Where to start?

orourkk3

Just looking for some advice on where to start with e-cigarettes. I have a 20 a day habit. Want something that looks, feels and tastes like conventional cigarettes to improve my changes of giving them up. Having had a good look around I'm tempted by the Joyetech 510 mini and the Jasper and Jasper starter kits. Anyone who has used these, what are they like? Any other products I should consider? Looks like I'll have to shell out €50 to get started, just wanna make sure I buy the right thing.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et_3kQh2Umk

the innokin aio pcc kit looks good, if you absolutely have to have one that looks like a cigarette

generally they're not as good in terms of battery life (I think they last an hour or two, depending on how much you're vaping) but the innokin gets around that by having a portable charging case in the shape of a cigarette box. charge the box, drop your battery in there when you're not using it and it oughta last you the full day between charges

reviews of it seem pretty good, if I was gona get a cig looking device this'd be it. or another one that had a portable charging case as I just couldn't deal with the terrible battery life

http://www.safercigs.co.uk/Innokin_AIO_IK1200_PCC_510/p705283_6359108.aspx



http://e-smokeireland.eu/epages/950002218.sf/en_IE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/950002218/Products/DCCXLKIT

i'd reccomend this kit though, larger bettery so one fully charged batt oughta last you a day or two. the cartomisers are better as well, they hold more juice and give a warmer vape so it feels more like a cigarette.

with this kit too, once you have those batteries you can throw any cartomiser or tank setup onto it and it'll work. boge cartomisers in particular are imo slightly better than the dual coils, but the differences arent really very pronounced. boge has slightly better flavour, dual coil has warmer vape and can be kinda "rougher" so feels more ciggie like.
you'll also need some eliquid for it as there's none in the kit

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

15% off that esmoke Ireland one until the 23rd

15% of all Starter Kits until the 23rd of April. Enter "Starter" in the Coupon field at

Checkout. Do not press ' Redeem Coupon' instead press the update button to receive

the discount. Please use StarterUK for all orders in Pounds/Sterling

that'd bring it down to around.. uh.. 42?

pretty damn good

Neil_Sedaka

Very good deal here and it includes postage too.

€29.99 for an ego-t kit delivered.

http://www.bargainvapour.com/650mah_EGO-T__510_THREAD/p1274299_6347079.aspx


Also buy some e-juice and you're good to go!
Liquid flavour is a personal choice, but Ry4 might be a good starting point.
Also after smoking 20 a day, I'd go for at least 18mg or even 24mg strength juice.

Hope this helps.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

ego-t.. the leakiest of the leaky tank systems

achieve

orourkk3 wrote: »

Just looking for some advice on where to start with e-cigarettes. I have a 20 a day habit. Want something that looks, feels and tastes like conventional cigarettes to improve my changes of giving them up. Having had a good look around I'm tempted by the Joyetech 510 mini and the Jasper and Jasper starter kits. Anyone who has used these, what are they like? Any other products I should consider? Looks like I'll have to shell out €50 to get started, just wanna make sure I buy the right thing.

Although I use a larger device myself, the jasper & jasper rechargeable kits are propably as close as you can get when trying to replicate a real cigarette. In a lot of respects thus making the transition to vapin that much easier. But as stated the smaller batteries can have limited life between charges. But having tried the j&j they not bad in this respect.

orourkk3

Thanks for the comments so far guys. I like the idea of the AIO with the PCC and found the Liberro Realis which looks good. Obviously buying e-liquid is more economical than buying pre-filled cartridges but how many times can I refill a cartomiser or cartridge???

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

the best thing to do with them is not to let them go completely dry, so keep refilling them over the course of their life in small bits.

like vape away on it, then when you get a couple of minutes put a few drops in, vape away for a little longer, put a few more drops in.. they last longer if you keep them wet

it depends on the cartomiser, your juice and your vaping habits.. but 4-7 days would be common enough for a cartomiser, i know people who bin them after 2-3 days and I know people who keep using the same one for 2-3 weeks some times.
if you're getting a cig replica model, make sure it can use other cartomisers than just the ones that come supplied with it.
the innokin can use boge cartos which aside from being very good cartos, are available from a few irish sites w/ next day post and like.. 1.60-2 euro a pop

Tom123

I found the intellcig pretty good for a starter kit, even managed to get my mother in law using one.

orourkk3

So I went and bought a jasper and jasper xplorer kit which arrived today. Just wanted something cheap to see what vaping was like. Charged it for 2 hours connected it up and nothing!!! No vaper, no nothing!!! Have I missed something, have I not charged it long enough??? Anyone any ideas?

achieve

Sounds like a bad battery or charger. You should contact the Vendor who I'm sure will send you a replacement.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

mustbe something likethhat alright if you're getting nothing, they come with prefilled cartomisers.. even if the battery isnt fully charged it should still work, and 2 hours oughta be enough time to get it most if not all the way charged

you sure it's screwed in the full way and all that ?

orourkk3

Yeah its screwed all the way in alright. Led lights up when I pull on it but no vapour. Tried both cartomisers that came with it, sealed in foil, still nothing. Not the best first experience of e-cigs:(

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

how are you drawing on it? you dont draw like a cigarette, you take long slow drags. if you're trying to take real short sharp ones like you would with a cig that might explain it

although id say even then you should be getting a tiny bit

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-T7LIH1dXE

according to this video you have to charge it for 7 hours your first go..
although i think that's just for the health of the battery life, if its lighting up when you draw it should be producing something

orourkk3

Not impressed!! I've left it chargin, will give it another go later on. Tried long slow drags but thats not workin either. Really wanna try this but dont wanna have to spend a small fortune finding one that works

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

how much do you spend a week on fags?
40 euro will get you a kit that works straight away, it's not a huge amount of money

achieve

when you posted that it was not working I first thought dud battery and that may still be the case. But could also b bad cargos, but to have 2 dud batteries would bbv unusual. The j&j do give a fair old hit and easy to use. There's obviously something wrong. Again would advise contact vendor.

orourkk3

So guys, the battery I got with the jasper and jasper xplorer kit was a dud! Got in touch with Declan at ezsmoke.ie who I bought it from and he kindly replaced the kit having first tester the new battery he was sending me. Excellent customer service, would highly recommend his site and will be shopping there myself again.

In my frustration with the jasper and jasper kit (no fault of Declan's) I went out and ordered the liberro realis. Good kit, I like the look, it vapes well but the taste of the supplied cartromizers isnt very pleasant. So then I went and got some 5ml testers to try instead. Refilling the cartomizers using the condom method liberro recommend was easy but I'm not convinced it works all that well, getting e liquid in my mouth and having refilled the cartomizers dont last all that long. Then tried to refill them taking the cap off which resulted in two destroyed caps. The realis caps supply pre-filled dont appear designed to come off.

So now for my questions:

I would like some blank cartomizers to try my new e liquids on the realis, however, the blanks available from liberro are too expensive imo (£15 + £9.99 delivery). Does anyone know of any other cartomizers compatible with the realis?

I'm now regretting not taking sir digby's advice and going for the Innokin AIO instead. Should I just put the realis down to trial and error and go for the Innokin instead?

Or given that the Innokin has a 510 connection and I already have a jasper and jasper kit (which by the way I dont like the taste of either) could I just get a couple of Innokin batteries and a pack of blank cartomizers and live without the PCC. I assuming I can charge the batteries with the usb charger I got with the j&j kit, or have I assumed wrong?

Any advice appreciated guys, Im determined to give this a go, just need to settle on the right kit.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

from what I can see online.. i dont think the liberro use a standard 510 connection so you are stuck with their own brand cartomisers

i dont actually know if you can use the jasper charger with the innokin batteries..
maybe? they are 510 batteries.. so maybe they're similar enough that it'll work

http://www.safercigs.co.uk/Innokin_AIO_IK1200_PCC_510/p705283_6359108.aspx

www.safercigs.co.uk - UKVAPERS - 10% discount code anyway.. so if you add a second battery to it, should come to around 36 sterling + shipping if you get the kit

honestly i think you're better off just getting the kit (well actually I think you're better off getting an ego device, but we won't go down that rabbit hole again) but maybe just buying the battery on its own and using your own charger will work?... I really dont know

if you do get the innokin anyway, you can use boge 2ohm cartomisers with it which can be bought from a couple of the irish stores afaik. one of them definitely. so as long as you havee a way to charge your battery you'll be able to get your cartomisers and liquid cheap enough with next day post.
I think... *think* that the 2ohm boges will drain the battery faster though.. I think the lower resistance, the more it drains.. but you also get more performance out of it .. which imo is another argument for having the PCC

orourkk3

I'm inclined to agree that the kit is the best way to go. I have also been looking at some 510 tank systems. This innokin one in particular http://www.vapeescape.co.uk/boge-innokin-510-t-mini-tank~221 , maybe for use at home, just cant see myself using one of these when out and about and in order to give up the fags I need something I can bring to college, work etc.

newmark

orourkk3 wrote: »

I'm inclined to agree that the kit is the best way to go. I have also been looking at some 510 tank systems. This innokin one in particular http://www.vapeescape.co.uk/boge-innokin-510-t-mini-tank~221 , maybe for use at home, just cant see myself using one of these when out and about and in order to give up the fags I need something I can bring to college, work etc.

Ignore... I was thinking of the other innokin system

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

the larger ego style devices really aren't awkward to use out and about, i was hesitant vaping outside and in beer gardens too when i first got mine but after a while you just think **** it.. I wont be the idiot getting cancer and you're grand.
i just really dont want to see a post by you in 2-3 months time saying "well im loving the innokin kit, but now I think I want something a little extra.. what about those ego batteries" because I will smack you.

the 510-tank option.. i dont know about. I started using an ego-t which is similar enough and while i was pretty happy with the performance, there were leaking issues.. lots of leaking issues. There are other tank systems now for the ego style batteries that are supposedly better in terms of not leaking all over your trousers but they're still a bit .. fiddlier than cartomisers.
the 510-t when its working great will probably give you better flavour than a cartomiser, it's just I can't say whether or not they're any better now for leaking than when they were when I started out on the ego-t's. if I had to guess, probably not. that's not to say you'll neccesarily get a pocket full of juice but in my experience.. once it started to leak, it never stopped..
if you are getting the innokin pcc kit, that will probably do the job for you. moving to the 510-t you linked would probably not be a big enough jump in terms of battery life or performance to warrant the extra money.

orourkk3

What exactly is an ego, are they the ones with the fatter batteries? Do they take cartridges or do you fill a tank like the 510-t? And back to the innokin, will these cartomizers http://www.ezsmoke.ie/boge-cartomizers-pack-p-129.html work with it?

stevenmu

An eGo is a standardised (almost) type of battery. They have the standard 510 connection threads, so they'll work with any 510 atomisers/cartridges/cartomisers etc. They also have extra eGo threads that let them work with a number of eGo only devices.

They also tend to be fatter, but imho they're not really that big, I could pretty much hide an eGo battery + cartomiser in my hands and my hands aren't particularly huge. They last much longer too, they come with different capacities, but most eGo batteries would last most users a full day o pretty close to it.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah ego is the larger fatter battery

theyll take anything is kinda the point. the ego are the new standard. the 510 was the standard several years ago but as technology improved and more devices were invented, the ego (which is basically just a 510 that can hold more charge, so lasts longer) became the most common type.
with the ego sized batteries you can go for a standard resistance or a lower resistance atomiser (lower resistance generally gives hotter vapour and more of it but eats battery power quite a bit faster than standard resistance), you can go for several different types of cartomisers or you can go for several different types of tank systems.
you might technically be able to run some of these on an innokin 510 battery.. but it would eat through the battery so fast it'd be almost pointless and i think might even damage the battery to discharge it that quickly.

if you got an ego kit.. say an ego cartomiser kit.. and you ended up noit being crazy about the cartomisers. you can get some other types of cartomisers and throw them on the batteries you already have. or you can buy an ego-c tank system or an ego-w tank system, biansi imist.. etc etc etc.. you just have more options available to you.


and back to the innokin yes they will but going back to what I said abve about standard resistance versus low resistance.
those boge cartomisers are 2.7-3ohm, so they will work on an innokin but the innokin battery wont be able to drive them hard enough to produce reallyu great flavour or vapour. the boge 2ohms on the other hand
http://www.thebestshop.eu/blank-cartomizers/510-lr-empty-cartomiser/prod_154.html
while they will drain your battery faster than the 3ohm cartomisers they will also work far better on them. you'll get a more cigarette like experience, warmer vapour, more vapour and better flavour.

stevenmu

orourkk3 wrote: »

What exactly is an ego, are they the ones with the fatter batteries? Do they take cartridges or do you fill a tank like the 510-t? And back to the innokin, will these cartomizers http://www.ezsmoke.ie/boge-cartomizers-pack-p-129.html work with it?

Those SR (standard resistence) cartos would work, but they wouldn't be ideal. The LR (low resistance) 2.0 ohm ones would be better if you can find them. Or the 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomisers might be better again.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i think the 1.5ohms are too low res for 510 batteries

i dont know if they damage them or anything but everywhere says not to use them with 510 batts, and even if they dont damage them the batteries will last **** all time as they are kinda too low res for them

stevenmu

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that, I have to stop suggesting that to people.

orourkk3

Have spent the evening looking at tanks systems and different egos, found this which is a long way away from the cig-a-like I've been looking for but looks interesting http://www.ovaleireland.com/page8.php?view=productPage&product=18&category= Any thoughts? Pricey!! Anyone recommend an ego system, there are so many I really dont know which ones I should be looking at.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://www.ezsmoke.ie/boge-cartomizers-pack-p-144.html some LR boge cartos here on the same website you were looking at earlier, they just went up I think.


as for the ego tank styles.. have a look in the "tank system shootout thread" there's a short video in there where a guy compares 5 of them. the ego-c wins pretty comfortably.

http://www.thebestshop.eu/electronic-cigarette-starter-kits/joye-ego-c-starter-kit/prod_230.html

the problem with the ego-c is that they are bloody expensive compared to some of your other options.


about the ovale elips
I dunno, it looks a bit strange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc7kEKb8HL8

video review here of it, but it's 24 minutes long. I'll watch it anyway as i'm kinda curious, but he has this to say about it in the description

My review of the Eagle Elips, provided by Vaporus. Perhaps more well known as sold by Ovale, the Elips is an unusual form factor that's surprisingly comfortable and has a few nice features. Performance, however, is another matter entirely.

so maybe not worth getting.
to be honest even if it was amazing, 99 euro is ****ing ridiculous.

at least with the ego-c at 78 (minus 7.80 with 10% discount I guess) you have several atomisers there (the ego c is a repairable/replaceable atomiser. You can unscrew the top/bottom and replace whatever part needs replacing after it starts to fail. its less complicated than you might think, but im trying to get the point across that at least there's some kind of justification for that high price tag.

the ovale link seems to just be "we ovale, we charge whatever the **** we want"

newmark

orourkk3 wrote: »

Have spent the evening looking at tanks systems and different egos, found this which is a long way away from the cig-a-like I've been looking for but looks interesting http://www.ovaleireland.com/page8.php?view=productPage&product=18&category= Any thoughts? Pricey!! Anyone recommend an ego system, there are so many I really dont know which ones I should be looking at.

I think I've seen that system for less than half that price but cant check now as on my phone internet and its too slow.
Would u consider getting a mini lavatube and a tank and cartomiser system if you would ill send u links in the morning where to get at best price etc. The biansi imist is a good system as well imo.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

lol

i doubt he'll go for a lavatube

newmark

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

lol

i doubt he'll go for a lavatube

I know but most of us buy them tank systems and end up getting a lavatube or similar after a while anyway. The mini lavatube is fairly tidy size and can be used with most setups like ego t ego c, biansi, cartomiser, carto/tanks etc.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah but he thinks the ego batteries are too big for him, you can give it a shot if you want but i'm not even gona attempt reccommending a lavatube

newmark

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

yeah but he thinks the ego batteries are too big for him, you can give it a shot if you want but i'm not even gona attempt reccommending a lavatube

O right ok just when i seen that he was gonna spend 100 notes on that system like urself alarms rang no way its worth it and I was thinking he be better off to get the Lavatube etc for that kind of money. The ego c is probably good option as a lot say its good and it is fairly tidy size. My own experience of the ego c was with generic system.

orourkk3

Sir Digby is right, I cant see myself using an ego or lavatube just yet. Id rather something something similar in size to a real cigarette just to get me started. And Ive no intention of spending €100 on the elips, just thought it looked interesting.

newmark

orourkk3 wrote: »

Sir Digby is right, I cant see myself using an ego or lavatube just yet. Id rather something something similar in size to a real cigarette just to get me started.

Id still highly recommend some sort of ego system it really isn't that much bigger and has a bit more oomph to it and more flexibility to what u can use with it.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

then the innokin kit is still your best bet

you can get the innokin cartomisers from.. wherever, not sure where you get them
or you can get the boge 2ohms
the 2ohms will drain the battery a bit faster, but since you have the portable charging case that's not a huge issue

as far as performance.. an ego battery might be a little bit better but it's main advantage is like I said earlier, the battery life (which is kinda negated by having the portable charging case) and the variety of different things you can use it with that you can't use on the innokins batteries but that's not the biggest issue. if you want to try some of them out in the future, you can just buy an ego battery and an ego charger and then get a few things to try out.

achieve

If you are really pushed on a standard cigarette type model, then something like a Boge Cartomizer 510 Starter Kit is what you should go for. 2 downsides to this kit, is that

(a) battery life is not brilliant (but you can always have spares) and
(b) you will not be able to use LR cartomizers on same, but there are plenty of flavours that work well with SR cartomizers.

The big plus, is that you will be buying "bits" that are all very much interchangeable with 510 threading etc.

But I'm biased in this, and better not say any more!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

lol
iwas watching an ecig podcast a short while ago
and I paused it to take a look at the ovale elips review I posted a few posts ago

just unpaused it to continue the podcast.. and the dude starts talking about the ovale elips
thats pretty ****ing weird

but anyway, he doesnt really like it either

orourkk3

Hey all, just wanted to report back. Decided on the innokin aio pcc following sir digby's advice. Got it from vapeescape cos safercigs wouldn't take my debit card. Got it on Tuesday and have been goin great guns since. Not off the fags completely but getting there. Cracking device compared to the liberro realis. Had been using liberro's 16mg juice on the realis cos I was getting little or no throathit off some 12mg samples I got from the vapourstore. Switched to the innokin and the 16mg stuff cut the throat off me. Battery obviously isnt great but I've got the pcc, otherwise performance is excellent, for me anyway. Spare battery on the way and some extra cartos, went for the innokin ones off vapeescape just to be sure they'd work. Now obviously in future I'd prefer to use Irish sites so should a LR carto work on my innokin batteries? The innokin cartos are speced at 2 - 2.2 ohms, is that the same as a LR carto?

Also got some Liqua traditional tobacco from the best shop which is nice, anyone try the other Liqua tobacco flavours? Sir Digby I think I read somewhere you liked their turkish tobacco??

Thanks again for the advice guys, really really impressed with my innokin.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah I like the turkish and american tocaccos from liqua

it dpends with the cartos and the innokin battery..
the dual coil cartomisers will not work on them, they might even break the battery.. they'll ask it to give more current than it can and that can cause damage

the boge LR's (2-2.4 ohms or thereabouts depending on the sign of the moon the day they were manufactured) will work fine with it.

nonsmokernow

Hi, I do an e cig starter kit, including liquid and carry bag for 35 E, You and I should speak sometime Digby, I'm the .ie version of you, had the name bought before I knew you were there, just doing my thing through fb though

grindle

Weirdest chat-up line ever.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

what is this i don't even

grindle

They bought your name. In IE format.

Get a room you pervs!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

if I was to hazard a hell of a guess.. it's that he thinks i'm involved in e-smokeireland and he owns e-smoke.ie

Green Hornet

Awwww.....isn't this sweet?

Hums 'je t'aime'....

grindle

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

if I was to hazard a hell of a guess.. it's that he thinks i'm involved in e-smokeireland and he owns e-smoke.ie

That wild guess makes much more sense than anything I've got, but e-smoke.ie don't have a set that costs €35.
Only operates via FB... IE version of Digby... I'm lost.
Maybe this is the marketing plan. Sets of riddles hidden within resurrected threads. Shrewd.

Green Hornet wrote: »

Awwww.....isn't this sweet?

Hums 'je t'aime'....

#fap-sound rhythm section to 'Je T'aime'#

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

is the song to my heart