***Higher Level Classical Studies 2012***

bazinga_

anyone?
is anyone else doing classics on friday?
what's everyone hoping will come up? :P

Kelix

I hope the philosopher questions are nice, hopefully no weird surprises like other exams...

As for the other topics, I'm good to go with almost anything hope the questions on the Medea and Oedipus the king are straight forward too...maybe a character question or two.

Kelix

bazinga_ wrote: »

i'm hoping for children in medea :rolleyes: hasn't been up in aaaages and it's really important.
i really hate oedipus questions though... but they're the only two we do, and i left out oedipus in the mocks but i think it might be a bit dodge

Alexander???

the alexander topic is easyyyyy though, I'd be surprised if it was something difficult or weird

how are you for timing

SeanMadd

Do ye have classical studies subjects in school or do ye do them on your own? I kinda wanted to do it, seems interesting!

SlyBacon93

Hopefully any 2 of mutiny at opus, policy of fusion, battle of issus or granacuis and the siege if tyre come up for Alexander

Cruel Sun

I don't do classical studies, but I'm just wondering a few things. What is it? Is it easy? Could the course be learned on your own? Just curious.

Best of Luck in the exam!

Helloxoxo

Martin_94 wrote: »

I don't do classical studies, but I'm just wondering a few things. What is it? Is it easy? Could the course be learned on your own? Just curious.

Best of Luck in the exam!

Don't do it alone!!(or at all) I liked the idea of it but I hate all the learning. Course is so broad. They really need to prescribe a better book for art and architecture too.Ugh so screwed for tomorrow

JessiStar

My teacher said the SEC have overdone Alexander battles over the past few years so they shouldn't come up- good for me though because I'm awful at describing all the positions of the infantry, cavalry and officers

Helloxoxo

JessiStar wrote: »

My teacher said the SEC have overdone Alexander battles over the past few years so they shouldn't come up- good for me though because I'm awful at describing all the positions of the infantry, cavalry and officers

Do you have any other tips? Our teacher said sieges and mutinies?

zinfandel

Can't get to grips with the architecture at all, way too much to remember, am sticking with the art and hoping for the best.
Bit worried about the Alexander question the whole thing is so big.

ACBBFG

Helloxoxo wrote: »

Do you have any other tips? Our teacher said sieges and mutinies?

My teacher thinks orientalism and conspiracies/ Callisthenes maybe. Also Hephaestion

Zach_Douglas

Does anyone have any Alexander predictions??

Helloxoxo

Zach_Douglas wrote: »

Does anyone have any Alexander predictions??

The only predictions above are Alexander predictions

SlyBacon93

Zach_Douglas wrote: »

Does anyone have any Alexander predictions??

I sent them to you on fb zack

Kelix

how many pages do you guys write for each question...based on marks? how much for a 50,30 and 20?

SlyBacon93

I'm not doing art I'm just doing architecture and I'm only doing 3 temples

Helloxoxo

Can't wait to fail classical studies today

SlyBacon93

Helloxoxo wrote: »

Can't wait to fail classical studies today

Yea I'm fairly f* *ked as well.

Cill94

What a lovely paper. Orientalism AND a general question on battles. So sexy

Kelix

Such an easy paper! Definitely got the A

SlyBacon93

Handy enough paper pity I didn't study

zinfandel

Dream of a paper, hoping for an A, could have done it with half the study!

eddie123

Such a nice paper my teacher is a genius it was exactly like the mock paper he made out for us almost all of his predictions came up to! how did everyone else find it?

Kelix

I hope everyone didn't find it too easy otherwise the marking scheme might be stingy...

F9Devil

The paper was very good, the marking scheme will be pretty tough. Everyone in my class (15approx) were literally jumping for joy and if it's the same situation with other classics students around the country we're in for one hell of a marking scheme!

eddie123

but regardless of the marking scheme,if the questions were answered correctly then they will award the points! I thought that if it was evident that a lot of students found the exam difficult then they would have to mark it easier to get the bell curve,im sure some people found it difficult,and that not everybody got an A or a B,therefore the exam will be marked fairly...if that makes any sense?

zinfandel

Hope so Eddie, I really feel I did an A1 paper, which will be my one and only, so hope they do not mess with the marks.

Helloxoxo

Such a good paper wish I'd studied my Odysessy and Aenied properly, then I would have gotten a handy A. Unfortunately before I had given up on studying it as I though the paper would be impossible!

Kelix

Actually thinking about it more I don't think the marking scheme will get harder because Classical Studies has the highest failure rate and there will still be those people who tried to do it on their own and did absolutely no study and failed, so if the fails keep up then the marks won't get difficult, right?

eddie123

yea exactly,at the start of the year my teacher told us that there was such a high failure rate because of the institute,they get students who have just came to them to take it up when they only have a year to learn everything and they tell them that its easy,they dont teach it to them properly and their students fail as a result,but sure,we'll just have to find out in August wont we!

eddie123

correction,not ALL of their their students fail of course,some do really well in their exam.

Helloxoxo

eddie123 wrote: »

yea exactly,at the start of the year my teacher told us that there was such a high failure rate because of the institute,they get students who have just came to them to take it up when they only have a year to learn everything and they tell them that its easy,they dont teach it to them properly and their students fail as a result,but sure,we'll just have to find out in August wont we!

I understand the People who only take it for one year not doing well, but the teacher there is wonderful, his revision course was great and basically everything he predicted came up, especially in the art section, the statue, basilica etc he tipped them. But I think for essay questions people who only do it there mightn't understand how to do all the essays!!

F9Devil

eddie123 wrote: »

yea exactly,at the start of the year my teacher told us that there was such a high failure rate because of the institute,they get students who have just came to them to take it up when they only have a year to learn everything and they tell them that its easy,they don't teach it to them properly and their students fail as a result,but sure,we'll just have to find out in August wont we!

Heh. It never ceases to amaze me the rubbish other teachers will come up with to slander the Institute.

Most of my Classics class came from IOE 5th year (where we of course did classics) and the rest of the class were repeats who had done classics for at least their previous 6th year (if not 5th year).

In 5th year we had a very intimate, small class. Using the books (Arrian, Plutarch etc). Annotating and underlining with an essay every week. We used an overhead projector for A+A and had regular class tests. This teacher also layed heavy emphasis on essay writing skills.
In 6th year we had a new teacher, who used purely notes and overhead projectors. A weekly essay and regular tests. And, he predicted nearly the entire paper.

If you're under the impression we're not taught properly, and that we're the reason for the high failure rate you're in for a shock in August.

eddie123

Oh nop ive heard that the teachers in the institute are very good! I think what I ment was that people take up classics in 6th year because they dropped another subjects and they think that it will be easy,and of course it would be impossible to cover the whole course in a year,you get me?

eddie123

SeanMadd wrote: »

Do ye have classical studies subjects in school or do ye do them on your own? I kinda wanted to do it, seems interesting!

No the majority of people have teachers,it is very interesting!but if you wanted to take it up its a very big course with a lot of detail involved,you would need a teacher to help you with art and architecture and to help you with essays,you would also need a good set of notes for each topic as the classics books can be a bit challenging and difficult to understand,otherwise I would advise you to take it up,It's very enjoyable!and of course its easier to study something you enjoy,I would advise you to do alexander,the plays,and the two epics:) but if you are unable to take up u.do subject for the lc not could study the subjects in college in an arts degree in galway or in maynooth hope this helps!

Kelix

F9Devil wrote: »

Heh. It never ceases to amaze me the rubbish other teachers will come up with to slander the Institute.

Most of my Classics class came from IOE 5th year (where we of course did classics) and the rest of the class were repeats who had done classics for at least their previous 6th year (if not 5th year).

In 5th year we had a very intimate, small class. Using the books (Arrian, Plutarch etc). Annotating and underlining with an essay every week. We used an overhead projector for A+A and had regular class tests. This teacher also layed heavy emphasis on essay writing skills.
In 6th year we had a new teacher, who used purely notes and overhead projectors. A weekly essay and regular tests. And, he predicted nearly the entire paper.

If you're under the impression we're not taught properly, and that we're the reason for the high failure rate you're in for a shock in August.

What did he teach you about essays? I didn't have a teacher so I just taught myself. Confident in my A though. I mean the only emphasis I can think of is to analyze when it says too and to explain when it says too etc because I know someone people don't do that...

SeanMadd

eddie123 wrote: »

No the majority of people have teachers,it is very interesting!but if you wanted to take it up its a very big course with a lot of detail involved,you would need a teacher to help you with art and architecture and to help you with essays,you would also need a good set of notes for each topic as the classics books can be a bit challenging and difficult to understand,otherwise I would advise you to take it up,It's very enjoyable!and of course its easier to study something you enjoy,I would advise you to do alexander,the plays,and the two epics:) but if you are unable to take up u.do subject for the lc not could study the subjects in college in an arts degree in galway or in maynooth hope this helps!

I was just curious :pac: Just finished the LC on friday so don't think I'll be taking it up any time soon!

eddie123

Well my teacher taught us how to lay it out how long it should be depending on the question,to underline greek and roman words,if the question asked is quite broad what aspects to emphasis,he marked them out of 50 and then told us what we were missing and what to put in to make it 50 out of 50 etc just the usual really.

F9Devil

Kelix wrote: »

What did he teach you about essays?

Being "aggressively relevant". Basically he corrected our essays at college standard, an A was a big achievement. He took away marks for irrelevant material, and emphasized the question words and their meaning e.g. Account, Describe, Compare, Compare & Contrast... etc.

The importance of a leader sentence. Power words in characteristics; Ruthless, Compassionate.

Just the typical "How to write an essay" sort of stuff, enforced with an iron fist.

Underlining Greek and Roman(Latin) words? Jesus you poor man! The only Latin I know is primus inter pares.

eddie123

yea just words like : virtus-manly courage eros-negative love,hubris-vein pride,xenia-hospitality,paterfamilias-father theme,pius-duty,polytropic-many wits,piuty-dutiful,nemesis-karma,polis-society etc..

SlyBacon93

F9Devil wrote: »

Kelix wrote: »

What did he teach you about essays?

Being "aggressively relevant". Basically he corrected our essays at college standard, an A was a big achievement. He took away marks for irrelevant material, and emphasized the question words and their meaning e.g. Account, Describe, Compare, Compare & Contrast... etc.

The importance of a leader sentence. Power words in characteristics; Ruthless, Compassionate.

Just the typical "How to write an essay" sort of stuff, enforced with an iron fist.

Underlining Greek and Roman(Latin) words? Jesus you poor man! The only Latin I know is primus inter pares.

Wow my teacher taught us nothing like that, he just explained the material and that's about it. I've been getting A's in tests and an A2 in the mocks???

Helloxoxo

SlyBacon93 wrote: »

F9Devil wrote: »

Kelix wrote: »

What did he teach you about essays?

Being "aggressively relevant". Basically he corrected our essays at college standard, an A was a big achievement. He took away marks for irrelevant material, and emphasized the question words and their meaning e.g. Account, Describe, Compare, Compare & Contrast... etc.

The importance of a leader sentence. Power words in characteristics; Ruthless, Compassionate.

Just the typical "How to write an essay" sort of stuff, enforced with an iron fist.

Underlining Greek and Roman(Latin) words? Jesus you poor man! The only Latin I know is primus inter pares.

Wow my teacher taught us nothing like that, he just explained the material and that's about it. I've been getting A's in tests and an A2 in the mocks???

To be honest I don't understand why you'd be doing stuff like underlining greek and latin words it sounds a bit excessive. I've had 3 classics teachers and even the best one didn't do that kind of thing and most of us got good marks in the mocks
Although I do agree you need to know what they're asking in give and account, or state the similarities/differences, compare/contrast etc

F9Devil

Classics mocks give no indication on what you get, seriously. I got 96% in my mock, half my class got over 90% and someone even got 100%. Ridiculous. It's all about essay writing and rigidly sticking to the question asked