**Higher Level English Paper 2 2012 - Before/After

fizzyorange

15 hours and 19 minutes lads, we can do this.

I'm personally terrified. If I don't see a bit of Larkin or Plath or some of that deception and role of women I'm fecked. Ah well, be grand yeah?

WarZoneBrother

Plath they say, be grand I say...

Dapics

Well I've only learnt three poets, so if either Plath, Kavanagh or Heaney dont come up I am absolutely screwed.

I am sound for hamlet, learnt three character questions, three themes and the role and dramatic effect of ghost.

As for conparitive, I am aiming to cram as much in tomorrow morning as I can, i actually have no work done for it.

So all in all, i reckon I'l be sound. Meet ye's on the other side!

Vetton

The pubs will be packed tomorrow evening, haha.

I'm actually looking forward to the Comparative. Thank you, Markus Zusak for such an interesting novel to write about. *bows*

Astrozombies

Hamlet, have Importance of soliloquies, Role/importance of women and false appearances vs. reality learned off. Might go over the significance of subplots (polonious), few bullet pointers be grand (actually thinking of it now, i literally used the term "ah you'll be grand" twice in my P1... for comedic humour.. hope the examiners find it funny )

Comparative, have nothing done so far, planning on doing in in the morning. I know the texts well but have always struggled with the questions

Poets.. Heaney, Plath, Boland might look over Rich too...

STRESS

Gallad123

Before: Screwed
After: Screwed!

WarZoneBrother

Gallad123 wrote: »

Before: Screwed
After: Screwed!

All in all - Double Screwed

Killian In The Name Of

The Role of Women/Deception
Plath or Rich
GV&V

and I'll be sorted... not likely to happen though.

SlyBacon93

I have Rich, Plath and Boland learned off
I'm fairly set for comparative, especially V+V
however I am utterly screwed for hamlet. I'm planning on learning Deception, solilquies, role of women and Hamlets delay tomorrow.
The stress of it all

galwaymusic

Role of Women
Heaney (maybe Plath)
LG

I'll be Happy out

Vetton

SlyBacon93 wrote: »

I have Rich, Plath and Boland learned off
I'm fairly set for comparative, especially V+V
however I am utterly screwed for hamlet. I'm planning on learning Deception, solilquies, role of women and Hamlets delay tomorrow.
The stress of it all

http://www.shmoop.com/hamlet/ Look through the themes they cover.

Geo10

Killian In The Name Of wrote: »

The Role of Women/Deception
Plath or Rich
GV&V

and I'll be sorted... not likely to happen though.

That's weird... That's EXACTLY what I have learned!! Guess were in the same boat if any of these don't come up.
If "false appearances" came up, is that the same as deception/ dissimulation.

deathbythelc

Vetton wrote: »

I'm actually looking forward to the Comparative. Thank you, Markus Zusak for such an interesting novel to write about. *bows*

You got to do The Book Thief for your Comparative?! Argh, I'm so jealous! Love that book! :rolleyes:

Killian In The Name Of

Geo10 wrote: »

That's weird... That's EXACTLY what I have learned!! Guess were in the same boat if any of these don't come up.
If "false appearances" came up, is that the same as deception/ dissimulation.

At least I know I will not be the only one having a silent nervous breakdown should they not come up. And I'm not sure... I think false appearances is more like Claudius being all 'Hey Hamlet, I love you like a son' but secretly thinking 'I MUST ELIMINATE YOU' whereas deception is all the various characters scheming/stabbing each other in the back?

Vetton

Killian In The Name Of wrote: »

At least I know I will not be the only one having a silent nervous breakdown should they not come up. And I'm not sure... I think false appearances is more like Claudius being all 'Hey Hamlet, I love you like a son' but secretly thinking 'I MUST ELIMINATE YOU' whereas deception is all the various characters scheming/stabbing each other in the back?

That's arguable, but the quotes would be similar, so if you know them, you can fit them into either question.

padocon

Killian In The Name Of wrote: »

The Role of Women/Deception
Plath or Rich
GV&V

and I'll be sorted... not likely to happen though.

Think you could be right in your prediction, hope Heany comes up too.

Mysteriouschic

Please Plath or Rich just not Boland. I've studied those three.

Role of women(really want this badly) / Appearance vs reality / Madness.

General vision and viewpoint.

My perfect paper!

imelle

perfect paper would be: "is hamlet a hero" . . literary genre and larkin.

deathbythelc

Plath/Larkin/Kinsella
Deception/Women/Hamlet's Character
GVV or Theme & Issue

Be graaaaaaaaaand.

biohaiid

Kinda wished I learned a sample answer on plath.
I know her poetry inside out like but just afraid I wont deliver it right.

Petrified that a question I dont know will come up for Hamlet ..

iamanengine

Plath all the way!or kinsella would be solid to, i could maybe handle heaney......the comparative?be graaaaaaand,il do whatever isnt literary genre!hamlet could be tricky though,anything to do with women or that deception would be good!either way il end up writing pages of utter tripe!'you jig you amble and you lisp,you nickname gods creatures and make your wontoness your ignorance' using that quote regardless!

smithy77

Plath/Heaney/Larkin
Hamlet/Women/Deception/Soliloquies
Vision & Viewpoint

Hope the questions are alright.. Good luck everyone:D

Naomi00

Really hope Kinsella comes up.

For Hamlet; Deception/Appearances vs. Reality, or Gertrude/Ophelia would be alright.

Screwed for the comparative, don't think I'll remember any of it

xEtnisa

Could someone post a few most important Hamlet quotes ? I know Hamlet well but i dont know any quotes and sadly cant find my book.

Also heaney is my hope , comparative cant really answer it , my teacher has done no work with us on it.

WarZoneBrother

This is going to be a long night Just finished Engineering now I need to start studying for Paper 2 , although I do know the basics for each of them.. So a few read throughs of the Key Notes sections and should be sorted... Plath better come up

Geo10

If Plath or rich don't come up I will fo so bad because i'm relying on my poetry section to bring me up and I don't know any othe poet!
We only did GVP... I don't even know the theme/ issue of my 3 texts!! So again if that doesn't come up.... :eek::(

Schonie

I've learned Plath and now I'm looking over Rich and Larkin
If anything else comes up instead of GV&V I'm screwed...think I'll quickly read over theme so I'll have an idea of what to write though
And for Hamlet...I just learned Hamlet (really well...hope he comes up), women, Claudius and Polonius...so really I'm sorted for deception as well cause once you know the key characters, you can kinda form the idea in your head..hopefully:)

Schonie

xEtnisa wrote: »

Could someone post a few most important Hamlet quotes ? I know Hamlet well but i dont know any quotes and sadly cant find my book.

Also heaney is my hope , comparative cant really answer it , my teacher has done no work with us on it.

A little more than kin, and less than kind. -H
Why seems it so particular with thee? - G
How weary, stale, flat and unprofitable seem to me all the uses of this world! - H
Fraity, thy name is woman! - H
to thy own self be true - P
I do not set my life at a pin's fee.. - H
So art thou to revenge when thou shalt hear -Ghost
The seprent that did sting thy father's life now wears his crown - Ghost
most seeming-virtuous queen - Ghost
That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain - H
As I perchance hereafter shall think meet to put an antic disposition on - H
I doubt it is no other but the main; His father's death, and our o'erhasty marriage - G
Though this be madness, yet there is method in't - P
I am pidgeon-liver'd, and lack gall - H
Get thee to a nunnery. Why wouldst thou be a breeder of sinners? - H
O! what a noble mind is here o'erthrown - O
Nor what he spake, though it lack'd form a litle, was not like madness - C
Madness in great ones must not unwatch'd go - C
O! What a rash and bloody deed is this! - G
honeying and making love over a nasty sty -H
I essentially am not in madness, but mad in craft - H
He's loved of the distracted multitude - C
he, being remiss, most generous and free from all contriving, will not peruse the foils - C
I lov'd Ophelia: forty thousand brothers could not, with all their quantity of love, make up my sum - H
They are not near my conscience, their defeat does by their own insinuation grow - H
For he was likely, had he been put on, to have prov'd most royally - Fort.

Astrozombies

Regarding seamus heaney, does ANYONE know what the message of 'The Underground'?
Id say themes in it would be, love, youth... ugh idk

oldcrescent

is heaney one of the poets for next years leaving certs?

Mysteriouschic

oldcrescent wrote: »

is heaney one of the poets for next years leaving certs?

Nope but hes back on the year after.

BellaVerita

Has Hamlet's madness ever appeared on the exam?
Is the exam set before or after the mocks?

Dapics

Astrozombies wrote: »

Regarding seamus heaney, does ANYONE know what the message of 'The Underground'?
Id say themes in it would be, love, youth... ugh idk

I am beginning to prepare a themed answer for Heaney, if they ask him I feel he would be the perfect poet to base a theme on such as love/melancholy.

The theme of The Underground is that of love.
Heaney uses references to mythology a lot in the poem, so it is a nice poem in that you could write a very odd interpretation on it, much different form everyone's else's.... this would show the examiner introspection on your behalf as you can identify with the themes and inherent messages.

For Both themes, 3 poems will be needed so I need to learn two new Heaney poems

Also have to cram GV+V

Hamlet is perfect and my kavanagh and Plath is perfect so here's hoping for the best!

Glitt_123

guys really worried, i only know gvv in comparative, dont know lg or theme n issue

Dapics

Just saying this right now.... they have never put both theme and issue and GV+V up together i dont think! So maybe this is the year, it would certainly be a good time for it!

imelle

i'm praying literary genre comes up. please.

oldcrescent

i just got so much work done in less than half an hour...(now heaney better come up)

if you feel like you dont have enough work done,do it now!!! We have until 2...thats alot of time

oldcrescent

imelle wrote: »

i'm praying literary genre comes up. please.

same,literary genre and heaney..single text...be grand!

aoife..x

Killian In The Name Of wrote: »

The Role of Women/Deception
Plath or Rich
GV&V

and I'll be sorted... not likely to happen though.

thats the exact same as me!! im skrewed if they dont come up!! and general vision and viewpoint better come up!! have no clue of lit genre or theme and issue!!!!

HowAreWe

Dapics wrote: »

Just saying this right now.... they have never put both theme and issue and GV+V up together i dont think! So maybe this is the year, it would certainly be a good time for it!

2002.

Mysteriouschic

I can't remember the layout as well for theme/issue I know general vision and viewpoint more. And I'm planning on doing the 70marks question.

Astrozombies

Dapics wrote: »

I am beginning to prepare a themed answer for Heaney, if they ask him I feel he would be the perfect poet to base a theme on such as love/melancholy.

The theme of The Underground is that of love.
Heaney uses references to mythology a lot in the poem, so it is a nice poem in that you could write a very odd interpretation on it, much different form everyone's else's.... this would show the examiner introspection on your behalf as you can identify with the themes and inherent messages.

For Both themes, 3 poems will be needed so I need to learn two new Heaney poems

Also have to cram GV+V

Hamlet is perfect and my kavanagh and Plath is perfect so here's hoping for the best!

Wow thanks! yeah I've about 6 learned off PRAYING for heaney, really dont wanna end up doing rich.. Plath would be good but I NEED Heaney :P

Princessxx

does anyone know the kinda layout you should right for the comparative? Like general vision and viewpoint should you discuss like key moments,society and what else like all separately?

bobjimmy

HowAreWe wrote: »

2002.

That was theme and cultuarl context

SureYWouldntYa

Princessxx wrote: »

does anyone know the kinda layout you should right for the comparative? Like general vision and viewpoint should you discuss like key moments,society and what else like all separately?

Beginning, key relationships, view of society, family life, ending ( they work for my 3 texts but mightn't for yours)

Gigigi

Is it better to do a poetry answer poem by poem or thematically?

fizzyorange

Step 1: Lie in bed until half ten
Step 2: Reread Larkin and Plath quotes
Step 3: Dance around my room to 90s music
Step 4: Reread Hamlet notes on Hamlet, Polinios, Gertrude and Ophelia, Appearance vs Reality. Make a plan for Hamlets character.
Step 5: Briefly look over key moments and my lit genre essay for comparative.
Step 6: Be grand.

Princessxx

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Beginning, key relationships, view of society, family life, ending ( they work for my 3 texts but mightn't for yours)

No that's what we usually do but in my whole freak out mode I seem to have forgotten thank you

HowAreWe

bobjimmy wrote: »

That was theme and cultuarl context

woops tis indeed got one of my sample papers mixed up with 2002.

Luno

I've decided not to bother looking over the comparative, I know my texts fairly well and I'm sure I can adapt them to suit the question. Am I mad?

Spattersonox

I am petrified...