Will Joe Schmidt take the Ireland job?

Kayless

Watching the RTE panel last night during the Munster - Ospreys game, Donal Lenihan mentioned that Schmidt has now "become a big name down in NZ". So, what is the likelihood of Schmidt actually taking the Ireland job?? And if he does, who would take his place at Leinster?

Not to state the obvious but I for one think Ireland would become a much better team under Schmidt...

Fishooks12

How many of these threads are there going to be between now and the time Kindeys contract runs out next year?!

lologram

Fishooks12 wrote: »

How many of these threads are there going to be between now and the time Kindeys contract runs out next year?!

Roughly sideways 8

Kayless

Fishooks12 wrote: »

How many of these threads are there going to be between now and the time Kindeys contract runs out next year?!

Maybe if you answered the question instead of answering with a QUESTION there wouldn't be as many

I genuinely want to know what the chances are of Schmidt taking the job...

PhatPiggins

I hope he gets it mainly so Eddie Wigglesworth can stick this comment up his arse:

“The IRFU have a responsibility to deliver for the national team,” said Wigglesworth. “Joe is not one of these guys who just takes a personal view in terms of what is best for him. He has a very holistic and long-term approach but, at the end of the day, he is only going to be here for four or five years.
“We have been around for 130 years and we have to be around successfully for another 130 years. We have to take a much wider scope of things

CIARAN_BOYLE

Kayless wrote: »

And if he does, who would take his place at Leinster?

I would hope for Jonno Gibbes to take the job if Schmidt leaves, bringing in a quality backs coach as well

Quint2010

I would love him to get the job. He would pick the team based on merit and coach them in a way thats gives the players confidence and with a gameplan that brings the joy of playing rugby back to the players again. The polar opposite of the current coach basically.

ray jay

Kayless wrote: »

Maybe if you answered the question instead of answering with a QUESTION there wouldn't be as many

I genuinely want to know what the chances are of Schmidt taking the job...

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tolosenc

No. Because it's the IRFU and not Kidney that make the horrendous decisions, so he'd change nothing.

:rolleyes:

I think he should stay where he is. Doing a great job, and if he gets the Ireland job, his non selection of Zebo, etc. will be because of his Leinster bias rather than because Gilroy, etc. is far better.

CatFromHue

PhatPiggins wrote: »

I hope he gets it mainly so Eddie Wigglesworth can stick this comment up his arse:

“The IRFU have a responsibility to deliver for the national team,” said Wigglesworth. “Joe is not one of these guys who just takes a personal view in terms of what is best for him. He has a very holistic and long-term approach but, at the end of the day, he is only going to be here for four or five years.
“We have been around for 130 years and we have to be around successfully for another 130 years. We have to take a much wider scope of things

What is he trying to say here?

Foreigners out.....dey tuk r jabs!

Fireball07

tolosenc wrote: »

No. Because it's the IRFU and not Kidney that make the horrendous decisions, so he'd change nothing.

:rolleyes:

I think he should stay where he is. Doing a great job, and if he gets the Ireland job, his non selection of Zebo, etc. will be because of his Leinster bias rather than because Gilroy, etc. is far better.

That wouldn't be a Leinster bias...Gilroy plays for Ulster.


His Leinster bias would come through when he picks that wasteman Heaslip ahead of Ireland's best young player, POM, picking the dodgy Reddan ahead of the most promising scrum-half Ireland have had since Stringer not to mention choosing anybody ahead of the ligind that is ROG.

JRant

Putting country first, I'd love to see him get the job. He has a great understanding of the players available to Ireland through his coaching of Leinster. He would have studied Ulster, Munster and Connaght squads to play against them.
Also, not only does he have us playing great attacking rugby but we're the most physical team around if it comes to an armwestle( that Clermont game was momumentally physical). He's a fantastic tactician who gives the players every chance by equiping them with the skills and confidence to play whats in front of them. It's a no-brainer really but that doesn't amounts to a hill of beans to the blazers.
It would also be a great opportunity for him to prove his credentials at international level and I think he would relish the challenge. If he got Ireland playing the way we can/ should be playing and got us beating SH oppostion, you'd have to imagine a big job( maybe even the AB's gig) would be his for the taking.

PhatPiggins

CatFromHue wrote: »

What is he trying to say here?

Foreigners out.....dey tuk r jabs!

What I took from the comment was that Schmidt was just a blowin and his opinion didn't count for much.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/1228/1224309550504.html

And when Schmidt wins a hat trick of HC's and two Triple Crowns and a Grandslam with Ireland (if he gets/wants the job) will his opinion still mean so little ?

chancer12

tolosenc wrote: »

No. Because it's the IRFU and not Kidney that make the horrendous decisions, so he'd change nothing.

:rolleyes:

I think he should stay where he is. Doing a great job, and if he gets the Ireland job, his non selection of Zebo, etc. will be because of his Leinster bias rather than because Gilroy, etc. is far better.

His non-selection of Zebo would be because there are much better options

Sandwlch

Fishooks12 wrote: »

How many of these threads are there going to be between now and the time Kindeys contract runs out next year?!

As many as it takes to vent our frustration until he is gone.

Larbre34

I know of Joe and his family a little bit through a school connection and I know theyve all settled in well in Dublin 6. It will take another 6 or 7 years for the last of his kids to complete secondary school, which I get the impression is something they want to do here, in which case another year at Leinster plus an opportunity to coach Ireland for a cycle of 4 years might bring him close to an ideal date to be able to move on.

I wouldnt be surprised to see him lead a big team in France but he has all the ability to be All Blacks head coach some day, wouldnt it be nice to welcome him back in a black trackie when we host the World Cup in 2023!

CoDy1

He is basically coaching the majority of the national team as it is, and doing a pretty impressive job. I can understand the Leinster lads 'feck off, he's ours' mentality!!

part time punk

Pedant alert but mods can we change thread title to 'would joe take the ireland job' The will makes if seem he's just been offered the job and could cause hurt, upset and confusion.

ReallyWiggy

CoDy1 wrote: »

He is basically coaching the majority of the national team as it is, and doing a pretty impressive job. I can understand the Leinster lads 'feck off, he's ours' mentality!!

I really hope leinster don't have that mentality, they are a feeding ground for the national team, if Schmidt is best man for the job he should be offered it. Leinster already allowed BOD choose club over country this year, let's not continue with that trend.

irishbucsfan

ReallyWiggy wrote: »

I really hope leinster don't have that mentality, they are a feeding ground for the national team, if Schmidt is best man for the job he should be offered it. Leinster already allowed BOD choose club over country this year, let's not continue with that trend.

How on earth did BOD choose club over country? He went to the world cup with a completely destroyed shoulder and played through the pain for Ireland and then had to sit out almost the entire season for Leinster?

ReallyWiggy

irishbucsfan wrote: »

ReallyWiggy wrote: »

I really hope leinster don't have that mentality, they are a feeding ground for the national team, if Schmidt is best man for the job he should be offered it. Leinster already allowed BOD choose club over country this year, let's not continue with that trend.

How on earth did BOD choose club over country? He went to the world cup with a completely destroyed shoulder and played through the pain for Ireland and then had to sit out almost the entire season for Leinster?

he chose his elective surgery to coincide with the 6N, returned playing the week after the mauling of Ireland in twickenham. He could have had that surgery earlier or later.

irishbucsfan

ReallyWiggy wrote: »

he chose his elective surgery to coincide with the 6N, returned playing the week after the mauling of Ireland in twickenham. He could have had that surgery earlier or later.

That's absolute rubbish. He couldn't have it later as he was playing through pain. He could have had it earlier and missed the World Cup. Would that also have been "choosing club over country?".

The guy dragged himself through the summer and world cup with one dead arm. If he was going to choose club over country surely he'd have the surgery in May 2011 and be back in time for the entire Heineken Cup?

I've read some bizarrely one-eyed things on here, but this is definitely one of the least considered.

padser

ReallyWiggy wrote: »

I really hope leinster don't have that mentality, they are a feeding ground for the national team, if Schmidt is best man for the job he should be offered it. Leinster already allowed BOD choose club over country this year, let's not continue with that trend.

Anyone watching him play with one shoulder in NZ followed by missing almost the entire season with Leinster would dispute that.

Also WTF with your next comment? He didn't play one game rugby between the Welsh QF and returning for Leinser 3 weeks ago (in time to play hopefully about 5 games for Leinster and then tour NZ

RachaelVO

PhatPiggins wrote: »

What I took from the comment was that Schmidt was just a blowin and his opinion didn't count for much.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/1228/1224309550504.html

And when Schmidt wins a hat trick of HC's and two Triple Crowns and a Grandslam with Ireland (if he gets/wants the job) will his opinion still mean so little ?

I don't think that's what he meant at all... he was being facetous about what Eddie Wigglesworth was saying about of Schmidt not outlasting the womens institutue that is the IRFU. He wasn't really slagging off the fact that Schmidt isn't Irish (correct me if I'm wrong CatFromHue)

If I'm honest, I think the IRFU are just gonna look for a yes man for the national side, and Schmidt wouldn't be that. Although I'd hate to see him leave Leinster, but I'd rather loose him to the National side than, for example to the SH!

lologram

ReallyWiggy wrote: »

I really hope leinster don't have that mentality, they are a feeding ground for the national team, if Schmidt is best man for the job he should be offered it. Leinster already allowed BOD choose club over country this year, let's not continue with that trend.

AmbyJ

I really hope that our next coach is foreign. Schmidt is obviously one of the best coaches in the world. Anything would be better than kidney.

Playing DOC when he doesnt even start in Munster. Playing Keith Earls at 13????????????
Never looking at the young talent in Ulster. denis Leamy, Mick O Driscoll...........................................

I am sick of the little runt. He only stayed until next year as he thought he was going to get the Lions contract.

The IRFU have a lot to answer for.

prospect

Michael Cheika for Ireland Coach !

vkid

Personally I hope they don't give it to Joe. Not because he is not a good coach, but I really think they should go completely outside the provincial setups for any future irish coach. There is enough nonsense about Kidney and his Munster bias etc

A fresh start altogether is whats needed imo.

JRant

vkid wrote: »

Personally I hope they don't give it to Joe. Not because he is not a good coach, but I really think they should go completely outside the provincial setups for any future irish coach. There is enough nonsense about Kidney and his Munster bias etc

A fresh start altogether is whats needed imo.

So you wouldn't have Joe schmidt because of Kidneys blind loyalty to all things Munster. Come on, he would be the best man for the job if you ask me. There's no way we would see the same carry on from Joe that Kidney has been up to the last couple of seasons and who knows a couple of the Ulster lads might even get a run out if he were manager

.ak

I'd still like someone with a decent CV brought in from outside of Ireland. Whilst I'm sure Joe would be amazing, why can't we have both?

totallegend

.ak wrote: »

I'd still like someone with a decent CV brought in from outside of Ireland. Whilst I'm sure Joe would be amazing, why can't we have both?

Yeah, Schmidt taking the Ireland job means Leinster have to go out and find someone else.

Plus, there were persistent rumours that when Gatland was in charge, there was a significant presence within the IRFU that wanted an Irish guy in charge and that's why EOS was installed as assistant and eventually promoted. I don't think Schmidt would want that sort of hassle.

shuffol

totallegend wrote: »

Yeah, Schmidt taking the Ireland job means Leinster have to go out and find someone else.

Plus, there were persistent rumours that when Gatland was in charge, there was a significant presence within the IRFU that wanted an Irish guy in charge and that's why EOS was installed as assistant and eventually promoted. I don't think Schmidt would want that sort of hassle.

I think this is a large part of the reason for the lack of pressure being put on Kidney by the media, he and Elwood are the only Irish coaches left in the country and should Kidney leave his replacement would most likely be foreign. Thus none of the top jobs in the country would be occupied by an Irishman.

Mr.Applepie

Fireball07 wrote: »

That wouldn't be a Leinster bias...Gilroy plays for Ulster.


His Leinster bias would come through when he picks that wasteman Heaslip ahead of Ireland's best young player, POM, picking the dodgy Reddan ahead of the most promising scrum-half Ireland have had since Stringer not to mention choosing anybody ahead of the ligind that is ROG.

You lot down in Munster - you find a forward that can run for more than 5 metres without falling down and you get all doe-eyed. So far this year POM has been a natural 6, a natural 7 - is he now a natural 8?

Also Luke McGrath will be the starting Irish 9 by the end of next season!

jm08

Will Joe Schmidt take the Ireland job?

Not if he has any sense. Stuart Barnes reckons that Ireland Coach is the worst international job going.

Ireland the hardest job there is -- Barnes

By Ruaidhri O'Connor

STUART BARNES believes Declan Kidney has the toughest job in international rugby in trying to turn provincial success into Ireland triumph.


http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ireland-the-hardest-job-there-is-barnes-3109001.html

jm08

Mr.Applepie wrote: »

You lot down in Munster - you find a forward that can run for more than 5 metres without falling down and you get all doe-eyed. So far this year POM has been a natural 6, a natural 7 - is he now a natural 8?

He is just a natural rugby player! Played on the wing for Con in the AIL

Also Luke McGrath will be the starting Irish 9 by the end of next season!

He will deserve to be if he can do what Conor Murray did and jump two international SHs for his province.

Podge_irl

Mr.Applepie wrote: »

Also Luke McGrath will be the starting Irish 9 by the end of next season!

I'd be surprised if he was sub Leinster 9 by then.

Teferi

jm08 wrote: »

Will Joe Schmidt take the Ireland job?

Not if he has any sense. Stuart Barnes reckons that Ireland Coach is the worst international job going.

Barnes talks about the depth of talent we have available yet Kidney absolutely does not bring that talent through unless absolutely forced to. Ryan should have been starting this year but was shafted until POC was injured. Ryan should have started ahead of DOC, he's been in cracking form and managed a MOM performance in the one game (if memory serves...) he started.

Tox56

jm08 wrote: »

Will Joe Schmidt take the Ireland job?

Not if he has any sense. Stuart Barnes reckons that Ireland Coach is the worst international job going.

The best comment on that article:

"Barnes talks a lot of bull about leinster. No way are they a great team. The best teams in Europe are all in transition at the moment, so Leinster are winning titles that are of less value, there should be a asterix besides there title wins in the record books.
As for Ireland, Kidney needs to go back a munster pack with munster values if he wants to win at internatinal level, flash harry rugby may be good at club level but not agin the all blacks"

jm08

Teferi wrote: »

Barnes talks about the depth of talent we have available yet Kidney absolutely does not bring that talent through unless absolutely forced to. Ryan should have been starting this year but was shafted until POC was injured. Ryan should have started ahead of DOC, he's been in cracking form and managed a MOM performance in the one game (if memory serves...) he started.

Wouldn't make any difference which Munster lock was played - both play Munster style which seems to be incompatible to the way Ulster & Leinster play.

If anything it argues for DOC's inclusion - he has more of experience playing with U&L players when with Ireland.

Teferi

Tox56 wrote: »

"Barnes talks a lot of bull about leinster. No way are they a great team. The best teams in Europe are all in transition at the moment, so Leinster are winning titles that are of less value, there should be a asterix besides there title wins in the record books.
As for Ireland, Kidney needs to go back a munster pack with munster values if he wants to win at internatinal level, flash harry rugby may be good at club level but not agin the all blacks"

- Cpt_Blackbeard

Mr.Applepie

jm08 wrote: »

He is just a natural rugby player! Played on the wing for Con in the AIL



He will deserve to be if he can do what Conor Murray did and jump two international SHs for his province.

Podge_irl wrote: »

I'd be surprised if he was sub Leinster 9 by then.

Sometimes this forum can be too serious

Tox56

jm08 wrote: »

Wouldn't make any difference which Munster lock was played - both play Munster style which seems to be incompatible to the way Ulster & Leinster play.

If anything it argues for DOC's inclusion - he has more of experience playing with U&L players when with Ireland.

So he should try play how Leinster and Ulster play! 80-90 percent of the team should be made up of Ulster + Leinster players, so don't play the way Munster play, which he is right now.

With the players at his disposal, the failure to play a more expansive game has to be primarily caused by the coaching staff. Kidney refuses (or is unable) to play a higher tempo game.

jm08

Tox56 wrote: »

So he should try play how Leinster and Ulster play! 80-90 percent of the team should be made up of Ulster + Leinster players, so don't play the way Munster play, which he is right now.

There are 3 different styles, not 2. Barnes points out that its not possible to change the style of the provinces to one style internationally. You'd need to just use one team to be successful. All Welsh teams for instance play the same way, so its easier for them to play together internationally.

With the players at his disposal, the failure to play a more expansive game has to be primarily caused by the coaching staff. Kidney refuses (or is unable) to play a higher tempo game.

Do you think that Schmidt could change the style of Munster in 2 weeks to play like Leinster?

Tox56

jm08 wrote: »

There are 3 different styles, not 2. Barnes points out that its not possible to change the style of the provinces to one style internationally. You'd need to just use one team to be successful. All Welsh teams for instance play the same way, so its easier for them to play together internationally.




Do you think that Schmidt could change the style of Munster in 2 weeks to play like Leinster?

Well I disagree with Barnes that Ulster play a significantly different style to Leinster. They would certainly be easier to convert than Munster players, but there are few of them in the team at the moment.

Realistically it is possible that the entire backline (with the exception of Bowe) are Leinster players, why would it be so difficult for Kidney to prevent them playing the stuttering, undecisive rubbish they are serving up at the moment?

I don't know about converting Munster, but he wouldn't need to if he was manager of Ireland, and I'm fairly sure he could get the Ulster players on board.

A full strength Irish team would have virtually no Munster players outside the second rows at the moment, we will see what Kidney does in NZ.

Fireball07

Mr.Applepie wrote: »

You lot down in Munster - you find a forward that can run for more than 5 metres without falling down and you get all doe-eyed. So far this year POM has been a natural 6, a natural 7 - is he now a natural 8?

Also Luke McGrath will be the starting Irish 9 by the end of next season!

It is true that he's just a natural player. He's amazing! It's a disgrace that he was only on the bench for Ireland in the 6N, he's got more talent than the other 3 put together, SOB and Ferris are just brainless boshers and Heaslip hasn't been good since 2009.


Luke McGrath is like an inferior version of Stringer

.ak

Tox56 wrote: »

The best comment on that article:

"Barnes talks a lot of bull about leinster. No way are they a great team. The best teams in Europe are all in transition at the moment, so Leinster are winning titles that are of less value, there should be a asterix besides there title wins in the record books.
As for Ireland, Kidney needs to go back a munster pack with munster values if he wants to win at internatinal level, flash harry rugby may be good at club level but not agin the all blacks"

Hahah, I loved that one too. Causing a bit of a store over in LF, but who cares? Defo good for the laugh.

'flash harry rugby'

:cool:

ambid

jm08 wrote: »

Will Joe Schmidt take the Ireland job?

Not if he has any sense. Stuart Barnes reckons that Ireland Coach is the worst international job going.
Ireland the hardest job there is -- Barnes

By Ruaidhri O'Connor

STUART BARNES believes Declan Kidney has the toughest job in international rugby in trying to turn provincial success into Ireland triumph.


http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugb...s-3109001.html

That article is rubbish. Barnes has been known to talk some ****e in his time, but this is as bad as anything I've seen from him.

"...because there are so many options. That doesn't make it easier, it makes it harder...". Yes we all yearn for the 1990s when Ireland had barely a handful of test class players. Picking a team when we have so many more world class players available is clearly much harder

"when [Welsh] players go from the region to the national squad it is a step up. Psychologically, that makes a difference." Well that just means the international coach needs to be a smarter and better than provincial coaches. Very few would argue that is the case now.

I felt myself getting dumber as I read that Barnes article. It should come with a health warning.

jm08

Tox56 wrote: »

Well I disagree with Barnes that Ulster play a significantly different style to Leinster. They would certainly be easier to convert than Munster players, but there are few of them in the team at the moment.

Realistically it is possible that the entire backline (with the exception of Bowe) are Leinster players, why would it be so difficult for Kidney to prevent them playing the stuttering, undecisive rubbish they are serving up at the moment?

I don't know about converting Munster, but he wouldn't need to if he was manager of Ireland, and I'm fairly sure he could get the Ulster players on board.

A full strength Irish team would have virtually no Munster players outside the second rows at the moment, we will see what Kidney does in NZ.

Schmidt would need to get POC/Ryan/Tuohy/DOC playing like a leinster 2nd row in 1-2 weeks - do you think he could do it?

Would you drop Rory Best for Cronin? (cronin is far more dynamic in the loose than Best, but Best is the better player now).

What about Ferris - I don't think the Ireland backrow functions as well as the Leinster one - would you drop him or would he learn how to play like Leinster in 1-2 weeks?

JRant

Tox56 wrote: »

jm08 wrote: »

There are 3 different styles, not 2. Barnes points out that its not possible to change the style of the provinces to one style internationally. You'd need to just use one team to be successful. All Welsh teams for instance play the same way, so its easier for them to play together internationally.




Do you think that Schmidt could change the style of Munster in 2 weeks to play like Leinster?

Well I disagree with Barnes that Ulster play a significantly different style to Leinster. They would certainly be easier to convert than Munster players, but there are few of them in the team at the moment.

Realistically it is possible that the entire backline (with the exception of Bowe) are Leinster players, why would it be so difficult for Kidney to prevent them playing the stuttering, undecisive rubbish they are serving up at the moment?

I don't know about converting Munster, but he wouldn't need to if he was manager of Ireland, and I'm fairly sure he could get the Ulster players on board.

A full strength Irish team would have virtually no Munster players outside the second rows at the moment, we will see what Kidney does in NZ.

Agree 100%. With Paulie looking doubtful only Ryan should be making the team as it stands (maybe Earls on the bench to cover the back line). The real worry is we could have 5/6/7 Munster lads in the team to play the AB's. Thats frightening stuff altogether.

Fireball07

With Bowe and Fitz out, I would definitely have Earls as a starter, no doubt in my mind.

JRant

jm08 wrote: »

Tox56 wrote: »

Well I disagree with Barnes that Ulster play a significantly different style to Leinster. They would certainly be easier to convert than Munster players, but there are few of them in the team at the moment.

Realistically it is possible that the entire backline (with the exception of Bowe) are Leinster players, why would it be so difficult for Kidney to prevent them playing the stuttering, undecisive rubbish they are serving up at the moment?

I don't know about converting Munster, but he wouldn't need to if he was manager of Ireland, and I'm fairly sure he could get the Ulster players on board.

A full strength Irish team would have virtually no Munster players outside the second rows at the moment, we will see what Kidney does in NZ.

Schmidt would need to get POC/Ryan/Tuohy/DOC playing like a leinster 2nd row in 1-2 weeks - do you think he could do it?

Would you drop Rory Best for Cronin? (cronin is far more dynamic in the loose than Best, but Best is the better player now).

What about Ferris - I don't think the Ireland backrow functions as well as the Leinster one - would you drop him or would he learn how to play like Leinster in 1-2 weeks?

Most goid coaches would sort that out easy enough

1: Don't have your 2nd rowers at first reciever every single play. Get them away from the wings anc have them clearing out rucks like they're supposed to.

2: Leave Best where he is but a little rotation and competition can only be good for both.

3: Get a SH on the pitch who knows how to free up the backrow and any sort of attacking nous from the coach will get the best out of Ferris and SOB.