Are People forgetting about Sega and Nintendo

richymcdermott

with the new generation of gamers who wouldnt know about nintendo or sega rivalry back in the day i have noticed people dismissing these two companies for sony and microsoft. granted sega have being out of the console business for 11 years but it seems the nintendo way and sega way is being dismissed by i can only describe and the new mainstream gaming. for an example my sister and few of my close friends who when they see me play a nintendo game they say:

1. it looks kiddy
2. not as good as past games or
3. i rather play call of duty or they have grown up and cant play those games anymore cause they arent mature games.

when it comes to sega people say sega are **** now or dont even acknowledge any of their titles except sonic.

i think its a very worrying thing ,to me atleast going down this narrow path where movie like experienced games are over shadowing the two veteran companies who have being pumping out some of the best titles and both who have done wonders to make console gaming the way it has being up to this point. i have nothing against sony or microsoft but one couldnt exsist without nintendo and the other couldnt exsist without sega in the gaming hardware business.

i have being more of a sega fan than nintendo but i appericate both equal cause they have being doing the same things they have being doing since the beginning , sega stays true to its arcade feel while nintendo makes experiences and wow fun factor. with sony and microsoft i cant help but feel they are going for the movie like experience where its cut scene over gameplay.

i end it by saying this , its really sad to see people say sega should just close down or nintendo should stop making consoles cause despite everything these two Japanese giants have had and still have a important part in this industry and i don't think its right to criticize them for everything they have done and bringing smiles to millions of peoples faces.

Nollog

'Tis a new generation.

Magill

lol, What are you on about ?

Mr E

I stopped about line 4. Paragraphs, please.

Mr.Saturn

I can see a case for Sega becoming increasingly irrelevant among a newer generation, but Nintendo essentially ran away with this era, at least financially, with the Wii selling 30 million more units than its closest competitor globally (360), and the DS coming in at over double the sales of the PSP.

Now assuming the auld "gamer" maxim that "Nintendo only make games for children", I'll vouch for the fact that there'll another generation popping up, and another generation popping up et al, that'll have been raised on good, AAA Nintendo games, and as a consequence, will demand similar games, a niche none other than Nintendo can only fill. They'll be fine.

Unless, of course, they release a 32X and a CD add-on in quick succession, then as rapidly drop support for both in favour of a new console, which they rush to market, screwing retailers and developers not having had time to acquaint themselves with the system tech.

richymcdermott

Sorry lads , dont know what i was thinking :pac:

Funglegunk

richymcdermott wrote: »

Sorry lads , dont know what i was thinking :pac:

Lay off the booze Richy.

johnwest288

What about the Commodore ! :cool:

CastorTroy

johnwest288 wrote: »

What about the Commodore ! :cool:

Pffft. Spectrum was better.

Opinicus

CastorTroy wrote: »

Pffft. Spectrum was better.

Nah man, Atari Jaguar all the way.

Skerries

Abacus ftw!

johnny_ultimate

Nowadays everybody wants to talk like they have got something to say. But nothing, nada, comes out when they move their lips. It's just a bunch of gibberish! So I ask you: where are the mother****ers at? They forgot about Sega.

Crooked Jack

Mr Saturn makes a fair point in post 5 but I'd go even further and say rather than gamers abandoning nintendo, nintendo abandoned gamers. At least, their traditional support base. Now I know nintendo is not my friend, it is a big company and its goal is to make money and they have done that with the Wii, but as someone who grew up with a SNES, N64 and Gamecube I feel betrayed by the Wii.
I never saw nintendo as 'kiddyish,' different, original and refreshing certainly but not kiddyish because regardless of how games looked they were always fun, brilliantly crafted and value for money.
With the Wii what you have is a deluge of third party pick-up-and-play knock offs that get boring after 10 minutes.
I know that's not nintendos fault, I know there are a number of real gems on the Wii, but by and large I feel like nintendo said "fuck you, were gonna hang out with these assholes who have loads of money and like Wii Sports."
Childish and stupid I know but I cant help it.
I have an XBox now and while it too has some gems (portal, de blob) it's littered with FPS clones and I often find myself longing for a Mario or Zelda.

PS - Im fully aware of what a loser I am, I have learned to accept it

CastorTroy

I remember asking my brother what games he wanted for Christmas since he had a 360. So he told me something similar to Mario. After much searching(as in looking at the list of 360 games on wiki) the only retail game I could find was Banjo and Kazooie as the only platformer. This was before Rayman Origins

super_furry

To be honest I'm doing my best to forget about Sega. Aside from Valkyeria Chronicles and Vanquish at a push, they've done little worth bothering about this generation.

Crooked Jack

super_furry wrote: »

To be honest I'm doing my best to forget about Sega. Aside from Valkyeria Chronicles and Vanquish at a push, they've done little worth bothering about this generation.

Bayonetta? it was fuckin awesome

o1s1n

Even if you think they haven't done much in this current gen, they still have a massive back catalog of amazing games which can still be played. I somehow doubt you've played them all!

hooradiation

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Now I know nintendo is not my friend, it is a big company and its goal is to make money

Um...I hate to break it to you, but that's the goal of every company. From that point of view Nintendo have never been your friend.

johnny_ultimate

Me and Shigeru go way back, yo.

richymcdermott

super_furry wrote: »

To be honest I'm doing my best to forget about Sega. Aside from Valkyeria Chronicles and Vanquish at a push, they've done little worth bothering about this generation.

if we were back in 2003-2008 i would agree with you but since then sega has redeemed there selves and a rapidly improving

this gen im not counting their games they published have brought out

House of the Dead 4 and House of the dead overkill
Sonic Colours , Sonic 4 episode 1 and 2 and sonic generations
Yakuza 3,4 and dead souls
Valkyria chronicles 1 and 2
Sega rally
Total war series
Spiral Knights
Football Manager
Rhythm theif and the emperor treasure
porting over a remastered version of JSR and talks of shenmue and skies of arcadia.
Nights Journey of dreams ( despite its bashing by critic one of my favourite games this gen )
sonic and sega all star racing series
bringing over wonder boy games , alex kidd and monster world 4
Binary Domain
Shinobi 3ds
Phantasy Star online 2 and Phantasy star portable 1 and 2
Etc..
all fantastic titles sega have up in the past 4 years , they are doing just as much if not more than other companies this gen , but hey im a sega fanboy so prob you think all these titles are **** :P

al28283

Opinicus wrote: »

Nah man, Atari Jaguar all the way.

most polls would agree with you

Mr E

Looks like people want to talk about this, so I formatted the OP. Sorry Richy.

richymcdermott

Mr E wrote: »

Looks like people want to talk about this, so I formatted the OP. Sorry Richy.

No worries rather see this post terminated at this point since seemed bit weird to post , my fanboy heart got the best of me :pac:

Zero-Cool

I always enjoyed the rivalry between Sonic and Mario. Sickening to see they are in the same games these days.

Soooooooo Sonic or Mario?

Crooked Jack

hooradiation wrote: »

Um...I hate to break it to you, but that's the goal of every company. From that point of view Nintendo have never been your friend.

....... I know. That's exactly what I say in my post

SdoowSirhc

That Sega collection game yokey on PS2 eyetoy was sooooooooo good until I scratched the disc :rolleyes: Sonic heroes was really fun too.
Other than that Sonic kart racing game I don't think I've played and a sega game on xbox 360.

hooradiation

Crooked Jack wrote: »

....... I know. That's exactly what I say in my post

If you know that, then how can you possibly feel "betrayed"?

gizmo

People also think the Wii has "no games". Say what you want about the power of the console or the reliance on motion control but that statement in itself is ****ing dumb so it doesn't really surprise me if those same people are forgetting about Nintendo.

As for SEGA, they've been responsible for two of my fave games this generation, Vanquish and Bayonetta, as well as a bunch of other ones I've enjoyed the hell out of such as Condemned, Mad World and Binary Domain. They're also publishing Ron Gilbert / Double Fine's new game, The Cave as well as (hopefully in EU/US) Anarchy Reigns, Hell Yeah! and Aliens:Colonial Marines. So yea, anyone who says they should just close down can go and **** themselves to be honest.

johnny_ultimate

The problem with Sega is that they aren't as good a developer as they once were. As good as Platinum's output are, Sega are merely the publishers for a third-party studio. And while there has been good first party Sega output - such as Yakuza (and despite the enjoyability of those games, there is a slight reek of cheap money-making franchise there, hopefully rectified by the next entry), Rhythm Thief etc... - they are without a doubt no longer the creative force they once were.

Nintendo, on the other hand, have made a few 'false' steps quality wise, but increasingly few commercially. They've been responsible for several of the most inventive, ambitious and enjoyable games of the last decade, and with recent titles like Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword, Kid Icarus etc... they show no sign of stopping.

richymcdermott

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

The problem with Sega is that they aren't as good a developer as they once were. As good as Platinum's output are, Sega are merely the publishers for a third-party studio. And while there has been good first party Sega output - such as Yakuza (and despite the enjoyability of those games, there is a slight reek of cheap money-making franchise there, hopefully rectified by the next entry), Rhythm Thief etc... - they are without a doubt no longer the creative force they once were.

Nintendo, on the other hand, have made a few 'false' steps quality wise, but increasingly few commercially. They've been responsible for several of the most inventive, ambitious and enjoyable games of the last decade, and with recent titles like Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword, Kid Icarus etc... they show no sign of stopping.

Sega first party studios still make great games , that being said i agree they are not what they once where but thats cause i believe when they were console manufacture they had to create great games , but now they dont have create much and just publish games but the list i made above are number of fantastic titles that show they are still revelent , after when simon jeffery left and soon michael hayes sega are driving forward to make the sega name mean something again. Thing is its hard for sega to get back to old titles cause they were on dying systems .. Im thinking thats why when jsr comes out if it sells well there might be new addition in the series, even great to see vitua fighter 5 surpassing sega ambition in japan alone in one week , judging by psn its near 1000 players from people who rated the game.

Vyse

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

The problem with Sega is that they aren't as good a developer as they once were.

Fully agree with this (posted something similar in the Sega forum). For me their decline as a developer coincided with their demise in the console business. Still love them but their output just isn't up to their standard of old (with the exception of Valkyria Chronicles which I love).

Varik

I don't think Sega promote themselves enough, maybe it's a by-product of ceasing to make consoles. Sony/Nintendo/MS push really hard for their hardware and games, and even the bigger publishers do as well with Ubisoft having a huge presence this year at E3. They have their history and that is how most remember them but when speaking of newer stuff the fact that it's theirs is second in my mind.

I love Creative Assembly games but i forget Sega has anything to do with it until their name pops up on the screen. They make some great games but they need to tie it to their own brand better.

Potential-Monke

richymcdermott wrote: »

...even great to see vitua fighter 5 surpassing sega ambition in japan alone in one week , judging by psn its near 1000 players from people who rated the game.

Is that not because it was free with PS+ this month? :P

Nintendo will be around for a long time, as no matter what Sony and MS try, Nintendo will be the family favourite and usually the first console bought by parents for children (it keeps my 5 year old Autistic nephew entertained for hours, whereas i don't believe the PS3 or 360 would). Nintendo have a children-friendly image, and they always will imo, but they do also do "adult" titles, like Mad World, and the difficulty in the newer Mario games can verge on hair-pulling at times.

As for Sega, they are imo very western and their best games seem to be Western ports. Again, my opinion and could be well off, but if i'm not mistaken they're doing well in the West?

richymcdermott

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Is that not because it was free with PS+ this month? :P

Nintendo will be around for a long time, as no matter what Sony and MS try, Nintendo will be the family favourite and usually the first console bought by parents for children (it keeps my 5 year old Autistic nephew entertained for hours, whereas i don't believe the PS3 or 360 would). Nintendo have a children-friendly image, and they always will imo, but they do also do "adult" titles, like Mad World, and the difficulty in the newer Mario games can verge on hair-pulling at times.

As for Sega, they are imo very western and their best games seem to be Western ports. Again, my opinion and could be well off, but if i'm not mistaken they're doing well in the West?

hmm i think you are probably right bout ps subscribers lol ..
sega make a majority of thier money in europe , then japan then america.
their biggest hitters in the west are sonic , total war series and mario and sonic games , everything else sales well but those titles are very good.
its hurts me when i see sega keeping their big guns at japan ..

TheDoc

I grew up with Sega, it was my choice, them over Nintendo. But with the Arrival of the PS1, N64, games started looking better and Sega and Nintendo became retro for me quickly, and looked pretty childish. And I still think the same now. I'm not a mainstream gamer exactly, I just tend to play games with a lengthier time investment and a nice reward from the end , most recently LoL, WoW, Diablo etc. (Still have Max Payne 3 in wrapping , got it day before release)

I would be hard pushed to ever look at Nintendo or Sega again, for me, obviously Nintendo only in this regard, are just for young children..

Gaming now has spawned a large choice for gamers, before it was just play single player games, or have mates in the house to play. Now you have games hitting so many depths and so many genres and play styles. I tend to focus more on the MP games where I consisntently play with the same group of fellas, and we tend to all pickup new games together

deathrider

I've noticed the name Valkyria Chronicles being tossed around a lot in this thread, so I decided to investigate, and see what it's all about by checking out a few vids on youtube. Not sure if it would be my cup of tea, gameplay-wise, be my god it's a beautiful! Absolutely stunning looking game.

Potential-Monke

deathrider wrote: »

I've noticed the name Valkyria Chronicles being tossed around a lot in this thread, so I decided to investigate, and see what it's all about by checking out a few vids on youtube. Not sure if it would be my cup of tea, gameplay-wise, be my god it's a beautiful! Absolutely stunning looking game.

Pah, turned off the video when I saw it was turn based. I facking hate turn based, only game I played through that was turn based was some mech game on the PS1. Turn based ruins games for me.

deathrider

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Pah, turned off the video when I saw it was turn based. I facking hate turn based, only game I played through that was turn based was some mech game on the PS1. Turn based ruins games for me.

I'm not a huge fan of this style myself either. I was more the art-style that caught my eye. It just looks really well.

richymcdermott

People who dont like valkyria chronicles have no soul :pac:








Im serious :mad:

johnny_ultimate

Turn based for some, miniature American flags for others.