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thomond2006

Sorry Ronan for doubting you.

What a great impact you made!

Fishooks12

Aye. For all the stick he's gotten lately (most of it deserved). He was brilliant tonight

Himself and Sexton linking up really got us on the front foot

P_1

I may be in the minority I've always liked but the tactical sub of Rog for the 12 and moving Sexton out to 12 on 60 mins.

Strikes me as a great way of closing out games and is a good short term solution to our problems at 12.

wp_rathead

really thomond? a whole thread?

imo he shouldn't even be on the tour, but he played very well when he came on- can't deny that

justsomebloke

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eyescreamcone

wprathead wrote: »

really thomond? a whole thread?

imo he shouldn't even be on the tour, but he played very well when he came on- can't deny that

If he played well, as you say, why shouldn't he have been on the tour???

bossa_nova

pithater1 wrote: »

I may be in the minority I've always liked but the tactical sub of Rog for the 12 and moving Sexton out to 12 on 60 mins.

Strikes me as a great way of closing out games and is a good short term solution to our problems at 12.

Who knows kidney might be thinking of a future of sexton at 12 and Madigan at 10, and hes just getting sexton used to it now :P

Fishooks12

He shouldn't be on the tour, but he is, and he was very good tonight

Cpt_Blackbeard

He was brilliant when he came on. I think everyone left out a despairing sigh when he was introduced, but it worked brilliantly. His distribution was fantastic and he ran the line superbly. If D'Arcy didn't get that injury, we wouldn't have been a last-gasp dropgoal away from the draw.

Teferi

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

If D'Arcy didn't get that injury, we wouldn't have been a last-gasp dropgoal away from the draw.

Well that is literally impossible to state as fact as you don't know what would have happened.

Teferi

I would have preferred McFadden to move inside and Zebo to come on the wing but fair play ROG, you shut me up.

wp_rathead

eyescreamcone wrote: »

If he played well, as you say, why shouldn't he have been on the tour???

Because there was no indication he had this performance in him

O'Gara had poor season and didn't warrant a call up in front of a young player who was top try scorer in Rabo in the hope that ROG could refind form

He played very well today- but I still don't believe he should have been brought in the first place

Cpt_Blackbeard

Teferi wrote: »

Well that is literally impossible to state as fact as you don't know what would have happened.

There is obviously a smidgen of hyperbole, but ROG's introduction was the turning point in our reversing of the tide.

Madigan should have toured, but that performance was fantastic to see from a Munster perspective. We all thought he was over the hill but, he has proved that you don't need a great running game provided your distribution and kicking are top notch.

Clegg

ROG made an impact when he came on and linked up very well with Sexton imo. I was surprised at that actually.

Sexton had a decent game at 10 and 12. Its encouraging to see.

Fishooks12

Question to the Leinster fans. Would you be in anyway perturbed to see Sexton at 12 next season with Madigan at 10?

I know vice versa is probably more likely but I think it could work

jacothelad

It was the performances of the likes of SOB, Best, Ryan, Heaslip, Healy which allowed our backs to play with pace and freedom.

mr_edge_to_you

Form is temporary, class is permanent.

I for one will miss him whenever he retires.

That is all.

Fishooks12

jacothelad wrote: »

It was the performances of the likes of SOB, Best, Ryan, Heaslip, Healy which allowed our backs to play with pace and freedom.

True. but he played flatter than I've seen him do in years and definitely made a big impact linking up with Sexton when he came on. Can you deny that?

P_1

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Question to the Leinster fans. Would you be in anyway perturbed to see Sexton at 12 next season with Madigan at 10?

I know vice versa is probably more likely but I think it could work

Not starting but could be interesting to see how it happens after 60 minutes, of course you could argue that Leinster have a better stock of 12's than the national team at present.

TheKeenMachine

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Question to the Leinster fans. Would you be in anyway perturbed to see Sexton at 12 next season with Madigan at 10?

I know vice versa is probably more likely but I think it could work

I'd actually be delighted to see this. Not sure if Jonny would though, didn't look too happy when ROG came on tonight.

matthew8

Sexton and Madigan 10-12 could work but I wouldn't be too keen to move Sexton, who has shown today he is up there with Carter at OH, out of his position. It's not like he has trouble making runs at 10.

eyescreamcone

Should ROG have taken the long pen at the end??
He was fresher than JS at this point

Teferi

Sexton does a job at 12 but is a natural 10.

Same as Earls really. Happy to see them there if needs be but prefer them in their best positions.

Cpt_Blackbeard

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Question to the Leinster fans. Would you be in anyway perturbed to see Sexton at 12 next season with Madigan at 10?

I know vice versa is probably more likely but I think it could work

Its what I see Leinster leaning towards going forward. Madigan is too good to be on the bench and too small for the centre. Leinster are beginning to look light in the centres going forward. Their best chance is to continually choose between three of Sexton, Madigan, EOM and BOD. Any combination of the four at 10-12-13 would be a great option.

eyescreamcone

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Should ROG have taken the long pen at the end??
He was fresher than JS at this point

he can't kick from half way anymore, even at the start of a game.

fitz

I think ROGs impact on today's game is being overstated, because we were all expecting him to be his recent self.

He didn't do anything spectacular, but slotted in well to a backline being given a platform by our pack.

Personally, I'd prefer if we left our best 10 in position and upped the pace by changing the scrum half...it's the most obvious way to inject fresh pace into the team, but Kidney rarely does it.

mr_edge_to_you

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Should ROG have taken the long pen at the end??
He was fresher than JS at this point

I don't know. Was far too short by Sexton and if he didn't feel he had the range he should've consulted ROG or perhaps go to the corner.

Kace Inexpensive Rodeo wrote: »

he can't kick from half way anymore, even at the start of a game.

Completely disagree. RoG thrives on those situations and to this day I still back him every time he kicks a rugby ball. To me that element of his game has never ever been in doubt.

Benny Cake

Classy performance from ROG, brought the outside backs into the game... Still has something to offer but no doubt his powers are waning...

Podge_irl

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

Completely disagree. RoG thrives on those situations and to this day I still back him every time he kicks a rugby ball. To me that element of his game has never ever been in doubt.

He can thrive on them all he wants, but he doesn't have the range to kick the ball over from half way anymore without a healthy wind behind him.


I didn't come to my current opinion ROG on the back of one game, and I won't change it on the back of one, but it was excellent to see him play well. Fair play.

Quint2010

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Question to the Leinster fans. Would you be in anyway perturbed to see Sexton at 12 next season with Madigan at 10?

I know vice versa is probably more likely but I think it could work

ROG played well when he came on. No doubt. But if D'Arcy is fit I think he will start next week. But ROG has showed he still has something to offer.

eyescreamcone

Sexton was 8-10m short
Would ROG have done better or should they have gone to the corner.

This was a huge call

Fishooks12

Quint2010 wrote: »

ROG played well when he came on. No doubt. But if D'Arcy is fit I think he will start next week. But ROG has showed he still has something to offer.

Oh I agree, wasn't in anyway suggesting ROG start next week

Fishooks12

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Sexton was 8-10m short
Would ROG have done better or should they have gone to the corner.

This was a huge call

ROG wouldn't have done better. Carter was short with a near identical kick in the first half and they both have a bigger both than ROG

clsmooth

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Should ROG have taken the long pen at the end??
He was fresher than JS at this point

Deleted User wrote: »

he can't kick from half way anymore, even at the start of a game.

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

I don't know. Was far too short by Sexton and if he didn't feel he had the range he should've consulted ROG or perhaps go to the corner.



Completely disagree. RoG thrives on those situations and to this day I still back him every time he kicks a rugby ball. To me that element of his game has never ever been in doubt.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Sexton was 8-10m short
Would ROG have done better or should they have gone to the corner.

This was a huge call

Was a long kick. Carter fell short from the same position, but it was worth a crack. If they had kicked to the corner and lost the line out we'd all be going mad here!

DDC1990

Fishooks12 wrote: »

ROG wouldn't have done better. Carter was short with a near identical kick in the first half and they both have a bigger both than ROG

I've seen ROG kick them, however it would have been madness to take Sexton off the kick.

He was 5 from 5.

ROG hadn't kicked yet.

Delighted he had such an impact, and so disappointed he didn't get to be on the winning side.

twinytwo

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Sexton was 8-10m short
Would ROG have done better or should they have gone to the corner.

This was a huge call

no way i would have let rog take that last peno... he dosent have the range anymore... he might get one of those every one in 10 now

Quint2010

Didn't the same scenario happen in the 6N against Wales. We got a penalty around the half way after one of their men was binned. Could have gone for the corner. We missed.

clsmooth

Quint2010 wrote: »

Didn't the same scenario happen in the 6N against Wales. We got a penalty around the half way after one of their men was binned. Could have gone for the corner. We missed.

Yep, but different circumstances-I'm pretty sure we were already in the lead at that stage vs Wales

Monty Burnz

I'd love to see what a talented unknown quantity like Madigan could have done to the tiring Kiwis in the last 20...

Cpt_Blackbeard

Quint2010 wrote: »

Didn't the same scenario happen in the 6N against Wales. We got a penalty around the half way after one of their men was binned. Could have gone for the corner. We missed.

What I gathered was that BOD made the call to go for the corner. Sexton then appeared to look at him in disbelief and BOD asked the ref about kicking to the corner. It was already signaled that we were going for the posts, so we had to take the punt. Poor communication between captain and kicker. Kearney would have been the best bet to take the kick.

Tox56

We ended up with a lineout around the 22 anyway, and we gave away a penalty from it.

Gelio

Much credit must be given to Reddan too, he really took the pace of the game to a new level when he came on.

roycon

in fairness to ogara(i say a lot of negative things about him) - hes the best outhalf in the world in miserable wet and windy conditions.

.ak

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Question to the Leinster fans. Would you be in anyway perturbed to see Sexton at 12 next season with Madigan at 10?

I know vice versa is probably more likely but I think it could work

No. Because I'd rather see our emerging 12s given a few starts to boost their experience - Macken, O'Shea etc. I'd also have Ferg in ahead of 12 rather than Sexton as it suits our style of play - we've always had a fairly stout if a bit slow midfield, Ferg suits this profile a tad more than Sexton. Sexton has the xfactor and would probably look good in most positions, but he's wasted at 12 when he's not pulling the strings.

danthefan

Imo the team was still weaker with him on the field than off but he certainly did alright, his best outing for Ireland for a long long time.

.ak

In fairness he always plays well with a decent backrow protecting him. He looked a little flash today because he was behind a stellar pack - and POM really lit things up when he came on also. Put him behind a backrow that's having issues and he'd have a different game.

I thought he played well today - but that's just about all I'd say. He wasn't 'brilliant' imo, but that's just my opinion I guess. I thought he did well to fire the ball flat on the line when we needed to push up, but he doesn't have the same ability to pull the strike runners strings like Sexton has.. and imo, Sexton wasn't great either. But that's a different debate for another day - he isn't given the opportunity to play to his strengths in the Irish setup, something he's alluded to before.

4PP

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jacothelad

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Should ROG have taken the long pen at the end??
He was fresher than JS at this point

ROG's kicking has lost a fair bit of distance over the last year or year and a half. Irrespective of the great cameo that went well today, his future for Ireland is going to be a short one. His input over the last two years has been patchy to be generous. One or maybe two of Madigan, Hanrahan, Jackson, McKinney, Olding and whoever else is around as a 10 are going to need to get into the Irish set up sooner rather than later.

phog

jacothelad wrote: »

ROG's kicking has lost a fair bit of distance over the last year or year and a half. Irrespective of the great cameo that went well today, his future for Ireland is going to be a short one. His input over the last two years has been patchy to be generous. One or maybe two of Madigan, Hanrahan, Jackson, McKinney, Olding and whoever else is around as a 10 are going to need to get into the Irish set up sooner rather than later.

I'd agree but today and possibly up the 6Ns of next year ROG was/is the only player that I'd have as cover for outhalf.

19543261

phog wrote: »

I'd agree but today and possibly up the 6Ns of next year ROG was/is the only player that I'd have as cover for outhalf.

But do you think that having him around for backup outweighs the benifits of starting someone else's development earlier, and who poentialy will be with us going into the future. I dont think he's crucial enough to take the place of some youth that we will need soon enough anyway.

Podge_irl

phog wrote: »

I'd agree but today and possibly up the 6Ns of next year ROG was/is the only player that I'd have as cover for outhalf.

He did well today, but it stood out all the more because his recent performances haven't been great.

Jackson and Madigan will have a lot more gametime behind them come the next 6N and one would hope at least one of them will have some international game time in the AIs. I just don't really see the point of having him there.