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14-06-2012 10:07am#1so with the introduction of the 25 bonus points, 625 is now the maximum you can get in the leaving cert, right? my question is is the points cap for courses also going to change or is 625 just theoretical, like someone with 7 A1s saying they got 700? just say for instance there's 20 places on a course and all 20 get, say 610, is that going to be the minimum points for that course? will people without honours maths therefore not be able to even stand a chance at getting into the course? or will the minimum points just be 600. this is all figurative of course
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I'm not saying its a huge difference, but its still pretty unfair...I mean its not like they had to learn Irish to that standard then sit the exam. They speak it as a first language just like English except not all of us do. We all answer it in a language we're comfortable with, and in something like French or even maths, there is so little English/Irish to be written that those extra marks shouldnt even apply. I just think its a completely backwards thing to do, especially since most fluent Irish speakers will already have a HL A1 in the bag.
Like what if someone did their maths exam through English, failed, then someone who did it through Irish failed harder but got brought up for doing it in Irish, got into college instead? Unlikely but I'd say it's happened. Thats an argument for another day though. :P
You'd actually be very surprised :P Most of my class barely scraped high Cs/Bs in the mocks. And they'd speak Irish every day at home and at school. English is still spoken more though. It's like 60/40, in favour of English. As well as that the Irish around here is pure pidgin, people have conversations half in Irish and half in English. Plus there's the fact that most of the people in Ireland who'd speak Irish more than English probably haven't opened a textbook on Irish grammar in about 40-50 years. And they don't understand it any better than someone who's not fluent, really.
Irish native speakers such as myself (in my experience) struggle with understanding the grammar of the language as much as anyone else. Having a fluent convo in Irish with another native speaker is more of a case of saying 'fúck it' and just motoring on, who cares if you make a few mistakes. It's a very instinctive language at the spoken level, no one gives a flying shíte if you leave out a few seimhiús and urús here and there, that's not what Irish is about. But the exams try and make it like that even though Irish has never developed a 'formal' aspect like the Romance languages have.
Jeez I should do a thesis on this stuff, wadya think? :pac:They can't lower entry points because they have no control whatsoever over them. I think there should be a sticky about the way the points system functions.
Yes they can. Why else would they be there?
If they don't control the entry points then there should be no reason for the CAO to exist.
From what I know the CAO functions in one of two ways. It either:
1) Aggregates the points of all the applicants for a course, sticks the numbers in a function, the function spits out a value which is the cut-off point for the course.
2) The applicant who got in on the lowest points, their points become the cut-off point.
I've never seen anything to suggest it's definitely one or the other, but if it's #1 then the CAO definitely have control over the system and can change it to suit whatever changes they might want to make. If it's #2 (which I've seen people say before on here, I think it was you), then fair enough the CAO can't do f**k all about it. But some kind of mechanism has to be brought in to prevent points inflation, otherwise people who don't do HL maths will be put at a severe disadvantage in the LC and points for nearly every course will end up skyrocketing.0 -
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When am I ever going to use Le Chatelier's principle in real life?
What?? Le chateliers principle is the basis for industrial chemistry
Its actually vital if you go into that area but its just that some things in maths are based on what seem like almost imaginary concepts that cant be used anywhere in any job 0 -
Dwellingdweller wrote: »Having a fluent convo in Irish with another native speaker is more of a case of saying 'fúck it' and just motoring on, who cares if you make a few mistakes. It's a very instinctive language at the spoken level, no one gives a flying shíte if you leave out a few seimhiús and urús here and there, that's not what Irish is about.
This is why I (used to) love Irish! The Leaving Cert (round two especially) has put me off it completely, when it used to be my favourite subject. I would love it if they put a little less emphasis on perfect grammar, but mainly, they need to get rid of the prós and poetry completely. It's useless if you want to know how to speak Irish. It would be epic if they got random fluent Irish speakers who didn't teach the language to mark students in the orals. Obviously that'd be impossible, but it would be a brilliant way of stopping rote-learning.
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This is why I (used to) love Irish! The Leaving Cert (round two especially) has put me off it completely, when it used to be my favourite subject. I would love it if they put a little less emphasis on perfect grammar, but mainly, they need to get rid of the prós and poetry completely. It's useless if you want to know how to speak Irish. It would be epic if they got random fluent Irish speakers who didn't teach the language to mark students in the orals. Obviously that'd be impossible, but it would be a brilliant way of stopping rote-learning.
Ah I know, Irish is so fun to speak properly like What I think they should do is make Irish a 25 bonus points subject but make the prós and filiocht sections actually... Decent. Like, have proper Irish books for prós, (make a single text question similar to Hamlet in English or something), make the poetry a challenge and improve the standard of essay writing.
However even though the future of Irish lies in it as a spoken language, having a really good technical knowledge of it is great too. I think there should be more emphasis on actually knowing what's going on, grammar-wise. And Irish should definitely be optional - but add in the 25 extra points and a literature course which is actually challenging to balance it out.
Also, guess I got told about the CAO thing. :pac: But, measures should still be taken to prevent grade inflation, in my opinion.0 -
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Dwellingdweller wrote: »Ah I know, Irish is so fun to speak properly like What I think they should do is make Irish a 25 bonus points subject but make the prós and filiocht sections actually... Decent. Like, have proper Irish books for prós, (make a single text question similar to Hamlet in English or something), make the poetry a challenge and improve the standard of essay writing.
However even though the future of Irish lies in it as a spoken language, having a really good technical knowledge of it is great too. I think there should be more emphasis on actually knowing what's going on, grammar-wise. And Irish should definitely be optional - but add in the 25 extra points and a literature course which is actually challenging to balance it out.
Also, guess I got told about the CAO thing. :pac: But, measures should still be taken to prevent grade inflation, in my opinion.
Definitely don't think they should give 25 extra points for Irish. Ever. :P I'm leaning more towards making it optional for the Leaving at this stage (never thought I'd say that). Surely people will be more likely to keep it on with 40% for the oral! But I think there should just be four or five subjects for the Leaving, so if that was the case it would obviously have to be optional.
As for Maths, if they're giving 25 extra points, they shouldn't be making the course easier.0 -
Definitely don't think they should give 25 extra points for Irish. Ever. :P I'm leaning more towards making it optional for the Leaving at this stage (never thought I'd say that). Surely people will be more likely to keep it on with 40% for the oral! But I think there should just be four or five subjects for the Leaving, so if that was the case it would obviously have to be optional.
As for Maths, if they're giving 25 extra points, they shouldn't be making the course easier.
Hmm, there's a secondary agenda at play though, which is keeping Irish alive in young people. I'm quite blessed with Irish because I'm fluent, etc, but it seems like most people who've sat the LC see Irish as a terrible thing that should just be gotten rid of. Pretty sad really.
The reason I suggest that 25 extra points should be given is because it's an important part of our heritage. The reason I suggest that it should be made optional at the same time is so people who don't want to do it don't have to. But it should be made more comprehensive as well. Like, there are a lot of non-fluent Irish speakers who sit the LC and scrape through Irish . The paper is too easy for fluent speakers and too hard for non-fluent speakers.
As well as that, people don't really take an interest in Irish. They just learn what they have to for the exam. That's mostly because it's hard to take an interest in it unless you live in the Gaeltacht, it's not a language spoken all over the world like French, English, etc. so people don't really feel like it's useful to them.
And yeah, HL maths should definitely stay at the same level of difficulty as it's at now!
You didn't see the bit where I suggested making it optional, did you. :rolleyes:0 -
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