baler wrapper combo's

grazeaway

over the last few years i have closed off any fields that get too strong and cut them for siage bales rather then topping. decided to do this rather then having a single big cut of pit silage. thing is i might end up only cutting 4 of 5 acares at a time but might do it a few times over the summer.
got my own mower a few years ago and get a neighbour to bale and wrap it. he is going to finish up doing the contracting at the end of this year. as i'll mainly have only small jobs i think i might just be able to do the whole lot myself with a baler wrapper (not a fusion as it'll only be for my own stuff and i dont have a 150hp tractor to pull it)

i have been thinking of getting a baler wrapper combo something like a trarrup bio. have seen a good few of these on the continent. has anyone used these and what are they like?, can they be used to bale hay and straw aswell if needed.

Muckit

Is it a fusion the neighbour has? If it wasn't would you consider buying his gear.... at the right money? He'd know them inside out if anything went wrong... just a thought.

Those tarrup bios look a nice tidy affair, but I've only ever seen them on youtube, sorry I'm little or no help to you:o

grumpyfarmer

A fella i know has one of those krone combis . does all his own stage and what ever wrapping his brothers in law need and that of his slurry contractor as part payment for slurry. pulls it with a same silver 110 . seems to do an ok job , bales might be a bit soft..

grazeaway

nope he has a weglar baler and own wrapper. had tought about buying them off him but he want to keep them for himself as they a a lot of work done and he doesnt have the appitte for contracting anymore. the raw back is labour have used a few different methods over the years and the lowest i can get it down to is 2 people (baling and wrapping in the field, and drawing them in myself afterwards). i'd perfer to wrap and stack in the yard but would need 3-4 people and 2 extra tractors. if that was the case i'd just get a contractor in to do teh whole lot but most of the the time it small area's. if i had just the baler then i'd need to get someone in the wrap them or bale with me and i'd perfer to have a bit on consistentsy (if i mess up i can only blame myself). plus i'd be reliant on someone else to be avaiable.

there are not too many fusions down around here (i dont know of anyone around here who uses one) but have seen a bio working up in sligo a few summer when on hols. i know its slower then a fusion but probably works out faster then a baler and wrapper. plus kneverland/kuhn/welgar make good stuff. have a NH7840 so that would propably draive it easy enough would struggle with a fusion and i'm not going changing the tractor

Muckit

+1. Bales out of those krone combis are very soft. Learnt from experience

pajero12

Muckit wrote: »

+1. Bales out of those krone combis are very soft. Learnt from experience

Someone was minding their baler then!

grazeaway

the krone yoke does look a bit on the big side looks more like the claas or mchales so would probably need a more grunt to drive it espically with heavy crops. that said i havent seen too many krone balers around here doing silage mostly weglar mchale and a few JD's so maybe there is a bit to them making soft bales.

i was on the contenient earlier in the year and was chatting to a dealer about the combi's. he says that the bigger yokes like the fusion, claas and krones and more likely to be used by the contractors while the weglar is a farmers machine so that you could do everything with one man and tractor.

Markcheese

Used to help out a friend with drawing and wrapping bales. One tractor and a loader! He'd bale I'd turn up and, we'd draw and then wrap the bales one trailer at a time, not speedy but since it was only a couple of paddocks at a time ( like the OP) no prob. After I moved away same guy got a remote control wrapper and a small tractor to power it, does the whole lot himself !!

Farmer Pudsey

OP how many bales are you making. I do not think it would pay you. Most of them combi balers are doing a lot of work you would be buying a second hand one maintenance is very expensive even a simple thing like the sensors seem to only last a year and there is at least two on the baler are they 20 euro's a pop.

Any combi will cost 10K plus second hand and will be very old at that if it was me I would find another contractor there is plenty of them out there.

Atilathehun

Muckit wrote: »

+1. Bales out of those krone combis are very soft. Learnt from experience

New Krone balers out this year making fantastic bales. Rock hard. Adjustable as well. Can make a three foot, four foot or five foot diameter bale. Five foot bale is a great job. Cuts down the drawing in by 25%. Cuts down the storage space required as well. Good dry bale weighs about 870kgs.

Muckit

Atilathehun wrote: »

Good dry bale weighs about 870kgs.

That's the 135 left in the shed then

Pure abuse but had our 135 as second tractor drawin in from a fusion on Monday. 4X40kg weights stuck on the front of her and still had 'power steering'

49801

why not a remote wrapper or even one of those tanco loader mouted wrappers? its going to be expensive no matter what.

grazeaway

those tanco mounted ones and the business espically the newer double head ones but you need to draw the bales to the yard, best job for that is a keltec bale handeler but you also need a loader to drive the wrapper not really suitable for a tractor loader.

as for number of bales proably betwenn 450 to 550 most years but that could be 4 or 5 cuts (usually one big one and a few small ones for strong paddocks)

cost of maintenace is a big factor alright, those sensor and automation issues would be a pain alright. i was hoping that with low numbers and no dogging around the country i'd be able to keep the mainteance cost down by minding the running gear and knifes like with a baler and wrapper was hoping the fiddely sensors and stuff would last longer and not be an issue. plan was to has this yoke for a few years and then pop in to get a good service and drive on again.

the remote control jobs are good but still need to draw in the bales. realisticly how long can you leave a bale stand before wrapping it?? propably wouldnt be ideal for more then 70 or 80 bales would it???

if that were ok you could bale the paddock say 100 bales, take off baler draw in bale's with trailer and unload and wrap with a smaller tractor and remote control. what kinda time would you be looking at???

49801

we have wrapped bales done the previous evening the following luch time.
1yr silage 2yr composte I'd say though

starting to wonder is bringing the bales in your biggest problem?
keltec's are big money.
We found that the birds loved the wrapped bales in the field and they did wreck.

when we're drawing its a two man operation. we have a small trailer on the db996 that we load 5 bales onto at a time. We dont strap them or anything... internal roadways. mchale bales are heavy and dont move! Have a field next to the yard and we just tip the bales off the trailer. 2nd tractor has a cashels bale handler on the back and a spike on the front loader. The contractor comes the following day and wraps and stacks. I really dont understand why they dont have a remove control wrapper though?

Always liked the idea of the malone version of the keltec (think they only made a few) i've not seen one working but I think you'd clear alot of bales very quickly with a small enough tractor and would be a one man operation.



for longist draws one of those concrete block delivery trucks with the crane onboard would be a good job.

Muckit

49801 wrote: »

for longer draws one of those concrete block delivery trucks with the crane onboard would be a good job.

Atilathehun

When you get to the point of investing in Keltec's and lorry trailers with hiab's. etc, down on top of the cost of fertilizer, mowing, baling, wrapping, etc, etc, you would be far better off buying in meals, hay or sialge for that matter.
Got 64 bales of top class hay delivered last week for €24 a bale! Meal delivered in bulk of say 3 or 4 tons, is also damn good value compared to the true and total cost of baled silage.
But shure if we wern't mullocking we would be bored:rolleyes:

grazeaway

we did draw in the bales to the yard a few years ago from about 2 miles away with the tractor and bale trailer (14 at a time), lad with a keltec came half way through and would have 4 loads (32 bales) done by the time we had 1, they are a great yoke but i'd be wary with wrapped bales though.

the othe rthing is its fine for short draws usign teh tractor and loader with a handeler behind but that becomes a very long day draw 2 or 3 at a time.

just imagine the lines accross the fields with the hijib trailer in this weather. probably the job if your selling bales up and down the country.

need to think more about what to do looks like i might get a good S/H baler and wrapper but have to get someone in to wrap them after me in the field. but i think i'll still keep an idea eye out for a bio maybe from the contenient. a few thousand germans, french, dutch and scandinavans cant be all wrong.

grumpyfarmer

There is also those mchale hs2000 wrappers that one tows behind the baler and both can be use separately when needed...

Muckit

grazeaway wrote: »

a few thousand germans, french, dutch and scandinavans cant be all wrong.

True, but remember they all would have lighter stemmier crops than us. They would have to rake 30-40' to get a half decent row for the baler. Irish farmers would be harvesting far heavier crops of silage than any of those countries. If a new machine is tested and works in Irish conditions, you can be sure it is fit for any country on the continent;)

Markcheese

grazeaway wrote: »

those tanco mounted ones and the business espically the newer double head ones but you need to draw the bales to the yard, best job for that is a keltec bale handeler but you also need a loader to drive the wrapper not really suitable for a tractor loader.

as for number of bales proably betwenn 450 to 550 most years but that could be 4 or 5 cuts (usually one big one and a few small ones for strong paddocks)

cost of maintenace is a big factor alright, those sensor and automation issues would be a pain alright. i was hoping that with low numbers and no dogging around the country i'd be able to keep the mainteance cost down by minding the running gear and knifes like with a baler and wrapper was hoping the fiddely sensors and stuff would last longer and not be an issue. plan was to has this yoke for a few years and then pop in to get a good service and drive on again.

the remote control jobs are good but still need to draw in the bales. realisticly how long can you leave a bale stand before wrapping it?? propably wouldnt be ideal for more then 70 or 80 bales would it???

if that were ok you could bale the paddock say 100 bales, take off baler draw in bale's with trailer and unload and wrap with a smaller tractor and remote control. what kinda time would you be looking at???

Trying to remember how long it used to take us , used to do 40 to 60 at a time, think it used to take about 3 hrs plus to draw , wrap and stack them.a deutz 95 tractor drawing 11 or 12 a time and running wrapper, and an ancient Kramer loader unloading bales onto wraper and then stacking as the next one was wrapping..
Main reason was control, small batches a couple of times a week ( weather permitting) from June on in a clover system ..

Farmer Pudsey

grazeaway wrote: »

as for number of bales proably betwenn 450 to 550 most years but that could be 4 or 5 cuts (usually one big one and a few small ones for strong paddocks)

cost of maintenace is a big factor alright, those sensor and automation issues would be a pain alright. i was hoping that with low numbers and no dogging around the country i'd be able to keep the mainteance cost down by minding the running gear and knifes like with a baler and wrapper was hoping the fiddely sensors and stuff would last longer and not be an issue. plan was to has this yoke for a few years and then pop in to get a good service and drive on again.QUOTE]

So you average 500 bales a year if you get a contractor to do the bales with that amount you will get a good price as some is off peak. If you average 7 euro/bale it will cost 3500 a year that is all a one year cost. Say you pay 16000 for a S/H baler combi over eight years it will cost 2000 euro/year I presume any reidual value will will cover the cost of the money.

You now have 1500 euro/year to cover maintenance on baler, extra wear and tear on tractor, diesel and a thing we all forget you time doing 25 bales a hour it will take you 20 hours plus the time putting it on and off the tractor, maintaining it and also I forgot the bale net that contractor supply.

Markcheese

Slightly off topic , but often wondered if it'd possible to Bodge a moffet loader to carry 5/6 round bales...replace the front weight with a double bale carrier, another double on the rear loader, and when it's up,a carrier on the 3 point links. Would that be too much weight ?? Or unstable...?

grazeaway

its been a while since bales cost 7 euro a bale, but i get your point. if i take out my work out then i suppose i'd be paying out about 7 a bale. total costs would be higher.

good s/h baler and wrapper combo are nearer 25k, but looking at the longer term pic say 6000 bales over 10 years. about 5/bale plus diesel, wrap and netting plus other costs.

Skittles_

Markcheese wrote: »

Slightly off topic , but often wondered if it'd possible to Bodge a moffet loader to carry 5/6 round bales...replace the front weight with a double bale carrier, another double on the rear loader, and when it's up,a carrier on the 3 point links. Would that be too much weight ?? Or unstable...?

Look up farmers machines/ inventions on profi I think I seen it, few machines what your on about. Like a beefed up headstock on a double carrier with another on a ram and very substantial lump of steel with a parallel linkage, would be heavy 3tons plus??

thetiredfarmer

grazeaway wrote: »

those tanco mounted ones and the business espically the newer double head ones but you need to draw the bales to the yard, best job for that is a keltec bale handeler but you also need a loader to drive the wrapper not really suitable for a tractor loader.

as for number of bales proably betwenn 450 to 550 most years but that could be 4 or 5 cuts (usually one big one and a few small ones for strong paddocks)

cost of maintenace is a big factor alright, those sensor and automation issues would be a pain alright. i was hoping that with low numbers and no dogging around the country i'd be able to keep the mainteance cost down by minding the running gear and knifes like with a baler and wrapper was hoping the fiddely sensors and stuff would last longer and not be an issue. plan was to has this yoke for a few years and then pop in to get a good service and drive on again.

the remote control jobs are good but still need to draw in the bales. realisticly how long can you leave a bale stand before wrapping it?? propably wouldnt be ideal for more then 70 or 80 bales would it???

if that were ok you could bale the paddock say 100 bales, take off baler draw in bale's with trailer and unload and wrap with a smaller tractor and remote control. what kinda time would you be looking at???

The best i could ever do was about 50 bales made ,drawn home (no Road work), wrapped and then stacked before 7 o clock in the evening all on my own! A long lonely day!!!

limiter12

Atkins had a one of those kland bio balers and wrappers in stock the last time i was up there, could be worth a try.

grazeaway

thetiredfarmer wrote: »

The best i could ever do was about 50 bales made ,drawn home (no Road work), wrapped and then stacked before 7 o clock in the evening all on my own! A long lonely day!!!

Thats the thing that'll kill me i'd say, rushing to get the bales wrapped. once they are wrapper in the field i can draw them in with the tractor and trailer the following day before the crows start to pick at them.

was chatting to a buddy last night watching the match and he has an intresting suggestion. buy a s/h fusion as they are proven in ireland and have the back up but hire in a tractor to pull it for the day. i know a few farmers around here that do this for certian jobs like silage and sowing. might make more sense.

this one is the same price as a chopper baler if its in good knic then would be for my needs

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/machinery/3374292

maidhc

Lads I really think some of the machines being talked about here are completely OTT for a farmer. €22,500+VAT for a middle aged baler is big money by any standard.

I said before on this forum that I did 10 years of baling with an rp12s that cost €1200. It did 20/25 bales an hour and never once broke down (althogh it did need significant maintenance). It wasn't fast, but we could still bale wrap and stack 150 bales a day between two of us.

The 12s wouldn't suit eveyone, but I think a farmer should be keeping the cost down if they want to do OK out of it, there are plenty of Deeres, RP220s, and Krones looking for homes at a good price.

Finally, unless you are comfortable on doing maintenance yourself I would be very wary. Doing something like rebuilding a pickup could run into a massive labour bill, and given that a old welger has almost 40 bearings, i dread to think what a mchale has. I used to replace at least 4 each year on the welger, although the greasable bearings on the new machines are a superior job.

grazeaway

maidhc wrote: »

Lads I really think some of the machines being talked about here are completely OTT for a farmer. €22,500+VAT for a middle aged baler is big money by any standard.

I said before on this forum that I did 10 years of baling with an rp12s that cost €1200. It did 20/25 bales an hour and never once broke down (althogh it did need significant maintenance). It wasn't fast, but we could still bale wrap and stack 150 bales a day between two of us.

The 12s wouldn't suit eveyone, but I think a farmer should be keeping the cost down if they want to do OK out of it, there are plenty of Deeres, RP220s, and Krones looking for homes at a good price.

Finally, unless you are comfortable on doing maintenance yourself I would be very wary. Doing something like rebuilding a pickup could run into a massive labour bill, and given that a old welger has almost 40 bearings, i dread to think what a mchale has. I used to replace at least 4 each year on the welger, although the greasable bearings on the new machines are a superior job.

horses for courses and all. that's all well and good for some people but I wont have someone to help me out so that's why I'm looking at a one man system. also with older balers your not going to get chopped bales so you'll end up with more bales, higher cost of plastic and netting and spend more time brining them in.

As for the maintenance side, im not too bad with a spanner so that wont be a big issue (costs of parts may be). bearing in mind this wont be tearing around the backgrounds from job to job a good S/H yoke should do me for years. there are a few lads nearby that would be interested in getting a few small jobs done but wont really be going more then say 1000 bales (nice round figure if on the high side) in a year about 600 of my own (or more depending on cattle numbers) and maybe a few bits here and there.

what are the main things that fellas with fusions have had to replace on them. bearing in mind its basically a giant baler with a wrapper sitting on the back is there significantly more maintenance requirements significantly then with a chopper baler and wrapper?
how easy it to do?
what kind of intervals are we talking about?
very importantly how easy is it to use/learn?

maidhc

grazeaway wrote: »

horses for courses and all. that's all well and good for some people but I wont have someone to help me out so that's why I'm looking at a one man system. also with older balers your not going to get chopped bales so you'll end up with more bales, higher cost of plastic and netting and spend more time brining them in.

Choppers have been around since about 1993ish with the Welger RP200, so there is a 20 year selection of machines.

I bought a well maintained JD 575 during the with choopers and net for €5000. I gave it a good going over last week and it seems perfect bar one dodgy bearing, which I'll do in the next few days.

Again labour isn't that expensive or hard to come by at the moment, and €1000 should buy a lot of man hours and there will be no hiring of tractors.

grazeaway wrote: »

As for the maintenance side, im not too bad with a spanner so that wont be a big issue (costs of parts may be). bearing in mind this wont be tearing around the backgrounds from job to job a good S/H yoke should do me for years. there are a few lads nearby that would be interested in getting a few small jobs done but wont really be going more then say 1000 bales (nice round figure if on the high side) in a year about 600 of my own (or more depending on cattle numbers) and maybe a few bits here and there.

Doing any level of contracting isn't worth it from my experience. Leave it to the pros who have real gear, concentrate on the enterprise.

grazeaway wrote: »

what are the main things that fellas with fusions have had to replace on them. bearing in mind its basically a giant baler with a wrapper sitting on the back is there significantly more maintenance requirements significantly then with a chopper baler and wrapper?
how easy it to do?
what kind of intervals are we talking about?
very importantly how easy is it to use/learn?

I know nothing of fusions (actually I have only seen them in dealers) and I don't see many down here in cork. If you are hell bent on a combi, I really do think you should look to the less sexy stuff, like the Deutz or Krone. It will be cheaper, just as relaible, and perfectly adequate for a farmer.

A well maintained Krone/Deutz with a careful operator will also make a superior bale to a Fusion with an average operator.

grazeaway

didnt realise the good choppers went that far back was think nearer the late 90's. know a few boyos that got them in the mid 90's and ended up not using the chopper at all. wanted to stick to the ones that have proven themselves over the last 10-12 years.

didnt want a fusion to begin with as i dont have the tractor for it, but as a few previous lads pointed out the fusion is proven in irish conditions. that said i do like the bio's (deutz and weglar unit is the same) but havent seen too many around so i dont know how they work in irish fields.

as for the contracting its more a case of lads that are bouncing me and we try to help each other out wouldnt be work i'd be planning on as a side business.

Mad man!

Muckit wrote: »

+1. Bales out of those krone combis are very soft. Learnt from experience

Its not the baler,. more the driver setting the density too low!!

maidhc

grazeaway wrote: »

didnt want a fusion to begin with as i dont have the tractor for it, but as a few previous lads pointed out the fusion is proven in irish conditions. that said i do like the bio's (deutz and weglar unit is the same) but havent seen too many around so i dont know how they work in irish fields.

Fusions are the "must have" at the moment. It isn't long ago when the must have was a Class 46, and more recently again an RP220. Everything, including the vicon/deutz, welger, krone and John Deere have proven themselves in Irish conditions.

For instance the number of Krone's baling in East Cork/West Waterford outnumbers McHales by probably 100/1, largely due to the dealers about and the fact the machines are about longer.

The McHale is prob the rolls royce, but a skoda would prob do the job as well!

Bitten & Hisses

maidhc wrote: »

If you are hell bent on a combi, I really do think you should look to the less sexy stuff, like the Deutz or Krone. It will be cheaper, just as relaible, and perfectly adequate for a farmer.

A well maintained Krone/Deutz with a careful operator will also make a superior bale to a Fusion with an average operator.

The Krone Combi is actually quite easy to drive. I know a man who pulls one with a TS115. I think they have an independent hydraulic system, driven off the PTO, rather than depending on the tractor's pump.

Angus4life

our contractor has a tarrup bio fusion. best bale i ever seen other contractor has krone balers and one time the baler got broke and wudnt put the net on. let the bale out and the tarrop came to finish the job and he put a full line of a 5 acre field along wit the full krone bale that was left out.:O so in the long run wen we do be making 600 bales instead of 700 and at these prieces that counts :L

grazeaway

I think jim power in tallow does krone. Haven't seen the krone version working but wouldn't mind seeing one. Going to be having an eye and ear out out the summer to see if there is one local.

grazeaway

Nothing wrong with the skodas great cars, they tend to use the best bits from the vw spares bins. Lol

funkey_monkey

500 bales per year is a big number. I'd be looking to invest in an outfit myself if in a similar position. Any particular reason you don't do clamp?

I've heard from a contractor that some JD balers were prone to going on fire.

If you are looking at an outlay of €25,000 then it's a big investment for a single piece of machinery. €11,000 should get you a decent baler and wrapper pair. That would leave you €14,000 for a second tractor which would be very useful as it sounds like you have only the one, correct?

If you do have more than one, I'd still opt for separate wrapper and baler. There is not much to go wrong with a wrapper - apart from the main turntable bearing. If you are mechanically minded, then it will be no problem.

However, if you heart is set on a combi, I'd look at something like http://www.dslogan.com/archives/2441 or http://www.dslogan.com/archives/2288.

I don't know what type of land you are working, but for any farmer the Taarup would be the best option if a combi is what you want - although a quick Google shows that early versions seem to have problems with hay/straw (http://www.fwi.co.uk/community/forums/t/5781.aspx). I don't like the Fusion - you need a massive tractor and the thing looks as if it weighs more than the Titanic.

A benefit of a combi is that only 1 tractor roaring it's head off all day - fuel use will be increased, but should not equal that of a 2 unit operation. Think hard about it, approx €25,000 is a lot for a combi and would pay for quite a bit of diesel.

funkey_monkey

To back up my figures, a quick search on Done Deal (as the footie is now over ):

Wegler RP202 €6,500: http://www.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/machinery/3301842

Re-conditioned Roco Wrapper €3,100: http://www.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/machinery/3487739

Total spend: €9,600.

Although, I'd opt for a fresher looking baler: http://www.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/machinery/3412725

With the above wrapper, total spend: €11,800.

grazeaway

All good points. Have a second tractor but can't drive two together. The tarrup does look like a great bit of kit, but how much will it set me back for a good S/H one. Used to do pit if I was to do only doing one cut I'd still do it. Land isnt all in one block so had long draws. It's handy to leave the bales at the outside farms and I can draw them when I need them or winter there or in some cases sell them. Also have started to take out strong fields rather then topping, means I don't have make a second cut and I can manage the grass better now that the weather is so unpredictable. So even if I only have a few acres of a light crop to make I can do it myself when I need/want to with out paying a contractor for a part day or small job. The system gives me flexibility. Last thing I need is a cheap baler breaking down making crap and then having still get in a contractor. You are probably thinking these same ideas.

funkey_monkey

Can you get in a second driver to help you for a day?

Those balers I've pointed out will not be breaking down any more than the newer ones. We've an old baler and it causes no trouble - if you are hard on machinery it doesn't matter what it is like when you buy it, it'll be f***ed when the season comes around again. Soft bales are due to people not setting the pressure correctly or operating it right, normally nowt to do with the age of the baler.

I've heard someone say you can get one of the older Taarups from around €15,000 - though I've not seen anything to confirm that.

grazeaway

Nope can't really rely on having someone around, the uncle and cousin give me a hand when I'm stuck but they have they're own work to do. 15k would defo put the tarrup into my ballpark money wise. Bear in mind I have a certain amount of gear in place already. As for running the gear I wouldnt be too hard on it but some gear is hardier then others.

Those krone combos look like they are about the size of a fusion would they need a big tractor to pull them as well. Have seen some of the class one being pulled by 125 hp and upwards. If that's the case then it's the same problem as the mchale.

Angus4life

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/machinery/3358481 looks clean u should price it

maidhc

grazeaway wrote: »

Those krone combos look like they are about the size of a fusion would they need a big tractor to pull them as well. Have seen some of the class one being pulled by 125 hp and upwards. If that's the case then it's the same problem as the mchale.

Your 7840 is a decent tractor and should manage most things, probably even a fusion if the ground isn't too steep and you aren't going too fast. If it hasn't been turbod, then that is a potentially cheap way to get a 120/130hp.

funkey_monkey

grazeaway wrote: »

15k would defo put the tarrup into my ballpark money wise.

I take it you are going to use your contractor this summer and buy in the winter?

grazeaway

yeah this will be the last year he'll be doing contracting, but i understand his reasons. was going to get another one lined up but with a lot of small jobs they wouldnt be too worried about missing 3 arces of a light crop for a bigger job.

want to have a decent plan for next year and will try to see a few other systems working to see what suits best.

7840 is non turbo and i wont be adding one to it. a lot a people make the mistake of thinking that you can just add a turbo to any engine. the engine is done different. There are extra oil flow lines running through the block, crankshaft, conrods and pistons. the extra oil lines are needed to cool the engine with the extra power that comes with the turbo. have seen engines been blown out off 7810's and 7840s that have had turbos fitted and then worked hard. know mostly about the fords but id say its the same with other engines.

Farmer Pudsey

Grazeaway I think that you are going to have a lot of money tied up in machinery. Most contractors would take your hand off to be garunteed 5-600 bales a year. The biggest issue contractors have with people is the farmer that cuts the silage himself on Monday and will not ring until Wednesday middle of the day looking for someone to wrap it.

He is not going to let you high and dry especially if you do work on the shoulders. Alot of contractors now work togeather to a certain extent in that they so that if one is tied up far away he will get a friend to wrap yours. Also it is easy to build up a relationship with another contractor and finially there is more lads baling than ever before.

Looking at the prices I be incline to go for a seperate baler/wrapper than a Combi. Most combi will have a lot of bales done and still make big money is there no farmer near you with a wrapper or a baler that you could work with you have the baler he has the wrapper or visa versa.

maidhc

grazeaway wrote: »

7840 is non turbo and i wont be adding one to it. a lot a people make the mistake of thinking that you can just add a turbo to any engine. the engine is done different. There are extra oil flow lines running through the block, crankshaft, conrods and pistons. the extra oil lines are needed to cool the engine with the extra power that comes with the turbo. have seen engines been blown out off 7810's and 7840s that have had turbos fitted and then worked hard. know mostly about the fords but id say its the same with other engines.

No 7840 or TS115 was sold new with a turbo, but most have got them at this stage and are holding up OK for the most part. I have a TS115 myself and was never turboed, but the main dealer certainly had no qualms about fitting one a while back when I enquired.

For the very light work you would be doing I wouldn't see it as a prob. I can certainly see myself turbocharging the TS sometime if I need the power.

grazeaway

actually there are very few locals around here with there own wrappers or balers around here, so i would be looking at a contractor to get it done. i know a few contractor here that link up for the silage season have actully worked for a few of them over the years. have a couple of good lads that do some work for me (have a bit of tillage so contract most of that work out.

from a machinary point of view yes i may have a lot of money tied up in gear but as it stands it'll only be one more machine as opposed to buying a new tractor and/or a loader too. for contractors they need to have those machines working as much as possible to pay for themselves and need to keep jobs.

the baled silage suits my system and i have got caught a few times where i missed my cut due to the weather and contractors being tied up with other work. thats was why we decided to keep the mower a few years back. my dad always had one for cutting a bit of hay so when it came to change it we got one that could cut silage as well. the way the weather has been over the last few years i reckon having the ability to cut and wrap my own when i want/need to benifts me. if was to go back to getting a single cut then i'd go back to the pit silage and get a topper. not in cows anymore so i can be a bit more flexable with the grazing.

maidhc

Nice looking "farmers" baler here:

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/machinery/3468346

Use the other 25k to buy a wrapper and pay for a hired hand from the FRS or somewhere over the next 10 or so years!

grazeaway

maybe i'm just cynical but of course the dealer will offer to add a turbo to your tractor. the 7810 is rated at bit over 100hp the 7840 a little more and the ts115 at 115 hp if you need a more powerful tractor then you should use a more powerful one. i could never see to point of people using the wrong machine. if you need to had a turbo then you have the wrong size tractor.

another thing to factor in is the diesel usage espically the price it is now. i remember fella's near here putting tw15 pumps and injectors into 7810's and 8210's in the 90's, loads of extra power but the juice bill went up too.

i remember the 1st time i stripped a 7810 engine about 16 years ago and the internals were more like those in 6610, the 7610 cos of the turbo had different bearings, blocks, conrods and pistons. i'd say the ts 110 and ts115 differeces are similar. new holland designed the 115 to take 115 hp it stands to reason that if you add another 15/20hp that you'll be putting it under more strain then it needs. this has a knock on effect to the gearbox and other systems that are set up for 115hp. i dont think these are shared with the bigger 125's and 140's so might not be designed for the extra power.