Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Ex husband being unkind

  • 17-05-2012 3:15pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    Hi all. Looking for a bit of insight.

    Basically I'm an American who moved to Ireland just under 2 weeks ago. My husband and I are no longer together. He's Irish, we met in the US, married and had our kids there. He has always wanted to come home and we put the wheels of motion into this move before the marriage broke up, both got jobs etc.

    It was just before he moved back that we decided to end the marriage. I thought long and hard about staying in the US but I decided my kids need their dad.

    So I'm here now, just started my new job, trying to find my feet etc etc. Dad is very hands on, lives close by and is great with the kids but is zero help with helping me out.

    I don't know anything about this country, I feel very isolated, the money is freaking me out, I don't know where I am in relation to anything. I have a ton of questions and I would love my ex to sit down and explain them to me but he keeps telling me I need to stand of my own two feet!!!

    I think he owes it to me as the mother of his kids to just give me a heads up on things so I am not totally lost. Any input or advice on how to approach this with him so it doesn't turn into another fight?


«1

Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭scholar007


    Hi all. Looking for a bit of insight.

    Basically I'm an American who moved to Ireland just under 2 weeks ago. My husband and I are no longer together. He's Irish, we met in the US, married and had our kids there. He has always wanted to come home and we put the wheels of motion into this move before the marriage broke up, both got jobs etc.

    It was just before he moved back that we decided to end the marriage. I thought long and hard about staying in the US but I decided my kids need their dad.

    So I'm here now, just started my new job, trying to find my feet etc etc. Dad is very hands on, lives close by and is great with the kids but is zero help with helping me out.

    I don't know anything about this country, I feel very isolated, the money is freaking me out, I don't know where I am in relation to anything. I have a ton of questions and I would love my ex to sit down and explain them to me but he keeps telling me I need to stand of my own two feet!!!

    I think he owes it to me as the mother of his kids to just give me a heads up on things so I am not totally lost. Any input or advice on how to approach this with him so it doesn't turn into another fight?


    He sounds like he is doing his best under the circumstances and fair play to you too for recognising that kids need both a father and a mother.

    As you are no longer together - like what do you expect from him now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭daisybelle2008


    I kind of agree with him. You do need to stand on your own two feet. You will feel much better. You moved here two weeks ago and you are integrating like a good thing on boards. Just apply some of that effort to real life.
    Why do you need your ex-husband to help you figure out currency. Money freaking you out is a bit extreme.
    Start a thread (not in this forum though) with your ton of questions. There are plenty of people on here who will point you in the right direction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    this may not be much help but here goes. screw him :D prove your independence and find your own answers, you'll feel better and stronger for it and you won't be dependent on him anymore.

    what info are you looking for? if its your local area/local services? there's a regions section here on boards just find the one closest to wear you live, there's also Neighbours.ie that has a forum for many housing estate throughout the country. the folks in these places can be more than helpful with helping you find your way about and recommending local places to source things. theres also an accomidation and property section here if you have queries about renting/purchasing etc and there's probably a tax section to, but the revenue service here is pretty helpful with answering your questions if you call them. I'm Irish and i call them all the time with queries in relation to my tax affairs and they are more than helpful.

    citizens advice http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/ also has a number of sections with basic Q&A about many topics, this can also help. you can also telephone them to talk to someone and they have a number of centers about the country

    as for money well its the same as in the US, 100 cent in the Euro etc we just don't use names like quarters and dimes ;). the only difference is we don't add state tax on at the end when you reach the register, the price its marked at is the price you pay (unless its labelled wrong)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    I'm not looking for him to hold my hand or anything, I get I have to learn myself but its little things, like setting up my tax or even asking a dumb question about the bus I need to take to my job or what is the best place to buy food etc.

    I will ask these things as a by the way when he is over getting the kids and he refuses to tell me!!

    Is that being too needy? I just thought that he would point me in the right direction not just outright refuse to help.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    I'm not looking for him to hold my hand or anything, I get I have to learn myself but its little things, like setting up my tax or even asking a dumb question about the bus I need to take to my job or what is the best place to buy food etc.

    I will ask these things as a by the way when he is over getting the kids and he refuses to tell me!!

    Is that being too needy? I just thought that he would point me in the right direction not just outright refuse to help.

    Tax - the revenue or your employer can tell you.

    Bus, check the relevant website.

    Shops, find a regional forum for your area on here and check out the information.

    Ask yourself how you'd cope if he wasn't around?


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    Thanks for your input guys. I probably am a bit needy. I just expected more of him though, its hard being in a new place and starting over. I feel very lonely and homesick and right now am wondering if I made the wrong decision. I'm dealing with PND at the moment too and missing my support network back home.

    I did this for the kids so I know deep down they will thank me but its still a big transition.

    We are living in the town he grew up so he has a lot of people around him and I feel like I have no one. I guess part of it is a bit of resentment, I think maybe he could cut me a bit of slack and help me to adjust and just find my feet.

    I will look at that site you gave Faolchu thank you for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭Little Miss!


    It's always pretty scary moving to a new place, don't let it get you down, take one step at a time and enjoy Ireland!!

    You're obviously a very strong person or you wouldn't have agreed to leave the US so really the tough part is done - you've made the move, now it's just time to settle in.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Keep in touch with your family back home, it's not expensive these days with the likes of skype etc

    And find a good gp so you have that covered, especially if you have PND


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    tax = www.revenue.ie just find your local office there and contact them, they'll help you sort out a PPSN in no time. same with social welfare, citizens info can also help

    Bus = as a neighbour, or simply contact the local bus company

    local ammenities again ask a neighbour or check out www.neighbours.ie or here that's the regional section to boards, find the one that best suits where you live and the regular users there may be able to help.

    also maybe ask in your local convenience store, the local spar, centra etc if there is one, most often the people working here are locals and can offer some help in relation to buses etc


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭Pa Dee


    I'm not looking for him to hold my hand or anything, I get I have to learn myself but its little things, like setting up my tax or even asking a dumb question about the bus I need to take to my job or what is the best place to buy food etc.

    I will ask these things as a by the way when he is over getting the kids and he refuses to tell me!!

    Is that being too needy? I just thought that he would point me in the right direction not just outright refuse to help.
    Try the net. You are sounding needy if you need to be told what bus to get an where to shop


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,830 ✭✭✭✭Taltos


    Little Miss! - please don't ask OP's on the PI/RI forum to contact you - this is a severe breach of our charter and can result in a ban. Not only is it to protect the OP but it is to protect you too.

    Taltos


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    Citizens Information - www.citizensinformation.ie

    Information regarding employment right, education, health, etc. They even have a Moving to Ireland section.

    Revenue web site might also be good - www.revenue.ie

    Grocery shopping - Dunnes, Tesco, Aldi & Lidi are cheapest. CLub cards are great.

    This site might be good www.newtotown.ie. Found it by googling 'move to ireland'. You should do the same as there might be loads of other sites.

    Good luck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Hiya OP,

    I'm sure everything seems so daunting at the moment! I don't think it would be unheard of that your ex could help a little bit considering the sacrafice you have made for him and your children. Leaving friends and family is a difficult thing to do so I wouldnt be beating yourself up about be anxious or worried.

    You said you're living in his home town, would any of your ex's friends or family be willing to show you around? If not I agree with the other poster who said to just keep asking! Online, in shops, on buses etc. Everyone has had to do it at some stage in their lives and you'll be surprised on how helpful folk can be.

    Best of luck settling in :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭Little Miss!


    Taltos wrote: »
    Little Miss! - please don't ask OP's on the PI/RI forum to contact you - this is a severe breach of our charter and can result in a ban. Not only is it to protect the OP but it is to protect you too.

    Taltos

    Sorry my bad, only trying to help :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    Pa Dee wrote: »
    Try the net. You are sounding needy if you need to be told what bus to get an where to shop

    You must think I am very whiny, I'm not, I simply saw a bus go by the house one day, asked him does it go near the city and he wouldn't tell me.

    Same re shops, I have two close by, Dunnes and Marks and Spencer, I asked him which is best for price, kids things and he wouldn't tell me. I'm not asking for him to write me a book on it just a quick "this place is cheaper than that, don't shop there, buy this here etc" would guide me along.

    I have always believed in helping people out especially new arrivals who may not know their way around.

    I sometimes feel like he is trying to make it hard for me. We had a huge fight last night because I took the baby for a walk in an area he thinks is unsafe this despite the fact I was there myself on Monday and he told me it was safe. :eek: I am starting to think the depression is making me paranoid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    I think he should advise you considering decisions you make could and will effect the kids. Maybe he is hoping you won't cope and leave and he will keep the kids. However, I wouldn't focus on this. Try to settle in as best you can asap. Them you can try to make new friends and build a new life.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Youre asking the one person you have 'baggage' with for help. It sounds to me like your split is still very raw, and he may be using your insecurity as a way of needling you. I realise you do need help, but YOU decided to make this move for YOUR children, and it is up to you to find your feet. That might sound harsh, but it doesnt surprise me that the guy youve just split up from is not being very kind to you. Breaking up is messy, this is part of the fallout.

    Keep things civil for your children, and stay calm with him, even when he is picking on you over stuff he shouldnt (like you not knowing safe and unsafe areas).

    Youve taken a huge leap, and it is daunting. But to me it sounds like youre doing damn well so far. You just need to remind yourself that your ex is an ex in every sense except with your children, and is not willing to do you any favours. Once you accept in your head that you wont get his help, I reckon youll do just fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    He was the one who ended the marriage, I've done everything he wants and I just expected some mutual respect.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    He was the one who ended the marriage, I've done everything he wants and I just expected some mutual respect.
    In a marriage breakup, sometimes the rules of normal behaviour dont apply.

    But have you said that to him?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Whiteflag12


    I think u are very brave to move country like you did OP and a little bit of assistance from him sdn't be too much to ask for! In saying that he doesn't seem to agree so sod him! As other posters have said there are great threads on this forum that will hp you and when you have questions just post them up and you will get plenty of replies. Hope things get better for you :-)


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 903 ✭✭✭Herrick


    I simply saw a bus go by the house one day, asked him does it go near the city and he wouldn't tell me.

    Same re shops, I have two close by, Dunnes and Marks and Spencer, I asked him which is best for price, kids things and he wouldn't tell me. I'm not asking for him to write me a book on it just a quick "this place is cheaper than that, don't shop there, buy this here etc" would guide me along.

    We had a huge fight last night because I took the baby for a walk in an area he thinks is unsafe this despite the fact I was there myself on Monday and he told me it was safe. :eek: I am starting to think the depression is making me paranoid.

    To be honest, yes you need to stand on your own two feet. But in saying that for the love of God how hard can it be for him to answer a few simple questions? :confused:

    I mean trivial stuff like asking does the bus go near town, which shop is cheaper and which areas to avoid are hardly needy, it would be one thing if you were calling him 24/7 with trivial things, but you say you ask him when he calls over. I mean seriously, this is normal everyday stuff people converse about.

    He actually seems like someone thats going out of his way to be a dick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    Oryx wrote: »
    In a marriage breakup, sometimes the rules of normal behaviour dont apply.

    But have you said that to him?

    Of course I have :mad: I mean he knows!! Before we came over I had a panic attack, I freaked out because I knew I was coming here on my own as opposed to being in a relationship and I was terrified. He was so nice and told me not to be afraid, he would show me around and get me settled. I felt once I had that I would be okay.

    He was here for three weeks before I came, he had promised to get the room we are staying in sorted out but of course that wasn't done so myself and the boys spent our first week in a hotel :mad: The extent of him showing me around consisted of a drive around at night, I would point out buildings and ask "whats that" and he wouldn't tell me.

    Worse of all he told me he had me fixed up with a doctor and turned out that was a lie :mad: I'm just so p*ssed with him and I am starting to think leaving home was a huge mistake. My eldest is homesick and crying and I just want to join him. :(

    Thanks for the advice you have given, lots of things to look up there, I have to have faith its the right thing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭Pa Dee


    Herrick wrote: »
    I simply saw a bus go by the house one day, asked him does it go near the city and he wouldn't tell me.

    Same re shops, I have two close by, Dunnes and Marks and Spencer, I asked him which is best for price, kids things and he wouldn't tell me. I'm not asking for him to write me a book on it just a quick "this place is cheaper than that, don't shop there, buy this here etc" would guide me along.

    We had a huge fight last night because I took the baby for a walk in an area he thinks is unsafe this despite the fact I was there myself on Monday and he told me it was safe. :eek: I am starting to think the depression is making me paranoid.

    To be honest, yes you need to stand on your own two feet. But in saying that for the love of God how hard can it be for him to answer a few simple questions? :confused:

    I mean trivial stuff like asking does the bus go near town, which shop is cheaper and which areas to avoid are hardly needy, it would be one thing if you were calling him 24/7 with trivial things, but you say you ask him when he calls over. I mean seriously, this is normal everyday stuff people converse about.

    He actually seems like someone thats going out of his way to be a dick.
    Maybe it's very black and white for him? Answering these questions could be the thin end of the wedge....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    Pa Dee wrote: »
    Maybe it's very black and white for him? Answering these questions could be the thin end of the wedge....

    I don't understand what you mean by "thin end of the wedge?" :confused:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭Pa Dee


    Pa Dee wrote: »
    Maybe it's very black and white for him? Answering these questions could be the thin end of the wedge....

    I don't understand what you mean by "thin end of the wedge?" :confused:
    If he starts answering queries about buses and shops that you could research on your own he may be continuously be peppered by "which brand of beans are best" type questions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    Pa Dee wrote: »
    If he starts answering queries about buses and shops that you could research on your own he may be continuously be peppered by "which brand of beans are best" type questions

    I don't think so :( As I explained we are in his home town so he knows this place really well. I'm not asking him to go seeking out information for me, I would not expect that but just make conversation.

    Yes I could spend time looking at the pros and cons of X store vs Y store but I have enough to do right now, would it kill him to just give me a heads up and save me some time? :mad:

    And its not like I asked "can you find out which bus goes where because I'm too lazy" - we saw a bus, I asked if it goes near Dublin and he just refused to answer me.

    Please tell me this is not normal :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 903 ✭✭✭Herrick


    Pa Dee wrote: »
    Maybe it's very black and white for him? Answering these questions could be the thin end of the wedge....

    I know what you mean. But in saying that, he tells her an area is safe, then has a row with her saying it isn't? You'd think considering it could potentially put her/ his own children in danger he'd make some bit of an effort.

    Then you have this:
    I freaked out because I knew I was coming here on my own as opposed to being in a relationship and I was terrified. He was so nice and told me not to be afraid, he would show me around and get me settled. I felt once I had that I would be okay.

    He was here for three weeks before I came, he had promised to get the room we are staying in sorted out but of course that wasn't done so myself and the boys spent our first week in a hotel :mad: The extent of him showing me around consisted of a drive around at night, I would point out buildings and ask "whats that" and he wouldn't tell me.

    Worse of all he told me he had me fixed up with a doctor and turned out that was a lie :mad:

    He had three weeks to get a room sorted for his ex wife, but most importantly his children, but didn't and they had to spend their first week in a hotel. Then showing her around consisted of a drive and refusing to tell her what certain places were? Why even bother promising to show her around if that's his attitude? Then he blatantly lied about having her sorted (I assume registered OP?) with the local Doc. Even though she could have sorted out the Doctors herself, why did he lie about it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Oh for god sake, he is being a complete idiot.

    Here is what I would do:
    Stop asking him questions. Find someone else to ask. Ask people in the local shops or library or even at the bus stop.

    His behaviour is making you feel worse, so take that power away from him by no longer giving him the opportunity to be a dick.

    He is being completely unreasonable. But you need to read the writing on the wall, he is being unhelpful, he has not done the things he said he would do, and yet you still expect him to be nicer. Its not going to happen, his behaviour is speaking volumes.

    Ill be very direct about this - you will have to sink or swim on your own. If that means going back to the US - so be it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭Fizzlesque


    I don't think you're being needy at all. It's the most natural thing in the world to help someone when they're in a new area that you know like the back of your hand. I understand it's a tricky situation combining moving to a new area (for you) and moving home again (for him) while learning how to no longer be a couple, but you're his children's mother, so surely helping you helps them.

    Is there any chance he didn't want you to come to Ireland?

    Do you know his family from before, and, if yes, have they been welcoming or are they 'off limits' as well?

    I think he's being very unreasonable, but I suppose you've two choices: find a way to do it without him or move back to America. I wouldn't waste precious time, energy and emotion trying to drag blood from a stone. Maybe he's got stuff going on that's wrecking his head and making him act unreasonably, but if you're both completely sure the marriage is over, and are at peace with that, then perhaps you just need to dig deep and tap into your own reserve of survival skills.

    I wish you all the best - and hope the pluses soon start to outweigh the minuses. :)


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭ihsb


    Try to grin and bare it. If you cannot then move home. This website is really good for making friends with people. meetup.com. There are groups in most areas so hopefully one in your locality. Also you are meeting people face-to-face in the same situation as yourself which is really nice.

    I hope you can get through this! Ignore him... he is being so so selfish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Well, judging by what the OP has said, her ex-husband is refusing to even tell her the most basic of information for no real reason - surely to God if someone you know is new to town (especially your ex-wife!!) you would at least maybe drive them around the town (or ask a member of his family to) pointing out various necessary places (shops, schools, bus stops etc). Yes the OP needs to find her feet, but advice given here seems to exonerate her ex from helping her out with this - she uprooted her life for the sake of their children and moved here with no support network - I would damn well think he owes her some help on bus timetables, grocery shopping and other such basic stuff that any self-respecting person would take time to help you out with. The fact that they are no longer married does not excuse his apathy towards her situation. IMO it makes it worse - does he not care AT ALL that she is thousands of miles away from everything and everyone familiar to her?

    OP, your ex needs to step up here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    I feel for you OP. I moved here four years ago not knowing a soul. My husband was working and didn't have time to tell me anything!

    What saved me was my nosy nature and my sat nav! Every day after finishing the housework, I would set up my sat nav and go on an adventure! I drove around Cork City, went out to Blarney, did all sorts. The food shopping was a bit of an adventure too. All the stuff I was used to take for granted at home (London) is either very expensive here or simply not sold!!

    But for food shopping: I would avoid Marks and Spencer for a start - Mega expensive and I would only go there for nice desserts and ready-made meals.

    I would recommend:

    Tesco
    Dunne's
    Superquinn (not sure where you are, but if you're in Dublin, should be easy enough to find)
    Lidl/Aldi (Discount stores, but the quality of the fruit & veg is excellent - far better than Dunnes/Tesco. Aldi have excellent cheeses and wine too)

    There's also Argos (for household things/kids toys/anything in between)

    However - Marks and Spencer are good for kid's uniforms/clothing. Good quality and you can usually get a deal beginning of autumn term.

    Debenhams - Good department store, but VERY pricey. Wait until they have they have a sale (Which is frequently! :D), and buy then.

    Here's the link for Bus Eireann. Have a look on here for the local bus timetables: http://www.buseireann.ie/

    Are your older kids in school yet? Why not invite some of their friends round for tea and get chatting to the Mum's? If not, then get them enrolled in a playgroup ASAP, and try to make friends that way. In the same manner, you'll also get local recommendations.

    Treat the whole experience as an adventure. You've got a great opportunity here, so go for it, and stuff your ex!! Leave him to the kerb...

    Hope this helps! Welcome to Ireland and Good Luck!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    He really does seem to being unnecessarily unhelpful. Perhaps it's stemming from a feeling of guilt at the life change you are going through for his sake. I know it may not make sense but some people react badly when they feel they 'owe' someone.
    Same re shops, I have two close by, Dunnes and Marks and Spencer, I asked him which is best for price, kids things and he wouldn't tell me. I'm not asking for him to write me a book on it just a quick "this place is cheaper than that, don't shop there, buy this here etc" would guide me along.

    If it helps Dunnes is cheaper. For food it's a regular supermarket and sells all general brands as well as their own brand foods. For clothing and homewares it's all their own stock and will usually be relatively good value and quality. Marks and Spencer, or M&S, sells only their own brand stock, food and clothing. They are more expensive for food, but it's usually really nice quality and is nice to go to for a treat if you don't feel like cooking.

    This isn't really the forum for that kind of advice though, so definitely start a thread in your local region forum and ask for local advice. And then try specific threads in transport, one of the personal business sub-forums and maybe The Ladies Lounge for specific questions.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭John Mason


    op, i am just wondering when you say he wont tell you, do you actually mean it?

    he is saying "i dont know" cos if he has lived out of ireland for a number of years, he probably wouldnt know.

    if someone asked where a bus goes to in my hometown, i would say i dont know check the website, i havent lived there for years, the same with the shopping etc.

    are you sure, you are not just picking him up wrong.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    irishbird wrote: »
    op, i am just wondering when you say he wont tell you, do you actually mean it?

    he is saying "i dont know" cos if he has lived out of ireland for a number of years, he probably wouldnt know.

    if someone asked where a bus goes to in my hometown, i would say i dont know check the website, i havent lived there for years, the same with the shopping etc.

    are you sure, you are not just picking him up wrong.

    I'd agree with this to a large extent, I've lived in Dublin the past 3.5 years and could tell you where three or four bus routes out of hundreds go.

    If he's been out of the country for a few years, the changes would be pretty startling.

    Also as someone who ended a marriage, my overwhelming desire was to have as little to do with my ex as possible in terms of their arrangements, i got to a point where I simply had no interest in their demands/requests as as far as I was concerned the relationship was over, and I'd to fulfil whatever legal obligations I had and no more.

    My ex on the other hand found it difficult to adjust to the non partner element of our relationship.

    I suspect OP that your ex is taking a similar approach, you've split up, he is no longer your partner and is not willing to accomodate anything that might still indicate that.

    Cold, but very effective.


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    there are also parent support groups like http://www.cuidiu-ict.ie
    they have a parent link in local areas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    Thanks for all your comments and insights. Yes I think its time I stopped expecting him to help, clearly that is not going to happen. I thought about it last night and I think I am just frustrated and kinda surprised he hasn't acknowledged the sacrifices I made to come here. I have no reason to be here apart from our kids, I left everyone I know, a good job ( the job here is a step down ), left my comfort zone.

    Knowing my illness as he does I would have thought for his kids at least he would step up to the plate.

    A bit of help in the early days would not have been too much to ask would it?

    Yes there is family here, he lives with his parents, but I haven't met them. He has a sister I have met before but she lives on the other side of the country. I'm hoping to settle in the next few weeks, I am still sorting my things out and getting settled so I feel a bit "in transit"

    I'm going to give it six months and if I still feel how I feel and if my son is still very upset I will go home. I think maybe coming here was a dumb thing to do. I left to give my sons their dad but their dad was leaving anyway, at least at home they had their stability and not this complete culture shock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    irishbird wrote: »
    op, i am just wondering when you say he wont tell you, do you actually mean it?

    he is saying "i dont know" cos if he has lived out of ireland for a number of years, he probably wouldnt know.

    if someone asked where a bus goes to in my hometown, i would say i dont know check the website, i havent lived there for years, the same with the shopping etc.

    are you sure, you are not just picking him up wrong.


    No he knows, he is just being unhelpful, he did a lot of commuting back here when we were married. And the town we live in is an old town, he told me a particular building was a library, I wasted time walking down there and back to find its actually a school, the same school he went to :mad: So yeah benefit of the doubt is one thing, I know what you mean but its clear he is trying to make me feel even more unsettled than I need to be and that's quite a sad thing to realize.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,830 ✭✭✭✭Taltos


    OP

    sorry if you don't want to hear this and I might be totally wrong - but have you considered that he is behaving like this in an effort to force you to go back home?

    Think about it - despite knowing you had nowhere to stay and were arriving with his son - he did nothing. All this says to me is he is a man who is desperate to avoid any ties at all costs.

    As sad as it is maybe you need to think about why exactly you are putting yourself and your young son through this for a man who clearly is too immature to care what he is doing to his family - yes I know you are not together but his actions are directly impacting his son.

    6 months? I think I would revise that schedule - however check into if there would be any problems in you leaving Ireland with his son. The last thing you need is him contacting the gardai accusing you of kidnap - not trying to be dramatic here, just thinking a bit further down the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    Taltos wrote: »
    OP

    sorry if you don't want to hear this and I might be totally wrong - but have you considered that he is behaving like this in an effort to force you to go back home?

    Think about it - despite knowing you had nowhere to stay and were arriving with his son - he did nothing. All this says to me is he is a man who is desperate to avoid any ties at all costs.

    As sad as it is maybe you need to think about why exactly you are putting yourself and your young son through this for a man who clearly is too immature to care what he is doing to his family - yes I know you are not together but his actions are directly impacting his son.

    6 months? I think I would revise that schedule - however check into if there would be any problems in you leaving Ireland with his son. The last thing you need is him contacting the gardai accusing you of kidnap - not trying to be dramatic here, just thinking a bit further down the road.

    I have thought of that, I'm not sure though, I actually thought he planned on moving back on his own after our marriage broke down but he was very clear he wanted me to come too. We have a young baby too - 5 months - and he told me if I stayed he would be a stranger to his own son and I couldn't let that happen.

    I don't know where I stand if I go home. I'm starting to think maybe he has played me knowing that I can't take the kids home :(

    Thanks for that Taltos, I think you've made me look at the bigger picture and made me see I might need to get legal advice, I would never have thought of that otherwise


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭curlzy


    Hey OP,

    Go and get a solicitor. I recently was around someone going through this and from that I learned that a mother can take her kids out of the country as long as there's no order in place to stop her, however that was 2 Irish people and one particular scenario so might not apply? I really would go and get some legal advice.

    Your ex is obviously deeply untrustworthy, he guilted you into coming here for the sake of your sons, on the promise that he would help and he's actually going out of his way to make it harder for you. I'm absolutely horrified he said he would sort out a Dr for your PND and didn't, does he not know that untreated PND can have very very very serious consequences? Women have been know to murder their children in the depths of PND, not to be alarmist but it's bloody mad that he would leave you and your kids open to untreated PND.

    I would be suspicious that, he either doesn't actually want any of you around but was afraid to admit that or that he's planning on somehow getting the kids. I really would get some legal advice on this.

    Have to say OP, it's lucky your kids have you because he sounds like an absoltue d*ckhead.

    Best of luck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 308 ✭✭Johnny_BravoIII


    It's left-field decision to move country for your kids to be with your ex-husband.


    Sure the onus is no him to stick round

    I'm guessing you did so with the hope of the relationship being revived. There's clearly no chance of this from his perspective & it's possible the reality of this is beginning to bite.

    From his perspective. …..He moved country & his ex-wife & kids followed him.
    re you sure he wants part of their up-bringing? May be he would prefer to just send money & visit occasionally?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    OP, this might seem like quite a left of field comment but I think you're going way too far to keep your children close to your ex-husband. I can understand wanting him to be involved in their life but moving halfway across the world to be isolated in his hometown where he won't even introduce you to his family is going way beyond the norm and quite possibly quite a bit beyond what he wanted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭Fizzlesque


    OP, this might seem like quite a left of field comment but I think you're going way too far to keep your children close to your ex-husband. I can understand wanting him to be involved in their life but moving halfway across the world to be isolated in his hometown where he won't even introduce you to his family is going way beyond the norm and quite possibly quite a bit beyond what he wanted.

    I agree with leeroybrown. It was a huge undertaking, and makes me wonder if your ex husband wanted you to move to Ireland at all. Is it possible he was beginning to view the marriage as over at the time you were both making plans to come here and ideally wanted to come home alone?

    Also, what did your own family and friends make of your plans to move here? I'd be very concerned if my sister was in your situation - recently separated, new baby, suffering from PND and on top of all that, moving far away from the people who love and care about her.

    Do you harbour hopes your ex husband will change his mind about your marriage? I really feel for you, and hope you're not in over your head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    Moving here was always part of the plan. Right from the first time we met he always told me living in the states was a temporary thing. We set this in motion a long time ago long before we had any issues.

    As I said when the marriage broke down I had second thoughts but my ex got very upset, told me that he didn't want our youngest growing up not knowing his dad etc. He got very upset at the thought of coming here without them. By that stage I had found work here, was organised with visas etc and looking forward to it.

    I never expected us to get back together, I don't want that to happen at all. That ship has well and truly sailed guys. None of my hurt is to do with being single, I just expected a bit more help making the transition.

    He is a very hands on dad, loves our kids and is wonderful with them. I don't think his motives are getting away from them. I know it would break his heart if I took them home.

    My family were really supportive of the move here, they had worries naturally but they could see how excited I was.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 308 ✭✭Johnny_BravoIII


    Even with the relationship off the table....it just doesn't add up.....
    How can he passionately want you to live here for the sake of the kids yet make no effort to secure your comfort with the arrangement? It makes no sense to me.


    In the 1st place I don't think you should of felt any obligtion to move here. He's not the 1st guy to get stuck in a foreign land for the sake of kids.
    He's having his cake , eating it, & treating the baker like an asshole IMO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭Fizzlesque


    Moving here was always part of the plan. Right from the first time we met he always told me living in the states was a temporary thing. We set this in motion a long time ago long before we had any issues.

    As I said when the marriage broke down I had second thoughts but my ex got very upset, told me that he didn't want our youngest growing up not knowing his dad etc. He got very upset at the thought of coming here without them. By that stage I had found work here, was organised with visas etc and looking forward to it.

    Thanks for your reply, chubbyrunner. The more I read of your circumstance, the more unreasonable and selfish your ex sounds to me. I could sort of sympathise with his situation (while also sympathising with yours) if he had been in two minds about you moving here, but considering he persuaded you to continue with your plans to move here even though it would mean you being completely alone I think he has treated you very poorly.

    You have made an enormous sacrifice to make sure your children have their dad and their dad has his children, I can't fathom why he's making a difficult transition even more difficult.

    On the plus side, you were excited about moving here and it is something you'd been gearing up to do, the only difference now being you're single again. I'd say you have all the ingredients for a very happy life here once you get over your initial culture shock and having to learn the ropes with zero assistance from your ex.

    Years ago I lived in Scotland, with my then-boyfriend, and I remember how lost and lonely I was in the beginning. I didn't have two children to take with me every time I left the house, so it was easier than your situation, but by the time I left there (2 years later) I knew loads of people and felt proud of myself for overcoming my initial unhappiness at being so far away from the life I'd left (we'd met in Holland and had enjoyed a very full-on and exciting party life there, the shock of moving to a tiny village in the arse end of nowhere almost finished me off at first), it takes time, but it's definitely a surmountable situation.

    Once again, I wish you all the luck in the world. xx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    Thank you all so much. I had a good long talk with my mom yesterday and she reminded me of how I moved from NYC to SF on my own in my early 20's and I was the same then. But I settled in and made it home and that was more of a transition in some ways :)

    She agrees he is being selfish, as she says if I came here with a broken leg he would help, my depression is just as valid and he should accommodate that.

    I am going to talk to him again tomorrow when he comes for the boys and just ask him to cut me some slack. I don't need him at my beck and call but I just want some help on making the transition easier because if its easier for me it will be easier on the boys.

    Once I get my first paycheck I can start making the place more homely which will help too, I will have money to explore and get my bearings. I have started looking into groups I can join to meet other people and things like that.

    So its a start, I don't know if this country will ever be home but I have to try. If only the weather was nicer, I miss sun sooooo much :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭ChubbyRunner


    Once again thank you all for the kind comments, I have tears in my eyes reading some of them, its given me hope that there are nice people out there just waiting. so thanks again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Munstermad


    You go girl!!!!! you seem like a very brave woman and a fantastic Mom!!!! Seperation is very hard, moving Home is hard, adjusting to living in a new country is very hard... All 3 together is mindblowingly hard!!!!!, but from the little bit we know of you you'll get there... Wishing you all the best... And plzz keep us posted on all the little milestones you reach...:D


  • Advertisement
Advertisement