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New Zealand v Ireland, 1st test, Eden Park 2012 *Mod Warning Post 1 and 1220*
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07-06-2012 7:41am#1
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Farrelly wrote an article this morning on the game from 1992 where we lost by three points.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/remembering-boys-of-92-who-rattled-the-kiwis-3131445.html
It's up on youtube.
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The pack picks itself - although I'm still worried about DOC on the bench, I'd like to see McCarthy given another shot. Also and I'd have D. Kearns because he can cover FB also, but wouldn't be disappointed with Gilroy either. Having a center on the bench is stupid tbh. Although having said that I'm obviously happy Cave is going to get a run out (as I'm sure we'll be 20 points down with 20 minutes left, he should get a run out regardless).
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Makes perfect sense no?
Injury at Wing/Fullback, Cave to 12 Earls to W/FB
Injury to Center, Cave to Center!
All back positions covered!
Kidney has named a strog team with a mix of youth and experience, gives new caps to 2 players. Starts McFadden. Picks Touhy, and has Cave on the Bench. Doesn't start DOC and is still criticized.
We'll get wiped by the All Blacks anyway tbh, no matter what Kidney does, so he might as well experiment.
Also, someone asked why McFadden wasn't at 12 and Earls at 14. I think its to do with NZ's center combination being so abrasive, and McFadden not being renouned for his tackling. I know people have issues with Earls' tackling as well, but he rarely falls off a Head to Head tackle, like you would see at 12. He can miss tackles, around the outside (like Tuilagi's pre-WC), which is more about timing IMO.
Its an experiment anyway and Im glad to see the team that is named.0 -
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Makes perfect sense no?
Injury at Wing/Fullback, Cave to 12 Earls to W/FB
Injury to Center, Cave to Center!
All back positions covered!
Kidney has named a strog team with a mix of youth and experience, gives new caps to 2 players. Starts McFadden. Picks Touhy, and has Cave on the Bench. Doesn't start DOC and is still criticized.
We'll get wiped by the All Blacks anyway tbh, no matter what Kidney does, so he might as well experiment.
Also, someone asked why McFadden wasn't at 12 and Earls at 14. I think its to do with NZ's center combination being so abrasive, and McFadden not being renouned for his tackling. I know people have issues with Earls' tackling as well, but he rarely falls off a Head to Head tackle, like you would see at 12. He can miss tackles, around the outside (like Tuilagi's pre-WC), which is more about timing IMO.
Its an experiment anyway and Im glad to see the team that is named.
I dunno, you're right, but I just prefer to have someone that's more versatile in the 22 shirt.
I'm not going to hold back just because he benches DOC. :P That's like applauding a toilet for flushing ... two years later.
I'll be genuinely interested at Earls at 12, but I just think he could've picked a far superior team with Cave and BOD on the field and Earls at 11 with a bit of space. I fear for Zebo tbh.0 -
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Surprised by the amount of negativity generally about this selection. I'm no Kidney apologist, and there'll always be 50/50 selections and/or players picked to suit a particular game-plan, but credit where its due on a bold selection. Remember this is a 3 test series so there'll certainly be changes for the 2nd and 3rd tests.
Am I right in saying that BOD is the only player in that starting 15 over 30? (Best is 29??) When's the last time we could say that about an Irish team?
Reality here is we'll be doing well to come close to the blacks in one or two of the games with our injury list and the depth of quality they have, Kidney could have very easily used that as an excuse to pick the old dogs, but he hasn't, and while its frustratingly erratic after the shambles of only starting 18 different players in the 6n, it would be nice if people would give some of the younger guys space to find their feet at this level instead of slating them before they even start just because its Kidney that's picking them.. I think most people are happy there is at last change in the team, even if they don't agree with all the selections, I don't think anybody is really being "slated". 0 -
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I am pleasantly surprised by the 22 that has been picked. I disagreed with much of the original touring squad but I think that he is doing the best with what he has with this selection.
Earls and BOD excites me in midfield. We have lacked a real line breaking threat here for the last few years and I think that Earls could provide this. BOD is still world class, but clean linebreaks are something which you don't expect from him anymore. But he has all the intelligence and class required to unleash those around him, which is why I think its great that he will probably be playing at 12. You want him on the ball as much as possible and his partnership with Sexton has serious playmaking potential.
In the absence of POC, Ryan and Tuohy are our 2 best locks and therefore it is the correct partnership (honestly wasn't expecting it though).
Backrow is spot on, including McLaughlin on the bench who is a better player than Henry. I know Henry has a lot of fans on here however, and I'm sure he will get a chance in the remaining tests.
Having said all that you would have to be a little worried about Zebo and Fitzpatrick. There aren't many who make their international debuts against the best team in the world, a team which is arguably stronger than the one which won the world cup, and I hope people will keep this in mind before being excessively critical of them if things go pear-shaped for these lads (which is a strong possibility). I know there are a lot of rugby followers who are just waiting for a chance to put the boot into Zebo.
I'm looking forward to these games, but at the same time it would be a shock to me if we managed to win one. To do that I think we would need Ferris, POC, Bowe, Ross and Fitzgerald in full fitness. Still though, I think that this team is clear evidence that Kidney is beginning to realise the failure of the conservative team selection and tactics he has been using for the last few years, and I hope that he will continue in this vein next season (assuming he is still in a job of course
). There is loads of good young talent out there and it has to be developed now with an eye on the next World cup (although he clearly seems to view young Munster talent as being inherently superior to young Ulster and Leinster talent. Still cannot believe no Madigan ). 0 -
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Delighted to see some new faces in the team.
The cynic in me however predicts the following substitutions between 60-65min mark.
1. Zebo off, Earls to wing, Sexton to 12, ROG on.
2. SOB off, DOC on, Ryan to 6, POM to 7.
Please don't let it be!
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