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Brian D'Arcy was right.
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27-04-2012 1:10am#1
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Benny_Cake wrote: »As far as I know he has to submit his articles to a theologian for pre-approved so it is a sort of censorship, I'm not certain of that though..
That's what he said, but he didn't mention if any of the material he had checked by the theologian was rejected, or removed, or changed. So it's all a bit strange. On a side note I'm pretty sure as a journalist he's been submitting his articles to a newspaper editor for pre-approval too.Benny_Cake wrote: »It's a little strange though, most of his articles are fairly pastoral in nature, the Sundays World is many things, but one of them isn't a serious theological journal! So it's difficult to see what the problem was. He's very well liked and this could be a serious misstep by church authorities.
Agree completely. It's all a bit odd so far. No mention of what the original complaint was over. No mention of any doctrinal conflicts. No mention of any problems since his stuff has been checked. I wonder were his remarks on censurship censored... and yeah very nice man personally.
I hope it doesn't turn into some saga that is drip fed to us with claims and counter claims.
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Benny_Cake wrote: »I'm not denying the many priests who are doing as good a job as Fr. Brian, just making the point that he reaches people who otherwise might never speak to a priest - in the Sunday World of all places. That should count for something. It might be better if CDF investigations were the exception rather than the rule - which unfortunately seems to be fast becoming the case.
Sometimes people give out because they don't act quick enough, and other times people give out because they think they act too soon, or have formed a previous opinion, whether it be a marian apparition or what they think Christ preached; many are influenced by the 'age' they live in - people have opinions, but God has a Church and we're asked to love Christ who is the real presence within it ultimately, and we have the Eucharistic Congress coming up
in Ireland, the last time was virtually a lifetime ago, it's a good time to reflect on God's will too - Reaching people is a good thing, reaching people and giving them a challenge doesn't always go down too well, but Christ is not fearsome, he loves sinners, the first approach etc. - it seems that rather than revolting, actually using our talents to live for him is possibly what we should be doing - and there are lots of people doing this very very quietly and will remain unsung for a long time. They're part of the history of the Catholic Church.
There's only providence at play Benny - in any given lifetime that lives in a tumultuous time, and certainly not the first or last...lots of things seem large, but it's good to have perpective and an anchor and some humility to say, 'I don't know..' - let's see.0 -
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Anyone have any suggestions why an eighteen month old disciplinary statement only became news this week?
Hint: I'd begin with who broke it and what are their other news stories.
So -anyone? -who broke it?
So, is this new news or old news? It reads like it's only just happened
Very odd.0 -
So, is this new news or old news? It reads like it's only just happened
Very odd.
According to himself, Fr. D'arcy has been living with the censure for the past 14 months!
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0426/brian-darcy-censured-vatican.html0 -
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When I heard about this silencing of priests a few weeks back I genuinely thought it was a joke .... are we in 2012 or 1412 ....... but it is far from funny.
The arrogance of telling a man who has served & sacrificed & defended his Church as a priest for over 50 years that he should take himself off to another Church beggars belief.
It's not arrogance, it's their job - they're never liked too much because most people have a vested interest in many things, whether it be a visionary or indeed the words of one Priest. They're job is to make sure that the doctrine preached is Catholic, every Catholic is entitled to hear Catholic doctrine from their Catholic Priests.
Fr. Darcy is a Catholic Priest. He's a good man, people love him and he has touched hearts, but he is no different than any other Priest who is trusted to preach the Gospel, live the Gospel and also have respect for his fellow Priests and his Church. Unfortunately, the media attention on this is, as usual, blown out of all proportion.
If you think of an employee who asks his employer 'Is it ok for me to represent you, but I have contrary opinions to you?'
The employer says, 'No, it's not ok...'
The employee says, 'But I think you're wrong here...'
The employer says, 'It's not going to happen, you must accept that...'
The employee says, 'Well, I think it's wrong, we should have this, that and the other and have a dialogue on it..'
The employer says, 'That's what we have done as a whole, and I'm sorry, but no is the answer'
Then the employee does it anyway, preaches and in a very public way criticises and hurts all of the other employees who are actually getting on with improving conditions for everybody....and in doing so undermines them and has scant regard for them - even if he is doing something for personal noble reasons, he is still misrepresenting his employer, and hurting his fellow employees even if he doesn't necessarily mean to.What I find really worrying though is that apparently in other instances priests have been told they will be removed from the priesthood if they breath a word about their silencing.
They make an oath of obedience. Whom did you hear of?If this isn't fascism I don't know what is .... amazing how quick they can move when they feel the whiff of a threat to their own power and yet they could drag their feet for decades when children were being abused & families destroyed.
It always comes back to this - and there is a thread for it somewhere abouts that can be enlightening.
This thread is about Fr. Brian Darcy having a column and speaking out and criticising the Church and making peoples lives who are part of the Church even more difficult, because it feeds into an already virile anti Church movement - It's not helping.
Fr. Brian has a column today in the Sunday World - he is far from 'silent' - In fact, he thought that the worst sin he ever committed in his life was to cut down some trees following the order of his superior at the time so apparently he is still very vocal, and still very much a public figure with a column in a big newspaper. 0 -
So I stayed up into the early hours yesterday and caught the interview Fr D'arcy did with Marian Finucane, and tbh I don't think he came across well in it at all... he made numerous references to not contradicting or questioning matters of church doctrine and that's fine, but he left a lot of questions unanswered as far as I was concerned.
He seemed to be hinting that anything outside strict church doctrine, could/should be left up to the individual to decide for themselves and the church should respect whatever conclusions they come to. It seems to be moving even more towards the church as a happy clappy safety blanket that doesn't actually require anything from the people who make it up.. he made lots of references to the 'common man on the street' etc that the church must welcome and accept as they are but tbh I'd remind him that you can't serve two masters, God and popular culture.. and from what he was saying it sounded like all compromise must come from the side of God/the Church. He didn't mention anything about people being encouraged to compromise their 'modern values' for the sake of their faith and relationship with God. Perhaps that's not what he meant but it is how it came across as I listened. I don't respect that position at all.
.. he also made clear that any material he prepares for broadcast on the BBC is triple-checked by them before he is allowed use it, so in that sense there seems to be a bit of hypocrisy going on. He didn't appear to have a problem about that at all and accepted that the so called censor, hasn't actually taken any action against anything he has written since the censure started. Sounds like a pointless exercise.
I really wanted him to do well but IMO the interview didn't work out that way at all. 0 -
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It's not arrogance, it's their job - they're never liked too much because most people have a vested interest in many things, whether it be a visionary or indeed the words of one Priest. They're job is to make sure that the doctrine preached is Catholic, every Catholic is entitled to hear Catholic doctrine from their Catholic Priests.
Fr. Darcy is a Catholic Priest. He's a good man, people love him and he has touched hearts, but he is no different than any other Priest who is trusted to preach the Gospel, live the Gospel and also have respect for his fellow Priests and his Church. Unfortunately, the media attention on this is, as usual, blown out of all proportion.
If you think of an employee who asks his employer 'Is it ok for me to represent you, but I have contrary opinions to you?'
The employer says, 'No, it's not ok...'
The employee says, 'But I think you're wrong here...'
The employer says, 'It's not going to happen, you must accept that...'
The employee says, 'Well, I think it's wrong, we should have this, that and the other and have a dialogue on it..'
The employer says, 'That's what we have done as a whole, and I'm sorry, but no is the answer'
Then the employee does it anyway, preaches and in a very public way criticises and hurts all of the other employees who are actually getting on with improving conditions for everybody....and in doing so undermines them and has scant regard for them - even if he is doing something for personal noble reasons, he is still misrepresenting his employer, and hurting his fellow employees even if he doesn't necessarily mean to.
They make an oath of obedience. Whom did you hear of?
It always comes back to this - and there is a thread for it somewhere abouts that can be enlightening.
This thread is about Fr. Brian Darcy having a column and speaking out and criticising the Church and making peoples lives who are part of the Church even more difficult, because it feeds into an already virile anti Church movement - It's not helping.
Fr. Brian has a column today in the Sunday World - he is far from 'silent' - In fact, he thought that the worst sin he ever committed in his life was to cut down some trees following the order of his superior at the time so apparently he is still very vocal, and still very much a public figure with a column in a big newspaper.
So being a priest is just like any other job and the RC is like Google or any other company ..... my mistake I thought it was supposed to be a vocation & the "people of God" etc etc 0 -
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