A satanic ritual element to "Catholic" child abuse in Ireland?

HamletOrHecuba

William H Kennedy interviewed by Tracy R Twyman starting at 31:00.

It seems that the ritual and satanic element has been left out by the secular media here generally and certainly hasnt been a topic of public discussion. The whole destruction of the Liturgical life of the Church is believed by many to part of a satanic conspiracy. How much has the insitutional Catholic Church in Ireland been taken over by satanists?

http://quintessentialpublications.com/invisiblehand/invisiblehandepisode3final.mp3

Sonics2k

None of it.

They're more than capable of being complete evil bástards without the help of Satanists.

Corkfeen

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

William H Kennedy interviewed by Tracy R Twyman starting at 31:00.

It seems that the ritual and satanic element has been left out by the secular media here generally and certainly hasnt been a topic of public discussion. The whole destruction of the Liturgical life of the Church is believed by many to part of a satanic conspiracy. How much has the insitutional Catholic Church in Ireland been taken over by satanists?

http://quintessentialpublications.com/invisiblehand/invisiblehandepisode3final.mp3

Somewhat disturbing that people would choose to place the blame on other groups when it's clear that members of the Catholic Church were responsible and to claim otherwise is simply the ultra religious denying the corruption of the organisation which they follow. Were the coverups also a Satanist plot? Because that would implicate half of the Vatican. I also think these efforts to twist what occurred does no justice for the victims to this day...

HamletOrHecuba

Corkfeen wrote: »

Somewhat disturbing that people would choose to place the blame on other groups when it's clear that members of the Catholic Church were responsible and to claim otherwise is simply the ultra religious denying the corruption of the organisation which they follow. Were the coverups also a Satanist plot? Because that would implicate half of the Vatican. I also think these efforts to twist what occurred does no justice for the victims to this day...

Even before the whole abuse scandal came out there was documentation of a large portion of the Vatican machinery being made up of satanists. Remember the whole P2 Freemasonic scandal?

http://www.henrymakow.com/malachi_martin_--.html

Corkfeen

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

Even before the whole abuse scandal came out there was documentation of a large portion of the Vatican machinery being made up of satanists. Remember the whole P2 Freemasonic scandal?

http://www.henrymakow.com/malachi_martin_--.html

Once I got to the second line of that, alarm bells started ringing...

The result of this ritual meant the Vatican manifested what clerics referred to as the 'Superforce."

Looking at the other links on the site even more alarm bells start to ring, one article describes how feminism is communism in disguise...

In fact to choose one of the side columns as an example...

How the Rockefellers Re-engineered Women
· Betty Friedan-"Momey" was a Commie
· Now Heterosexuals Are in the Closet
· When Love is a One-Night Stand
· Men Who Get Women
· Possessiveness is Part of Marriage
· Why All Porn is Gay

Strikes me as a site that is attempting to fulfill an agenda which claims that the entire world is a satanic cult that exists to destroy Catholicism. They also seem to love a bit of sexism and homophobia.

Perhaps it's more of a case that the Church acted as enablers and it was an entire failure of the hierarchy including the current and previous popes. Although it does seem that the failure of a permanent of a cover-up is what they view to be the real failure...

It really is disgusting me that people would choose to claim that Catholicism is innocent in this... The reason that the 'secular' media isn't running this story is because it's horse**** that there is no legitimate information to back it up with while there is plenty of evidence that the offenders were unquestionably Catholic Priest and not Satanists (or Freemasons although they're technically different things) in disguise.

RichieC

Poor oul Satan gets an awful hammering on here.

Run_to_da_hills

This is the specific stage setting for the the Pope's visit at Zamosciu Poland in 1999. :eek:



More evidence of Freemasonry within the Church here.

Torakx

LOL get out of town!
That looks like a lady gaga monument for an upcoming concert.

Run_to_da_hills

Torakx wrote: »

LOL get out of town!
That looks like a lady gaga monument for an upcoming concert.

I wouldn't mind but both of them play an active role in it.

Ga Ga admits it while the Vatican supports its agenda.

hooradiation

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I wouldn't mind but both of them play an active role in it.

Ga Ga admits it while the Vatican supports its agenda.

Ms Germanotta is a very shrewd business woman, if she had reason to believe that saying tiny people lived in her hair and told her what to do would increase her public profile, she'd do it.
Which is all that really shows.

Run_to_da_hills

hooradiation wrote: »

Ms Germanotta is a very shrewd business woman, if she had reason to believe that saying tiny people lived in her hair and told her what to do would increase her public profile, she'd do it.
Which is all that really shows.

I am sure if she started to expose the hand that feeds her she would soon get a slap or worse still end up wearing a wooden overcoat..

The 2011 VMAs: A Celebration of Today’s Illuminati Music Industry.

28064212

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The Pope visited this very church in Zamosciu Poland in 1999. :eek:

I feel stupid even bothering to ask this, but any chance of an image of that church that doesn't come from a CT website and look like it was photshopped to hell and back? A search for "Zamosciu church" on Google Images only produces two images like that, almost identical, both hosted on CT websites. The other 3,000 images are standard churches. A search using the correct spelling "Zamość church" returns 59,000 results, none of which are close to the one you posted.

So once again it seems like you grabbed the first image that suited your CT and posted it without any investigation whatsoever

hooradiation

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I am sure if she started to expose the hand that feeds her she would soon get a slap or worse still end up wearing a wooden overcoat..
.

Which, is of course, a fantastic cop out.
She's allowed to 'reveal' some things, because secret societies hate secrecy but if she reveals too much (an amount that is never defined) she'll be 'punished' or 'killed'. Which sets up the simple and self-fulfilling narrative.

Once this PR act has run it's course, the "explanation" is she was told to be quiet, should anything unfortunate befall her at any point in the future - "a slap" and should she have the audacity to ever die "they killed her".

Of course the fact that PR is cyclical and reactive, that people get hurt and that people die are all neatly ignored by setting up the presupposition that it is self evident that Ms Germanotta is involved in this 'Illuminati' nonsense. Why? Because anything that happens from this point onwards has already been 'explained' as being acts of the 'Illuminati' therefore when inevitable things happen, they were already predicted by those who claim to know the truth, so therefore they were right about everything.

The mental gymnastics required to believe in this worldview are amazing to behold.

Makes me wonder how we can tell the people who honestly believe in this from the trolls.

old hippy

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

William H Kennedy interviewed by Tracy R Twyman starting at 31:00.

It seems that the ritual and satanic element has been left out by the secular media here generally and certainly hasnt been a topic of public discussion. The whole destruction of the Liturgical life of the Church is believed by many to part of a satanic conspiracy. How much has the insitutional Catholic Church in Ireland been taken over by satanists?

http://quintessentialpublications.com/invisiblehand/invisiblehandepisode3final.mp3

As if the whole horrific systemised abuse inherent within the RCC isn't bad enough - you have to sensationalise it with an element of the fantastical.

Marvellous.

hooradiation

old hippy wrote: »

As if the whole horrific systemised abuse inherent within the RCC isn't bad enough - you have to sensationalise it with an element of the fantastical.

Marvellous.

Since the abuse scandal has come to light, there's been two very disgusting phenomenon going on. One set of 'christians' going "we told you so!" - using this horrible abuse of children for simple point scoring on which variation on a theme is the correct one.
The others are apologists, desperate to shift blame away from the Roman catholic church. If it's not the gays, it's satan or 'secularism' or sometimes just plain old whataboutery.

They're both as awful as each other and if their god is real I'd hope he'd reach down from on high and slap the ever loving fuck out of the lot of them.
See the christianity forum if you'd like more examples of these terrible ideas in motion.

old hippy

hooradiation wrote: »

Since the abuse scandal has come to light, there's been two very disgusting phenomenon going on. One set of 'christians' going "we told you so!" - using this horrible abuse of children for simple point scoring on which variation on a theme is the correct one.
The others are apologists, desperate to shift blame away from the Roman catholic church. If it's not the gays, it's satan or 'secularism' or sometimes just plain old whataboutery.

They're both as awful as each other and if their god is real I'd hope he'd reach down from on high and slap the ever loving fuck out of the lot of them.
See the christianity forum if you'd like more examples of these terrible ideas in motion.

Am banned from said forums These ones are just as ill informed & plain disturbing, imho. I am saddened that we entertain such luncacy in the 21st century

Run_to_da_hills

28064212 wrote: »

I feel stupid even bothering to ask this, but any chance of an image of that church that doesn't come from a CT website and look like it was photshopped to hell and back? A search for "Zamosciu church" on Google Images only produces two images like that, almost identical, both hosted on CT websites. The other 3,000 images are standard churches. A search using the correct spelling "Zamość church" returns 59,000 results, none of which are close to the one you posted.

So once again it seems like you grabbed the first image that suited your CT and posted it without any investigation whatsoever

You obviously did not look hard enough.





Notice the same crucifix.



Notice the same crucifix.

If you are still not convinced enough about infiltration within the church have a good look at this eye opener. (excuse the pun LOL)

http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.com/2012/03/r-eligious-symbols-religion-false.html

Ash.J.Williams

I'll have to look for it but i recall hearing about ritual child abuse in NI during the late 70's.
Forget that " stop blaming other people it's soley the churches fault"
Nothing is black and white, it's quite possible that ritual abuse was carried out alongside pervey priest abuse.

old hippy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You obviously did not look hard enough.



If you are still not convinced enough about infiltration within the church have a good look at this eye opener. (excuse the pun LOL)

http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.com/2012/03/r-eligious-symbols-religion-false.html

By blaming the abuse on non-existent satanists, you are actually an apologist for said abuse.

Ash.J.Williams

old hippy wrote: »

By blaming the abuse on non-existent satanists, you are actually an apologist for said abuse.

bullsh*t....there was lots of abuse going on over the years and probably still is. I am not apologising for the church, but not all abuse was by them.

28064212

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You obviously did not look hard enough.

Wow, what a complete and utter failure to see the point. If you had posted that image first, would there be any freemasonry connection to be made? Nope, don't think so. Instead you posted a shopped picture of said church from CT websites to "back-up" your non-existent point. Quelle surprise

old hippy

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

bullsh*t....there was lots of abuse going on over the years and probably still is. I am not apologising for the church, but not all abuse was by them.

There was and is abuse carried out in all walks of life & professions. There are, however, no professional satanists. This kind of sensationalism diverts away from the fact that clerical abuse was committed by clerics, not devil worshippers.

CL7

Corkfeen wrote: »

Somewhat disturbing that people would choose to place the blame on other groups when it's clear that members of the Catholic Church were responsible and to claim otherwise is simply the ultra religious denying the corruption of the organisation which they follow. Were the coverups also a Satanist plot? Because that would implicate half of the Vatican. I also think these efforts to twist what occurred does no justice for the victims to this day...

These morally corrupt people know exactly what they are doing. By trying to deflect the blame from the Catholic Church they are themselves complicit in the abuse. Pure evil IMO.

HamletOrHecuba

CL7 wrote: »

These morally corrupt people know exactly what they are doing. By trying to deflect the blame from the Catholic Church they are themselves complicit in the abuse. Pure evil IMO.

Who is trying to deflect blame from the hierarchy here?

Run_to_da_hills

old hippy wrote: »

By blaming the abuse on non-existent satanists, you are actually an apologist for said abuse.

CL7

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

Who is trying to deflect blame from the hierarchy here?

Please don't be deliberately obtuse. It's obvious what people are trying to do when they suggest that the Catholic Church has been infiltrated by Satanists and Freemasons. Anything other than face the fact that endemic abuse was carried out by ordinary priests and covered up from top to bottom.

Any cleric with a shred of decency or integrity would have left the organisation by now. They are all guilty. I'm afraid getting rid of the Satanists and Freemasons that have "taken over" the Church just isn't going to work.

Stark

Snowball did it.

HamletOrHecuba

CL7 wrote: »

Please don't be deliberately obtuse. It's obvious what people are trying to do when they suggest that the Catholic Church has been infiltrated by Satanists and Freemasons. Anything other than face the fact that endemic abuse was carried out by ordinary priests and covered up from top to bottom.

Any cleric with a shred of decency or integrity would have left the organisation by now. They are all guilty. I'm afraid getting rid of the Satanists and Freemasons that have "taken over" the Church just isn't going to work.

Uh sorry I came to believe that satanists/Freemasons had taken over the hierarchy a good bit before the full scale of child abuse came to light- but whatever.

hooradiation

Which makes me wonder why you needed to believe that "satanists/Freemasons" had taken over "the hierarchy"?
People usually find nefarious groups to blame when organisations they liked start to do things they don't like.

I guess it's easier for people to blame a nebulous group of ne'er do wells than to accept that sometimes groups they placed their trust in have betrayed that trust (either knowingly or unknowingly). Places the blame on that boogyman than on themselves for making what might be called a poor choice.

HamletOrHecuba

hooradiation wrote: »

Which makes me wonder why you needed to believe that "satanists/Freemasons" had taken over "the hierarchy"?
People usually find nefarious groups to blame when organisations they liked start to do things they don't like.
.

Well the top down attempt at the total destruction of traditional Catholicism by the hierarchy there to administrate for and to defend it would start making you look for answers as to why, no?

hooradiation

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

Well the top down attempt at the total destruction of traditional Catholicism by the hierarchy there to administrate for and to defend it would start making you look for answers as to why, no?

Well, I'd have to be convinced of the former to engage in the latter, wouldn't I?

But, like every other conspiracy of this sort you face the almost insurmountable challenge - how can you be sure that this "total destruction of traditional catholicism" is exactly and demonstrably that and not "I don't like this change"

old hippy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that such a scenario might be noticed on a Sunday morning

Torakx

Looks like Tony Blair's basement :P

Brown Bomber

CL7 wrote: »

These morally corrupt people know exactly what they are doing. By trying to deflect the blame from the Catholic Church they are themselves complicit in the abuse. Pure evil IMO.

WTF...? "pure evil" ... "complicit in the (sexual) abuse (of minors)"

That's an utterly ridiculous and outrageous assumption to make against someone you know absolutely nothing about.

It's not even as far fetched, though improbable as people would make out. The Roman Catholic Church has long been a target of infiltration, a Freemasonic Cardinal almost became Pope in the 50's also consider the actions of the revolutionaries against the Church in the mason dominate French Revolution.

The Soviets tried also: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/sto...ns/1100135.htm

And Masonicesque secret & subversive societies had been trying for centuries to take the Church down from within:

See:

Alta Vendita
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_Vendita

Humanum Genus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanum_Genus

CL7

I couldn't care less about Freemasonic cardinals and other infiltrations. It has nothing to do with the abuse that happened.

Run_to_da_hills

CL7 wrote: »

I couldn't care less about Freemasonic cardinals and other infiltrations. It has nothing to do with the abuse that happened.

You should know them by their fruits.

CL7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

WTF...? "pure evil" ... "complicit in the (sexual) abuse (of minors)"

That's an utterly ridiculous and outrageous assumption to make against someone you know absolutely nothing about.

I've read some of HamletOrHecuba's posts and realise that I was too hasty in judging him. I was emotional and got carried away. I have amended my post below

CL7 wrote: »

These morally corrupt people know exactly what they are doing. By trying to deflect the blame from the Catholic Church they are themselves complicit in the abuse. Pure evil IMO.

If someone evades reality then they are responsible for the consequences of that evasion. By deflecting the blame from the Catholic church and it's clergy they are themselves complicit in the abuse that has happened and has yet to happen Imo.

hooradiation

It's a good thing we have groups like the Masons around. Otherwise, we might have to hold the church responsible for it's actions and inactions.

old hippy

hooradiation wrote: »

It's a good thing we have groups like the Masons around. Otherwise, we might have to hold the church responsible for it's actions and inactions.

If there wasn't the Masons, the flat earthers here would be inventing someone else to take the blame, I reckons

HamletOrHecuba

hooradiation wrote: »

Well, I'd have to be convinced of the former to engage in the latter, wouldn't I?

But, like every other conspiracy of this sort you face the almost insurmountable challenge - how can you be sure that this "total destruction of traditional catholicism" is exactly and demonstrably that and not "I don't like this change"

By studying the issues at hand.

http://www.the-pope.com/creculnc.html

HamletOrHecuba

CL7 wrote: »

I've read some of HamletOrHecuba's posts and realise that I was too hasty in judging him. I was emotional and got carried away. I have amended my post below

Deflecting blame from the Catholic Church and its clergy?

Well what exactly do you mean by the Catholic Church, can you give a definition ? I ask because Irish people often dont have a clue what exactly they mean by that word. How am I deflecting blame from the clergy?

hooradiation

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

By studying the issues at hand.

http://www.the-pope.com/creculnc.html

And how do you ensure you're just not cherry picking what suits your pre-existing belief?

CL7

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

Deflecting blame from the Catholic Church and its clergy?

Well what exactly do you mean by the Catholic Church, can you give a definition ? I ask because Irish people often dont have a clue what exactly they mean by that word.

I'm referring to the organisation as a whole. Yes including it's members. The hierarchy, ordinary priests and every adult member that is able to think is responsible for what happened(I considered myself a Catholic up until about 8 yeas ago so that includes me as well). It's just a matter of degrees.

How am I deflecting blame from the clergy?

Because you are suggesting that Satanists are responsible for the abuse that happened. The Church has been corrupt since it's inception. Satanists have nothing to do with it.