Appalling driving...

Graces7

I trade at the market at Sneem each Tuesday, and then enjoy the drive to Killarney through Moll's Gap and then the lakes.

Yesterday saw seriously dangerous driving.

Ok so we were stuck behind a tour bus; but it was one where they had bought from us. Just takes a little patience is all.

Car behind me, right on my tail and I was next behind the bus, keeping my distance and with no ambition to pass on the lake road.

He pulls out on a bend and passes me.

Then he starts trying to pass the coach, on the bends. By now I have dropped right back and am crawling along.

Tries once and hits the ditch/edge on the right and a car comes round the bend so he drops in again.

By now I am praying aloud for his safety and the safety of the coach.

He pulls out again on a bend and just gets past and in; the car coming towards them a visitor car and they are gazing at the scenery and going slow. Else?

Then a crowd of motor bikes roars up behind, me headlights full on, far too close to me.. So at the first possible place I pull off the road to let them pass, and watch, horrified, as they try to pass the bus on the bends.

Is it worth the risk to life, especially the lives of others, to save a few minutes?

Seth Brundle

If you believe that it was dangerous and got a reg then call Garda Trafficwatch on 1890205805 but be prepared to make a formal statement if you wish it to go further.

Sounds bad. There is no excuse for dangerous driving.

On the other hand, it can be a frustrating journey. I think they should put signs up at various places along the Ring of Kerry reminding people to keep an eye in their rear view and where appropriate to pull in at lay bys to let traffic overtake. I have had near apoplexy with fellows cruising along at 15 miles an hour as they haul some caravan or boat down to South Kerry.

Graces7

kbannon wrote: »

If you believe that it was dangerous and got a reg then call Garda Trafficwatch on 1890205805 but be prepared to make a formal statement if you wish it to go further.

I did not think of this until much later... Wish I had done. My heart was in my mouth. Thank God it did not end in tragedy.

Graces7

Deleted User wrote: »

Sounds bad. There is no excuse for dangerous driving.

On the other hand, it can be a frustrating journey. I think they should put signs up at various places along the Ring of Kerry reminding people to keep an eye in their rear view and where appropriate to pull in at lay bys to let traffic overtake. I have had near apoplexy with fellows cruising along at 15 miles an hour as they haul some caravan or boat down to South Kerry.

I know, but patience and safety. A few weeks ago I would have agreed wholeheartedly with you and I frequently pull in myself to let traffic pass.. love it when they flash a thank you with their lights!

Signs would ruin the place, but many of the slow ones are in hire cars so the hire car companies could do something.

And gee! What is a few minutes extra? If I get behing someone really slow I just pull off and rest a wee while in that awesome scenery. No need for your kind of stress surely. Many are simply enjoying the scenery and the holiday. I have met some amazing folk when I pull in to wait.

Later we all got stuck near Muckross behind a jaunting car.. it is summer after all!

Stark

Graces7 wrote: »

And gee! What is a few minutes extra? If I get behing someone really slow I just pull off and rest a wee while in that awesome scenery. No need for your kind of stress surely. Many are simply enjoying the scenery and the holiday. I have met some amazing folk when I pull in to wait.

I really wish people would tell this to the slow inconsiderate drivers who never think to pull in and let people pass. I've been stuck behind buses and campervans for miles in second gear on occasions in the past despite passing by scores of laybys. If I wanted to take two hours to travel 50km while gaping out the window at the scenery, I would have taken the bicycle.

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

And gee! What is a few minutes extra? If I get behing someone really slow I just pull off and rest a wee while in that awesome scenery. No need for your kind of stress surely. Many are simply enjoying the scenery and the holiday. I have met some amazing folk when I pull in to wait.

Um, when driving to get to a train, heading for a dental or medical appointment, work reasons, a sporting fixture, to drop something off somewhere...to any one of the hundreds of things that get people of South Kerry on the road with some deadline to meet with someone who will not take a "well I pulled in to have a rest and enjoy the scenery"...;)

rob180

Inconsiderate slow drivers does my head in. Thank god i drive a hot hatch, so overtaking a line of cars is no problem for me.

ejmaztec

rob180 wrote: »

Inconsiderate slow drivers does my head in. Thank god i drive a hot hatch, so overtaking a line of cars is no problem for me.

Some drivers think it great fun to accelerate when you do that, and close the gap between their car and the one in front, leaving you on the wrong side of the road unable to get back in again. I call this "attempted murder".:(

ahnowbrowncow

Graces7 wrote: »

I know, but patience and safety. A few weeks ago I would have agreed wholeheartedly with you and I frequently pull in myself to let traffic pass.. love it when they flash a thank you with their lights!

Signs would ruin the place, but many of the slow ones are in hire cars so the hire car companies could do something.

And gee! What is a few minutes extra? If I get behing someone really slow I just pull off and rest a wee while in that awesome scenery. No need for your kind of stress surely. Many are simply enjoying the scenery and the holiday. I have met some amazing folk when I pull in to wait.

Later we all got stuck near Muckross behind a jaunting car.. it is summer after all!

And then another slow inconsiderate driver passes you just as you take to the road again and the cycle continues. I'm not excusing dangerous driving but slow drivers are causing these dangerous situations.

ahnowbrowncow

Graces7 wrote: »

I know, but patience and safety. A few weeks ago I would have agreed wholeheartedly with you and I frequently pull in myself to let traffic pass.. love it when they flash a thank you with their lights!

Signs would ruin the place, but many of the slow ones are in hire cars so the hire car companies could do something.

And gee! What is a few minutes extra? If I get behing someone really slow I just pull off and rest a wee while in that awesome scenery. No need for your kind of stress surely. Many are simply enjoying the scenery and the holiday. I have met some amazing folk when I pull in to wait.

Later we all got stuck near Muckross behind a jaunting car.. it is summer after all!

And then another slow inconsiderate driver passes you just as you take to the road again and the cycle continues. I'm not excusing dangerous driving but slow drivers are the cause of these dangerous situations.

iceinkerry

ejmaztec wrote: »

Some drivers think it great fun to accelerate when you do that, and close the gap between their car and the one in front, leaving you on the wrong side of the road unable to get back in again. I call this "attempted murder".:(

I dont know about that. I think if you want to pass out a line of traffic you should only do so when it is safe to do so. If a car leaves a safe gap between it and the car in front then thats not really fair game to try and fit back into.

carchaeologist

I drive my ordinary road car at 60mph and will rarely get anyone attempt to overtake.
I drive any of my classic cars at 60 or even 70 and the amount of people that will try and over take is incredible.
People see an old car and automatically think it will hold them up on the road.

ejmaztec

ejmaztec wrote: »

Some drivers think it great fun to accelerate when you do that, and close the gap between their car and the one in front, leaving you on the wrong side of the road unable to get back in again. I call this "attempted murder".:(

Yep, very often its the second driver that screws everything up by not leaving that gap that enables those behind to overtake and pull in should the need arise. Or worse still, the example you cite, accelerating to deliberately close the gap.

Graces7

Deleted User wrote: »

Um, when driving to get to a train, heading for a dental or medical appointment, work reasons, a sporting fixture, to drop something off somewhere...to any one of the hundreds of things that get people of South Kerry on the road with some deadline to meet with someone who will not take a "well I pulled in to have a rest and enjoy the scenery"...;)

But you know that holiday traffic will cause delays... And need to be realistic and allow for this. I have no sympathy!

And you should enjoy the scenery; utter glory.

Graces7

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

And then another slow inconsiderate driver passes you just as you take to the road again and the cycle continues. I'm not excusing dangerous driving but slow drivers are the cause of these dangerous situations.

Not... the fault lies with impatient and show off drivers. Used to be a book called "Don't sweat the small stuff.."

As I said, a few weeks ago I felt differently. Then I decided I would rather allow for delays and not get all worked up as I had been doing. And I enjoy all but the idiots who think speed is all.

All of us except that car driver were behaving sensibly and carefully. It is always the responsibility of the driver behind.

Driving defensively is what prevents accidents. I have been driving nearly 50 years and never an accident.

And life is too short to get worked up over these issues.

Graces7

carchaeologist wrote: »

I drive my ordinary road car at 60mph and will rarely get anyone attempt to overtake.
I drive any of my classic cars at 60 or even 70 and the amount of people that will try and over take is incredible.
People see an old car and automatically think it will hold them up on the road.

You drive at that speed on this particular road?:rolleyes:

Graces7

rob180 wrote: »

Inconsiderate slow drivers does my head in. Thank god i drive a hot hatch, so overtaking a line of cars is no problem for me.

On that road?

:rolleyes:

Stark

Graces7 wrote: »

Not... the fault lies with impatient and show off drivers. Used to be a book called "Don't sweat the small stuff.."

As I said, a few weeks ago I felt differently. Then I decided I would rather allow for delays and not get all worked up as I had been doing. And I enjoy all but the idiots who think speed is all.

All of us except that car driver were behaving sensibly and carefully. It is always the responsibility of the driver behind.

Driving defensively is what prevents accidents. I have been driving nearly 50 years and never an accident.

And life is too short to get worked up over these issues.

Why not just stay at home altogether and then you'd never have to worry about getting anywhere. Just because you've nothing to do with your days except stand on the side of the road doesn't mean everyone else's time is unimportant. Roads are for getting to where you want to go in a reasonable period of time. Not for trundling along gawking at the scenery. Go for a walk in the woods if that's your thing. Or else pull in to let traffic pass. It's all about showing consideration to people, not wallowing in self-satisfaction and causing frustration to other users.

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

But you know that holiday traffic will cause delays... And need to be realistic and allow for this. I have no sympathy!

And you should enjoy the scenery; utter glory.

It depends. I mean, if someone is on their way to a hospital for an appointment, or trying to catch a train to a business meeting, they may not simply be in the frame of mind to lounge around and enjoy the scenery. That logic could be applied to anyone anywhere - stuck in a traffic jam in Dublin city centre, feast your eyes on the GPO and the Four Courts and think of Pearse and all that history.

I would rather drive these roads than any other. But that does not mean that, for many locals driving the road, particularly during work hours, ambling along and smelling the roses is really an option. Most people know when busses are on the road, so it should be no surprise and that can be factored in before one leaves. But sometimes you still see bad slow driving that holds everyone up and is just head in hands stuff eg. a person should not be taking a boat through the Ring of Kerry during busy day time traffic, not pull in anywhere, expect to hold up everyone else and tell them they can lump it and enjoy the scenery.

counterlock

In the space of less than 5 mins this morning I had
1. A car pull over on a double yellow hazards on, blocking the entrance/exit to a junction (in front of the huddle bar)
2. A car stop to let pedestrains across 10 feet after a pedestrian crossing
3. A pedestrian dart from between parked cars across the road in front of me
4. A car shoot out of a car park only to screech to a halt 7 feet away from me

The rules of the road mean nothing as soon as you cross the border into Kerry, good luck to you going through the roundabout by Barrys in your lane without getting nailed. Indicators are an option, not a requirement. Yellow hatched boxes means you can stop at your convenience and your hazards make you invisible

Ciarrai76

counterlock wrote: »

In the space of less than 5 mins this morning I had
1. A car pull over on a double yellow hazards on, blocking the entrance/exit to a junction (in front of the huddle bar)
2. A car stop to let pedestrains across 10 feet after a pedestrian crossing
3. A pedestrian dart from between parked cars across the road in front of me
4. A car shoot out of a car park only to screech to a halt 7 feet away from me

The rules of the road mean nothing as soon as you cross the border into Kerry, good luck to you going through the roundabout by Barrys in your lane without getting nailed. Indicators are an option, not a requirement. Yellow hatched boxes means you can stop at your convenience and your hazards make you invisible

driving onto a roundabout and blocking the lanes who have the right of way...or stopping in yellow box & blocking entrance/exit....does my head in! Seems like both these things are alien to people in Tralee. Oh and the indicators, my god why bother having them in the car!! Oh one more thing, people check your lights are working on your car. I've seen way too many cars driving around with a front light gone...even just one main light working which is so dangerous! This week I've been behind at least 3 cars with only one break light working! I know it can happen without you realising, even if you have just checked, but the front ones you have to notice!! ok rant over lol

LaChatteGitane

Maybe they should make the 100km/hr signs a minimum speed - for some.

ejmaztec

LaChatteGitane wrote: »

Maybe they should make the 100km/hr signs a minimum speed - for some.

Old fellas with big ears and flat caps for starters.

LaChatteGitane

ejmaztec wrote: »

Old fellas with big ears and flat caps for starters.

100 km/hr is insane on that road. 70 max, which is what it was before some bright spark decided it was time to put new signs up along the Kerry roads.
Anticipate there can be delays on the road for whatever reason, drive well (speed doesn't necessary equal good driving) and enjoy the ride. You'll feel more relaxed that way.;)

ejmaztec

LaChatteGitane wrote: »

100 km/hr is insane on that road. 70 max, which is what it was before some bright spark decided it was time to put new signs up along the Kerry roads.
Anticipate there can be delays on the road for whatever reason, drive well (speed doesn't necessary equal good driving) and enjoy the ride. You'll feel more relaxed that way.;)

What's that got to do with big-eared flat-capped old fellas?

LaChatteGitane

ejmaztec wrote: »

What's that got to do with big-eared flat-capped old fellas?

Absolutely nothing

LaChatteGitane

LaChatteGitane wrote: »

Anticipate there can be delays on the road for whatever reason, drive well (speed doesn't necessary equal good driving) and enjoy the ride. You'll feel more relaxed that way.;)

Everyone set off earlier and chill out is of course correct advice for any driver in any area, but it would be as valid in Kerry as it is for anyone in a commuter belt. I still think the drivers should also be warned to have a bit of consideration for local drivers too. Just like people in cities, we have businesses to run. Just like people in cities, we need to make ends meet. Just like people in cities, we have stress levels.

Another one that annoys me is the person who stops in the road to take photos. In every other country, you would be expected to pull in. I know tourism is very important, so one tries to be considerate and generous of spirit, and they may be driving on what for them is the "wrong" side. So if I can see the road ahead and overtake it's not an issue. But sometimes they stop on narrow roads on bends with single white lines and I just wonder how that driving would be viewed in their country of origin, if I stopped at the Arc de Triomphe or the Spanish Steps and simply left the traffic build up while I take snaps.

LaChatteGitane

Deleted User wrote: »

Everyone set off earlier and chill out is of course correct advice for any driver in any area, but it would be as valid in Kerry as it is for anyone in a commuter belt. I still think the drivers should also be warned to have a bit of consideration for local drivers too. Just like people in cities, we have businesses to run. Just like people in cities, we need to make ends meet. Just like people in cities, we have stress levels.

Another one that annoys me is the person who stops in the road to take photos. In every other country, you would be expected to pull in. I know tourism is very important, so one tries to be considerate and generous of spirit, and they may be driving on what for them is the "wrong" side. So if I can see the road ahead and overtake it's not an issue. But sometimes they stop on narrow roads on bends with single white lines and I just wonder how that driving would be viewed in their country of origin, if I stopped at the Arc de Triomphe or the Spanish Steps and simply left the traffic build up while I take snaps.

I agree with everything you say and you have worded it perfectly. Unfortunately, until people 'in general' will be more considerate of others, there is nothing anyone can do. Except anticipate, anticipate, anticipate.
One could of course also make rude gestures to tourists, that'll teach them.:p

xxyyzz

I love these driving rants. People that annoy the hell out of me:
1. Brakers - I don't generally mind people driving slow but the ones who drive slowly and brake at everything have me crawling up the walls. They brake for oncoming cars on a wide straight road, brake at every bend despite the fact that they're only doing 40mph, brake at a gust of wind. This usually causes an accordian effect with a string of cars behind them slapping on their brakes on instinct when they see the brake lights ahead of them.

2. Tailgaters - If you're not going to overtake me, back the fup off.

3. People who don't indicate or indicate randomly on roundabouts - As far as I can tell this incorporates every Irish person bar myself

jd

When driving Route 1 (LA-SF) one thing I noticed was plenty was plenty of Turnouts. If you are holding up other traffic you MUST use them . You won't get very far with "AH sure I was admiring the scenery" if the cops pull you over.

Graces7

Stark wrote: »

Why not just stay at home altogether and then you'd never have to worry about getting anywhere. Just because you've nothing to do with your days except stand on the side of the road doesn't mean everyone else's time is unimportant. Roads are for getting to where you want to go in a reasonable period of time. Not for trundling along gawking at the scenery. Go for a walk in the woods if that's your thing. Or else pull in to let traffic pass. It's all about showing consideration to people, not wallowing in self-satisfaction and causing frustration to other users.

:rolleyes:

Nasty temper tantrum.. So rude.

And so inaccurate too. Ah well...

Graces7

LaChatteGitane wrote: »

I agree with everything you say and you have worded it perfectly. Unfortunately, until people 'in general' will be more considerate of others, there is nothing anyone can do. Except anticipate, anticipate, anticipate.
One could of course also make rude gestures to tourists, that'll teach them.:p

Teach them what though?

Graces7

Deleted User wrote: »

It depends. I mean, if someone is on their way to a hospital for an appointment, or trying to catch a train to a business meeting, they may not simply be in the frame of mind to lounge around and enjoy the scenery. That logic could be applied to anyone anywhere - stuck in a traffic jam in Dublin city centre, feast your eyes on the GPO and the Four Courts and think of Pearse and all that history.

I would rather drive these roads than any other. But that does not mean that, for many locals driving the road, particularly during work hours, ambling along and smelling the roses is really an option. Most people know when busses are on the road, so it should be no surprise and that can be factored in before one leaves. But sometimes you still see bad slow driving that holds everyone up and is just head in hands stuff eg. a person should not be taking a boat through the Ring of Kerry during busy day time traffic, not pull in anywhere, expect to hold up everyone else and tell them they can lump it and enjoy the scenery.

Small point to some of the rants...

When I am driving home from Sneem, it is around 6 pm by the time I reach Killarney. I have been up since 4 am and on the road since 5 am. I am not young and I live in almost constant pain and I trade to support the homeless.

Sure I could stay home and twiddle my thiumbs but that would not help anyone. And I intend to use whatver small time I still have to work for those who have nothing, and certainly not a car or fair and fine places to drive through.

My choice to live thus.

The first time I got stuck behind a tourist car whose speed varied wildly which is exhausting to follow, I reacted as you do. Then I stopped reacting and started living.

And became considerate of those who spend a lot of their money to come to Ireland. Who love the country and enjoy their time here so much. From US cities where there is no beauty. And I stopped being impatient and started caring about them. I chat with them at the stall.

We have so much here.

I enjoy the trading and I enjoy the people.

WHile I would dearly like a faster journey - I drive nearly 70 miles each way - I must thank all of the harsh and impatient posters here for teaching me that my way is far more enjoyable than theirs. I left the rat race years ago and feel so sorry for the snarlers here..

Last week we all got stuck behind a jaunting car; the road is for him too as for the slow drivers, the happy snappers, the stop=starters.

The man taking his boat pays his road tax same as you and I.

Oh and I did not say lump it ! I suggested adapting to what is and stop railing againts what cannot be changed. OK if you enjoy high blood pressure! It was apositive and comstructive suggestion. Because nothing will change the drivers after all. They are as they are at this season.

The roads are not the sole province of the speedsters and impatient ones.

Or the locals only.

So much sheer intolerance here.

If you can do that drive and see none of the beauty then something is missing somewhere.

Before that I pulled off as I needed coffee; met a whole coach load of young Americans who loved the drive whose enthusiasm was a wonderful thing.

So thank you all for increasing my patience and my appreciation of Kerry and of all who come here. I think of you whenever I get stuck behind someone now.

Like thr tractor trailer for ten miles near here.

And I think I get more from the drive than all the impatient and inconsiderate ones here who snap and snarl. And make nasty comments of those who like myself think differently from them.

Off to sleep now and so looking forward to Moll's Gap and all onwards after market. Whatever I get stuck behind... sheer beauty and a privilege to be here

Blessings and peace


and over and OUT .. REALLY some people!!

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

I left the rat race years ago and feel so sorry for the snarlers here..

And I think I get more from the drive than all the impatient and inconsiderate ones here who snap and snarl. And make nasty comments of those who like myself think differently from them.

1. I guessed you were out of the rat race. I have to pay a mortgage, support family etc and that means having to work and work hard. I too would like to amble along and be out of the rat race. Good luck to you with that.

2. For someone who has littered her post with refernces to her own peace and love, you seem rather impatient on websites. I did not attack you at all. I disagreed with your post. That is all. So less of all the utter nonsense about how my observations are rants and how you are the one who has some serene patience while we "snap and snarl". Thank you.

LaChatteGitane

Graces7 wrote: »

Teach them what though?

Oh dear. Did you not notice it was tongue in cheek ? :eek: