves

Mance Rayder

RonnieLimerick wrote: »

The HSE is organized crime , they kill sick people ever week . Fianna fail and fine gael are organized crime gangs , they carried out mass deportations and larceny for decades , they bankrupt the country 5 times ,

the street scum are small potatoes .

It's not fianna fail party members that hang around outside at night dealing out stabbings and abuse to the decent people who are trying to live here.

It's tribal scumbags.

IrishAm

Jester252 wrote: »

I kinda wish the gangster had some class in Ireland.
These guys just kill anything that moves

They can kill each other. Not one bollix would I give. Its when they start to push their heavily cut brown powder on me younger brother and my community that I start to give a bollix.

They are filth. Each and every last one of them. Parasites. Utter vermin.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Jester252 wrote: »

I kinda wish the gangster had some class in Ireland.
These guys just kill anything that moves

The Italians would say that about the Irish in New York, John Gotti once referred to them as "Fcuking Animals". Where the Mafia had organisational structures and a direct chain of command Irish mobs like the Westies were free for alls with members aimlessly killing on a regular basis and drawing unwanted heat on organised crime in the city. Its the reason why the Irish gangs always remained small time while the Italian families became incredibly powerful and wealthy.

IrishAm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The Italians would say that about the Irish in New York, John Gotti once referred to them as "Fcuking Animals". Where the Mafia had organisational structures and a direct chain of command Irish mobs like the Westies were free for alls with members aimlessly killing on a regular basis and drawing unwanted heat on organised crime in the city. Its the reason why the Irish gangs always remained small time while the Italian families became incredibly powerful and wealthy.

History, bud.

Now, how do I get rid of the drug dealing(heroin) scum that ravage certain parts of west Dublin?

Maybe Michael D can have a chat with them.

Shootouts on the M50, kids being burnt in a car, mothers being shot at their front door, pipebombs under cars.......Ireland has it all.
Talk to Joe......

Boombastic

They should have nearly all shot each other at this stage, or am I being too optimistic?

Jester252

IrishAm wrote: »

History, bud.

Now, how do I get rid of the drug dealing(heroin) scum that ravage certain parts of west Dublin?

Maybe Michael D can have a chat with them.

When you say chat do you mean "chat" ?

Superbus

What I always wonder is, why doesn't everyone else move away from Gangland?

Cork boy 55

They blew up a child in wicklow this morning
Is londonAlan shatter going to get off his hole and do some work

Come to think has shatter brought anything to justice
since appointed in any division.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/five-year-old-injured-by-device-in-co-wicklow-556009.html

Superbus

Superbus wrote: »

What I always wonder is, why doesn't everyone else move away from Gangland?

Because they would have to bring their kids (gangs) with them

paddyandy

The Apathy of the Electorate keeps it down the list with Politicians .

mike65

Halloran springs wrote: »

I was just thinking...

With all the gangland shootings and murders currently going on in Ireland, is it only a matter of time before someone innocent gets hurt, or worse still killed? Ok I didn't realise but share your gangland stories anyway. I'm not Irish//

Things are pretty quiet these days compared to 10-15 years ago when 20-30 people a year were being killed by gangland related violence. That said it does appear that so called pipe bombs are now so common they are hardly reported unless someone gets hurt like the Wicklow boy mentioned in the article above.

stevenmu

I think it's worth noting that the homicide rate in Ireland, which includes gangland murders amongst all other homicides is extremely low. We're one of the best in the world at not killing each other. We're a good bit ahead of the UK, we're 5 times less likely to be murdered than an American and a whopping 100 times less likely than a Honduran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Of course every murder, gangland or not, is terrible and horrific, but at the same time we don't need to buy into the Sunday World bullsh1t that it's only a matter before we're killed in our sleep by a murderous gang of raping drug-dealing paedophiles.

gaffer91

IrishAm wrote: »

They can kill each other. Not one bollix would I give. Its when they start to push their heavily cut brown powder on me younger brother and my community that I start to give a bollix.

They are filth. Each and every last one of them. Parasites. Utter vermin.

You know, I hate the word "drug pusher". People rarely "push" drugs on anyone- people take it of their own free will.

IrishAm wrote: »

History, bud.

Now, how do I get rid of the drug dealing(heroin) scum that ravage certain parts of west Dublin?

Legalising/decriminalising drugs would help a lot.

Cork boy 55

stevenmu wrote: »

I think it's worth noting that the homicide rate in Ireland, which includes gangland murders amongst all other homicides is extremely low. We're one of the best in the world at not killing each other. We're a good bit ahead of the UK, we're 5 times less likely to be murdered than an American and a whopping 100 times less likely than a Honduran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Of course every murder, gangland or not, is terrible and horrific, but at the same time we don't need to buy into the Sunday World bullsh1t that it's only a matter before we're killed in our sleep by a murderous gang of raping drug-dealing paedophiles.

I was reading about honduras muder rate recently


It is quite incredible, the scale of it.

The National Commission for Human Rights has calculated that there is a violent death every 74 minutes in this small nation of about eight million people.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/59984000/gif/_59984408_barchart.gif
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17870673

Monty Burnz

RonnieLimerick wrote: »

The HSE is organized crime , they kill sick people ever week . Fianna fail and fine gael are organized crime gangs , they carried out mass deportations and larceny for decades , they bankrupt the country 5 times ,

the street scum are small potatoes .

May I just say...LOL.

May I just say...LOL.

You certainly may.

hardCopy

IrishAm wrote: »

History, bud.

Now, how do I get rid of the drug dealing(heroin) scum that ravage certain parts of west Dublin?

Maybe Michael D can have a chat with them.

Groups like COCAD seemed have some success with marches on dealers houses back in the day.

Father Damo

Halloran springs wrote: »

Ok I didn't realise but share your gangland stories anyway//

Only if you provide me with silhoutte, baseball cap and make my voice sound like a 15 year old boy whos voice has broken in a very erratic manner.

af_thefragile

Its not the killings that's the problem. Its the drug dealings, stabbing, mugging, theft etc. thats becoming quite a problem.

Unavailable for Comment

Unfortunately, unlike the Gardaí, gangsters haven't had to deal with any real budget cutbacks as yet. It's only going to get worse as the State's resources inevitably dwindle.

Gangland killings should be seen as extrajudicial executions in line with the Offences against the State Act. Using this as a basis the Government could proscribe the gangs in much the same way the IRA or CIRA etc were and make them unlawful organisations. This would give Gardai wide powers to effect investigations and in essence would make even membership of them an offence.

The State has a duty to protect its citizens from danger and if that involves coming down hard on those that flaunt its authority there are not many citizens that would complain.

Boombastic

Unavailable for Comment wrote: »

Unfortunately, unlike the Gardaí, gangsters haven't had to deal with any real budget cutbacks as yet. It's only going to get worse as the State's resources inevitably dwindle.

Gangland killings should be seen as extrajudicial executions in line with the Offences against the State Act. Using this as a basis the Government could proscribe the gangs in much the same way the IRA or CIRA etc were and make them unlawful organisations. This would give Gardai wide powers to effect investigations and in essence would make even membership of them an offence.

The State has a duty to protect its citizens from danger and if that involves coming down hard on those that flaunt its authority there are not many citizens that would complain.

Or we could decriminalise the shooting of gangs & their members:cool:

shanered

they make their money of drugs, we should adopt a portugese model of drug decriminisation.
Take the money out of their trade!
And tax the pants of drugs, hopefully put some euros into the revenue, sure the government are not quite that bad at playing the gangster anyways I do believe!

Unavailable for Comment

shanered wrote: »

they make their money of drugs, we should adopt a portugese model of drug decriminisation.
Take the money out of their trade!
And tax the pants of drugs, hopefully put some euros into the revenue, sure the government are not quite that bad at playing the gangster anyways I do believe!

Petrol, diesel and cigarettes are all perfectly legal and yet the smuggling and counterfeiting of all of them are huge revenue sources for Irish gangs.

Anyway even if the State was the sole supplier of drugs in Ireland, which would never happen, I wouldn't feel any better being robbed by a junkie to pay them instead of some dealer scumbag.

gaffer91

af_thefragile wrote: »

Its not the killings that's the problem. Its the drug dealings, stabbing, mugging, theft etc. thats becoming quite a problem.

Why do people think the killings aren't a problem? Ok, these guys are thugs but surely it would be better if they weren't reduced to the drugs trade and killing each other to try and make living in the first place.

As for the muggings and theft, these would drop substantially if drugs were legal as they would be so much more affordable.

Boombastic wrote: »

Or we could decriminalise the shooting of gangs & their members:cool:

Good man.

Unavailable for Comment wrote: »

Petrol, diesel and cigarettes are all perfectly legal and yet the smuggling and counterfeiting of all of them are huge revenue sources for Irish gangs.

Anyway even if the State was the sole supplier of drugs in Ireland, which would never happen, I wouldn't feel any better being robbed by a junkie to pay them instead of some dealer scumbag.

Diesel and cigarettes are smuggled because the tax is too high. A closer parallel would be alcohol- despite the high taxes on alcohol, how many people go buying methanol off a dealer? Drugs would be safer and cheaper, with none of the associated killings or incarceration, with more revenue and jobs.

As stated above, legalisation would result in a massive price drop so muggings etc would drop substantially. If people weren't virtually criminalised for being a drug addict by the media and society they would be more likely to seek help to treat their addiction. Also don't make the mistake of equating every drug user with a drug abuser.

af_thefragile

Because killings are still pretty rare in Ireland compared to other countries. And when it comes to mugging, stabbing, stealing, its the innovent people whom this happens to making the streets unsafe in the city. I'ld like to live somewhere i can walk around freely at night (or day) and not get hassled by junkies or worry about getting mugged by thugs... Unfortunately most places in Dublin aren't such places.

Father Damo

Unavailable for Comment wrote: »

Petrol, diesel and cigarettes are all perfectly legal and yet the smuggling and counterfeiting of all of them are huge revenue sources for Irish gangs.

Anyway even if the State was the sole supplier of drugs in Ireland, which would never happen, I wouldn't feel any better being robbed by a junkie to pay them instead of some dealer scumbag.

I never get this whole "legalise it to take it away from the gangs" rubbish. I have serious doubts that chemists would associate themselves with the sale of purely recreational durgs such as cocaine or ecstasy.

This means the licence to sell said drugs would, IMO, be given to the same mob who already have a licence to sell our most popular legal drug.

So why is it better to remove 3 euro yokes bought from a dealer who got supplied by Fat Freddie and instead pay 20 quid each to buy them off some wanker who has been selling beer in Fitzsimons or wherever at a ridiculous mark up for years? Id rather fund the gangs than the Charlie Chawkes of his world tbh.

gaffer91

Father Damo wrote: »

I never get this whole "legalise it to take it away from the gangs" rubbish. I have serious doubts that chemists would associate themselves with the sale of purely recreational durgs such as cocaine or ecstasy.

This means the licence to sell said drugs would, IMO, be given to the same mob who already have a licence to sell our most popular legal drug.

So why is it better to remove 3 euro yokes bought from a dealer who got supplied by Fat Freddie and instead pay 20 quid each to buy them off some wanker who has been selling beer in Fitzsimons or wherever at a ridiculous mark up for years? Id rather fund the gangs than the Charlie Chawkes of his world tbh.

Why does it have to be a chemist who sells MDMA? It could just as easily be sold like alcohol is sold in pub, in a licenced premises where the seller might not know the ins and outs of exactly how the drug works on the body, but is aware of its general affects.

People who would move into selling drugs in coffee shop/pub like establishments would be just your average small business entrepreneur. Minimum standards of safety would have to be met- MDMA wouldn't be cut with amphetamines, cocaine wouldn't be cut with baby powder etc making them safer and ensuring the consumer knows what he's buying. They would also be required to rent the premises and pay VAT, thus generating income. Competitors wouldn't be killing each other over the control of supply to the public. Money wouldn't be wasted incarcerating people who supply the drugs.

You also forget that legalisation would result in a decrease in price, even if taxes were put on.

af_thefragile

I wouldn't take alcohol to be a good example for legalizing drugs. If it wasn't "part of the culture" it would have long been illegal. Almost everyone consumes alcohol fairly regularly, many abuse it and many are addicted ro it. It destroys families, relationships, jobs etc.
Image if cocaine or heroin was legal and just as many people did it as they drink booze? Infact when inhaled heroin is far less dangerous substance than alcohol. People know alcohol is a dangerous substance and still do it. Why do you think people won't be doing cocaine or heroin if it was legal, cheap, "safe", readily available with no associated stigma??

Unavailable for Comment

gaffer91 wrote: »

Diesel and cigarettes are smuggled because the tax is too high. A closer parallel would be alcohol- despite the high taxes on alcohol, how many people go buying methanol off a dealer?

I'd say a better example would be counterfeit alcohol. 2011 was the worst year for seizures by customs of counterfeit alcohol so far meaning its use is obviously on the rise. People will take any risks up to and including ingesting methanol to save a few quid.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Drugs would be safer and cheaper, with none of the associated killings or incarceration, with more revenue and jobs.

The gangs would simply undercut the State as they do at the moment with every other taxable luxury and there would be no real shift away. In fact it could be argued that by squeezing the market the State would simply make the gangs more vicious as they scramble for market share.

gaffer91 wrote: »

As stated above, legalisation would result in a massive price drop so muggings etc would drop substantially. If people weren't virtually criminalised for being a drug addict by the media and society they would be more likely to seek help to treat their addiction. Also don't make the mistake of equating every drug user with a drug abuser.

The gangs wouldn't give up though. In the best case scenario they'd see the State as purely monetary competition. In the worst case scenario they'd see it as a rival to be dealt with as any other rival would be. Do you really assume that no gang would bomb a competing chemist or murder State lab workers if their business was being interfered with? Sorry I think you believe those scum have far more morality than they've displayed up until now.

I fully understand the difference between an drug addict and an drug abuser. Frankly it's none of my business what people do in the privacy of their own homes. It's the fact that gangsters keep shoving their business into innocent citizen's homes that bothers me.

gaffer91

af_thefragile wrote: »

I wouldn't take alcohol to be a good example for legalizing drugs. If it wasn't "part of the culture" it would have long been illegal. Almost everyone consumes alcohol fairly regularly, many abuse it and many are addicted ro it. It destroys families, relationships, jobs etc.

So let me get this straight- you think alcohol would be better off illegal? Sure there are problems with alcoholism but having it legal is far better than the alternative of prohibition. Need I remind you what a disaster that was in the USA? The was on drugs is pretty much an exact analogy. Within reason, do you think people should be allowed consume potentially harmful substances?

af_thefragile wrote: »

Image if cocaine or heroin was legal and just as many people did it as they drink booze? Infact when inhaled heroin is far less dangerous substance than alcohol. People know alcohol is a dangerous substance and still do it. Why do you think people won't be doing cocaine or heroin if it was legal, cheap, "safe", readily available with no associated stigma??

Not to underestimate the harm of these drugs but they would still be better off being legal. Pure heroin would be much less harmful in its "pure" as opposed to its street form.

According to a suppressed 1995 WHO report stated that that "occasional cocaine use does not typically lead to severe or even minor physical or social problems". Have a look here.

gaffer91

Unavailable for Comment wrote: »

I'd say a better example would be counterfeit alcohol. 2011 was the worst year for seizures by customs of counterfeit alcohol so far meaning its use is obviously on the rise. People will take any risks up to and including ingesting methanol to save a few quid.

Oh come on. As a percentage of alcohol consumed, how much of it was counterfeit?I'd say a practically negligible amount.

Unavailable for Comment wrote: »

The gangs would simply undercut the State as they do at the moment with every other taxable luxury and there would be no real shift away. In fact it could be argued that by squeezing the market the State would simply make the gangs more vicious as they scramble for market share.

It wouldn't be worth their while, unless the state placed crazy taxes on drugs, because the insane profit margins would no longer exist.

Even if they did place crazy taxes on drugs, lots of people would still be more likely to buy from a safer, more accessible seller.

Unavailable for Comment wrote: »

The gangs wouldn't give up though. In the best case scenario they'd see the State as purely monetary competition. In the worst case scenario they'd see it as a rival to be dealt with as any other rival would be. Do you really assume that no gang would bomb a competing chemist or murder State lab workers if their business was being interfered with? Sorry I think you believe those scum have far more morality than they've displayed up until now.

Gangs probably wouldn't give up crime, but they would give up drug dealing. How many people continued to buy from bootleggers after the repeal of prohibition? Gangs simply turned towards other illegal sources of revenue.

Garda protection could easily be given in the early period of legalised drugs to ensure the safety of the premises if it was a big concern.

Unavailable for Comment wrote: »

I fully understand the difference between an drug addict and an drug abuser. Frankly it's none of my business what people do in the privacy of their own homes. It's the fact that gangsters keep shoving their business into innocent citizen's homes that bothers me.

So why do you want to continue the failed policy of drug prohibiton? And how do gangsters shove their business into innocent people's homes? Virtually everyone who takes drugs takes them willingly. Murders of innocent bystanders in cases of mistaken identity and so on are obviously a huge problems but these could be drastically cut down on by legalisation.

ScumLord

af_thefragile wrote: »

I wouldn't take alcohol to be a good example for legalizing drugs. If it wasn't "part of the culture" it would have long been illegal.

It's part of European culture. You have to remember many Europeans drank alcohol over water due to contaminated water and ignorance. Irish people have bought into the drinking legend more and more of late.

Unavailable for Comment wrote: »

The gangs would simply undercut the State as they do at the moment with every other taxable luxury and there would be no real shift away. In fact it could be argued that by squeezing the market the State would simply make the gangs more vicious as they scramble for market share.

They simply couldn't compete with legal industrialised grows. Factory setups can massively reduce the cost of production and criminal gangs in converted houses couldn't compete. There's also the quality issue, in every place cannabis is popular and somewhat legal a connoisseur market pops up with people treating it like fine wine.

af_thefragile

Alcohol is a known dangerous substance and again if it wasn't "part of our culture" it would be on the list of illegal substances. The only reason probation doesn't work is because alcohol consumtion is very deeply embedded in our culture and for probation to work, people's mindset regarding alcohol consumption needs to change first. Many countries in middle east where alcohol is not embedded in their culture, its an illegal substance and they do fine. You will always get the few who will go to lenghys to find their booze but its better that a few handful consume a harmful substance than the whole nation widely consumes it.

In some cultures weed is part of it and you'll find most people in these cultures smoke weed. Making weed illegal wouldn't work there.

Thankfully cocaine, heroin, ecstasy etc aren't part of our culture which is why not everyone feels compelled to go to lenghts to buy these substances. Again nothing in small occasional use is harmful. You could also get away with occasionally sipping methanol or paint thinner or anything. Whats dangerous is the addictive nature of these substances. Heroin is a horrible drug and completely destroys the persons life as its very addictive. Cocaine and other stimulants aren't as addictive but if taken regularly like people drink booze, they're gonna have severe consequences. Again you'ld rather have a handful of people cobsuming these substances and gerting addicted to them than have a whole nation regularly consume these substances and getting addicted to it and developing all the long term medical problems of their use, raising the hse costs and all apart from destroying families, jobs, relationships etc.

shanered

How would you think buying a standardised "safer" product bought from the government would be in any way similar to buying a product of a scumbag junkie dealer that was made in dodgy conditions and can have some much more toxic additives then the purer product produced by a then legalised manufacturer.
I'm sure chemists would follow the money and would have no problem producing drugs, I'm also sure there is many recreational drug using chemists that where almost inspired into the trade due to their love of syntetic drugs.
I even know one for example!
I would much prefer my money to be going towards the public purse rather then lining fat freddie's pockets! And I think your being silly saying that you wouldn't.

ScumLord

af_thefragile wrote: »

Alcohol is a known dangerous substance and again if it wasn't "part of our culture" it would be on the list of illegal substances. The only reason probation doesn't work is because alcohol consumtion is very deeply embedded in our culture and for probation to work, people's mindset regarding alcohol consumption needs to change first. Many countries in middle east where alcohol is not embedded in their culture, its an illegal substance and they do fine. You will always get the few who will go to lenghys to find their booze but its better that a few handful consume a harmful substance than the whole nation widely consumes it.

There's a lot of thing illegal in those countries and I think any one of us wouldn't be prepared to live there even if we didn't drink alcohol.

Mance Rayder

af_thefragile wrote: »

Thankfully cocaine, heroin, ecstasy etc aren't part of our culture which is why not everyone feels compelled to go to lenghts to buy these substances.

Unfortunately your wrong here, and that's the problem we have in Ireland. there is a STRONG culture of heroin, ecstasy, hash and coke here.