Wedge replacement, there a time?

TheDoc

Was looking at my Vokey 52* this weekend and my lord its rusted as ****KK.

I have three wedges, only carry two and they are pretty old. Your talking maybe 4-5 years for the newest one.

Vokey 60* and 52*
Nike 56*

I was just wondering if there is a point when your wedge needs replacing, being for what its for I imagine they wear down quickly.

The vokeys are oil can and rusted pretty serious. Was half contemplating getting rid and putting money towards those MD wedges I keep hearing so much about

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-MD-GOLF-WEDGE-SEVE-ICON-GUNMETAL-LOW-BOUNCE-CHOOSE-LOFT-FLEX-RRP-69-99-/400289077361?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Golf_GolfClubs_JN&var=&hash=item9c00efe464#ht_2018wt_952

GreeBo

TheDoc wrote: »

Was looking at my Vokey 52* this weekend and my lord its rusted as ****KK.

I have three wedges, only carry two and they are pretty old. Your talking maybe 4-5 years for the newest one.

Vokey 60* and 52*
Nike 56*

I was just wondering if there is a point when your wedge needs replacing, being for what its for I imagine they wear down quickly.

The vokeys are oil can and rusted pretty serious. Was half contemplating getting rid and putting money towards those MD wedges I keep hearing so much about

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-MD-GOLF-WEDGE-SEVE-ICON-GUNMETAL-LOW-BOUNCE-CHOOSE-LOFT-FLEX-RRP-69-99-/400289077361?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Golf_GolfClubs_JN&var=&hash=item9c00efe464#ht_2018wt_952

Rust adds spin, so dont worry about that.
However the grooves will wear down and you could see some benefits from getting them regroved.
Harrington gets his regroved/replaced after every round I believe, but take what you want from that

TheDoc

GreeBo wrote: »

Rust adds spin, so dont worry about that.
However the grooves will wear down and you could see some benefits from getting them regroved.
Harrington gets his regroved/replaced after every round I believe, but take what you want from that

Guess I'm in the " My wedges are ancient" mindset

Plus I keep hearing about these MD Seve wedges and for €40 a pop I'm kinda feeling like I can't say no

Never got anything regrooved before? whats that contain, bar them essentially cleaning them

GreeBo

TheDoc wrote: »

Guess I'm in the " My wedges are ancient" mindset

Plus I keep hearing about these MD Seve wedges and for €40 a pop I'm kinda feeling like I can't say no

Never got anything regrooved before? whats that contain, bar them essentially cleaning them

Cleaning certainly helps, but the groves do wear down and lose their edges.
You can buy re-groove tools online for €10 that will sharpen them back up, or get them done by a pro (not sure of the cost)
Just clean the grooves yourself and see does it make a difference, grooves should be clean on all clubs!

SnowDrifts

GreeBo wrote: »

You can buy re-groove tools online for €10 that will sharpen them back up

What are people's thoughts on these - do they work? It really is amazing how quickly the grooves on vokey wedges wear down. I got two last year and was getting huge amounts of spin - this year, they just about check up!

TheDoc

GreeBo wrote: »

Cleaning certainly helps, but the groves do wear down and lose their edges.
You can buy re-groove tools online for €10 that will sharpen them back up, or get them done by a pro (not sure of the cost)
Just clean the grooves yourself and see does it make a difference, grooves should be clean on all clubs!

haha, a now I'm always making sure my grooves are clean. They get a clean every night before a game and during a round I've a little blade thing I chip muck out of

Mister Sifter

GreeBo wrote: »

Rust adds spin, so dont worry about that.

Rust doesn't add spin. That's a myth. If anything it's actually counter-productive.

TheDoc

As a point of discussion, I remember always being told go for the oil can wedges because as they rust with the moisture when they clubhead goes through the turf, they will generate more spin.

Can't say personally I've ever noticed major spin on my wedges.

But even moreso, never looked into this claim. I just took as its what everyone said

k.p.h

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Rust doesn't add spin. That's a myth. If anything it's actually counter-productive.

Tests done by golflabs.com state otherwise: (all be it a certain amount of time after wedge being new, maybe rusty is way to go for long term investment)



Link to original article: http://www.golf.com/instruction/how-make-pitches-bite

BraveDonut

When considering new wedges what sort of bounce should you be looking at?

I sometimes struggle with my 52-08 where I can blade/shank it through decelerating the club head at impact.

Should I be looking at the highest bounce possible to help reduce this?

Thanks

L.O.F.T

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Rust doesn't add spin. That's a myth. If anything it's actually counter-productive.

+1

From Donald MacKenzie on the Sand Trap:
''Also, there's a wives' tale that rusty wedges increase spin. The theory is that the rust creates a rougher surface, and that friction leads to more spin. That's bull. The spin is the same for a rusty wedge as it is for a chromed wedge - when they're both new. Once the wedges start wearing down, you'll lose some spin, and that will happen faster with a raw wedge than with one that is chromed''

Link:http://thesandtrap.com/b/bag_drop/is_rust_a_must

GreeBo

If rust (i.e. a rough face) doesnt add more spin, why is it illegal to rough up the face of your club with sandpaper etc?

k.p.h

BraveDonut wrote: »

When considering new wedges what sort of bounce should you be looking at?

I sometimes struggle with my 52-08 where I can blade/shank it through decelerating the club head at impact.

Should I be looking at the highest bounce possible to help reduce this?

Thanks

That's a little bit of a complicated one, in theory less bounce would help as it would put the leading edge close to the ground but in reality maybe a little bit more bounce and then adjust you technique to get down on the ball a bit better (using the extra bounce to guard against fat shots).

In general I think of it as, Tight lies (fairway/fringe/hard sand) work well with low bounce and Fluffy lies (rough/fluffy sand) work well with more bounce. But as a rule I will always the the shot with the wedge with the most bounce if possible.

Jul3s

If I was you OP I'd buy a PW to fill the huge gap you must have between your 9 iron and GW.

Mister Sifter

GreeBo wrote: »

If rust (i.e. a rough face) doesnt add more spin, why is it illegal to rough up the face of your club with sandpaper etc?

Rust is not hard enough to make a difference. Rust does not change the surface in the way that sand paper or a file of some sort would.

irish bloke

There is plenty of information out there to suggest groves have no impact on ball spin at all.

Initial intention of groves were to trap the dirt between the ball and club face to allow more surface contact.

If you have zero groves on a wedge you will have more surface contact between the metal and the ball at impact.

A rough surface vs. a smooth surface is a different matter IMO. Rough giving the better traction.

I play with a guy from time to time off 1 and he checks the ball up like nothing ive seen before and his wedges are over 10 years old.

k.p.h

irish bloke wrote: »

There is plenty of information out there to suggest groves have no impact on ball spin at all.

Initial intention of groves were to trap the dirt between the ball and club face to allow more surface contact.

If you have zero groves on a wedge you will have more surface contact between the metal and the ball at impact.

A rough surface vs. a smooth surface is a different matter IMO. Rough giving the better traction.

I play with a guy from time to time off 1 and he checks the ball up like nothing ive seen before and his wedges are over 10 years old.

Actually sounds about right, when the groove rule change was coming in there was not a lot said about it reducing spin, but rather reducing spin from the rough.

GreeBo

All the groves do is give the grass/dirt somewhere to go so they dont get in between the balla nd the face.
Same as car tyres having groves versus slicks. Slicks have more grip, unless its wet.

I would disagree that rust is not hard enough, rust is oxidized metal so is essentially metal. Unless there are chunks of it falling off its only surface rust and so is no weaker than the original face of the club.

golfnut1

It stands to reason that rust increases spin due to increased friction.
Either that or Mr vokey doesn't know what he's on about.

TheDoc

Jul3s wrote: »

If I was you OP I'd buy a PW to fill the huge gap you must have between your 9 iron and GW.

I have a PW

The gap wedge was not just to fill the gap between my PW and SW, but its also a stupidly useful club where you can hit a number of shots around the green with.

It should be the first club someone buys outside of a set of irons imo,

TheDoc

Also I think I'm going to pickup the wedges I linked above. For €80 you cant go wrong, and my vokeys are very old at this stage

They are still in good nick, and I should be able to get a good €20 for each

Tones69

This is golf, u dont need a reason to buy a new wedge if you want to go for it

TheDoc

Tones69 wrote: »

This is golf, u dont need a reason to buy a new wedge if you want to go for it

Go for it I did.

52* and 60* ordered.

Came to a total of like €70 for both, some little discount on shipping for ordering two.

Might do a lil review when I get them

Mur1

TheDoc wrote: »

Also I think I'm going to pickup the wedges I linked above. For €80 you cant go wrong, and my vokeys are very old at this stage

They are still in good nick, and I should be able to get a good €20 for each

Email dunluce golf directly and you'll get a better deal than they offer on ebay. The address is on there webpage

edit... A little bit late with this

TheDoc

Mur1 wrote: »

Email dunluce golf directly and you'll get a better deal than they offer on ebay. The address is on there webpage

edit... A little bit late with this

:O

TBH I thought €70 for two wedges was a serious good deal

Thanks for the info though

charlieIRL

TheDoc wrote: »

:O

TBH I thought €70 for two wedges was a serious good deal

Thanks for the info though

where did you order them? did you get them off e-bay?

Mur1

I've bought off them before and they sent a little card saying to contact them directly for any future purchase's. I suppose they can offer better prices because there's no cut for ebay. They just invoice your paypal directly

TheDoc

charlieIRL wrote: »

where did you order them? did you get them off e-bay?

Yeah through their ebay store, the link is in my first comment

Cool, I actually think thats me done for the year, spent some serious monies since January. So I'm happy now with what I've got, if anything might pickup a new bag or something down the line this year.

So I'm weary of looking into their shop, just incase

Tones69

TheDoc wrote: »

Tones69 wrote: »

This is golf, u dont need a reason to buy a new wedge if you want to go for it

Go for it I did.

52* and 60* ordered.

Came to a total of like €70 for both, some little discount on shipping for ordering two.

Might do a lil review when I get them

Boom!

TheDoc

Tones69 wrote: »

Boom!

Your man was straight in touch saying theyd be shipped today, have em by Friday according to himself

maverick_21

Anyone know much about these MD wedges?Whats the best model to buy? I am looking for a left handed 60degree wedge!These look like great value...