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13 Reg or not?

  • 29-04-2012 10:44am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭


    Well I was planning to purchase a new Golf in January of 2013.
    Rumours have been around that the plate system might be changed
    for next year as many are superstitious in regards to the 13 reg.

    Personally I'm not, although the mark 7 Golf is being released in October.

    My question is, if sales are going to be down next year if the plate system isn't changed. A new golf out with minor issues probably would I be best to order a 12 late this year, as I presume their will be room for haggling and better discounts/deals on the mark 6.

    Thanks. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Where are you getting these rumors? Can't see the state bowing to superstition.... Then again, you never know. Ultimately, a 12 be it late 12 will be worth less quicker.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭DarkJager


    Deciding whether or not to buy a car because it has 13 on the plate is just superstitious idiocy in this day and age. Buy the car based on its own merits, not the number on the plate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭carmad


    It's not basing a car on the reg, I'll be buying a highline golf with a few options.
    So depreciation should be good, I'm just worried that people might be put off the 13 reg when I trade it in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,127 ✭✭✭kirving


    A JAN-13 reg should still be worth more than a DEC-2012, all else being equal.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A leaf costs 25,500 Probably as cheap or cheaper saving you a fortune in fuel if the range doesn't scare you off! :D

    What spec were you thinking of, apart from the highline, options , engine, gearbox ?

    This superstitious crap make people look like total fools, I know people that wave at magpies for feck sake and one woman goes mad convincing herself that something is going to go wrong.

    Mad Irish! Go buy your 13 reg and enjoy it, keep the Germans in jobs! ;)


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  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OSI wrote: »
    Honestly, a highly specced car is goin to depreciate heavier than a low spec one. Being Ireland, little value is put in the specification of second hand cars.

    I agree, and you only get the book value of the car without options.

    Still it makes the car more attractive to the 2nd hand buyer. I always look for the car with the higher spec and they are always usually around the same price as the lower spec cars. Some people try to get the money back that they spent on extras, those cars are usually for sale a very long time!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭carmad


    I'm looking at the 1.6 diesel engine, in highline spec with the media pack and winter pack.
    Which really is headlight washers, heated seats, iPod adapter, touch screen radio with more speakers and in built Bluetooth. I'm going for the bi xenon lights with an upgrade of wheels to 18inch. I'm buying straight so I'm in a better position for a deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭carmad


    I do about 15,000 miles a year, and known to keep my car in new car condition for many years.

    I do see your points about the 13, and the newer engines are going to be more economical.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    MugMugs wrote: »
    Can't see the state bowing to superstition.... Then again, you never know.

    Are you kidding? Or do you mean some state other than the one we are living in?:confused:

    I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the first car registered in Laois next year has the number XIIILS1. That would please Rome no end.:)

    Come to think of it, it would also be pretty cool.:D


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    carmad wrote: »
    I'm looking at the 1.6 diesel engine, in highline spec with the media pack and winter pack.
    Which really is headlight washers, heated seats, iPod adapter, touch screen radio with more speakers and in built Bluetooth. I'm going for the bi xenon lights with an upgrade of wheels to 18inch. I'm buying straight so I'm in a better position for a deal.

    How about the 1.2 tsi ? nearly 2K cheaper would probably pay for the extra's and more ? That's a lot of money for only 10 mpg more or less. or just an extra 3.5 kms per litre is it really worth that ?

    Is the Leaf out of the question ? one owner here has racked up 24,000 kms in I think under a year ? One of the biggest savings you could make if you can adapt to he mileage, maybe you do under 60 miles a day ? sure they are not for everyone but still. I'd be getting one knowing what I could save.

    This isn't one of my e.v rants before anyone starts at me! ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 Bensmyth


    LOL I'm just wonder why would you waste your money on a VW there are far better cars out there with better reliability too.
    Anyway I can't see them changing the reg plates for 2013. I'd buy 2013 it wouldn't bother me. You know the saying 13 lucky for some unlucky for others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    Bensmyth wrote: »
    LOL I'm just wonder why would you waste your money on a VW there are far better cars out there with better reliability too.
    Anyway I can't see them changing the reg plates for 2013. I'd buy 2013 it wouldn't bother me. You know the saying 13 lucky for some unlucky for others.

    Let that be the end of that, that's not the topic of the thread


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Carmad, 60 miles a day is around 15000 miles a year, and well within the range of a Leaf. And much more!

    The Golf at say 50 mpg per tank would cost you around 84 Euro's to fill.

    580 miles per tank or € 2100 per 15,000 miles.

    The Leaf will get you 85,220 miles for the same money, how about that ?

    And that's going by 65 miles range at about 100-110 kms per hour, you will get closer to the 100 miles range at about 80 kph and less, some people get 120 miles per charge. So you could get more than 85,000 miles, or based on the cost of about 2k extra to buy the golf, would get you about 160,000 miles of motoring, yes miles not kms!

    The question you have to ask yourself is now that the leaf is cheaper than the golf by about 2-3 k for your spec, are you prepared to spend so much more to fuel it, + the extra purchase cost ?

    That 2k would go a good bit towards a solar panel on the roof !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Soarer


    keep the Germans in jobs! ;)

    And consequently keep our country afloat!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,626 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    I will be buying a '13 reg car and won't bother me in the least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,267 ✭✭✭Elessar


    I'll second the 1.2tsi for that mileage.

    I bought a new Golf myself this year (Edition-R) with the 1.2tsi and it's a brilliant engine. I do similar mileage and the diesel cost just didn't add up...not to mention more potential headaches with the DPF, DMF etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    For 15000 miles (24,000km) I'd be going diesel unless it's all town driving. That's not tiny mileage by any means, and I can't imagine a top spec 1.2 3 cylinder Golf will be that desirable come trade in time.

    I know diesel isn't for everyone, but IMO would be the one to go for in this case.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    For 15000 miles (24,000km) I'd be going diesel unless it's all town driving. That's not tiny mileage by any means, and I can't imagine a top spec 1.2 3 cylinder Golf will be that desirable come trade in time.

    I know diesel isn't for everyone, but IMO would be the one to go for in this case.

    It's not a 3 pot it's a 4 pot, and it's a good engine. True the trade value might be worth more but it costs more to buy.

    so you save 3 kms per litre on buying the diesel, you get 8,000 kms extra over the petrol. That's around 5000 miles and 790 Euro's per 24,000 kms taking 2-3 years to make up the difference. I even think the 1.2 tsi is capable of 45 mpg per tank so the difference could be much smaller more like 1.5 km extra per litre.

    Remember that 2100 Euro's of Diesel @ 50 mpg per tank gets you 84,000 miles in electric!

    If I were buying 2nd hand I won't spend 2-3 k more for the diesel because there is no value for money in the difference, I'm not the only one either. There is great value in 2nd hand petrols!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    Lovely car that would be. Highline, xenons and 18s. I doubt they'll change the 13 reg and I doubt it will affect vale down the line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    It's not a 3 pot it's a 4 pot, and it's a good engine. True the trade value might be worth more but it costs more to buy.

    SOrry, thought it was 3 pot for some reason

    Thing with Golfs is; there are a lot of morons out there that will pay stupid money for diesel Golfs. These people won't buy petrol, that's why there are so many bargain GTIs out there.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    DarkJager wrote: »
    Deciding whether or not to buy a car because it has 13 on the plate is just superstitious idiocy in this day and age. Buy the car based on its own merits, not the number on the plate.

    I agree. ...but when buying you have to consider other peoples' idiotic superstitions with future resale in mind.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Okay I'm just after seeing the cost of the 1.2 TSI 105ps Golf is almost 4k more cheaper than the Diesel,

    Forget it, it makes no sense at all that would be nearly 4 years driving to make that up. Not a chance in Hell I would buy the Diesel !

    You won't have cam belts to change either and as Elessar pointed out that the dmf and dpf won't be an issue, but usually the dmf goes after warranty, mine went in the caddy after 15,000 kms and again in another model after 50,000. Put me right off diesel I can tell you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Okay I'm just after seeing the cost of the 1.2 TSI 105ps Golf is almost 4k more expensive than the Diesel,

    More expensive?


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    SOrry, thought it was 3 pot for some reason

    Thing with Golfs is; there are a lot of morons out there that will pay stupid money for diesel Golfs. These people won't buy petrol, that's why there are so many bargain GTIs out there.

    Indeed, I would rather buy a 5 year old GTI than a new diesel golf any day, diesels in small cars just don't seem right, Sure they are more refined these days but still better suited to vans!

    I couldn't justify the tax though, as someone here on boards said a while back, the Government should offer reduced tax based on the year of the car so older premium cars can be bought by the people who can't afford to buy new. It would give a great boost to 2nd hand car sales.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    More expensive?

    Woops wrong way around, the 1.2TSI is 4k CHEAPER than the 1.6 diesel in Highline spec as the op was after ;)


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Edited! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭DarkJager



    I agree. ...but when buying you have to consider other peoples' idiotic superstitions with future resale in mind.

    It wouldn't bother me, I'd just politely put in the sale advert that superstitious time wasters are not wanted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭RoverZT



    That 2k would go a good bit towards a solar panel on the roof !

    What advantage would that bring?

    I would go for a Leaf as well, but in a few years.

    They are not nearly good enough yet.

    They are like the first smartphones, too slow, too limited.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭RoverZT


    Indeed, I would rather buy a 5 year old GTI than a new diesel golf any day, diesels in small cars just don't seem right, Sure they are more refined these days but still better suited to vans!

    I would love a BMW 120d.

    177 bhp and torque of a V6 in a car that does 60mpg.

    Remap it to 230bhp and 450nm

    Nice.


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  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RoverZT wrote: »
    What advantage would that bring?

    I would go for a Leaf as well, but in a few years.

    They are not nearly good enough yet.

    They are like the first smartphones, too slow, too limited.

    Not as good as they will be sure, but good enough for 90+% of peoples motoring.

    As in the op's case of 15k miles per year, the Leaf works out more than capable for him.

    As I keep saying you buy a car that meets 95% of your driving not 5% that makes no sense, especially not as the op can get the Leaf €1200 Euro's cheaper that would get him over 50,000 miles in electric.

    IF he had a solar panel he could charge his car with it, but personally I would use the saving to pay for a holiday or just for the electricity!


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RoverZT wrote: »
    I would love a BMW 120d.

    177 bhp and torque of a V6 in a car that does 60mpg.

    Remap it to 230bhp and 450nm

    Nice.

    Still have to pay for diesel, and you won't get 60 mpg per tank in that with 180 hp on tap! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭RoverZT


    Not as good as they will be sure, but good enough for 90+% of peoples motoring.

    As in the op's case of 15k miles per year, the Leaf works out more than capable for him.

    As I keep saying you buy a car that meets 95% of your driving not 5% that makes no sense, especially not as the op can get the Leaf €1200 Euro's cheaper that would get him over 50,000 miles in electric.

    IF he had a solar panel he could charge his car with it, but personally I would use the saving to pay for a holiday or just for the electricity!

    They are finding it very hard to sell the ev's in europe, even the big price drops are not shifting them.

    I think we will see a huge advancement in the next 3 years, ie double range, double the power, faster charging and all that.

    Anyone that buys now could be buying a Palm OS smartphone compared to a Galaxy S3.

    Worlds apart and no reason for it, as diesel/petrol are still not that expensive to make you change over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭RoverZT


    Still have to pay for diesel, and you won't get 60 mpg per tank in that with 180 hp on tap! :D

    If you take it easy of course you will.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OSI wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure the 105ps 1.2TSI has a DMF

    Indeed you're right, my mistake, the 85 hp one had no dmf. to the best of my knowledge anyway!


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RoverZT wrote: »
    If you take it easy of course you will.

    The OP doesn't need the power then, nor the extra expense of a BMW! ;)


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  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RoverZT wrote: »
    They are finding it very hard to sell the ev's in europe, even the big price drops are not shifting them.

    I think we will see a huge advancement in the next 3 years, ie double range, double the power, faster charging and all that.

    Anyone that buys now could be buying a Palm OS smartphone compared to a Galaxy S3.

    Worlds apart and no reason for it, as diesel/petrol are still not that expensive to make you change over.

    What goes on in the rest of Europe really is completely irrelevant to the OP.

    Most people wouldn't but the leaf because it cost more to buy, and because it may or may not do that (occasional) long trip. and now that it costs less than a Golf it should change peoples minds, the fact the OP could save a lot of money by buying a Leaf that is well capable of doing his 15k miles per year and many more, for a lot less money is surely worth considering and the 2nd hand value is a lot more than what he would get for a Golf by the going rate for 2nd hand leafs in Ireland!

    I will agree with you on the technological advances to come, but that can be said fro pretty much everything.

    The Renault Zoe would be the better car for charging anywhere <1 hr (30 mins as chargers are upgraded) as the leaf only has a few quick chargers. But most charging is done at home. But the Leaf has no mileage restrictions!

    Now if the OP couldn't care less about spending so much money on fuel and he says an E.V is not an option, then that is an entirely different matter!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    OSI wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure the 105ps 1.2TSI has a DMF

    DMF in petrol is much less likely to go wrong though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭carmad


    Firstly, may I thank every one who commented on this thread, I'll try get to many questions asked.

    Why a Golf? Personally I feel it's best in class and I'm a VW enthuast. I'm currently driving a mark three golf.

    Nissan Leaf, Dont like it at all, and I think electric cars need to be redefined in Ireland. They are the future, just infrasucture needs to be rolled out before the cars, that's just my opinion. They have proven how good they are.

    In a question to my mileage I should of stated its at least 15,000 to 20,000 depending on work of course. I like the drive of diseal engines, I like torque in a car and Volkswagen have proven themselves with diesel engines. My daily drive consists of back roads, N7,M50 & N11. I'm not sure if a 1.2TSI would return better consumption at motorway speeds.

    Thanks for the support, I'll be ordering a '13 in November ;):)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    A JAN-13 reg should still be worth more than a DEC-2012, all else being equal.

    That's mad the the same car two cars manufactured at the same time, might have different resale value just because one was first registered in Dec2012 and other in January2013.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    DarkJager wrote: »
    Deciding whether or not to buy a car because it has 13 on the plate is just superstitious idiocy in this day and age. Buy the car based on its own merits, not the number on the plate.

    the problem is not your beliefs , but the beliefs of other people or car dealers when you go to sell it afterwards, or people pretending to have those beliefs to act as leverage for a lower price.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    CiniO wrote: »
    That's mad the the same car two cars manufactured at the same time, might have different resale value just because one was first registered in Dec2012 and other in January2013.

    welcome to the idiocy of having the year on the plate. It only benefits SIMI


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    carmad wrote: »
    Firstly, may I thank every one who commented on this thread, I'll try get to many questions asked.

    Why a Golf? Personally I feel it's best in class and I'm a VW enthuast. I'm currently driving a mark three golf.

    Nissan Leaf, Dont like it at all, and I think electric cars need to be redefined in Ireland. They are the future, just infrasucture needs to be rolled out before the cars, that's just my opinion. They have proven how good they are.

    In a question to my mileage I should of stated its at least 15,000 to 20,000 depending on work of course. I like the drive of diseal engines, I like torque in a car and Volkswagen have proven themselves with diesel engines. My daily drive consists of back roads, N7,M50 & N11. I'm not sure if a 1.2TSI would return better consumption at motorway speeds.

    Thanks for the support, I'll be ordering a '13 in November ;):)

    With your mileage needs most charging would be done at home in 4 hours from 0% for 2013 model.

    The 1.2 105 tsi was suggested because you would need to drive about 4 years to make up the cost of buying the diesel.

    enjoy giving all that money to the government :D

    Seriously though best of luck, I'm sure you You will enjoy driving around in a new Golf! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 billbee


    carmad wrote: »
    Well I was planning to purchase a new Golf in January of 2013.
    Rumours have been around that the plate system might be changed
    for next year as many are superstitious in regards to the 13 reg.

    Personally I'm not, although the mark 7 Golf is being released in October.

    My question is, if sales are going to be down next year if the plate system isn't changed. A new golf out with minor issues probably would I be best to order a 12 late this year, as I presume their will be room for haggling and better discounts/deals on the mark 6.

    Thanks. :)

    you think the 13 reg is bad what about before the number regs came out ... all the county s had letters and one county i think it was tipperary they had 3 numbers and three letters RIN then then when that ran out it went to RIO and then it went to RIP ,,,,,, now you can imagine what thoughts that brought up to the superstitious types .. this is true


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    welcome to the idiocy of having the year on the plate. It only benefits SIMI

    I don't really see anything wrong with a year on a plate.
    But it should be manufacture year, Not the year of first registration as it is now.
    Then car manufactured in 2012 would have 12 plate no matter when it was first registered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭pburns


    Last year it was Skoda Superbs, this year every post seems to turn into a rant about the Nissan-bloody-Leaf!

    Relying solely on a plug-in car with multi-hour charging is a no-no for me. My life isn't as well planned or predictable as Sessonu or whatever his name is and you can never account for an emergency dash to hospital or some-such. Might never happen but living in the sticks I don't want to have to wait for the car to charge if somebody's head is hanging off:p!
    RoverZT wrote: »
    I think we will see a huge advancement in the next 3 years, ie double range, double the power, faster charging and all that.

    Anyone that buys now could be buying a Palm OS smartphone compared to a Galaxy S3.

    Worlds apart and no reason for it, as diesel/petrol are still not that expensive to make you change over.

    I broadly agree with that although I'm not sure I'd be so optimistic about range advances over the next few years! Frankly I think the Opel Ampera is a more interesting direction, or -even more so - Peugeot/Citroen diesel Hybrid4. I'm a bit dubious about the French leading the charge on electric/hybrids though if I'm honest!

    As for the OP - if they do change the reg system you'll know before Nov and can make up your mind then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    CiniO wrote: »
    I don't really see anything wrong with a year on a plate.
    But it should be manufacture year, Not the year of first registration as it is now.
    Then car manufactured in 2012 would have 12 plate no matter when it was first registered.

    that would actually be hell. Youd only have car dealers bringing in small amounts of stock in april and they wouldnt dare keep something on the forecourt for fear it might stay there till january


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pburns wrote: »
    Last year it was Skoda Superbs, this year every post seems to turn into a rant about the Nissan-bloody-Leaf!

    Relying solely on a plug-in car with multi-hour charging is a no-no for me. My life isn't as well planned or predictable as Sessonu or whatever his name is and you can never account for an emergency dash to hospital or some-such. Might never happen but living in the sticks I don't want to have to wait for the car to charge if somebody's head is hanging off:p!



    I broadly agree with that although I'm not sure I'd be so optimistic about range advances over the next few years! Frankly I think the Opel Ampera is a more interesting direction, or -even more so - Peugeot/Citroen diesel Hybrid4. I'm a bit dubious about the French leading the charge on electric/hybrids though if I'm honest!

    As for the OP - if they do change the reg system you'll know before Nov and can make up your mind then.

    Sure go buy the Opel Ampera and spend 15 grand more for the what if occasion, that makes real sense!

    The Leaf works for the people that buy them and they quiet happy with them.

    Zoe will charge in an <hour, <30 mins when the chargers are upgraded, which is in progress, and their are quiet a few around now!

    Plugin hybrid is too expensive and complicated and a complete waste because their battery is too small to be useful and you have to rely on a much more expensive fuel.

    Op you sure November isn't too late to have for Jan ?


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ........... by the going rate for 2nd hand leafs in Ireland! ..........

    Just as you mentioned it, surely new ones dropping in price from €30k to €25k can't have done the going rate for 2nd hand ones any good?


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RoverJames wrote: »
    Just as you mentioned it, surely new ones dropping in price from €30k to €25k can't have done the going rate for 2nd hand ones any good?

    For anyone that paid the full 31 k no not at all, but they do hold their value. Or at least were until they reduced the price.

    Now that you said that you got me thinking, surely dealers can't expect to sell leafs with 5-8k miles for the same price as a brand new one ?


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ........ surely dealers can't expect to sell leafs with 5-8k miles for the same price as a brand new one ?

    That was my point :)
    My next question was what are you reckoning the going rate is?


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