ICABS push for bill to ban hare coursing

Sparks

Story on TheJournal.ie today notes that ICABS are using NPWS reports to push for hare coursing to be banned under the upcoming Animal Welfare Bill. The Minister said back in March that this wouldn't happen, but now they're pushing a private members bill specifically to ban coursing.

(Sorry for the lack of quotes, the copyright rules are fun thanks to Sherlock's SI )

pugw

F*cking hippy's, they dont have a hope!

CJhaughey

I wonder what the Organisation previously known as R.I.S.E has to say about this?;)
How many of them are now sitting in positions of power now?

pugw

Would the general consensus be that rise was set up for 1 reason ie to preserve the ward union hunt, dthat they just played to the crowd to get other fieldsports people to use them to come out on the streets?? There has been very little about them since the hunt was banned!

Madam

Good!!!!

sfakiaman

Having an ex-president of ICABS in the cabinet won't hurt them either. Great how these tiny minorities manage to worm their way into positions of power. :mad:

Birdnuts

I continue to be amazed and bemused at the amount of media attention this tiny fringe organization gets in the Irish media and poltical circles. They really have nothing positive to offer and seem only interested in pointless sh*t stirring. My views on them would be shared by many genuine conservation bodies as well as the general hunting lobby.

Sparks

Seems that John FitzGerald (from ICABS) is now commenting on that Journal article.

No6

And inaccurate as usual, "Surveys reveal the majority of rural dewellers oppose coursing!!" lets see them then so!! Surveys of ICABS members who live in rural areas is it??:eek:

snipe02

Sparks wrote: »

Seems that John FitzGerald (from ICABS) is now commenting on that Journal article.

read the comments most of them come across as either not having a clue or being completely mental with a few sensible one also as long as these nutjobs remain nutjobs we could be safe people have greater things to worry about and most of them dont care enough to do anything about it but whatever you may feel about rise they were right that all fieldsports should stick together safety in numbers i have no real interest in coursing but feel we all really need to stick together because if these nutjobs get there way the whole lot will be gone from fishing to coursing and everything in between

Grizzly 45

No6 wrote: »

And inaccurate as usual, "Surveys reveal the majority of rural dewellers oppose coursing!!" lets see them then so!! Surveys of ICABS members who live in rural areas is it??:eek:

You will find that the survey was done in the 1970s!! 76 or 78 if I remember rightly.Otherwise all the surveys that havent gone in ICABS favour are dismissed out of hand by them as rigged or unscientific.

Although the coursers didnt do any favours for themselves by posting instructions on how to rig an opinion poll on one of their websites that was being monitored by the antis.They are making great hay out of that at the moment.:rolleyes:

As for the two nutjob Trottys,one who inherited Tony Greghorys inner city seat,I doubt that this will go very far.Even having the dubious title of ICABS "president"which they bestow on anyone who gives them more than ten mins of political, or air time is meaningless in Realpolitk.

.243

Birdnuts wrote: »

I continue to be amazed and bemused at the amount of media attention this tiny fringe organization gets in the Irish media and poltical circles. They really have nothing positive to offer and seem only interested in pointless sh*t stirring.

simply because sh1t stirring sells papers,the media are like the little boys who peer pressure a kid to go kick-kacking on someones door,
they then just hold back and watch it happen,and then enjoy the laugh at someone elses expense (or in the medias case reel in the cash from selling papers)

sfakiaman

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Even having the dubious title of ICABS "president"which they bestow on anyone who gives them more than ten mins of political, or air time is meaningless in Realpolitk.

Allan Shatter still thinks it's worth putting in the personal profile section of his web site ("and was for many years President of the Irish Council against Blood Sports".)

Longranger

sfakiaman wrote: »

Allan Shatter still thinks it's worth putting in the personal profile section of his web site ("and was for many years President of the Irish Council against Blood Sports".)

"Justice"...................my arse!

blackstairsboy

pugw wrote: »

Would the general consensus be that rise was set up for 1 reason ie to preserve the ward union hunt, dthat they just played to the crowd to get other fieldsports people to use them to come out on the streets?? There has been very little about them since the hunt was banned!

Lads just to let you know that RISE is very much alive and well. They will I am sure be fighting this if or when it becomes a serious issue and not just an newspaper article on a slow press day. In fact they are currently recruiting young lads to try and bring a little more modern perspective on the thing. Also there is a hell of a lot of young lads involved in all types of fieldsports so they should also be involved in protecting them. I can assure you they were not set up for the protection of the Ward Union. Sure the lad at the top of it has no more to do with the Ward Union than Santa Clause!

pheasntstalker

:mad:gobsh!tes they must have feck all to do,what nxt ban keeping goldfish in bowls!!!me thinks theyre p!ssing against the wind:rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

sfakiaman wrote: »

Allan Shatter still thinks it's worth putting in the personal profile section of his web site ("and was for many years President of the Irish Council against Blood Sports".)

So was the Leprachaun...Err...Current president Micheal D,Senator David Norris,one or two Greenies,Tony Greghory and Alan Shatter.

A nice rainbow of Irish politics there.TBH people can be what they want ,and if they want to call themselves president of an animal rights crackpot brigade,fine by me.[Although methinks some of the anti supporters would be only too glad to see Min Shatters spirtual homeland,Israel be burnt to the ground and be run as a nice progressive,friendly democratic fundamentalist Muslim country]

So long as it doesnt cloud your sense of objectivity and balance and reason when it comes to legislation or work.

Considering Min Shatter's religious faith,I wonder how he equated Kosher killing [near enough same as Halal] with being a figure head of an animal rights group that condems such practises as totally inhumane?

The Jewish people have a word for it.... Chutzpah!:pac:

Sparks

More ICABS nonsense?

Grizzly 45

Same old faces in that pic as hundreds of others,and about the same number of numpties as usual..
Obviously phase two of their campaign,after asking nicely[with about as non threatning an attitude as a mob heavy looking for the overdue loan payment] wasnt sucessful they now have to resort to "sterner" tactics.:eek::rolleyes:.

Later
Just had a look at their website and as usual it was a "great sucess " with literally "thousands of people finding out about Boyle sports policies." They must have a loss of membership again as sure enough the Boul Bernie Wright from the Hunt Sabs carrot top head is to be seen in one of the pics.Intresting that the respectable ICABS is palling up with the loose cannons again..Dogs returning to their vomit I guess.
Next they are going to "ask" JP Mac Manaus to stop sponsoring hare coursing...
Good luck on that one ICABS...JP breeds coursing greyhounds himself,and I think those letters will be put to good use down on his farm,as animal bedding.

Sparks

And again today...

Why exactly ICABS/CACS/AOHS is pushing for a garda investigation when sanctions were already handed down isn't quite fully explained...

meathstevie

I don't particularly support hare coursing as I've no interest in it whatsoever but I do shoot the odd hare when in season.

The one issue I don't understand is why the likes of ICABS keep harping on about greyhounds being put down when too slow or old. It's not like these animals are kept as pets, they're used for racing which is an industry where quite a bit of money can be at stake. As long as they're put down as quick and painless as possible I don't see any issues. It's not like race horse owners hold on to horses that don't make the cut or farmers hold on to breeding stock that's below standard.

Grizzly 45

Sparks wrote: »

And again today...

Why exactly ICABS/CACS/AOHS is pushing for a garda investigation when sanctions were already handed down isn't quite fully explained...

Milking it for all its PR worth, noise to keep their agenda in the media,and to use every incident to discredit the greyhound industry.Make them out to be a profit orientated unscrupulous organisation that doesnt care about the animals so you can swing public sympathy against them.
Liked your reply on the journo BTW

Grizzly 45

meathstevie wrote: »

I don't particularly support hare coursing as I've no interest in it whatsoever but I do shoot the odd hare when in season.

The one issue I don't understand is why the likes of ICABS keep harping on about greyhounds being put down when too slow or old. It's not like these animals are kept as pets, they're used for racing which is an industry where quite a bit of money can be at stake. As long as they're put down as quick and painless as possible I don't see any issues. It's not like race horse owners hold on to horses that don't make the cut or farmers hold on to breeding stock that's below standard.

Trouble is in alot of cases they are not put down humanely,and there the antis do have a winning point.All we have to look at is incidents like those fcuking Gob****e down in Co Limerick that was dumpingshot greyhounds out in a quarry or the other CNUT who was chucking them off the pier into the estuary near Glin[Which just happens to be a coursing meet track].
As well as stupid idiots curtting the ears and ID tattoos off their dogs and dumping them.:mad::mad:

Idiots like that are just handing the antis loaded guns to shoot the coursing and greyhound industry right between the eyes. Its one of the main reasons Bernie Wright has a registerd Irish charity called Greyhound Rescue,and she specifically rescues and rehomes ex racing greyhounds.
I really wonder why?????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Then we have the stupidity of big PR of shipping greyhounds to race in China!! Enough said on how dogs are treated out there..:( As a dog lover and by and large us Westerners are ,it is repugnent that we would consider eating our best friend.As a realist,and being pragmatic about it I could understand why the Chinese would consider a dog as a food source.
However how many people would be able to look at it in those terms???

Ultimately, the greyhound industry is its own biggest enemy here.It seriously needs to do a major house clean up and purge out some of its more nastier habits.Not to mind start some very serious inhouse inspections of its members and their policies of dealing with end of life dogs.Otherwise it wont be a question of IF but WHEN the Irish greyhound industry is disassembled under some sort of EU animal rights directive.

Here endth the rant.:)

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Liked your reply on the journo BTW

Yeah, well. ICABS annoy me, and it doesn't help when they ring my office looking to lodge a formal complaint over a comment on thejournal.ie.

Would have been funny if they'd gotten through though, they'd have wound up talking to a hunter...

Grizzly 45

Well, doesnt that show what kind of fascists they are!!! Cant hack it in cyberspace they have to go and complain to your company to try and shut you up with bully tactics... BIG Babies:rolleyes:

Be great to return the favour,except most of them are unemployable dossers posing as "journalists "[Tierney,Fitzgerald] or" artists "and "writers"[Fitzgerald]thussly claiming tax free status.:(

PS next time they do ring up,it be great if you could let them speak to your boss and get the conversation recorded.We could all do with a laugh in these hard times.:D

Sparks

Alas, he's since changed companies Grizz, but it would have been pretty classic...

Shoot2kill

It's not that I don't take it seriously but everytime I hear or read some bull**** speech from anyone involved in ICABS I seem to laugh a little... They are no more than a bunch uneducated idiots who can never seem to back up any arguement they have with anything else other than out of date information or stuff they just seem to make up....

A classic line from Fr. Ted comes to mind...."down with that sort of thing"


Ohh......"easy now":D

thelurcher

The Irish Coursing Club have nothing to answer here - they took correct and appropriate action.
That said I'd agree with the anti scum - the people doing the doping should be prosecuted. It would send out the right message to any other idiot that would try the same - and help protect the sport long into the future.

I have no interest in coursing - went to Clonmel a few times and the hares are treated a lot better than the spectators.

I know the questions about RISE on this thread are a few months old but they did start up a new campaign specifically to monitor the Animal Health and Welfare Bill 2012.
However they are a fairly ineffective group really - as can be seen from their track record to date. Luckily there are some individual organizations that are fighting our corner a lot more effectively.

Grizzly 45

What is actually the story with this group??
There was a big fanfare about them relaunching in June in Cork......And what exactly happened on this momenteous occasion?? Was anyone there??As there isnt much details about it in either the press or the shooting circles.. This months or last months ISD has Des Crofton having a pop at Phil Hogan about dud election promises and about how FG will soon feel the wrath of RISE,Risen?[Are the members Risers or the Risen??]
I mean what are they all about,and is it going anyplace fast??

pugw

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

most of them are unemployable dossers posing as "journalists "[Tierney,Fitzgerald] or" artists "and "writers"[Fitzgerald]thussly claiming tax free status..

Classic, it's about time someone said it, they are the greatest load of free loading wasters around! I think its time to just start ignoring them and their imaginary "support", their membership is miniscule compared to the Irish Coursing Club, only trouble is the ordinary person on the street might be inclined to fall for their bullsh*t! I think they are given way too much airtime considering their size and are often allowed make their point unchecked! Its as simple as this, the shooting of hares is taboo in a lot of places in ireland, many farmers dont allow them to be shot because their lands are preserves for coursing clubs or they are coursing enthusiasts. Ban Coursing and see what happens to the hare population, they will be treated as vermin (same as rabbits) and every lad with a shotgun will be out popping them off!

Vizzy

Lads, I've said this before on here and I'll keep saying it-Fcuk em.

I would pride myself in being an animal lover but ICABS and their likes are simply a shower of eco-warriors with virtually no support.
Ask youselves,how often have you been approached by any of the Anti's seeking support for their cause.I can honestly say I have never been approached.
I have never been given grief by them and I have attended the National Coursing meeting every year(bar one) for the last 37 years.
The more attention that we give them the more we justify their existance.
My motto is simply ignore them,their campaigns,propoganda and everything else to do with them and they will simply disappear.