Chargers Thread

tripperman

helimachoptor wrote: »

A win would be great lads... dont mess it up

Wouldn't be surprised if we won and won with some ease, be just like us no chance of making the play-offs go out and win to get lower draft pick and keep the losing mentality coach

Leslie91

Rochey18 wrote: »

Curious, McCoy isn't the answer... But who is?

Who would be your choice for head coach

I'd like Todd Haley. Hard nosed, will have learned lots from his first try as HC and spending last few yrs in the best organisation there is, the Steelers.

Leslie91

helimachoptor wrote: »

A win would be great lads... dont mess it up

Your welcome!!!. Haha.

Cannot believe how truly bad Osweiler is. Who in their right mind signed him to that contract?. Bill O'Brien can't see him as the QB in 2017 surely?

Leslie91

Anyone else see Gregg Rosenthal publicly call out McCoward....? #lovedit

Justin10

Leslie91 wrote: »

Anyone else see Gregg Rosenthal publicly call out McCoward....? #lovedit

Was it a tweet that he has now deleted?

Leslie91

Rochey18 wrote: »

Was it a tweet that he has now deleted?

Has it been deleted!!? wow......... here it is;

No one will care because of the score but it is insane how much Mike McCoy coaches not to lose.

tripperman

Hard to say now who would be the best for the job, as black Monday could have a shock sacking or two, Kris Richards, Vic Fangio would be two defensive coordinators I would like to see been interviewed for the job, but maybe someone like Mike Tomlin or John Fox or Marvin Lewis could become available also, I know Lewis would be bottom of that list but he's far better then McCoy, but someone I would like to see brought on board would be Kevin Sumlin, he could make a good assistant defensive coordinator or positional coach and would know alot of the current underrated college player's entering the draft that could be mid to late round steals like Jatvis was

Leslie91

tripperman wrote: »

Hard to say now who would be the best for the job, as black Monday could have a shock sacking or two, Kris Richards, Vic Fangio would be two defensive coordinators I would like to see been interviewed for the job, but maybe someone like Mike Tomlin or John Fox or Marvin Lewis could become available also, I know Lewis would be bottom of that list but he's far better then McCoy, but someone I would like to see brought on board would be Kevin Sumlin, he could make a good assistant defensive coordinator or positional coach and would know alot of the current underrated college player's entering the draft that could be mid to late round steals like Jatvis was

I wouldn't wanna see Fox or Lewis. What makes you think Tomlin might be available? not a chance I'd have thought?

Was Kris Richard a Gus Bradley disciple?... I thought Gus would have made a great HC but it doesn't look like it is working out for him.

tripperman

Leslie91 wrote: »

I wouldn't wanna see Fox or Lewis. What makes you think Tomlin might be available? not a chance I'd have thought?

Was Kris Richard a Gus Bradley disciple?... I thought Gus would have made a great HC but it doesn't look like it is working out for him.

Now that you mention it I believe he was there with Gus and then with Dan Quinn, might not have the necessary experience yet,

Tomlin would be a shock all right, but they have been up and down alot this season and are outside the play-off spots at the minute, if they miss the play-offs with there roster they might make a change,
I think even if Bill Belichick was available and wanted the job, the spaons family would hire some nobody who wouldn't have any proven success imo

Leslie91

tripperman wrote: »

Now that you mention it I believe he was there with Gus and then with Dan Quinn, might not have the necessary experience yet,

Tomlin would be a shock all right, but they have been up and down alot this season and are outside the play-off spots at the minute, if they miss the play-offs with there roster they might make a change,
I think even if Bill Belichick was available and wanted the job, the spaons family would hire some nobody who wouldn't have any proven success imo

Thing is they wouldn't pay Belichick. He's prob taking home 10m +, while our muppet is in the bottom 5 in terms of gross. They wouldn't pay Tomlin either, not that there is a chance he is leaving Pittsburgh. Tomlin is a healthy QB away from being competitive again. Big Ben is continually banged up.

Watch Todd Haley get a good job after this year and become a serious HC.... outside of SD. Not a hope little John or Tommy T would hire him methinks. There is too much of a love in going on between those 2 and McCoward that someone like Todd Haley would be like a nuke landing.

Leslie91

Jaysus I really dislike our Head Coach.... the ****e that constantly streams from his mouth makes me so so angry... Just read this;

This onside kick, too, was deemed correctable.

“We’ve got to let that ball go to the second level,” coach Mike McCoy
said. “Joshua tried to recover it. He needs to block the guy he’s
supposed to block, and then the offensive player in the second level
(wide receiver Jeremy Butler) will recover the ball.”

Everything can be fixed according to this muppet but never is.... Special Teams are a disaster for 2 years and we still have the same git (albeit he was assistant in 2015) running it.

I so wish Telesco would step and and instruct McCoward to fire Aukerman and while he is at it fire McCoward.

I don't how much more of this cretin I can stomach.

tripperman

Leslie91 wrote: »

Thing is they wouldn't pay Belichick. He's prob taking home 10m +, while our muppet is in the bottom 5 in terms of gross. They wouldn't pay Tomlin either, not that there is a chance he is leaving Pittsburgh. Tomlin is a healthy QB away from being competitive again. Big Ben is continually banged up.

Watch Todd Haley get a good job after this year and become a serious HC.... outside of SD. Not a hope little John or Tommy T would hire him methinks. There is too much of a love in going on between those 2 and McCoward that someone like Todd Haley would be like a nuke landing.

That's my point they won't pay top money for top coaches, so you only get what you pay for, I'm pretty sure if we get to or 6-10 7-9 around that area McCoy will be kept on as you say there seems to be alot of love from John and tt to him,

Todd could land in a few spots if he does want to be hc again,

Spent last night and the night before going back over previous games to see who I think should be kept and who should be booted out come January, I'll give TT credit he is putting together a good roster of young talented player's and some absolutely wasted draft picks and FA additions as well, in no particular order just some I hace decided my opinion on, haven't decided on all yet,

OUT Manti Teo we traded up to get him which makes this worse, the emergency of Jatavis and Toomer have made him a just look worse,

KEEP Correy Toomer, practice squad addition from the raiders now handling play calling on defence in such a short time speaks highly of his ability and leadership and his play is worthy of a contract and see how develops with a full off-season to get set up properly in the defence,

OUT Orlando Franklin just a waste of money, his play his awful and been out played by UDA Spencer Pulley, I really do fear for Melvin and Phillip when he's on the field to often they get hit by his man,

KEEP Danny Woodhead, I know Melvin is thriving as the bell cow back, but Danny is that elite catching back out of the backfield that can give Melvin a break to catch a breather,

OUT Dexter McCulster, was far from impressive when on the field his pass catching was very poor drops and deflections for picks is all I remember, a choice of Dexter or Danny its got to be Danny,

KEEP Inman, not the best receiver on the roster granted, but he's healthy every year and steps up and out performs more highly rated and paid player's like Benjamin, he's developing his route running and starting to making nice moves to get open,

OUT Dunlap just not good enough and time to build the oline of the future to work with Melvin and protect Phillip better,

OUT Lowery he has been a disaster to watch at safety, to often late to make a tackle or pulls out of a tackle that could force an incomplete pass, sure he has made a pick and forced fumble against the Texans, but one game like that out of 11 is not good enough, this draft is loaded at safety time to get the future Weddle,

KEEP for 1 year Addae, yes he's injury prone also a penalty machine, but don't see us getting two new safeties in one off-season, he also seems to have the coaches backing which is baffling me,

OUT Craig Mager the more I see him on the field the worse he gets, he's been out played by UDA Trevor Williams which says a lot about our former thrid round pick, this draft is deep in CB so take a mid round player's that has more potential then Mager to replace Flowers and back up Hayward and Verett

Leslie91

tripperman wrote: »

That's my point they won't pay top money for top coaches, so you only get what you pay for, I'm pretty sure if we get to or 6-10 7-9 around that area McCoy will be kept on as you say there seems to be alot of love from John and tt to him,

Todd could land in a few spots if he does want to be hc again,

Spent last night and the night before going back over previous games to see who I think should be kept and who should be booted out come January, I'll give TT credit he is putting together a good roster of young talented player's and some absolutely wasted draft picks and FA additions as well, in no particular order just some I hace decided my opinion on, haven't decided on all yet,

OUT Manti Teo we traded up to get him which makes this worse, the emergency of Jatavis and Toomer have made him a just look worse,

KEEP Correy Toomer, practice squad addition from the raiders now handling play calling on defence in such a short time speaks highly of his ability and leadership and his play is worthy of a contract and see how develops with a full off-season to get set up properly in the defence,

OUT Orlando Franklin just a waste of money, his play his awful and been out played by UDA Spencer Pulley, I really do fear for Melvin and Phillip when he's on the field to often they get hit by his man,

KEEP Danny Woodhead, I know Melvin is thriving as the bell cow back, but Danny is that elite catching back out of the backfield that can give Melvin a break to catch a breather,

OUT Dexter McCulster, was far from impressive when on the field his pass catching was very poor drops and deflections for picks is all I remember, a choice of Dexter or Danny its got to be Danny,

KEEP Inman, not the best receiver on the roster granted, but he's healthy every year and steps up and out performs more highly rated and paid player's like Benjamin, he's developing his route running and starting to making nice moves to get open,

OUT Dunlap just not good enough and time to build the oline of the future to work with Melvin and protect Phillip better,

OUT Lowery he has been a disaster to watch at safety, to often late to make a tackle or pulls out of a tackle that could force an incomplete pass, sure he has made a pick and forced fumble against the Texans, but one game like that out of 11 is not good enough, this draft is loaded at safety time to get the future Weddle,

KEEP for 1 year Addae, yes he's injury prone also a penalty machine, but don't see us getting two new safeties in one off-season, he also seems to have the coaches backing which is baffling me,

OUT Craig Mager the more I see him on the field the worse he gets, he's been out played by UDA Trevor Williams which says a lot about our former thrid round pick, this draft is deep in CB so take a mid round player's that has more potential then Mager to replace Flowers and back up Hayward and Verett

Here's my 2 cents on the changes required;

Out - Fluker, Franklin (if not too hard on dead money), Barksdale (unless things change alot between now and end season), T'eo (total no brainer, dump his ass, betcha they keep him though because they are so stupid), Mager (WTF was TT thinking with this pick?), Flowers and Dunlap (can't have these old concussion prone men around any longer for their sake and ours), Dzubnar & Tourek (neither are NFL quality), McGrath (how he is still here I just dunno), Stevie Johnson (Tyrell promises more), Hekking & Herndon (dead wood).

Keep - Toomer (what a find), Trevor Williams (like you said better than many who played ahead of him), Landrum (better player than Tourek for one), Reid, Oliver, Cumberland.

One I cannot make my mind up on - Ingram. He is not worth anything like Von Miller Justin Houston money so unless he comes at max 75% of their cost no way for me. McCluster I am not massively down on... it will depend on what Hillman can offer as they are similar skillsets.

Justin10

Reports of us moving to LA starting to pick up again.

Have to say I've such little interest in the city of LA.

Will you guys still follow the Chargers in LA?

tripperman

Leslie91 wrote: »

Here's my 2 cents on the changes required;

Out - Fluker, Franklin (if not too hard on dead money), Barksdale (unless things change alot between now and end season), T'eo (total no brainer, dump his ass, betcha they keep him though because they are so stupid), Mager (WTF was TT thinking with this pick?), Flowers and Dunlap (can't have these old concussion prone men around any longer for their sake and ours), Dzubnar & Tourek (neither are NFL quality), McGrath (how he is still here I just dunno), Stevie Johnson (Tyrell promises more), Hekking & Herndon (dead wood).

Keep - Toomer (what a find), Trevor Williams (like you said better than many who played ahead of him), Landrum (better player than Tourek for one), Reid, Oliver, Cumberland.

One I cannot make my mind up on - Ingram. He is not worth anything like Von Miller Justin Houston money so unless he comes at max 75% of their cost no way for me. McCluster I am not massively down on... it will depend on what Hillman can offer as they are similar skillsets.

Found this this evening a break down on cap space and cap hit for player's, scary the option is so dear on fluker, I would try resign Ingram as attouch hasn't developed at all imo and is often injured

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2016/11/30/13796802/2017-san-diego-chargers-salary-cap-numbers

tripperman

Rochey18 wrote: »

Reports of us moving to LA starting to pick up again.

Have to say I've such little interest in the city of LA.

Will you guys still follow the Chargers in LA?

Disappointed to read these rumours again while the team's still playing,

No interest in L.A., personally San Diego is on my wish list to go see the team play at home there, but I'll support them where ever they play

Leslie91

Rochey18 wrote: »

Reports of us moving to LA starting to pick up again.

Have to say I've such little interest in the city of LA.

Will you guys still follow the Chargers in LA?

I'll probably still support them but will not be taking much of an interest until McCoward is gone. The whole LA saga is such a pain in the arse... I stopped reading about it/listening to it over a year ago.

Having said that the NFL in my opinion would be mad to allow SD move. Already the Rams are at best the 3rd most popular franchise/team in LA. The Chargers will disappear off the face of the earth in terms of fandom and their games will never sell out.... it will be a joke.

Leslie91

tripperman wrote: »

Found this this evening a break down on cap space and cap hit for player's, scary the option is so dear on fluker, I would try resign Ingram as attouch hasn't developed at all imo and is often injured

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2016/11/30/13796802/2017-san-diego-chargers-salary-cap-numbers

Even if it was half figure that Fluker should not be brought back... He's been a huge (excuse pun) disappointment.

Justin10

I'll follow the Chargers what ever city they are in but I totally agree. The chargers in LA makes very little sense to me.

On twitter with people in SD and the Chargers moving to London is gaining a lot of traction.

I would love them to stay in SD, what a city.

tripperman

Watching the game and from the start of Q3 I was like here we go again and we did it again, I kept asking myself how good are these two player's Gordon and Bosa, Gordon made plays he should have got stuffed on behind an awful oline and Bosa well he was unreal sure numbers may not show it, but he was keeping Winston under pressure all game, how good would they be on a properly coached team, was great to here the crowd chanting Bosa after his sack was a great play,

Give me 5-11 now to move up from tenth overall pick at the minute

Leslie91

I dunno where to start lads..........

I'm watching the game last night and I'm feeling sorry for the likes of Melvin Gordon, a player working unbelievably hard, taking so much punishment for this organisation and he is still on the losing side. Bosa too.

Because the likes of Mager, Fluker, Benjamin, Franklin and Barksdale are indulged on this team by the pathetic ownership and coaching.

I thought it funny (in a sick way) how many were talking on Twitter about how we were going to hear today about McCoward getting an extension of 3-4 yrs, a bit like what the poor LA Rams fan heard yesterday about their muppet of a HC.

I've been full sure this was another wasted season long ago so another loss doesn't surprise me or piss me off massively. Like you Tripper I just want the best draft position we can get and hopefully see the back of McCoward and Whiz ASAP.

Philip calling timeout to prevent having to run the 3rd &1 call that Whiz sent in tells you all you need to know about him and what a tool he is. Never have I seen Philip so frustrated with the braintrust that is McCoward&Whiz. Both need to be gone...... but watch this dumb ownership procrastinate and in the end make the wrong call.

Leslie91

I must say I'm really surprised at lots in Acee's article re how brilliant we might be in 2017.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.sports.football.pro.sd-chargers/5v_jz09W7Ig

First off, not sure why, but he seems to be OK with us continuing with McCoward and is purporting that it might not matter who the HC is. For me that is downright ridiculous. I'd argue that they are doing what they are doing this year despite him and it's when he gets in the way that everything gets F'd up.

Then he talks about Jatavis Brown not having the 'knowledge' T'eo has. Perhaps Manti can be a teacher then i.e. off the field/in the classroom cos he sure as hell has nowhere near the impact Jatavis has on the field. I don't want Manti anywhere near the field ever again for SD.

There's even talk of Gates coming back cos he reckons we have a chance to win it all. In my opinion even though I love Gates, he's done after this year. Henry needs to start and play much much more not to mention giving Cumberland or even McGee a chance.

Crazy article in my opinion.

Richard Hillman

Looks like there is going to be a massive battle for QBs in the draft. Cleveland, 49ers, Bears and Jets all in the hunt. If we can manage to lose until the end of the season, we can get a good pick on another position.

OAOB

I think the worry is that there isn't any great QB prospects in this draft. The media will create a top class prospect or two but you definitely won't have those 4 teams draft a QB in round 1.

I still want to beat the Raiders but beyond that i just want that high draft pick and McCoy gone

Leslie91

OAOB wrote: »

I think the worry is that there isn't any great QB prospects in this draft. The media will create a top class prospect or two but you definitely won't have those 4 teams draft a QB in round 1.

I still want to beat the Raiders but beyond that i just want that high draft pick and McCoy gone

Was just about to say the same thing there are no franchise QBs in the 2017 draft. Of course having said that one could be picked in 6th round and become the next Tom Brady!!. Hope that is our pick!.

I know out O line is a disgrace and I want at least 3 of em gone for 2017 but Philip was shocking yesterday and has been really poor in the last few weeks. I hope it is just 'shell shock' and is temporary.

I think there are some good pieces on the D now though. Hayward has been lights out, Bosa is a stud and Perryman and Brown have really impressed (not to mention the returning Verrett and Mebane). Still need a safety though so we can see the back of 'no arms' Addae.

Draft needs to be about BEEF though. O line and pass rusher.

tripperman

I'm glad I swapped shifts so I could do my Madden draft tonight instead of being home to watch the game yesterday, as I would have had to buy a new t.v. and laptop, I know some well not be happy when I say this, but please IR Bosa and Gordon what's the point in risking rushing them back and doing serious damage to them if not fully fit for nothing,
IMO THE BROWNS would even beat us were that bad lately, give me a top draft pick and waking up on Christmas day to hear McCoy got left in Cleveland for good

Leslie91

How many Browns fans have we got in here this week!?...

I am so #downwiththetank now it is unreal. For a couple of mins yesterday I was actually fearing we might win. I was pleased to see this McCoward led team give up yet another 4th quarter lead and finish the game with their franchise QB in desperation throwing a pick.

And to compound matters... not that Deano is capable of making a decision it looks very likely that this team is leaving and going to LA.

Many in SD are probably of the mind good riddance to terrible ownership.... the sad thing is that there may never again be NFL football down there. And with that might end 30 yrs of following this team.

RIP the lightning bolt.

tripperman

Leslie91 wrote: »

How many Browns fans have we got in here this week!?...

I am so #downwiththetank now it is unreal. For a couple of mins yesterday I was actually fearing we might win. I was pleased to see this McCoward led team give up yet another 4th quarter lead and finish the game with their franchise QB in desperation throwing a pick.

And to compound matters... not that Deano is capable of making a decision it looks very likely that this team is leaving and going to LA.

Many in SD are probably of the mind good riddance to terrible ownership.... the sad thing is that there may never again be NFL football down there. And with that might end 30 yrs of following this team.

RIP the lightning bolt.

I gave up watching at the end of the third quarter, early rise for work and had that same olde feeling all over again of the 4th quarter collapse, was strange watching a home game with so few home fan's, I'm predicting the Browns get there first win on Saturday and help us move into the top 5 hopefully and give a Christmas present of McCoy been sacked,

I'm just fed up with the whole relocation story now, just get it over and done with, I see the latest rumour is if they relocate a possible rebranding of the franchise, I'll still follow the team,

Justin10

Firstly what happened yesterday was sad and also an absolute disgrace.

I've always had the opinion that SD sports fan base is poor and yesterday 100% confirmed that.

I know the people are dissapointed the Chargers might be leaving but to let what happened yesterday is a disgrace. I'm sure a lot of the players are happy to move to LA.

The city imo are to blame, yes Dean is cheap but the city have never made a big effort to keep the Chargers, or put a solid proposal together.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Philip call it a day if we move..

I'll definitely still follow them but would love if they stayed in SD of course

Richard Hillman

Rivers looks so disillusioned. It has gotten to a stage where he's just airing the ball out instead of maybe taking a hit. I wouldn't blame him