ICABS push for bill to ban hare coursing

Sparks

Story on TheJournal.ie today notes that ICABS are using NPWS reports to push for hare coursing to be banned under the upcoming Animal Welfare Bill. The Minister said back in March that this wouldn't happen, but now they're pushing a private members bill specifically to ban coursing.

(Sorry for the lack of quotes, the copyright rules are fun thanks to Sherlock's SI )

pugw

F*cking hippy's, they dont have a hope!

CJhaughey

I wonder what the Organisation previously known as R.I.S.E has to say about this?;)
How many of them are now sitting in positions of power now?

pugw

Would the general consensus be that rise was set up for 1 reason ie to preserve the ward union hunt, dthat they just played to the crowd to get other fieldsports people to use them to come out on the streets?? There has been very little about them since the hunt was banned!

Madam

Good!!!!

sfakiaman

Having an ex-president of ICABS in the cabinet won't hurt them either. Great how these tiny minorities manage to worm their way into positions of power. :mad:

Birdnuts

I continue to be amazed and bemused at the amount of media attention this tiny fringe organization gets in the Irish media and poltical circles. They really have nothing positive to offer and seem only interested in pointless sh*t stirring. My views on them would be shared by many genuine conservation bodies as well as the general hunting lobby.

Sparks

Seems that John FitzGerald (from ICABS) is now commenting on that Journal article.

No6

And inaccurate as usual, "Surveys reveal the majority of rural dewellers oppose coursing!!" lets see them then so!! Surveys of ICABS members who live in rural areas is it??:eek:

snipe02

Sparks wrote: »

Seems that John FitzGerald (from ICABS) is now commenting on that Journal article.

read the comments most of them come across as either not having a clue or being completely mental with a few sensible one also as long as these nutjobs remain nutjobs we could be safe people have greater things to worry about and most of them dont care enough to do anything about it but whatever you may feel about rise they were right that all fieldsports should stick together safety in numbers i have no real interest in coursing but feel we all really need to stick together because if these nutjobs get there way the whole lot will be gone from fishing to coursing and everything in between

Grizzly 45

No6 wrote: »

And inaccurate as usual, "Surveys reveal the majority of rural dewellers oppose coursing!!" lets see them then so!! Surveys of ICABS members who live in rural areas is it??:eek:

You will find that the survey was done in the 1970s!! 76 or 78 if I remember rightly.Otherwise all the surveys that havent gone in ICABS favour are dismissed out of hand by them as rigged or unscientific.

Although the coursers didnt do any favours for themselves by posting instructions on how to rig an opinion poll on one of their websites that was being monitored by the antis.They are making great hay out of that at the moment.:rolleyes:

As for the two nutjob Trottys,one who inherited Tony Greghorys inner city seat,I doubt that this will go very far.Even having the dubious title of ICABS "president"which they bestow on anyone who gives them more than ten mins of political, or air time is meaningless in Realpolitk.

.243

Birdnuts wrote: »

I continue to be amazed and bemused at the amount of media attention this tiny fringe organization gets in the Irish media and poltical circles. They really have nothing positive to offer and seem only interested in pointless sh*t stirring.

simply because sh1t stirring sells papers,the media are like the little boys who peer pressure a kid to go kick-kacking on someones door,
they then just hold back and watch it happen,and then enjoy the laugh at someone elses expense (or in the medias case reel in the cash from selling papers)

sfakiaman

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Even having the dubious title of ICABS "president"which they bestow on anyone who gives them more than ten mins of political, or air time is meaningless in Realpolitk.

Allan Shatter still thinks it's worth putting in the personal profile section of his web site ("and was for many years President of the Irish Council against Blood Sports".)

Longranger

sfakiaman wrote: »

Allan Shatter still thinks it's worth putting in the personal profile section of his web site ("and was for many years President of the Irish Council against Blood Sports".)

"Justice"...................my arse!

blackstairsboy

pugw wrote: »

Would the general consensus be that rise was set up for 1 reason ie to preserve the ward union hunt, dthat they just played to the crowd to get other fieldsports people to use them to come out on the streets?? There has been very little about them since the hunt was banned!

Lads just to let you know that RISE is very much alive and well. They will I am sure be fighting this if or when it becomes a serious issue and not just an newspaper article on a slow press day. In fact they are currently recruiting young lads to try and bring a little more modern perspective on the thing. Also there is a hell of a lot of young lads involved in all types of fieldsports so they should also be involved in protecting them. I can assure you they were not set up for the protection of the Ward Union. Sure the lad at the top of it has no more to do with the Ward Union than Santa Clause!

pheasntstalker

:mad:gobsh!tes they must have feck all to do,what nxt ban keeping goldfish in bowls!!!me thinks theyre p!ssing against the wind:rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

sfakiaman wrote: »

Allan Shatter still thinks it's worth putting in the personal profile section of his web site ("and was for many years President of the Irish Council against Blood Sports".)

So was the Leprachaun...Err...Current president Micheal D,Senator David Norris,one or two Greenies,Tony Greghory and Alan Shatter.

A nice rainbow of Irish politics there.TBH people can be what they want ,and if they want to call themselves president of an animal rights crackpot brigade,fine by me.[Although methinks some of the anti supporters would be only too glad to see Min Shatters spirtual homeland,Israel be burnt to the ground and be run as a nice progressive,friendly democratic fundamentalist Muslim country]

So long as it doesnt cloud your sense of objectivity and balance and reason when it comes to legislation or work.

Considering Min Shatter's religious faith,I wonder how he equated Kosher killing [near enough same as Halal] with being a figure head of an animal rights group that condems such practises as totally inhumane?

The Jewish people have a word for it.... Chutzpah!:pac:

Sparks

More ICABS nonsense?

Grizzly 45

Same old faces in that pic as hundreds of others,and about the same number of numpties as usual..
Obviously phase two of their campaign,after asking nicely[with about as non threatning an attitude as a mob heavy looking for the overdue loan payment] wasnt sucessful they now have to resort to "sterner" tactics.:eek::rolleyes:.

Later
Just had a look at their website and as usual it was a "great sucess " with literally "thousands of people finding out about Boyle sports policies." They must have a loss of membership again as sure enough the Boul Bernie Wright from the Hunt Sabs carrot top head is to be seen in one of the pics.Intresting that the respectable ICABS is palling up with the loose cannons again..Dogs returning to their vomit I guess.
Next they are going to "ask" JP Mac Manaus to stop sponsoring hare coursing...
Good luck on that one ICABS...JP breeds coursing greyhounds himself,and I think those letters will be put to good use down on his farm,as animal bedding.

Sparks

And again today...

Why exactly ICABS/CACS/AOHS is pushing for a garda investigation when sanctions were already handed down isn't quite fully explained...

meathstevie

I don't particularly support hare coursing as I've no interest in it whatsoever but I do shoot the odd hare when in season.

The one issue I don't understand is why the likes of ICABS keep harping on about greyhounds being put down when too slow or old. It's not like these animals are kept as pets, they're used for racing which is an industry where quite a bit of money can be at stake. As long as they're put down as quick and painless as possible I don't see any issues. It's not like race horse owners hold on to horses that don't make the cut or farmers hold on to breeding stock that's below standard.

Grizzly 45

Sparks wrote: »

And again today...

Why exactly ICABS/CACS/AOHS is pushing for a garda investigation when sanctions were already handed down isn't quite fully explained...

Milking it for all its PR worth, noise to keep their agenda in the media,and to use every incident to discredit the greyhound industry.Make them out to be a profit orientated unscrupulous organisation that doesnt care about the animals so you can swing public sympathy against them.
Liked your reply on the journo BTW

Grizzly 45

meathstevie wrote: »

I don't particularly support hare coursing as I've no interest in it whatsoever but I do shoot the odd hare when in season.

The one issue I don't understand is why the likes of ICABS keep harping on about greyhounds being put down when too slow or old. It's not like these animals are kept as pets, they're used for racing which is an industry where quite a bit of money can be at stake. As long as they're put down as quick and painless as possible I don't see any issues. It's not like race horse owners hold on to horses that don't make the cut or farmers hold on to breeding stock that's below standard.

Trouble is in alot of cases they are not put down humanely,and there the antis do have a winning point.All we have to look at is incidents like those fcuking Gob****e down in Co Limerick that was dumpingshot greyhounds out in a quarry or the other CNUT who was chucking them off the pier into the estuary near Glin[Which just happens to be a coursing meet track].
As well as stupid idiots curtting the ears and ID tattoos off their dogs and dumping them.:mad::mad:

Idiots like that are just handing the antis loaded guns to shoot the coursing and greyhound industry right between the eyes. Its one of the main reasons Bernie Wright has a registerd Irish charity called Greyhound Rescue,and she specifically rescues and rehomes ex racing greyhounds.
I really wonder why?????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Then we have the stupidity of big PR of shipping greyhounds to race in China!! Enough said on how dogs are treated out there..:( As a dog lover and by and large us Westerners are ,it is repugnent that we would consider eating our best friend.As a realist,and being pragmatic about it I could understand why the Chinese would consider a dog as a food source.
However how many people would be able to look at it in those terms???

Ultimately, the greyhound industry is its own biggest enemy here.It seriously needs to do a major house clean up and purge out some of its more nastier habits.Not to mind start some very serious inhouse inspections of its members and their policies of dealing with end of life dogs.Otherwise it wont be a question of IF but WHEN the Irish greyhound industry is disassembled under some sort of EU animal rights directive.

Here endth the rant.:)

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Liked your reply on the journo BTW

Yeah, well. ICABS annoy me, and it doesn't help when they ring my office looking to lodge a formal complaint over a comment on thejournal.ie.

Would have been funny if they'd gotten through though, they'd have wound up talking to a hunter...

Grizzly 45

Well, doesnt that show what kind of fascists they are!!! Cant hack it in cyberspace they have to go and complain to your company to try and shut you up with bully tactics... BIG Babies:rolleyes:

Be great to return the favour,except most of them are unemployable dossers posing as "journalists "[Tierney,Fitzgerald] or" artists "and "writers"[Fitzgerald]thussly claiming tax free status.:(

PS next time they do ring up,it be great if you could let them speak to your boss and get the conversation recorded.We could all do with a laugh in these hard times.:D

Sparks

Alas, he's since changed companies Grizz, but it would have been pretty classic...

Shoot2kill

It's not that I don't take it seriously but everytime I hear or read some bull**** speech from anyone involved in ICABS I seem to laugh a little... They are no more than a bunch uneducated idiots who can never seem to back up any arguement they have with anything else other than out of date information or stuff they just seem to make up....

A classic line from Fr. Ted comes to mind...."down with that sort of thing"


Ohh......"easy now":D

thelurcher

The Irish Coursing Club have nothing to answer here - they took correct and appropriate action.
That said I'd agree with the anti scum - the people doing the doping should be prosecuted. It would send out the right message to any other idiot that would try the same - and help protect the sport long into the future.

I have no interest in coursing - went to Clonmel a few times and the hares are treated a lot better than the spectators.

I know the questions about RISE on this thread are a few months old but they did start up a new campaign specifically to monitor the Animal Health and Welfare Bill 2012.
However they are a fairly ineffective group really - as can be seen from their track record to date. Luckily there are some individual organizations that are fighting our corner a lot more effectively.

Grizzly 45

What is actually the story with this group??
There was a big fanfare about them relaunching in June in Cork......And what exactly happened on this momenteous occasion?? Was anyone there??As there isnt much details about it in either the press or the shooting circles.. This months or last months ISD has Des Crofton having a pop at Phil Hogan about dud election promises and about how FG will soon feel the wrath of RISE,Risen?[Are the members Risers or the Risen??]
I mean what are they all about,and is it going anyplace fast??

pugw

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

most of them are unemployable dossers posing as "journalists "[Tierney,Fitzgerald] or" artists "and "writers"[Fitzgerald]thussly claiming tax free status..

Classic, it's about time someone said it, they are the greatest load of free loading wasters around! I think its time to just start ignoring them and their imaginary "support", their membership is miniscule compared to the Irish Coursing Club, only trouble is the ordinary person on the street might be inclined to fall for their bullsh*t! I think they are given way too much airtime considering their size and are often allowed make their point unchecked! Its as simple as this, the shooting of hares is taboo in a lot of places in ireland, many farmers dont allow them to be shot because their lands are preserves for coursing clubs or they are coursing enthusiasts. Ban Coursing and see what happens to the hare population, they will be treated as vermin (same as rabbits) and every lad with a shotgun will be out popping them off!

Vizzy

Lads, I've said this before on here and I'll keep saying it-Fcuk em.

I would pride myself in being an animal lover but ICABS and their likes are simply a shower of eco-warriors with virtually no support.
Ask youselves,how often have you been approached by any of the Anti's seeking support for their cause.I can honestly say I have never been approached.
I have never been given grief by them and I have attended the National Coursing meeting every year(bar one) for the last 37 years.
The more attention that we give them the more we justify their existance.
My motto is simply ignore them,their campaigns,propoganda and everything else to do with them and they will simply disappear.

Grizzly 45

Very bad mistake to do that... They dont think in instant or yearly sucess ,they measure their campaigns out in decades!!Nor do they plan on immmediate sucesses,bar maybe some spectacular event or Dail power shift like when the Greens came into power and they over egged their puddings with the stag hunting ban.:D
It is a constant and opportunistic drip,drip,drip campaign on all fieldsports, nor just fox hunting and hare coursing,but all "animal rights" issues,and more importantly to influence and indoctrinate younger minds.

As our pouplation starts going more urban and our fieldsports pouplation gets older,the pouplation shift will become more urban and younger,and will lose more of the reality of what rural life is all about and where their meat and milk comes from.So if they can influence future generations that all types of fieldsports or farming is cruel,you will find more kids as they grow up will subconciously slip into that way of thinking and react as adults accordingly.Why do you think they all want to get into our schools to spread around their propaganda and bile ,and are always sqwarking if NARGC or anything pro is allowed in to even up the score???

True,we dont have to respond to every childish outburst and baby wail in the national press,but they do repersent a clear and present danger to us and deserve to be monitored...As they have brought people who are of dubious legality and have been excluded from the UK under the terrorism acts to lecture and debate in our universities,and on a memorable occasion AHS tried to get a Ex Loyalist bomb maker down for a chat in a pub in Dublin in the 1990s.:(I dont think any shooting clubs in Ireland have need to bring ex SAS men in to chat about pheasent rearing.:P

Ask yourselves this one thing...We are always giving out about them being in the media and their side of the story is being published...Would having two "journalists" not have somthing to do with it??A fly will always recognise another fly.

Its a long term battle for hearts and minds people,and if we dont start stepping up to the mark abit more we could be one of the last generations of Irish fieldsports men and women...Start thinking long term too,the antis certainly are.

BTW ICABS did ask me for a donation at a street collection.....Once!:D

Vizzy

Grizzly,some great points I must admit but I still believe we pay them too much heed.
In fact I think I'm sure that there is probably some loon from ICABS monitoring our discussion right now and I suspect that their conversation is goin something like "there's one guy saying that hunters should ignore us but another guy is saying that we are here for the long haul.I knew we had them worried ,which of ye has Tierney's number so I can ring him and gloat":)

meathstevie

Just to let you know that the opposite is happening with young people as well; our local scoutsgroup recently invited the local NARGC club to come and have a talk about hunting, guns and gun safety with the Cubs. A few firearms and ammunition were on display ( with bolts removed or left broken may I add ) and some bunny ( prepared from scratch there and then including skinning and cleaning ) and pigeon were thrown on the pan. Not one single negative comment by anyone. On the contrary loads of questions and interest from kids AND parents.

Grizzly 45

I sincerely hope that they do Vizzy!! They might actually learn somthing,but I doubt it!!
Or maybe they are saying.."Aww sh%te these dumb animal abusing knuckle draggers arent as dumb as we thought!!!! And whats this about subversives being involved:eek:??I thought we were supposed to be non violent and peaceful???"
Its much better to recognise a potential threat and keep it on your radar,so you know who and what it is and how to deal with it.Than to think it is harmless and to ignore it.

Worried??? Nah...It more like we have them worried.:p I have never met a more paranoid bunch of people.Most of them are that convinced that their computors and phones are monitored and that there is a NARGC/fox hunter/MI5/CIA /Garda man under the bed,the closet,attic, and garden and compost pile,or their houses are bugged. Proably are too..If you lie down with the dog or choose to associate with known radicals and subversives..:)

I suppose that they think we have a big list of all of their names and addys and we will come around and do a night of the long knives on them all!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I sincerely hope that they do Vizzy!

They do. We show up in their newsletter from time to time.

Grizzly 45

meathstevie wrote: »

Just to let you know that the opposite is happening with young people as well; our local scoutsgroup recently invited the local NARGC club to come and have a talk about hunting, guns and gun safety with the Cubs. A few firearms and ammunition were on display ( with bolts removed or left broken may I add ) and some bunny ( prepared from scratch there and then including skinning and cleaning ) and pigeon were thrown on the pan. Not one single negative comment by anyone. On the contrary loads of questions and interest from kids AND parents.

Good to hear that MS,and that the Scouts actually allowed it here..A fine organisation that has become so PC these days Lord Baden Powell would be turning in his grave!!:( What is a boy scout without his trusty sheath or scout knife???Now banned in most countries scouts organisations as too dangerous or warlike!!FFS 100 years ago the Boy Scouts of America drilled with single shot .22lr rifles!!Baden Powell set it up as a paramilitary unit in the first place.:rolleyes:
Making a fire???Illegal under health and saftey rules!!Anywhere else the parents would have been horrified and dragged themselves and the little traumatised darlings off to counciling,and had their lawyers sicced on yez for emotional trauma.[Has happened in the US and UK]
At least somone and an organisation is still doing somthing right here!!:cool:

Grizzly 45

Sparks wrote: »

They do. We show up in their newsletter from time to time.

Indeed,and usually quoted out of context,or cherry picked...:p

thelurcher

Sparks wrote: »

They do. We show up in their newsletter from time to time.

All the more reason to watch what's said on here - people just don't realize the damage they're doing by discussing some of the more unattractive jobs that we have to do.

thelurcher

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

What is actually the story with this group??
There was a big fanfare about them relaunching in June in Cork......And what exactly happened on this momenteous occasion?? Was anyone there??As there isnt much details about it in either the press or the shooting circles.. This months or last months ISD has Des Crofton having a pop at Phil Hogan about dud election promises and about how FG will soon feel the wrath of RISE,Risen?[Are the members Risers or the Risen??]
I mean what are they all about,and is it going anyplace fast??

A lot of what was discussed at the meeting was off topic Grizzly - some of the top table guys talked for the sake of talking.

The FISSTA chairman did give a very well delivered presentation on fish farming though. Pity he's not fighting the causes I'm interested in.

The RISE concept is a sound one but in practice it's failing miserably. Each organization is still just fighting their own individual case and not willing to put their full collective weight behind any other that's threatened. They may say otherwise in public but trust me on this one.

Grizzly 45

Guessed as much.....:rolleyes::(.
trying to copy the UK Countryside Alliance by unifying the countrysides various different problems under one group with an "Irish" twist.

Grizzly 45

And as predictable as rain within a day in Ireland.
Like the sick publicity vulture that he is from todays Irish Times Letters page Mr Tierney uses the Denver massacre to forward his agenda!!!:mad::mad::mad:
A seriously SICK puppy!!!
http://www.irishtimes.com/letters/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/letters/society-is-paying-a-very-heavy-price-for-gun-ownership-201950.html

Sparks

Miserable ****er.

Sparks wrote:

Dear Sir,
I read with disgust the letter you printed by Mr. Tierney in Thursday's Times, which used the tragic murder of a dozen people by a mentally disturbed individual in the US as a justification for an attack on the good name of over 200,000 people in Ireland. Perhaps Mr. Tierney would care to mention by name any licenced firearms owner in Ireland so that we could discuss the matter in front of a court and get a court ruling on behalf of the nation as to whether or not us licenced firearms owners are indeed the scourge of society as Mr. Tierney suggests.

Somehow I doubt that he would care to enjoin such a debate in a venue where he would be required to back up his assertions with logical argument or facts, things he seems to enjoy leaving out of any letter he sends to yourselves and the other printed media, constantly skirting the edge of the Defamation Act.

Personally, I am sick to my back teeth of those of his ilk, who deny us constantly the right to enter into a sane, reasoned debate over any topic they take an interest in, by turning what could be useful dialogue into a meandering rant devoid of sense or facts in the hope that he could have influence - any influence - over any social policy. That kind of behaviour has caused untold harm in our country, and continues to do so today. Perhaps it is time that we insist that those who wish to stand up and decry something in the media be required to back up what they claim with facts? It seems little enough to ask...

Yours in disgust,

Sent just now, to lettersed@irishtimes.com
Folks should be writing to there as well (remember to include your full name, postal address, and telephone numbers at the end - they'll only print your name, but the rest is their way of ensuring the letters aren't faked)

SureHowBad

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And as predictable as rain within a day in Ireland.
Like the sick publicity vulture that he is from todays Irish Times Letters page Mr Tierney uses the Denver massacre to forward his agenda!!!:mad::mad::mad:
A seriously SICK puppy!!!
http://www.irishtimes.com/letters/

Emm What!?!? That article must be one of the most absurd and extract links between two DIFFERENT societies that I have ever read. Talk about a load of ridicuolus scaremongering. I think Mr Tierney is watching too much american tv! He refers to ALL people who use firearms as people who feel they are "God-like", that we have some sort of "pent-up aggression and physiological issues" and that we need to prove our "macho credentials". Where does he get off!? :mad:

How does he think that our Irish society is "ignoring the inherent dangers of the use of these lethal weapons"?? We have strict gun laws for this reason and part of that is to have a VALID reason to own a firearm. To be honest he is so way off the mark its irritating but I had to get it off my chest!!

Cass

Sparks wrote: »

Folks should be writing to there as well..............

Done.

Ezridax wrote:

Dear Sir.

I write to you to voice my disgust at your printing of a letter in Thursday's Times by Mr. John Tierney. His use of the tragic murder of 12 innocent people by a mentally disturbed person to try and further his own agenda is sickening, and I feel you share in this shame by giving voice to him.

Mr. Tierney has made some very serious, and baseless allegations towards some 200,000 people. He has accused these people of being on the verge of a similar episode, and insulted them with insinuations of "pent up rage & aggression". Not once has Mr. Tierney provided any evidence or facts to support his claims, but instead relies on sensationalist comments, and events such as the tragic killings in an attempt to blind people to his lack of facts.

Not once has Mr. Tierney made mention of the thousands of men and women that use firearms to compete on both national, and international level. To great success, and at great personal financial cost. His comments come dangerously close to defaming all firearm owners. A minority of the community that comes under the strongest possible, continued, scrutiny from the moment they enter their chosen sport to well after they leave it. No other category of sportsmen & women must undergo the intensive background, medical, character checks that they do.

His fleeting reference to the illegal firearms in Ireland does not begin to cover the real cause of the violence we see on our streets, nor does he cover the underlying reasons for this violence. His comparison of a nation that holds a constitutional right to firearms, and has done for over 200 years, to a country where firearms are a privilege, granted to the applicant/owner, that may be revoked at any time after a minimum of 3 months of checks performed by An Gardaí, and the Dept. of justice would be laughable were the topic not so serious.

I have read articles from Mr. Tierney before and this one does not differ from his usual baseless allegations. Frankly I am disgusted, and tired of it, and to provide him with a platform where he may spread his words without judgment, scrutiny or rebuttal is inexcusable. I would challenge Mr. Tierney to attend an open, and reasoned debate where a panel of his peers would force him to support his arguments with facts.

Yours in disbelief, and disgust

Grizzly 45

De Paper [Examiner] has it as well.So a letter there as well maybe??
Will bet it will appear in the regionals as well.:rolleyes:

BTW the Indo has been running a few pro and anti gun columinsts and articles over the last week,and intrestingly the PRO comments on gun ownership both in the USA and here in Ireland are outweighing the anti gun comments or rants in most cases.Their one anti gun editorial is locked from reader comments for some reason...;):pWonder why???

Sparks

Sent one to the Examiner as well Grizz, but yeah, definitely. And they have a nice "send letter" link on the examiner site as well: http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/letters/sendletter

knockon

to the Times ........


Dear Sir/Madam


I am absolutely incensed by the letter from John Tierney.  How dare he try and equate the actions of illegally held firearms used by thugs and drug dealers used to murder people with the over 200,000 law abiding Farmers, hunters, competition target shooters here in Ireland.  

Perhaps I should remind Tierney that Shooting has been an Olympic Sport since 1896.  I dont think the Irish Olympic Shooting Team who arrived in London last week are there to "unleash death and destruction on the innocent".  Tierney has attempted to sully the integrity of hundreds of thousands of legal firearms owners.  I am aghast that the Irish Times has given a platform on more than one occasion to an individual that promotes the destruction of people's property, in his own words "saboteur".

Yours sincerely,

Knockon

Sparks

Sparks wrote: »

Sent one to the Examiner as well Grizz

Picked up by the Examiner yesterday. Albiet in a fairly savagely cut form.

Cass

Selective printing, but still a rebuttal however bastardised.

pugw

Fair play lads, for too long the lunatics have been given an unchallenged platform to spread their lies. In fairness to the examiner thay are the only national newspaper to carry coverage of coursing so at least they dont bow down to intimidation from the anti's like all the rest including RTE!