Movies where you wanted the bad guy to win

nyarlothothep

I nominate Cyrus the Virus from Con Air. He had a vast intellect and was educated, supremely articulate and a great orator. If he had been born into any other circumstances he would have been president. The best bit was that he wasn't really a con in the sense that he didn't behave like one. His manner of speaking was refined as opposed to vulgar and he was the alpha con due to his intelligence rather than due to brute force. So I don't think he should have died at the end, he should have escaped to freedom because that's all he wanted at the end of the day. I can't think of any action movie where the bad guy wins.

Also Hans Gruber for much the same reasons.

krudler

Face/Off, cos Castor Troy was awesome.

FortuneChip

In The Watchmen, although not a conventional villain

Ozymandias

was someone I wanted to succeed. Similar reasons to Hans & Cyrus, in that he was smart & calculated. I just felt he was a lot "cooler" than the heroes as well. Didn't care too much for the movie though


And Keyser Soze. The Criminal Mastermind!

Phoenix Park

Heat.

Wanted De Diro to get away in the end and start his new life with his woman, was never gonna happen though

Attabear

Phoenix Park wrote: »

Heat.

Definitely.

Jet Li in Lethal Weapon 4, he was a pretty bad guy but the amount of casual racism in that movie is unreal.

Rastapitts

The Joker

maddragon

Home Alone because McCauley Culkin is an insufferable sh1t.

Caliden

Law abiding citizen.
Half way through you being to forget just how horrific the start of it was.
If they showed flashbacks throughout it would've made sense to let him 'win'

Crooked Jack

Dark Knight, I was rootin' for Joker every step of the way. Batman is a bit of a do-gooder prick

stealinhorses

Good shouts for Heat.

Also: Perfume, Law Abiding Citizen, Sweeney Todd.

Tipsy McSwagger

Scarface - Tony Montana

Cool Mo D

Mickey Rourke in Iron Man 2. Iron Man is an irritatingly smug character, and the bad guy was just a lot more likeable.

GAAman

Have had this discussion with friends before and they were surprised by my answer then came to share it.

Leon the hitman. Ok granted he wasn't the bad guy of that film but he was a bad guy, yet everyone wanted him to win and live happily ever after, forgetting the fact he was paid to kill people.

Rastapitts

Predator

Profiler

I wanted Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman in Die Hard) to win

He was great, shame a cowboy like John McClane managed to take him and his entire crew of mercenaries out

YipeeeKiaAyeMotherTruckers

folan

bad guy is not specific enough. As has been pointed out, Leon was a bad guy, just not the worst guy in that film. Carlito Brigante is my own favorite.

Bad Panda

Caliden wrote: »

Law abiding citizen.
Half way through you being to forget just how horrific the start of it was.
If they showed flashbacks throughout it would've made sense to let him 'win'

Awful, awful film. I want everyone associated with it to lose!

Part of me wants General Zod to win!

black & white

That guy with the tasher in "Downfall" ?

*Gets coat

Mickeroo

Pretty flawed logic calling Leon the "bad" guy. He may have done what could be called bad things but there's no way you can argue he was the villain in that movie, he was the hero of that particular story, plain and simple.

tricky D

Leon was an anti-hero of sorts.

GAAman

Mickeroo wrote: »

Pretty flawed logic calling Leon the "bad" guy. He may have done what could be called bad things but there's no way you can argue he was the villain in that movie, he was the hero of that particular story, plain and simple.

I disagree, and I pointed out he was not "the bad guy" but he was a bad guy. Yes he took the kid in and looked after her, but there is no way that could put numerous murders to bed.

One good deed does not a good man make....

Mickeroo

tricky D wrote: »

Leon was an anti-hero of sorts.

I agree, he killed people for money after all, but an anti-hero is still just a hero that has a few unheroic qualities yet retains most/a lot of the typical heroic qualities.

Mickeroo

GAAman wrote: »

I disagree, and I pointed out he was not "the bad guy" but he was a bad guy. Yes he took the kid in and looked after her, but there is no way that could put numerous murders to bed.

One good deed does not a good man make....

Yes, which is why he would be termed an anti-hero. Everyone from Jack Bauer to Batman or Jack Sparrow could be called an anti-hero but none of them are the bad guys in their respective stories. I'm pretty sure the OP was looking for films where you would want the Villain to win not films where you want the main protagonist to come out on top.

Crooked Jack

I also wanted the the eldest brother from The Proposition to survive. No idea why, he was an absolute bastard but he was pretty cool

CL7

Dracula - Bram Stoker's Dracula.

Yeah he was an evil psychopath but he got a raw deal from God in the movie.

I wish he survived and had a chance to be with Mina at the end.

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MJ23

Harry Potter. If the bad lad had killed him in the first film, we wouldnt have had to suffer through 6 more films

nyarlothothep

GAAman wrote: »

I disagree, and I pointed out he was not "the bad guy" but he was a bad guy. Yes he took the kid in and looked after her, but there is no way that could put numerous murders to bed.

One good deed does not a good man make....

In a perverted kind of justice sense you could call him a good guy because he killed criminals.

Da Shins Kelly

I must admit that I rooted for Bill the Butcher in Gangs of New York. I also liked Hans Landa a lot in Inglourious Basterds. I don't know that I'd go so far to say that I wanted him to win, but he was by far my favourite character.

Davyhal

nyarlothothep wrote: »

In a perverted kind of justice sense you could call him a good guy because he killed criminals.

Leon is as much the Bad Guy in Leon as Hit-Girl is the Baddie in Kick-Ass!

Sad Professor

Slasher films - all of them.

charlemont

Scarface.. He let it all get to head and made big mistakes...:(

CL7

FortuneChip wrote: »

In The Watchmen, although not a conventional villain

Ozymandias

was someone I wanted to succeed. Similar reasons to Hans & Cyrus, in that he was smart & calculated. I just felt he was a lot "cooler" than the heroes as well. Didn't care too much for the movie though

I hated

Ozymandias

in Watchmen.

He was a psychopath with a God complex that used his intellect to kill millions of people.

Truly disgusting character.

johnny_ultimate

Ben Affleck in 'He's Just Not That Into You'. We're meant to believe he's a the 'bad guy' because he doesn't give into his shrill, psychotic girlfriend's demands for marriage. He - as the rules of the rom-com dictate - eventually discards his moral stance in favour of 'true love'. I wanted to be sick: a crushing success for mindless conformity.

grohlisagod

The crazy guy in Battle Royale who was just there for the craic.

johnny_ultimate

You kind of want Takeshi Kitano to win. Because he's Takeshi Kitano.

bullvine

Phoenix Park wrote: »

Heat.

Wanted De Diro to get away in the end and start his new life with his woman, was never gonna happen though

Always felt they missed a great opportunity to have that sort of ending, it would have been fitting for

Pacino to die and DeNiro meet up with his woman and show them on the beach in the South Pacific

grohlisagod

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

You kind of want Takeshi Kitano to win. Because he's Takeshi Kitano.

He is brilliant. I actually forgot he's probably the main villain as I liked him so much.

GAAman

nyarlothothep wrote: »

In a perverted kind of justice sense you could call him a good guy because he killed criminals.

I had thought that myself but then thought how many films have we seen assassins killing witnesses etc....

GAAman

Mickeroo wrote: »

Yes, which is why he would be termed an anti-hero. Everyone from Jack Bauer to Batman or Jack Sparrow could be called an anti-hero but none of them are the bad guys in their respective stories. I'm pretty sure the OP was looking for films where you would want the Villain to win not films where you want the main protagonist to come out on top.

Anyone who would not class a guy who kills people for money as a bad guy kind of worries me to be honest. You can class a hitman as "Anti-fairy godmother" if you so wished but what it boils down to is if you had to class criminal hitmen as "Good guys" or Bad guys" which category would they come under?

And I am pretty sure the OP wanted a light enough hearted thread about what bad guys we wanted to win not a nit picking debate so I will respectfully leave it there

Winston Payne

The Operative, in Serenity, to a fist-clenching, "Please God!-" degree. Thoroughly disliked that film and he was the best thing in it by a long way.

Mickeroo

GAAman wrote: »

Anyone who would not class a guy who kills people for money as a bad guy kind of worries me to be honest. You can class a hitman as "Anti-fairy godmother" if you so wished but what it boils down to is if you had to class criminal hitmen as "Good guys" or Bad guys" which category would they come under?

I already explained what an anti-hero was. In the context of the film Leon is the good guy. Its not about morals, its about who is the antagonist and who is the protagonist. Leon is a film with a very clear antagonist and a very clear protagonist, there's no question who the audience is supposed to root for. Its obvious the OP meant bad guy as in villain, I don't see how a thread about films where we want the main protagonist to prevail would make much sense, as if a film does its job you should be rooting for the main protagonist no matter what.

An example I would put forward is Starship Troopers, I felt sorry for the bugs

The hammers

I know it's not a film, but the cat in Tom and jerry... That bastard of a mouse..

Smithey88

Caliden wrote: »

Law abiding citizen.
Half way through you being to forget just how horrific the start of it was.
If they showed flashbacks throughout it would've made sense to let him 'win'

Yeah. You have a good point there.

I get what the film was trying to say. A man seeks revenge against the killers of his wife and daughter but goes too far and targets the justice system as a whole. Killing others. But as you said, it kinda feels like they "moved" away from what happened to him.

Personally, I would of liked him to win

kitakyushu

The hammers wrote: »

I know it's not a film, but the cat in Tom and jerry... That bastard of a mouse..

Technically they are films (as opposed to tv) and the cat's name was Tom believe it or not.

The hammers

kitakyushu wrote: »

The hammers wrote: »

I know it's not a film, but the cat in Tom and jerry... That bastard of a mouse..

Technically they are films (as opposed to tv) and the cat's name was Tom believe it or not.

Really? And all rhis time i've been thinking that cats name was Bob! What a fool I've been If your a Tom and jerry master, what was that dogs name in it aswell? P.s this isn't a quiz I actually don't know myself, but he too was a bastard!

oppenheimer1

The Day of the Jackal. Surely everybody was rooting for the assassin?

kitakyushu

The hammers wrote: »

Really? And all rhis time i've been thinking that cats name was Bob! What a fool I've been If your a Tom and jerry master, what was that dogs name in it aswell? P.s this isn't a quiz I actually don't know myself, but he too was a bastard!

No worries, you're not the first person I've talked to who thought the cat was named Bob.

There was a dog in it? Wow I must have missed those ones. What did the dog look like?

quickbeam

Jaws in Jaws.

CL7

kitakyushu wrote: »

No worries, you're not the first person I've talked to who thought the cat was named Bob.

There was a dog in it? Wow I must have missed those ones. What did the dog look like?

Psychedelic

The hammers wrote: »

I know it's not a film, but the cat in Tom and jerry... That bastard of a mouse..

A lot of them cartoons I was always up for the villian character:

Tom and Jerry
Sylvester and Tweety (really hated that Tweety)
Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner
Wolf and Droopy

DazMarz

I was always rooting for the Galactic Empire in the original Star Wars trilogy. They were just so cool; the endless power, the slick and stylish uniforms, the endless swarms of TIE Fighters, the Star Destroyers, Stormtroopers... Yeah, they were evil, but damn they had style and panache.

What makes it even sadder is that they were ultimately defeated by a bunch of teenagers and teddy-bears......