john halligans silence on mick wallace....

Smiley Burnett

and his tax dodging speaks volumes in my opinion.

United left alliance???!!! Bull of the highest order!!!!

Cabaal

I honestly don't see how anybody is supporting Mick Wallace at all,

People complain about TD's not being upstanding but here we have a chap that owes loads of people money including everyone one of us as he hasn't paid revenue the VAT.

waterford

Sorry to hear John is suffering with laryngitis from the
his singing at Micks going away party last night
"Silence is Golden" or was
is it "Stand by your Man Mick"

thomasm

Cabaal wrote: »

I honestly don't see how anybody is supporting Mick Wallace at all,

People complain about TD's not being upstanding but here we have a chap that owes loads of people money including everyone one of us as he hasn't paid revenue the VAT.

What really annoys me is that he is currently on his way to the Euros for all the group games with members of his family while the Dail(his job)is still sitting and his company owes all that money to the country.

Finnbar01

What about your man who got 6 years for exporting garlic instead of apples and therefore avoiding tax?

Will Mick get the same?

Black Suir

Cabaal wrote: »

I honestly don't see how anybody is supporting Mick Wallace at all,

People complain about TD's not being upstanding but here we have a chap that owes loads of people money including everyone one of us as he hasn't paid revenue the VAT.

To think he is taking what, about €100,000 a year in wages and expenses and all he owes the country. If he was a man he would be the cause of a bye election in Wexford and anounce that he would not take a pension for the time he served as a td.

Black Suir

thomasm wrote: »

What really annoys me is that he is currently on his way to the Euros for all the group games with members of his family while the Dail(his job)is still sitting and his company owes all that money to the country.

He should be cut for every day he is out of the country. I know it would be pittence, but it would be a start.

Hoffmans

when yer finished mick bashing ,heres a few things to keep in mind he contributed millions to wexford ,has paid over 14million in taxes already since 2004, he held back a couple of million to try save the business and pay off what creditors he could ,when at the same time the FF effers were overseeing billions being lost into the abyss they created.....

dougal

Yeah leave Mick Wallace alone sure he can't even afford a haircut!

mike65

Hoffmans wrote: »

when yer finished mick bashing ,heres a few things to keep in mind he contributed millions to wexford ,has paid over 14million in taxes already since 2004, he held back a couple of million to try save the business and pay off what creditors he could ,when at the same time the FF effers were overseeing billions being lost into the abyss they created.....

By that reasoning everyone on this thread board might as well not bother paying any taxes in perpetuity.

marlin vs

I WANT A PINK SHIRT AND I WANT IT NOW!! I WISH I HAD HAIR AS WELL can ye hear me!

Smiley Burnett

Hoffmans wrote: »

when yer finished mick bashing ,heres a few things to keep in mind he contributed millions to wexford ,has paid over 14million in taxes already since 2004, he held back a couple of million to try save the business and pay off what creditors he could ,when at the same time the FF effers were overseeing billions being lost into the abyss they created.....

he contributed millions alright!! all borrowed on the back of an unsustainable property bubble, which he embraced with open arms!! But dont worry because the taxpayer i.e. YOU and ME, has taken up the tab for mick and his cronies, whilst he swans around poland and ukraine at EURO 2012!!!

just because he wears pink shirts doesnt make him any different from the gangsters wearing charvet shirts!!!

SICKENING TO HEAR MING LAST NIGHT USE HIS WEASEL WORDS AND SAY THAT WALLACE WAS "ONE OF THE NICEST PEOPLE YOU COULD MEET"! (They still say that about ronnie kray in the east end of london!!)

Cabaal

I always find it amusing that people say he's a very nice person, thats all very fine and well but lots of people were considered very nice. Sure Bertie is a great example, people loved the chap but that didn't mean he didn't do anything wrong.

Just because Mick may be nice and gave jobs through the boom does not in anyway forgive what he's done, plenty of property lads gave people jobs but owed millions and Mick is no different to them.

He is unsuitable to be a TD no matter how nice he is, if he can pay his debts then he can stay a TD but if not then he needs to step down.

fricatus

Cabaal wrote: »

He is unsuitable to be a TD no matter how nice he is, if he can pay his debts then he can stay a TD but if not then he needs to step down.

In fairness it's not about whether he can pay his debts, it's about the fact that he didn't pay his VAT, which is a criminal offence. He should have paid his taxes, whatever else was going on - yes it's tough if your business is going south, but I can forgive someone whose business is in difficulty having to lay people off or being declared bankrupt.

What I can't forgive is a millionaire not paying his taxes. If he doesn't pay his share, then why the hell should I pay mine? Oh sorry, it's deducted at source, which is of course the way it is for the little people! :mad:

Bards

Mick says that his company owes the revenue and not himself, and that his company is a limited liability company.

Now if memory serves me correct, Limited Liability is only there for a company that gets into difficulties through normal trading.

A company that knowingly brakes the law, then the Limited Liability becomes null and void.

He should be persoanlly held to account for all of the €2M+ he owes you and me!!

instead we are being asked to stump up even more money to pay for his largesse.

No wonder this country is Bankrupt - Both Financially and Morally.

invalid

Bards wrote: »

Mick says that his company owes the revenue and not himself, and that his company is a limited liability company.

Now if memory serves me correct, Limited Liability is only there for a company that gets into difficulties through normal trading.

A company that knowingly brakes the law, then the Limited Liability becomes null and void.

He should be persoanlly held to account for all of the €2M+ he owes you and me!!

instead we are being asked to stump up even more money to pay for his largesse.

No wonder this country is Bankrupt - Both Financially and Morally.

He was the director and he signed the declaration. Under the law he will be responsible for the debt and the crime. Limited Liability does not extend to taxes, plus VAT is not an income tax or a tax on profits. It is a tax that the company collects from us the consumer on behalf of the government.

Also this is also the man who cared so much for his workers that at the same time he was deducting pension contributions from wages and not paying them into the pension fund was giving himself and his son a 100% pay rise to over €250,000.

He is no better than CJ and his fancy shirts.

decies

Halligan on WLR in next ten mins or so .

Black Suir

Wait for the bull

Silverado

John Halligan has just stated on WLR that he will be calling on Mick Wallace to resign. He also says that he should endeavour to pay whatever what he can from his current resources to the Revenue Commissioners.

This would be an honourable way to depart and not taking his family off on holidays to the Euros in Poland. This is thumbing his nose to the Irish people and those who elected him in Wexford.

Siamsa Sessions

Here's a statistic for Mick and the rest of the South-East TDs to mull over while they're on their summer holidays:



Source: http://notesonthefront.typepad.com/politicaleconomy/2012/06/the-tide-is-rising-the-boat-is-leaking.html

Chiparus

I wonder des Willie o"Dea have anything to say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne38vIELzNI&feature=related

Black Suir

Silverado wrote: »

John Halligan has just stated on WLR that he will be calling on Mick Wallace to resign. He also says that he should endeavour to pay whatever what he can from his current resources to the Revenue Commissioners.

This would be an honourable way to depart and not taking his family off on holidays to the Euros in Poland. This is thumbing his nose to the Irish people and those who elected him in Wexford.

Had to laugh when he said that Mick Wallace was a decent man. (May not be the exact words he used). He gave a few examples. If Mick Wallace is a decent man for not paying his taxes, or at least trying to pay them, then i wonder does he think Bertie Ahearn is a decent man. Mick may have done good for his area, and so did Bertie. Both however will be remembered for the wrong reasons.

goat2

listning to the radio today, people in his own area think he is a brilliant decent person who has done alot of good, and there was a man also who worked for him for more than 20 yrs who had great praise for the man,
so it is the people who know him personally who elected him in the first place have nothing but respect for him

Black Suir

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Here's a statistic for Mick and the rest of the South-East TDs to mull over while they're on their summer holidays:



Source: http://notesonthefront.typepad.com/politicaleconomy/2012/06/the-tide-is-rising-the-boat-is-leaking.html

Maybe our TD's and Councillors should forget about arguing if Waterford City and County should be merged, should part of South Kilkenny he taken in Waterford, should South and North Tipp be merged etc, and get together as a group and work together united as a group to get something done to rectify this stat. There is too much them and us with out elected reps in the South East.

Black Suir

goat2 wrote: »

listning to the radio today, people in his own area think he is a brilliant decent person who has done alot of good, and there was a man also who worked for him for more than 20 yrs who had great praise for the man,
so it is the people who know him personally who elected him in the first place have nothing but respect for him

Thats whats wrong with Ireland. We vote for Johnny or Mary because we know them and we dont like Paddy or his party so we dont vote for him. We should be voting for the best people to represent us. In the main, the people in the South East at local and national elections are doing this.

johnnykilo

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Here's a statistic for Mick and the rest of the South-East TDs to mull over while they're on their summer holidays:



Source: http://notesonthefront.typepad.com/politicaleconomy/2012/06/the-tide-is-rising-the-boat-is-leaking.html

Saw this the other day too: http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1024443.shtml (second last article) shows that 80% of Direct Foreign Investment goes to Dublin, Cork and Galway. While the forgotten cities of Limerick and Waterford got 8.8% (between them) of all the FDI in the last decade. It was obvious I'm sure to anyone in Waterford, all you had to do was look around, but at least the stats are there now and have been published. Hopefully those idiots we've elected can now start doing something to address the problem, although I wouldn't hold my breath!

The Irish Times also reports that the National Spatial Strategy is not working, with almost 80 per cent of jobs created by new foreign firms in the last decade being located in Dublin, Cork and Galway, a conference at the ESRI will be told today.

With these three cities also accounting for 62 per cent of job gains in existing foreign firms and less than half of job losses, their share of all foreign employment rose markedly, from 49 per cent to 58 per cent, over the period.

In relation to newly-established foreign firms in the last decade, of the eight spatial strategy gateways (excluding Dublin) only Cork and Galway managed to increase their share of inward investment.

The other six, which between them accounted for 15.9 per cent of foreign employment in 2001, only attracted 7 per cent of employment in new foreign plants.

Economic geographers Chris van Egeraat and Proinnsias Breathnacht from NUI Maynooth are expected to tell the conference that this level of concentration in just three cities shows that the objectives of the spatial strategy are not being met.

According to the geographers, foreign firms investing for the first time have a key role to play in meeting regional policy objectives as they are more flexible in choosing locations for new investment compared to existing foreign firms. Indigenous Irish firms also tend to expand in existing locations.

Speaking to The Irish Times yesterday, Dr van Egeraat said: “Existing firms are less influenced by incentives driven by the National Spatial Strategy as they are already in their location. That is why new foreign firms will play a key role.

“You have to create investment in places to make them attractive for foreign direct investment. Places such as Waterford and Limerick have not received that boost.”

He said these cities represented 8.8 per cent of all foreign employment in 2001, but attracted only 2.8 per cent of employment in new foreign firms while losing 40.5 per cent of their existing foreign employment.

The spatial strategy was published in 2002 as a blueprint for economic and social development within the State over the following 20 years.

It designated nine “gateways” – consisting of the State’s cities as well as the towns of Dundalk and Sligo and the linked gateways of Letterkenny/Derry and the midland towns of Athlone/Tullamore/Mullingar – as preferred places for growth.

These gateways were to be supported by “hubs” such as Killarney, Ennis, Tuam and Kilkenny, which would help channel growth to the regions.

The strategy sought to divert investment from Dublin to the gateways and hubs. However, Dublin alone, with 35 per cent of all foreign employment in 2001, has attracted 53 per cent of jobs in new foreign firms since then.

CantGetNoSleep

Hoffmans wrote: »

when yer finished mick bashing ,heres a few things to keep in mind he contributed millions to wexford ,has paid over 14million in taxes already since 2004, he held back a couple of million to try save the business and pay off what creditors he could ,when at the same time the FF effers were overseeing billions being lost into the abyss they created.....

Anyone could pay €14m in taxes if they borrowed €40m you clown

honeybadger

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

Anyone could pay €14m in taxes if they borrowed €40m you clown

jeas someone was a bit saucy early in the day there,would ya relax boy

AdMMM

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

and his tax dodging speaks volumes in my opinion.

United left alliance???!!! Bull of the highest order!!!!

And the silence of your party colleagues doesn't speak volumes?

goat2

Hoffmans wrote: »

when yer finished mick bashing ,heres a few things to keep in mind he contributed millions to wexford ,has paid over 14million in taxes already since 2004, he held back a couple of million to try save the business and pay off what creditors he could ,when at the same time the FF effers were overseeing billions being lost into the abyss they created.....

and here is another,
i would say that he had a big staff, which he paid and looked after,
also, i dont beleive that the man that called garlic apples in paper to get a lower vat rate, should be in jail, it is wrong to have put him in jail, he gave employment to many, and anyway why the huge vat hike in garlic, when it can be grown right here at home,

as for getting the monies owed to the tax, they should be put on an instalment of so much per week or month until it is all paid back, because in these bad times, things should be kept moving and most importantly, keep the dole ques as short as possible,

letsbet

Yeah, the fookers in the banks shouldn't be held accountable for any of their carry on either as they gaves loads of people jobs!

Hoffmans

with all the badgering ,
the fact remains that micks accounting own goal, is peanuts compared to the real bankster gangsters that have bankrupt eire inc.
the likes of fianna fail+ their banking cronies+ their developer cronies+ their estate agent cronies + their solicitor cronies & not least the eurocrat moneylenders.........

Fair play to him the monies he juggled to help pay local suppliers and staff wages was a fair move rather than having it going into the imf coffers, there is no state monies anymore incase everyone on this thread board has been asleep since the arrival of the troica......... tax is simply not "our" money anymore........

wellboytoo

Mick's a decent guy always was,let ye without sin cast the first stone, ye shower of <snip>.

dvpower

Hoffmans wrote: »

with all the badgering ,
the fact remains that micks accounting own goal, is peanuts compared to the real bankster gangsters that have bankrupt eire inc.

That's one way of spinning it.:rolleyes:

letsbet

wellboytoo wrote: »

Mick's a decent guy always was,let ye without sin cast the first stone, ye shower of ****.

Exactly. He was the one in the Dail trying to hold the govt to account and giving out about bankers etc. He was far from without sin and had no moral authority to preach to anyone. That's not to even mention the fact that he doesn't have a clue about any of the stuff he spouts on about. Not sure why you feel all of us are sinners as well as ****.

Bards

wellboytoo wrote: »

Mick's a decent guy always was,let ye without sin cast the first stone, ye shower of ****.

Doubling his & his sons salary while at the same time filling false Tax returns is not the act of a "Decent Guy"

kittymiss

ah poor ole mick, hes like tom murphy now, out on his own.
with the dail hobos honing in on him and blowing off steam , it is looking like an attempt to distract the media from the two 5 billion promissory notes they intend to pay on 26th of june, one for the old insolvent anglo, and the other for fingletons irish nationwide, thats a nice cool 10 billion or 10,000,000,000€ going back to the gamblers for their "lost"bets..

membersonly

wellboytoo wrote: »

Mick's a decent guy always was,let ye without sin cast the first stone, ye shower of ****.

An insightful, profound post. You've really made me think about all of this differently, ever thought of going into political journalism? You could really make a difference.

goat2

Bards wrote: »

Doubling his & his sons salary while at the same time filling false Tax returns is not the act of a "Decent Guy"

has this really been the case, so what was he allowing he himself keep per week, and how much was his son receiving per week, and what position did his son hold in the company.

wellboytoo

wellboytoo wrote: »

Mick's a decent guy always was,let ye without sin cast the first stone, ye shower of <snip>.

BMHL
In vino veritas

mike65

goat2 wrote: »

has this really been the case, so what was he allowing he himself keep per week, and how much was his son receiving per week, and what position did his son hold in the company.

Wallace and his son were both directors, they took out about 300,000 in the year before the company went tits up. Twice the amount of the previous year. You'd think they'd have been tightening their belts in 2008.

christmas2012

canonise mick now

Max Powers

I would prefer to see him shot from a cannon. Hes a crook who decepted most of wexford into thinking he was a decent skin, the pay double, not paying his taxes, making no attempt to pay ....

anbodhran

Do people really think Wallace is that bad? A bit naive.

Comparisons with Bertie et al - Bertie was engaged in systematic corruption for God knows how long. A good decade at least. In doing so he abused his position of power, which led to bad decision making, particularly in relation to planning. We will have to live with the consequences of this corruption for decades.

Wallace was a company director who made a incorrect VAT return. This is not uncommon. There are hundreds who do it and get caught every year, and about one every three months of a similar size of Wallace's company. Wallace wasn't even caught, he brought it to the attention of Revenue.

Personally, although I can see the reasons why he did it, I still believe he is wrong, but people need to be aware that the vitriol being directed at him should be shared around far more equally. If he hadn't gone into politics none of us would be discussing this.

Bards

anbodhran wrote: »

If he hadn't gone into politics none of us would be discussing this.

That's the problem, he put himself before the people of Wexford as a person of high moral standards and campaigned that he would do things differently, and try and end corruption.

All this while knowingly filling false VAT returns.

anbodhran

Bards wrote: »

That's the problem, he put himself before the people of Wexford as a person of high moral standards and campaigned that he would do things differently, and try and end corruption.

All this while knowingly filling false VAT returns.

Sure what are we worrying about the people of Wexford for so? If they want to keep him and return him that's their own business.

anbodhran

And just to further back up my point with perfect timing, Revenue have published their latest quarterly list, and Wallace's company is the second largest defaulter for the first three months of the year.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0612/mick-wallace-td-2nd-on-list-of-biggest-defaulters.html

Nypd

Some of the replies here make me cringe,
Wallace is a politician, he has screwed us by filling false returns.
Remove him from the Dail now, get him to court and leave the law deal with him.
This BS attitude of a sure he is a grand lad has to stop.
If we put our politicians before the courts it will make them think twice before they act.
In the UK the minute this story broke he would be made resign, it's a joke that he is still holding a seat :mad:

Bards

anbodhran wrote: »

Sure what are we worrying about the people of Wexford for so? If they want to keep him and return him that's their own business.

...But it's my taxes that is paying his Salary... That's My Business and I don't like it one single bit.:mad:

MadsL

goat2 wrote: »

and here is another,
i would say that he had a big staff, which he paid and looked after,

It never ceases to amaze me that all you have to do to get a get out of jail free card in Ireland is to employ a few people. You could bugger the Pope if you had a few lads on the payroll. What the F is wrong with people that they are so blind to chancers? It is your country they are screwing lads.

anbodhran

Bards wrote: »

...But it's my taxes that is paying his Salary... That's My Business and I don't like it one single bit.:mad:

He is paid to represent the people of Wexford. Like it or not the people of Waterford have little business with that.

For the same reason people like Michael Lowry are in office, and is consistently returned to office by the people of North Tipp despite repeated scandal and 'profoundly corrupt behaviour" which was highlighted in the Moriarty Tribunal. Corruption as a politician is far worse than anything else in my opinion.

Not only was Lowry's company fined over €1 million following a Revenue audit, but Lowry have to settle for €200,000 for evasion of personal taxes. Despite this he topped the polls in the last election.