Candida

Torakx

Hey, i had posted before on this forum searching for info,tips,advice relating to recovering from candida albacans infection.

I was wondering has anyone recovered from it before and not had a re-occurance sometime later while beign able to maintain a normal but healthy diet?

Im at the stage now where ive had it for 12 years.
Diagnosed it myself about 3 years ago or less.
And only the last few weeks have i been able to get to a stage where i feel i am ready to be able to do the diet and so on to the letter.

I mostly eat chicken and eggs,combined with either broccolli or spinach.
With the ussual onions,garlic.
For treats i eat coconut chicken curries with lots of broccolli and spices.(not even brown rice or any sides)
Plain pro biotic yogurt and ussually fatty nuts like wallnuts and mixed nuts packs.

Only the last 2 days have i experienced what i think finally is ketosis.
I believe i only cut out that biona yeast free bread as i would eat 1 slice at the beginning and end of each day with about 3-4 eggs.
2 days ago i was in a weird downer mood.
Yesterday i spent the whole day nearly half asleep.Was so tired and had a slight headache and was thirsty quite alot at night.
Im guessing that was my body starting to change over to burning fat,although the ketostix still show only a very very if any at all small indication of ketones.

My plan of attack (yes this is war lol) is to keep this type of diet for as long as i can,im guessing min 1-2 months.
While doing this i will try garlic capsules and will be drinking alot of pau darco tea with xylitol and taking multi vits and uva versi etc etc.
Only after minimum a month or two will i start to phase out the garlic capsules and try other antifungals.As i want to bombard it with several different types at different tiimes to make sure i do the job right.
So i dont consider the garlic capsules to be the real anti fungal stage of my diet..more supplementary.
Im also taking pro bioti capsules for as long a si can afford them.

So im looking to hear from others who might have more tips or tricks.
Or good advice or experiences from the stages near the end of the anti fungal treatment or after they return to a reasonably normal diet.

It seems to me from a few years on and off researching online, that a majority never recover fully.
Ive always been worried il have this for the rest of my life,so i guess im searching for some extra motivation and support too

Thanks for reading.

Oryx

You diagnosed it yourself? If so, have you also taken medical advice?

Torakx

I got to a stage wher ei was having severe stomach cramps and could hardly walk.
I also was feeling extremely faint when i stopped eating sugar and carbs so thought i was hypo glycemic and was just inflaming the issue eating more sugar.
Told all symptoms to another doctor again and i was given sme tabs for acidy stomach and sent to a professor.
Long story short it was around then i decided to relook online for symptoms and candida matched.
I startign cutting out sugar and carbs for the most part and my symptoms relievd greatly.
So i guess that would be self diagnosis,as i considered my speedy recovery as indication i was sufferign from a systemic yeast infection.

Part of my self diagnosis includes the realisation that at age 17 i had a bad accidnt and spent 5 days being pupmed qwith anti biotics,without any warning or advice from anyone about the dangers this can bring to my digestive system.
A couple of months later i was diagnosed with collic and the journey into hell began lol

Unfortunatly all the issues it brought lead me to a situation where i have no job,medical card or any faith left in the medical profession.
I did go for a general blood test in beaumont but they refused to give me the results and i havent been back to that doctor due to money and medical card issues.
I seem to be mostly recovered apart from the fungal side which i havent attacked yet.
Im happy to say i am feeling great most days now and go for a run nearly everyday too.
Mainly im looking for stories from people who have been here before and actually recovered! as this seems to be rare or hard to find online anyway.

Oryx

Okay I'll let it roll for now... but noone here can advise you medically on this one.

Torakx

Thanks.
I actually hadnt considered that.
I probably wouldnt take medical advice anyway
Im open to tips on dieting recipies and things of that nature though.
My diet is so bland i have actually started to enjoy eating raw broccolli as i cook haha!
But the main reason to post here was just get an update from any others with the same condition and how they recovered fully if any at all did.

Dermighty

Torakx wrote: »

I also was feeling extremely faint when i stopped eating sugar and carbs so thought i was hypo glycemic and was just inflaming the issue eating more sugar.
Told all symptoms to another doctor again and i was given sme tabs for acidy stomach and sent to a professor.
Long story short it was around then i decided to relook online for symptoms and candida matched.

Hypoglycaemic would mean that you suffer from low blood sugar, so ingesting carbs would make you feel better. Hyperglycaemic is too much sugar.

Oryx

The problem here is that you have decided that your issues are all based on this problem. You also mention in passing that you 'thought' you were hypoglycaemic. I realise that doctors can miss things sometimes, but to continually self diagnose could be problematic for you. Just saying.

Anyway. I had candida (thrush) for years. I did clear it from my system by careful treatment, correct clothing, and slight adjustment to my diet. It took a while but I didnt do anything like as extreme as you describe.

Torakx

Dermighty wrote: »

Hypoglycaemic would mean that you suffer from low blood sugar, so ingesting carbs would make you feel better. Hyperglycaemic is too much sugar.

My typing isnt great or explanations sorry.
I meant i thought i was hypo-glycemic.But it turned out eating all that sugar made the situation worse.
Either way it was a fail self diagnosis on my part.
And why it is recommended people see an expert..i do realise.


Thanks for the reply Oryx.Im guessing you didnt have a systemic infection.
If so did your diet return to normal and had no re occurances?


I guess im going the "extreme" route due to the extereme hell i went through for the last 10 years.
Its pretty much ruined my life as i knew it.

ally23

Torakx wrote: »

My plan of attack (yes this is war lol) is to keep this type of diet for as long as i can,im guessing min 1-2 months.
While doing this i will try garlic capsules and will be drinking alot of pau darco tea with xylitol and taking multi vits and uva versi etc etc.
Only after minimum a month or two will i start to phase out the garlic capsules and try other antifungals.As i want to bombard it with several different types at different tiimes to make sure i do the job right.


Thanks for reading.

Don't overdo it on "bombarding" the candida - this will affect your immune system which is a delicate thing and overstimulation is harmful.
Too much garlic is damaging to the stomach.
The best approach is a gentle, tonifying approach. No doubt this has been a stressful time for you and you also need to focus on relaxation techniques which strenghthens your immunity and hence resistance to candida in a more constructive way.
I wish you all the best and fair play to you for taking responsibility for your own health.

El_Dangeroso

Torakx wrote: »

Diagnosed it myself about 3 years ago or less.

That's your problem right there. Do you have a white covering all over your mouth? Do you have a white foamy coating on your genitalia?

No? Then you don't have candida. It's one of the most common self-diagnoses and 99.9% of the time it's completely wrong.

Go to a doctor, seriously.

Torakx

Thanks but i wash regularly and yes i do have oral thrush or did until i recently started going hardcore with the diet.
Theres a fair bit of a difference between localized thrush and a systemic infection due to anti biotics.
Im still in the stage between having the infection well under control and just have a fungal element left behind that will need to be addressed in a month or two.
I was mainly looking to find people who had a systemic infection and managed to recover,without re-accurance.
When i can afford it or get my medical card, i will have the option of asking a doctor to phone about my blood test results or go for more.

Its not a question at all to me wether i have a candida systemic infection,due to anti biotic abuse.
Its only really a question of what else i might have lol.
But afaik i should be ok apart from that.
Nearly all symptoms gone now.

If you like you could think of the candida as a symptom of anti biotic misuse/overuse.
When i recover i will be doing my best to not get into a situation again where i will need them again.

ps, i need a doctor anyway to officially write off that i do have a fungal infection.So dont fret on that too much,i appreciat the concern.

trishasaffron

OP - I can totally relate.

Intestinal candida was something that made great sense to me when I started to research it. My self diagnosis was later confirmed by a conventional medical doctor who also practices as an "alternative" practitioner. Unlike many conventional medical doctors he has a really broad based approach to health - its such a relief to find someone like that rather than the usual piecemeal approach.

I followed a strict diet from time to time - avoiding sugar is the main thing and also took nystatin which was great in killing off the candida in the intestine though the "die-off" experience was bad. I seem to have it under some control now though that is also perhaps a result of reducing the stress in my life. Stress goes straight to my stomach. But the exhaustion and aches and pains are greatly reduced - though I should say they do flare up from time to time.

Torakx

Nice to hear you got it diagnosed.Those doctors be rare!
I can also relate with the die off.
I hear saunas are helpful for that phase.If you dont sweat out the die of bacteria(if its been in your blood etc) its got to go somewhere.

Speaking with diet in mind.
I am holding back a little on the anti fungals and have been for a while.
I wanted to wait until i had the infection down to a minimum which will hopefully be in a month or 2.
Then hit it with everything by rotating various antifungals, like garlic,olive leaf,pau darco tea(with xylitol sweetner) etc.
Ive been reading that fungai can mutate pretty quick so if you hit them with a chemical and you dont get every last one, there could be a chance of growth again and another infection of a stronger fungus.

Thats why i have another 2 months of strict diet
And maybe a month or two after that of anti fungal rotations with a strict diet.

Its actually been a great learning experience! being sick and recovering has taught me many recipies! I live so much more healthier than i ever did in my lfe and feel better for it.
Im a whizz in the kitchen now too haha
My chicken and broccolli curries are awesome.
If anyone wants to swap recipes, im your man

Susie_Q

If your problem is really candida, your first step is to get this confirmed by a medical doctor. Self-diagnosis is madness in my opinion.

I had candida on and off for 10 years, am now 2 years clear with no relapses after seeing a specialist. Treatment included very strong anti-fungal prescription medicine with very strict diet for 3 months. Very hard work and quite expensive but I've been healthy ever since. If you want the name of the specialist I saw PM me - though he won't treat you unless you have a confirmed diagnosis from a doctor (rightly so).

Torakx

I think by the time i get my medical card, i will be nearly recovered.
As far as i have heard it can take up to 3 months.
Im planning to be through the anti fungal stage by that time.
But i will most likely get alot of tests done when i get sorted.
It may be kind of hard to diagnose it though, if ive detroyed nearly or all traces in my system.

I really dont want to be in a situation where i need to regrow it, just to get a diagnosis.Since i will have absolutely no symptoms in 2 months or less if this routine keeps up.
Mainly i will be asking a doc for tests when i research all underlying illnesses that might cause a low or compromised immune system.
With all that said though, im about 99% sure it was anti biotic related.

Infact what i should be worrying about is how many brain lessions i will have after 10 years of bacteria/fungus entering the bloodstream.

Torakx

ally23 wrote: »

Don't overdo it on "bombarding" the candida - this will affect your immune system which is a delicate thing and overstimulation is harmful.
Too much garlic is damaging to the stomach.
The best approach is a gentle, tonifying approach. No doubt this has been a stressful time for you and you also need to focus on relaxation techniques which strenghthens your immunity and hence resistance to candida in a more constructive way.
I wish you all the best and fair play to you for taking responsibility for your own health.

Thanks for that advice too.
A good reminder for me to make sure i get enough sleep.
Ive been out jogging quite alot recently which i always finds helped with symptoms before.But il try not to over do stress on my body overall


Edit:To save triple post.
Was wondering about b12.
Wiki source

Eggs are often mentioned as a good B12 source, but they also contain a factor that blocks absorption. However, the binding capacity of heat treated egg yolks and egg whites is markedly diminished after heat treatment
Seems to me if i keep myself generally fit and keep eating healthy my body will eventually heal itself naturally over time...anti fungals aside ofc.

does this mean if i eat about 8 eggs a day i should be ok for b12?
I ussually have 3-4 in the morning 2 with dinner and sometimes another 4 in the evening.

keane_jp

Susie_Q wrote: »

If your problem is really candida, your first step is to get this confirmed by a medical doctor. Self-diagnosis is madness in my opinion.

I had candida on and off for 10 years, am now 2 years clear with no relapses after seeing a specialist. Treatment included very strong anti-fungal prescription medicine with very strict diet for 3 months. Very hard work and quite expensive but I've been healthy ever since. If you want the name of the specialist I saw PM me - though he won't treat you unless you have a confirmed diagnosis from a doctor (rightly so).

Hi. I was just wondering if someone could contact me privately with a recommendation, for the tests you get done for candida and names of consultants people go to with candida? Been to a few gps they don't seem to know much about this condition.
Regards,
JP

Selfheal

Hi Torakx

I've had this problem for the past 3-4 years. An absolute divil to clear. Went on a really strict diet for 3 months as prescribed by Naturopath and this was great. Problem was that about a month after the diet finished it was nearly Christmas and I tucked in as usual to mince pies, plum pud, christmas cake and of course higher than yearly average intake of red wine, mulled wine etc etc. So in January I was back to square 1.

Since then I haven't had the will power to go back on the diet so I just mainly try and regulate my sugar intake and live with what I consider an acceptable level of it. I tried the Garlic capsules every day which did no good so I then tried swallowing a clove of fresh garlic every day, - no effect either. Cooking with coconut oil and using this at every possible opportunity works for me as does inserting a clove of garlic overnight in the nether regions whenever I feel like a glass of wine. Works a treat. At the moment I'm taking 2 strong-ish pro-biotics every night on an empty stomach and so far I feel cautiously positive about this, as I've been having a little fruit juice lately and even a slice of apple pie last night after dinner and did not feel the effect, which normally I would. I did take a strong probiotic before a couple of times, but usually with my coffee in the morning which I think was negating any positive effect. Hopefully it will work this time.

Pau d'Arco tea was also recommended by the Naturopath but I didn't find that it helped. I am curious that you would be taking Xylotil with this - surely best to avoid if possible, no?

Totally with you on your sentiment that it is a WAR.... GP wasn't much good I have to say. Went to her in first instance and she gave no advice re diet. Just prescribed a cream which worked for about a week but then it came back, and I knew I hadn't dealt with the cause of the problem. Why aren't the Medics better informed about this????

Stench Blossoms

Selfheal wrote: »

Cooking with coconut oil and using this at every possible opportunity works for me as does inserting a clove of garlic overnight in the nether regions whenever I feel like a glass of wine. Works a treat.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

amazingemmet

This comment will probably get ban hammered but the fastest way to deal with Candida is oral canestan tablets. F*ck all the naturopath sh1te. Kill the infection off and before you start thinking you've got super candida or whatever health scare is going they can't adjust to the canestan as it literally dissolves them.

Then all you've got to do is deal with some candida die off for a few days. And avoid reinfection.

devotional1993

Try Threelac-works within 3 days-well it did for me.

Diaz

amazingemmet wrote: »

This comment will probably get ban hammered but the fastest way to deal with Candida is oral canestan tablets. F*ck all the naturopath sh1te. Kill the infection off and before you start thinking you've got super candida or whatever health scare is going they can't adjust to the canestan as it literally dissolves them.

Then all you've got to do is deal with some candida die off for a few days. And avoid reinfection.

What is "candida die off"?

amazingemmet

Diaz wrote: »

What is "candida die off"?

A variety of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheimer_reaction

Diaz

amazingemmet wrote: »

A variety of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheimer_reaction

:eek: Ugh - doesnt sound fun alright.