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Sinn Fein's unpublished agenda?

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    #62
    Dubhlinner
    Registered Users Posts: 456 ✭✭Dubhlinner


    Dotsey wrote: »
    Don't forget to look at Fine Gael aswell.

    We won't know how SF will be in government until we see them there as it's about 90 years and a long time since they were last in government here, if this stance was taken then we should just re-elect Fianna Fáil all the time all we all know what they are like.
    The Greens, Labour and PD's were or will be ruined by stints in government, Fine Gaels support will return to it's normal 20 to 25% mark once election time comes around and then we'll see which party can take the biggest chunk out of them.

    :confused: what are you on about.


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    #63
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Dubhlinner wrote: »
    :confused: what are you on about.

    I think he's saying people who won't vote SF because they are untested in government will by their logic continue to vote the "devil you know".


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    #64
    Dubhlinner
    Registered Users Posts: 456 ✭✭Dubhlinner


    right so actually nothing to do with my point that sinn fein will likely be less left wing once in power (like labour)........ and therefore even more suitable to a coalition with FF. didn't say anything about not voting for them


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    #65
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    thecommietommy wrote: »
    Yes, SF could end up propping up a future FF led govt.

    not while Micheal martin is running FF


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    #66
    thecommietommy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 564 ✭✭✭thecommietommy


    Sinn Féin is experiencing a surge in support, making it the second most popular Irish party with 21 per cent. Against the backdrop of a four-year recession and a loss of sovereignty following an international bailout, the party’s potent cocktail of leftwing and nationalist policies is striking a chord with a public weary of austerity. The party is leading opposition to new cuts and taxes, including the household charge, which is being boycotted by 500,000 people.

    “It may not be a rush to the barricades but there is a slow revolution taking place,” Mr Adams told the Financial Times in an interview.

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/12055de4-991b-11e1-9a57-00144feabdc0,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F12055de4-991b-11e1-9a57-00144feabdc0.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politics.ie%2Fforum%2Fsinn-fein%2F188477-financial-times-praises-potent-sinn-fein-leading-opposition.html#axzz1uqUU9b6N


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    #67
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭golfball37


    The Indo went on a 4 page offensive today. Fionnan Sheehan had 2 pages on SF's lies. [Should be noted his other half is a front bench Fianna Failer]

    Sam Smyth had an opinion piece on how SF differ North & South with rather harsh language.

    Then an editorial which bizarrly claimed that it was SF's hidden motive to actually bankrupt and ruin this country, based on the evidence we showed you today etc etc.

    :eek:


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    #68
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Its interesting to see the reaction in the dail and the papers to SF's popularity lately. They are in fight or flight mode.


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    #69
    cgarrad
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cgarrad


    Has anyone costed the unifying of Ireland.

    Northern Ireland is one of the worst preforming economies in the OECD with state spending heading for 80% and nearly 30% state employment.

    Westminster give the 5 billion a year to keep going.

    SF never shut up about the 3 billion anglo notes, how will they justify spending that on something even less productive.

    More opaque economics will be trotted out by Pearse no doubt...

    Anyway an awful idea at an awful time.


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    #70
    thecommietommy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 564 ✭✭✭thecommietommy


    cgarrad wrote: »
    Has anyone costed the unifying of Ireland.

    Northern Ireland is one of the worst preforming economies in the OECD with state spending heading for 80% and nearly 30% state employment.

    Westminster give the 5 billion a year to keep going.

    SF never shut up about the 3 billion anglo notes, how will they justify spending that on something even less productive.

    More opaque economics will be trotted out by Pearse no doubt...

    Anyway an awful idea at an awful time.
    Maybe the long term cost of keeping it disunified also should be considered ? Billions wasted in the last 90 years on a border never asked for, or populiar with the 80% plus of the Irish people.

    But I'm sure you would rather this wasteage to go on another 90 years or indeed indefinetly :rolleyes:


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    #71
    cgarrad
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cgarrad


    thecommietommy wrote: »
    Billions wasted in the last 90 years on a border

    Billions on the border? Really?

    physical-map-of-northern-ireland.gif

    Any from the map above the new border wil be approx the same so that argument hold little merit.


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    #72
    whitelines
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 159 ✭✭whitelines


    cgarrad wrote: »
    Has anyone costed the unifying of Ireland.

    Northern Ireland is one of the worst preforming economies in the OECD with state spending heading for 80% and nearly 30% state employment.

    Westminster give the 5 billion a year to keep going.

    SF never shut up about the 3 billion anglo notes, how will they justify spending that on something even less productive.

    More opaque economics will be trotted out by Pearse no doubt...

    Anyway an awful idea at an awful time.

    Yes, and The Republic can't afford it today or tomorrow.

    By the way, NI is a region of The UK, so your OE CD figures are completely irrelevant. You might as well pick some slum in the north-east of England and declare their figures.


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    #73
    cgarrad
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cgarrad


    whitelines wrote: »
    By the way, NI is a region of The UK, so your OE CD figures are completely irrelevant. You might as well pick some slum in the north-east of England and declare their figures.

    I would if we were going to carry the can for them. That makes the relevant.


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    #74
    thecommietommy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 564 ✭✭✭thecommietommy


    whitelines wrote: »
    Yes, and The Republic can't afford it today or tomorrow.
    Britain mightn't be able to afford the north tomorrow either !!!

    Britain in grip of worst ever financial crisis, Bank of England governor fears
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/06/britain-financial-crisis-quantitative-easing
    By the way, NI is a region of The UK, so your OE CD figures are completely irrelevant. You might as well pick some slum in the north-east of England and declare their figures.
    Not true as seen below. After 90 years of been spoon fed by England, would the unionists not think of trying to develop it's private sector in conjunction with the south, instead of forever asking the English tax payer to support you ?

    Northern Ireland receives most public money per head in UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14845296


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    #75
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    cgarrad wrote: »
    Billions on the border? Really?

    It costs £100k per year just to clean up after bonfires! Segregation has a massive financial cost as well as social costs.


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    #76
    Richard
    Registered Users Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Richard


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    It costs £100k per year just to clean up after bonfires! Segregation has a massive financial cost as well as social costs.

    Segregation wouldn't stop in the event of a United Ireland.


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    #77
    whitelines
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 159 ✭✭whitelines


    thecommietommy wrote: »
    Britain mightn't be able to afford the north tomorrow either !!!

    Britain in grip of worst ever financial crisis, Bank of England governor fears
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/06/britain-financial-crisis-quantitative-easing

    Not true as seen below. After 90 years of been spoon fed by England, would the unionists not think of trying to develop it's private sector in conjunction with the south, instead of forever asking the English tax payer to support you ?

    Northern Ireland receives most public money per head in UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14845296

    What do you mean 'The Unionists'? From what I gather the subsidies benefit everyone in NI.


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    #78
    cgarrad
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cgarrad


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    It costs £100k per year just to clean up after bonfires! Segregation has a massive financial cost as well as social costs.

    If it costs a hundred thousand to clear up after bonfires then it would take ten thousand years to spend a billion on cleaning up bonfires.


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    #79
    cgarrad
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cgarrad


    whitelines wrote: »
    What do you mean 'The Unionists'? From what I gather the subsidies benefit everyone in NI.

    It does, well everybody except those with a job who pays tax to fund the subsidies...


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    #80
    fianna saor
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭fianna saor


    Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »
    As far as i can see, the biggest fear of having SF in office would be (a) they would put Ireland before europe, and (b) they would actually implement left wing policies.

    Two very dangerous things. Cant have that now, can we =)?

    imagine that! a government that actually look out for our welfare
    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    I think he's saying people who won't vote SF because they are untested in government will by their logic continue to vote the "devil you know".

    yes the old tennis match of ff-fg-ff-fg etc. look where that got us


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