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SOLUTIONS Maths HL Paper 1

  • 08-06-2012 7:14pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭


    Solutions to 1,2,6,7,8. The rest coming tomorrow.

    **Disclaimer: I'm not a maths teacher or in any way involved in the marking. I'm simply going into 3rd year maths at Trinity College, in my LC got A2 in maths and physics and A1 in Applied maths. There may possibly be mistakes in my solutions. I'm not a machine. If you spot something, please say so.
    They will not appear on your screen and you will have to click a link to view/download them, so no one is forcing to to view them. You do so at your own discretion.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Maybe_Memories


    And the rest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭DepoProvera


    Solutions to 1,2,6,7,8. The rest coming tomorrow.

    **Disclaimer: I'm not a maths teacher or in any way involved in the marking. I'm simply going into 3rd year maths at Trinity College, in my LC got A2 in maths and physics and A1 in Applied maths. There may possibly be mistakes in my solutions. I'm not a machine. If you spot something, please say so.
    They will not appear on your screen and you will have to click a link to view/download them, so no one is forcing to to view them. You do so at your own discretion.

    EDIT: DERP I'm stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Maybe_Memories


    Forgot to check answers in 2a) 1/2 isn't a possible solution :)

    From what I can see it is. LHS is root 4 and RHS is -2 which is correct.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Wesc.


    For 8 (a) the integral of cosx is +sinx I think :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Raeone


    Any chance ya want to do the same for the ordinary level??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 lemonz


    From what I can see it is. LHS is root 4 and RHS is -2 which is correct.

    Thanks for these, really reassuring. Would you lose marks for getting the two solutions and then rejecting the 1/2 afterwards or would they penalize it? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Mista


    Hmm... for 1c(i), can you prove x = t/k is a root, therefore kx - t is a factor?

    And in 2c(ii), can you sustitute in -x?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Maybe_Memories


    Wesc. wrote: »
    For 8 (a) the integral of cosx is +sinx I think :)

    Yes it is indeed. :o

    This also means in b the answer should be (pi-4)/16

    Apologies!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭DepoProvera


    ahhahaha I'm a ****ing retard...! So sorry! Well I guess that question is out the window so :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 Dazaq


    Could u do 2c(iii)by squaring both sides


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Maybe_Memories


    Raeone wrote: »
    Any chance ya want to do the same for the ordinary level??

    Yeah I'll do it over the weekend!
    lemonz wrote: »
    Thanks for these, really reassuring. Would you lose marks for getting the two solutions and then rejecting the 1/2 afterwards or would they penalize it? :rolleyes:

    No idea, like I said, not a teacher/involved with marking. :p
    Mista wrote: »
    Hmm... for 1c(i), can you prove x = t/k is a root, therefore kx - t is a factor?

    And in 2c(ii), can you sustitute in -x?

    I'm afraid not, since in part i you don't know that the thing is equal to zero.

    I'm not really sure about your second question tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Wesc.


    Awh man I feel bad now :P Y'know for your integration (c) (ii)? I think you might of made a tiny error in that in calculating the area under the curve, you accidentily omitted the "2" where: 2ka = 2kroot(k)... you just said krootk.


    Thanks for these though much appreciated!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭cocopopsxx


    For 1 c (i) I said x=t/k then sub it in the equation and got 0=0. Would that be correct as well?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 sarahmocks


    Solutions to 1,2,6,7,8. The rest coming tomorrow.

    **Disclaimer: I'm not a maths teacher or in any way involved in the marking. I'm simply going into 3rd year maths at Trinity College, in my LC got A2 in maths and physics and A1 in Applied maths. There may possibly be mistakes in my solutions. I'm not a machine. If you spot something, please say so.
    They will not appear on your screen and you will have to click a link to view/download them, so no one is forcing to to view them. You do so at your own discretion.

    For question 2b part two, i didnt multiply across by 5 at the very end, will i lose many marks? :/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭leaveiton


    Thank you, this is really appreciated! You're very kind to do this :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Maybe_Memories


    Dazaq wrote: »
    Could u do 2c(iii)by squaring both sides

    Yup!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭emmamurphy233


    There are definitely two mistakes there. One in the alpha/beta question and in 8b)ii you didn't multiply properly! I made the same mistake in the exam, good thing I noticed it! Thanks! I reckon I got 245 marks. Kind of disappointed but what can ya do! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Maybe_Memories


    Mista wrote: »
    Hmm... for 1c(i), can you prove x = t/k is a root, therefore kx - t is a factor?

    Actually scratch what I last said if you show that x=t/k makes the whole thing 0 then yes you can say its a root and hence kx-t is a factor! :D
    cocopopsxx wrote: »
    For 1 c (i) I said x=t/k then sub it in the equation and got 0=0. Would that be correct as well?

    See above!
    sarahmocks wrote: »
    For question 2b part two, i didnt multiply across by 5 at the very end, will i lose many marks? :/

    You wont lose any, there both equally valid ways of writing it. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭finality


    I'm afraid not, since in part i you don't know that the thing is equal to zero.

    But if it's a root it will equal zero when subbed in. I'd say that's a valid method, I did it in the exam and it gave 0, though I also did long division just in case.

    edit: you beat me to it :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Mista


    Actually scratch what I last said if you show that x=t/k makes the whole thing 0 then yes you can say its a root and hence kx-t is a factor! :D

    Yaay! :D Cheers :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭RedTexan


    Where did the two come from in the last integration question after integrating?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭cocopopsxx


    Actually scratch what I last said if you show that x=t/k makes the whole thing 0 then yes you can say its a root and hence kx-t is a factor! :D



    See above!



    You wont lose any, there both equally valid ways of writing it. :)

    Okay, yay, I was worried about it. Thank you.

    And sorry bothering you again and but you know in 1 (b) (ii) where we had to find the cubic equation? I did it exactly the same way as you did and got the same answer but a few people in the other thread got a different answer so I was a bit worried but this will be an acceptable way ya? :o

    Thanks a million for the solutions, appreciate your effort! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Maybe_Memories


    RedTexan wrote: »
    Where did the two come from in the last integration question after integrating?

    The two tangents are symmetric so the area under both of them is equal to the 2(area under one of them). :smile:
    cocopopsxx wrote: »
    Okay, yay, I was worried about it. Thank you.

    And sorry bothering you again and but you know in 1 (b) (ii) where we had to find the cubic equation? I did it exactly the same way as you did and got the same answer but a few people in the other thread got a different answer so I was a bit worried but this will be an acceptable way ya? :o

    Thanks a million for the solutions, appreciate your effort! :)

    I honestly can't think of any other possible way of doing it, but this way is definitely right. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭cocopopsxx



    I honestly can't think of any other possible way of doing it, but this way is definitely right. :)

    Okay, thank you. (: Feeling much better after the solutions, waiting for Q5 now. Thanks a ton! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 Dazaq


    in the alpha and beta question,i do believe u made mistake wen getting the product of the 2 new roots ,the answer should be 4 not 6


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭RedTexan


    The two tangents are symmetric so the area under both of them is equal to the 2(area under one of them). :smile:



    I honestly can't think of any other possible way of doing it, but this way is definitely right. :)
    In such a case should your limits not be a and zero and not a and minus a? I think that might be a mistake? You subtracted the 3k root k instead of 2k root k. I think the correct answer is 2k root k over 3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Dicksboro_man


    in 1bii what i did for my new roots was:

    (x+2)-1= x+1

    (x-1) -1= x-2

    (x-3)-1= x-4

    Am i wrong yeah? :-/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Maybe_Memories


    Dazaq wrote: »
    in the alpha and beta question,i do believe u made mistake wen getting the product of the 2 new roots ,the answer should be 4 not 6

    Yeah I know it's been mentioned already. :o
    RedTexan wrote: »
    In such a case should your limits not be a and zero and not a and minus a? I think that might be a mistake?

    No, because the area under f(x) is still to be taken between -a and a, then you subtract the area under the tangents which is 2(area under one of them).

    You had me scared for a minute. :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭RedTexan


    No actually you dropped the 2 from infront of 2ka once you substituted for root k


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭emmamurphy233


    I have a question about 8c)ii. I got the area by getting the curves area between a and -a, then subtracted the areas of the two equal right angled triangles that can be made if you draw a line down from the points of intersection to the x-axis. Is this a valid method?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭Epsi


    Solution for B part ii) question 2 is incorrect. 5 + 1/5 - 6/5 should be 4 , not 6.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Spattersonox


    It's good to see what i was supposed to do but bad to see the FCUKING ridiculous mistakes i made :L


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Maybe_Memories


    RedTexan wrote: »
    No actually you dropped the 2 from infront of 2ka once you substituted for root k


    The area under the curve is 2/3a^3/2 + krootk
    Under 2 tangents its 2krootk

    So under curve - under tangents gives you 2/3a^3/2 - krootk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭Epsi


    my apologies , maybe memories ,I see its been pointed out already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Maybe_Memories


    I have a question about 8c)ii. I got the area by getting the curves area between a and -a, then subtracted the areas of the two equal right angled triangles that can be made if you draw a line down from the points of intersection to the x-axis. Is this a valid method?

    Not fully sure what you mean?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭RedTexan


    The area under the curve is 2/3a^3/2 + krootk
    Under 2 tangents its 2krootk

    So under curve - under tangents gives you 2/3a^3/2 - krootk
    the area under the curve is 2/3 k^3/2 + 2kroot(k) it's in your solution, you just dropped the two by accident


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 Osric


    Maybe_Memories

    In your solution to 8cii, you have the area under the curve to 2/3a^3+2ka.
    Then from that you replace the a with rootK, but you're getting 2/3k^3/2+krootK. Where did the 2 (in 2ka) go? I think it should be 2krootK. Then, when you take from that the area of the two triangle (2krootK), you'll get 2/3k^3/2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭Adolescenteen


    I have a question about 8c)ii. I got the area by getting the curves area between a and -a, then subtracted the areas of the two equal right angled triangles that can be made if you draw a line down from the points of intersection to the x-axis. Is this a valid method?


    I did the same as yourself. Had to rush it a bit because I did an extra question, but hopeful I got some marks for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭Epsi


    Don't know if it's been pointed out , in question 8 b ii) integrating -cos4x gives you -Sin4x/4. 1/4 x 1/2 should also be 1/8. Making the final answer ( pi - 2 )/16 .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭amymak


    Thanks a million for putting these up, it really reassures me to see them. I think I got all my methods right, just the odd slip or blunder in a couple of places.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Maybe_Memories


    RedTexan wrote: »
    the area under the curve is 2/3 k^3/2 + 2kroot(k) it's in your solution, you just dropped the two by accident
    Osric wrote: »
    Maybe_Memories

    In your solution to 8cii, you have the area under the curve to 2/3a^3+2ka.
    Then from that you replace the a with rootK, but you're getting 2/3k^3/2+krootK. Where did the 2 (in 2ka) go? I think it should be 2krootK. Then, when you take from that the area of the two triangle (2krootK), you'll get 2/3k^3/2

    Sorry, I get what you mean, you're both correct. Sorry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭earwax_man


    Oh my God, I'm so much happier now; a B in maths IS possible :') THANK YOU!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Maybe_Memories


    As you can all see the methods are all correct, however there are a few slips/blunders. Nothing major, I'd say if I handed in these solutions I would've lost about 15 marks max. Still in A1 land. :p
    I know it can be frustrating since you all want to know how well you did, but please bare in mind I'm a human, not a machine, so please excuse the little mistakes. :)

    If you find any more though please say so!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭Adolescenteen


    As you can all see the methods are all correct, however there are a few slips/blunders. Nothing major, I'd say if I handed in these solutions I would've lost about 15 marks max. Still in A1 land. :p
    I know it can be frustrating since you all want to know how well you did, but please bare in mind I'm a human, not a machine, so please excuse the little mistakes. :)

    If you find any more though please say so!

    By the way, thank you putting these up. It is very much appreciated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭homolumo


    I have a question about 8c)ii. I got the area by getting the curves area between a and -a, then subtracted the areas of the two equal right angled triangles that can be made if you draw a line down from the points of intersection to the x-axis. Is this a valid method?

    As far as I can see that is what the OP did too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭Tankosaur


    lemonz wrote: »
    Thanks for these, really reassuring. Would you lose marks for getting the two solutions and then rejecting the 1/2 afterwards or would they penalize it? :rolleyes:

    Technically the root of 4 has to be 2.

    Don't know why but it's only when you have x^2 =4
    then x= -2 or x=2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭finality


    Tankosaur wrote: »
    Technically the root of 4 has to be 2.

    Don't know why but it's only when you have x^2 =4
    then x= -2 or x=2

    Fairly sure this is correct. Sucks, because I didn't cancel 1/2 in the exam :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭tacofries


    Solutions to 1,2,6,7,8. The rest coming tomorrow.

    **Disclaimer: I'm not a maths teacher or in any way involved in the marking. I'm simply going into 3rd year maths at Trinity College, in my LC got A2 in maths and physics and A1 in Applied maths. There may possibly be mistakes in my solutions. I'm not a machine. If you spot something, please say so.
    They will not appear on your screen and you will have to click a link to view/download them, so no one is forcing to to view them. You do so at your own discretion.

    *Q2. b. ii. -the 4th line should be equal to 4 not 6??
    Is 6. a. ii. definitely right? I messed pretty stupid if it is! i thought "a" is always equal to 1

    I know your in college, but what did you think of the standard of the paper!? it wasnt the worst but there was tricky parts all the same,. i say i got a b3 partly due to bad question picking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭Chavways


    I'm desperately trying to ignore this.Had a look at 1a and found out I got the a value wrong.I'm afraid to read anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭RedTexan


    For question 6 (c) (ii) was f'(x)=8cos^2(2x)+8cos(2x)+4? And for getting this far and making an equation with y=cos(2x) but going no further how many marks do ye reckon I'd get? I know it's anybody's guess, but just for a small bit of peace of mind!


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