No Licence/Passport - NCT auto fail

ninty9er

I know this one is my own fault because they tell you to bring ID, but much like most places in this country, they only accepts passport/driving licence at the NCT centre.

Sitting here €55 lighter, my car has already failed and it hasn't even entered a testing lane yet. What has my identity got to do with the roadworthiness of my car?

kildare.17hmr

If nothing else its only a visual retest but i agree it is a rediculas rule

djimi

Ive often wondered the same. They are testing the car, not the owner, so what difference does it make whether or not I am who I say I am?

smash

A form of ID should have no bearing on an NCT test as it means nothing regarding the car's safety. If they need one to issue the disc then the car should have been tested and the disc issued after ID was provided.

tossy

How does this work if the car is registered in say my name and i get the GF/wife to bring the car in for test as i am working.

munchkin_utd

ninty9er wrote: »

I know this one is my own fault because they tell you to bring ID, but much like most places in this country, they only accepts passport/driving licence at the NCT centre.

Sitting here €55 lighter, my car has already failed and it hasn't even entered a testing lane yet. What has my identity got to do with the roadworthiness of my car?

errrr

Is it not a prerequisite of DRIVING that you have the licence on you ?

So not only are you 55 euro lighter you are a law breaker for driving to the NCT without your licence in the first place.

puppetmaster

Must depend on the Testing Center, ive only ever brought cars to the Waterford center and ive never even thought to bring id (obiously never read the gear) . Saying that i have never been asked. after many visits with cars not all owned by me.

kildare.17hmr

There cant be any real reasoning behind it, iv tested dozons of vehicles, only one which has belonged to me in the last few years, showed my ID, a copy if which was not taken, along with a log book showing a different name. Pointless excercise imo Unless its just to get the fail rate up?

Gileadi

Do they ask for the Logbook now? Mines gone missing.

Marcin_diy

puppetmaster wrote: »

Must depend on the Testing Center, ive only ever brought cars to the Waterford center and ive never even thought to bring id (obiously never read the gear) . Saying that i have never been asked. after many visits with cars not all owned by me.

new rule since 1st of May 2012... try again and you will fail.
and answering question of Gileadi - yes u must havelogbook with you.

lifer_sean

Receptionist at NCT test centre told me the other day it is a key requirement. Had to show my license even though they see me several times a month and know me.

The explanation I got is that the RSA are pushing this agenda, wanting to know who is bringing in which cars for test, and making sure there is no pattern of a certain tester working on all cars from person x, etc.

It's not a big deal, and if it were to help prevent fraud we should welcome it.

TestTransmission

tossy wrote: »

How does this work if the car is registered in say my name and i get the GF/wife to bring the car in for test as i am working.

I've done it before,just brought the logbook,no issue

coylemj

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

If nothing else its only a visual retest but i agree it is a rediculas rule

How is it a 'only a visual retest' if the car never went into a test lane? It's not like he failed because he didn't remove the hubcaps.

BostonB

munchkin_utd wrote: »

errrr

Is it not a prerequisite of DRIVING that you have the licence on you ?

So not only are you 55 euro lighter you are a law breaker for driving to the NCT without your licence in the first place.

I would have thought that was the main issue here.

biko

Aw fack, that's crap you didn't need.
Hopefully this'll show others that they need to bring an ID.

2 stroke

Had an incident once where a friend dropped her car of at nct center very early and dropped her keys into my workplace. I cycled down to nct at appropriate time, she had all documents, fee, ect in the glovebox. They wanted to see my driving licience, scratched their heads for a few seconds when I showed them my bike then put it through on her licience. Thet did tell me to bring my own id in future.

djimi

lifer_sean wrote: »

Receptionist at NCT test centre told me the other day it is a key requirement. Had to show my license even though they see me several times a month and know me.

The explanation I got is that the RSA are pushing this agenda, wanting to know who is bringing in which cars for test, and making sure there is no pattern of a certain tester working on all cars from person x, etc.

It's not a big deal, and if it were to help prevent fraud we should welcome it.

Actually in fairness that makes sense, if indeed they are logging the ID details against the tester.

quietsailor

djimi wrote: »

Actually in fairness that makes sense, if indeed they are logging the ID details against the tester.

Ah hang on now, thats abit strong - a official-sorts government thingy actually showing sense, it shouldn't be allowed

kev1.3s

djimi wrote: »

lifer_sean wrote: »

Receptionist at NCT test centre told me the other day it is a key requirement. Had to show my license even though they see me several times a month and know me.

The explanation I got is that the RSA are pushing this agenda, wanting to know who is bringing in which cars for test, and making sure there is no pattern of a certain tester working on all cars from person x, etc.

It's not a big deal, and if it were to help prevent fraud we should welcome it.

Actually in fairness that makes sense, if indeed they are logging the ID details against the tester.

They dont log the details just a quick glance.
Someone who was testing there car with me last week didn't have there license with them and the car still did the test but a cert wasn't issued until the licence was presented, I just assumed it was so you could identify the owner in case anything underhanded was afoot.

munchkin_utd

biko wrote: »

Aw fack, that's crap you didn't need.
Hopefully this'll show others that they need to bring an ID.

again,
"crap" like a driving licence is needed to get the car to the testing centre in the first place.

Even if you tow the car or have it on a trailer, to drive the towing vehicle you would need a licence on you.

It must be the stupidest complaint ever about having to have an id (i.e. driving licence) on you for an NCT that you are legally obliged to carry in the first place to drive for the test !!

kildare.17hmr

coylemj wrote: »

How is it a 'only a visual retest' if the car never went into a test lane? It's not like he failed because he didn't remove the hubcaps.

Quote from the op

[/Quote]Sitting here €55 lighter, my car has already failed and it hasn't even entered a testing lane yet.[/Quote]

To me that reads like they are going ahead with the test, they are not going to take his money and not test the vehicle. He will then have to return with id to get a cert just like any free visual retest

smash

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

they are not going to take his money and not test the vehicle. He will then have to return with id to get a cert just like any free visual retest

Yes they are. Same way if you don't turn up or turn up late you still have to pay, then pay for the retest again.

djimi

munchkin_utd wrote: »

again,
"crap" like a driving licence is needed to get the car to the testing centre in the first place.

Even if you tow the car or have it on a trailer, to drive the towing vehicle you would need a licence on you.

It must be the stupidest complaint ever about having to have an id (i.e. driving licence) on you for an NCT that you are legally obliged to carry in the first place to drive for the test !!

Its not the job of the NCT center to ensure that the person driving the car is legally allowed to do so; their only responsibility is to ensure that the car itself is roadworthy. Whether or not the driver holds valid license is none of their concern.

kildare.17hmr

smash wrote: »

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

they are not going to take his money and not test the vehicle. He will then have to return with id to get a cert just like any free visual retest

Yes they are. Same way if you don't turn up or turn up late you still have to pay, then pay for the retest again.

No you dont, you get charged a cancelation fee at the time of the actual test, if you show up late today and they dont do the test you dont get charged today you get charged the cancelation fee when you come back again along with your full test fee

Stark

munchin_utd wrote:

again,
"crap" like a driving licence is needed to get the car to the testing centre in the first place.

Even if you tow the car or have it on a trailer, to drive the towing vehicle you would need a licence on you.

It must be the stupidest complaint ever about having to have an id (i.e. driving licence) on you for an NCT that you are legally obliged to carry in the first place to drive for the test !!

Not like no-one here as ever forgotten to bring their license in the car with them. I usually keep mine in the glove compartment so it's not an issue for me but for people who need to drive multiple cars/have motorbike etc., it's an easy thing to forget. At least the Gardaí are usually understanding when it comes to that and will give people a few days to produce.

MidlandsM

coylemj wrote: »

It's not like he failed because he didn't remove the hubcaps.

and in fairness, some of the nct centres are grand, I've often had testers remove hubcabs and threw them in the boot without a wimper........a lot of it is down to the induviduals in certain centres, some a job nazis, some are grand lads/ladies...:)

Turbulent Bill

kev1.3s wrote: »

Someone who was testing there car with me last week didn't have there license with them and the car still did the test but a cert wasn't issued until the licence was presented, I just assumed it was so you could identify the owner in case anything underhanded was afoot.

This is exactly what I saw in an NCT centre last week. A person's car was tested, but they were advised that the NCT cert couldn't be issued until they produced a passport or driver's licence. No idea whether their car passed or not, but the test went ahead as normal.

I had my licence with me for my own test, but from memory they didn't even look at it (had it placed on the counter).

sean1141

tossy wrote: »

How does this work if the car is registered in say my name and i get the GF/wife to bring the car in for test as i am working.

I dont think the name on the ID and the owner of the car have to be the same. I guess they just keep a record of the ID with the cars details on their system. Its one of the most stupid things about the nct

kildare.17hmr

They have never taken more than a quick glance at my licence, not long enough to make note of my name never mind licence number which would be needed if they were genuinley tracking if testers are doing lots of tests for the same person

coylemj

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Quote from the op

Sitting here €55 lighter, my car has already failed and it hasn't even entered a testing lane yet.

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

To me that reads like they are going ahead with the test, they are not going to take his money and not test the vehicle. He will then have to return with id to get a cert just like any free visual retest

You quoted the OP who said he was €55 lighter and you interpret that to mean that they were not going to take his money?

Paddy De Plasterer

ninty9er wrote: »

I know this one is my own fault because they tell you to bring ID, but much like most places in this country, they only accepts passport/driving licence at the NCT centre.

Sitting here €55 lighter, my car has already failed and it hasn't even entered a testing lane yet. What has my identity got to do with the roadworthiness of my car?

lest it be a stolen car i assume that some thief is trying to sell with NCT passed. There are so many chancers around now

kirving

Paddy De Plasterer wrote: »

lest it be a stolen car i assume that some thief is trying to sell with NCT passed. There are so many chancers around now

That still doesn't justify failing a mechanical test automatically if you don't have your licence. I agree that it should be recorded who was given the cert, and when, but not passing the test because of it ridiculous. Do the test, and give out the licence later if needs be.

Our man in Havana

Old news is still old.

kildare.17hmr

coylemj wrote: »

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Quote from the op

Sitting here €55 lighter, my car has already failed and it hasn't even entered a testing lane yet.

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

To me that reads like they are going ahead with the test, they are not going to take his money and not test the vehicle. He will then have to return with id to get a cert just like any free visual retest

You quoted the OP who said he was €55 lighter and you interpret that to mean that they were not going to take his money?

Try read it again man.

If they take the money they will test the vehicle, they will not take his money and refuse to do the test

coylemj

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Try read it again man.

If they take the money they will test the vehicle, they will not take his money and refuse to do the test

I've read it several times - man.

ninty9er wrote: »

Sitting here €55 lighter, my car has already failed and it hasn't even entered a testing lane yet.

He is €55 'lighter', I take that to mean that he has paid €55.

His says his car has already failed and hasn't even entered a testing lane. Is he saying that his car will be tested but he knows he will fail and that a visual (inspection of his driving licence in a day or so) will sort things out?

kildare.17hmr

You know well thats exactly what im saying :rolleyes:

ninty9er

They tested the car. It had 3 more visual fails, 2 of which weren't actually defective when I checked myself :rolleyes: and one of which (drivers window regulator cable snapped) I'm waiting on a replacement part for, but even if those 3 had not been defective on the test, I would still have failed.

Whilst it is a crime to drive without a licence, it is not a crime to have a licence but not have it on your person when driving. I do normally keep my licence in the car, but my dad was using it last week so my licence was in his car.

Whilst it is another day off work, at least it's only a visual retest so it's free

dahamsta

So you didn't drive it there then? Must've been knackered from the push.

You're quoting the old law. It's been against the law to drive without a licence /with you/ for a year or two now. Points offense too.

Del2005

Stark wrote: »

munchin_utd wrote:

again,
"crap" like a driving licence is needed to get the car to the testing centre in the first place.

Even if you tow the car or have it on a trailer, to drive the towing vehicle you would need a licence on you.

It must be the stupidest complaint ever about having to have an id (i.e. driving licence) on you for an NCT that you are legally obliged to carry in the first place to drive for the test !!

Not like no-one here as ever forgotten to bring their license in the car with them. I usually keep mine in the glove compartment so it's not an issue for me but for people who need to drive multiple cars/have motorbike etc., it's an easy thing to forget. At least the Gardaí are usually understanding when it comes to that and will give people a few days to produce.

I drive different cars and a motorbike. I always carry my licence in my wallet, there's a bit of a bend in it but it's still perfect. Don't know why people have a problem with carrying a legally required document.

BTW the Garda may give you a few days to produce, but you can still be done for not carrying it as that's a separate offence.

Stark

I have to bring an ID badge to work every day. Every so often I forget. These things happen. Not everyone lives up to boards.ie standards every day of the year.

Gumbo

Del2005 wrote: »

I drive different cars and a motorbike. I always carry my licence in my wallet, there's a bit of a bend in it but it's still perfect. Don't know why people have a problem with carrying a legally required document.

BTW the Garda may give you a few days to produce, but you can still be done for not carrying it as that's a separate offence.

Same here, i used to carry a colour photocopy when i was on the bike!
god bless the day when credit card style licences are issued! (on the way now, so should be soon)

kildare.17hmr

I always carried my licence in my wallet too, the top bit of it is in bits but still legable, just!

dahamsta

Licence size was one of the factors when I bought my wallet. I've carried it for years, with a copy of insurance in the visor since that's tied to the car. Never been understand why people wouldn't --perhaps ye like trips to the Garda station?

Dirkster

OSI wrote: »

To be honest there is really no excuse for a lot of these silly fails, when you book the NCT you are sent an email with a list of stuff that you must do and bring for the NCT to be carried out. If you couldn't be bothered to read the email, or the info on the site, it's really your own fault.

I assume the disclaimer part of that is so that they are not responsible for any damage caused is it? If so, how is that reasonable.

djimi

Del2005 wrote: »

I drive different cars and a motorbike. I always carry my licence in my wallet, there's a bit of a bend in it but it's still perfect. Don't know why people have a problem with carrying a legally required document.

BTW the Garda may give you a few days to produce, but you can still be done for not carrying it as that's a separate offence.

I used to carry my license in my wallet until it literally disintegrated and had to be replaced. I have a normal sized wallet.

If they want us to carry our license 24/7 then bring out a bloody credit card style license ASAP. Until then its just a ridiculous and impractical requirement.

michellie

Your licence numbers are now logged in the system, if its a fake or invalid it will be flagged and a cert won't print.

Also its the DRIVER not the owner who has to show their licence.

Dirkster

djimi wrote: »

I used to carry my license in my wallet until it literally disintegrated and had to be replaced. I have a normal sized wallet.

If they want us to carry our license 24/7 then bring out a bloody credit card style license ASAP. Until then its just a ridiculous and impractical requirement.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0229/licence.html

kilianmanning

Dirkster wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0229/licence.html

Thank god, only for EU requirements we surely would have been stuck with the paper one's for a long time

Del2005

djimi wrote: »

Del2005 wrote: »

I drive different cars and a motorbike. I always carry my licence in my wallet, there's a bit of a bend in it but it's still perfect. Don't know why people have a problem with carrying a legally required document.

BTW the Garda may give you a few days to produce, but you can still be done for not carrying it as that's a separate offence.

I used to carry my license in my wallet until it literally disintegrated and had to be replaced. I have a normal sized wallet.

If they want us to carry our license 24/7 then bring out a bloody credit card style license ASAP. Until then its just a ridiculous and impractical requirement.

I've a normal sized wallet licence is fine apart take slight bend at the top. It fits nearly perfect sideways. How where you putting it in?

Our man in Havana

Back on topic folks. Want to discuss the merits of wallets start a new thread.

Gumbo

I have to NCT my grandads car tonight.
Will i be ok with the Logbook (in his name) and my drivers licence (in my name obviously)?