Sheffield United and Wales footballer Ched Evans found guilty of Rape

amiable

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17781842

That_Guy

Jaysus.

amiable

5 years Jail

Samich

The girl couldn't remember how she got there, how about she doesn't drink if she can't handle it! And yes it says she thinks it got spiked, but doubt Evans would have any trouble pulling fit birds anyways.

greendom

Samich wrote: »

The girl couldn't remember how she got there, how about she doesn't drink if she can't handle it! And yes it says she thinks it got spiked, but doubt Evans would have any trouble pulling fit birds anyways.

more fool him then!

EdenHazard

Dude is ugly, but he could still pull most girls! Five years too short for this scumbag, had a career in football and throws it all away, moron!

Redzer7

During Evans' evidence, he told the jury he had gone to the hotel, let himself into McDonald's room and watched his friend and the woman having sex.

It was claimed McDonald asked if his friend could "get involved", to which the woman said yes.

So he just randomly went to the hotel to watch them have sex

In fairness she might have said yes (she was probably out of the face as well), but what the fúck was he doing going to watch them having sex in the first place? Sounds suspicious to me.

Samich

Redzer7 wrote: »

So he just randomly went to the hotel to watch them have sex

In fairness she might have said yes (she was probably out of the face as well), but what the fúck was he doing going to watch them having sex in the first place? Sounds suspicious to me.

Well he was staying in the same room I'd say and was back after his night out.

If McDonald didn't remember the night would he have been raped too?

ciano1

Jaysus.. I remember he was a class youngster in FM09!

Oranage2

Samich wrote: »

Well he was staying in the same room I'd say and was back after his night out.

If McDonald didn't remember the night would he have been raped too?

Only if Evans f*cked him too

Redzer7

Samich wrote: »

Well he was staying in the same room I'd say and was back after his night out.

If McDonald didn't remember the night would he have been raped too?

Well it didn't mention in that piece that they were staying in the room and it didn't look that way to me

The court heard that Evans, whose mother lives in Rhyl, had invited McDonald and others for a bank holiday night out in the seaside town on 29 May.

Because there was not enough space at Evans' mother's house, he booked McDonald into the hotel.

That sounded to me that Evans stayed at home and Evans booked the room for McDonald.

And yes possibly.

I am pie

Some disgraceful attitudes on display here. This rapist scumbag was found guilty in a court of law. I sincerely hope no club ever goes near him again.

A pathetic excuse of a man. Drink is no excuse.

Redzer7

I am pie wrote: »

Some disgraceful attitudes on display here. This rapist scumbag was found guilty in a court of law. I sincerely hope no club ever goes near him again.

A pathetic excuse of a man. Drink is no excuse.

Exactly! If it was any other randomer in that link people would be quick to put them down and call them a scumbag, but just because he's a footballer people stand up for them? He was convicted ffs.

Brussels Sprout

Samich wrote: »

The girl couldn't remember how she got there, how about she doesn't drink if she can't handle it! And yes it says she thinks it got spiked, but doubt Evans would have any trouble pulling fit birds anyways.

And it only took 3 posts to blame the woman. Nice



For what it's worth. McDonald got the cab that he was travelling in to pick up the woman when he saw her stumbling drunkenly along the road. He then phoned Evans saying that he'd "got a girl". They're a pair of scumbag predator rapists and I'm disappointed that they both didn't get convicted.

maximoose

How did McDonald get off unpunished?

ricero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxeauG2Qhho

Jimmy Iovine

Complete fool. Deserves his time in jail if he's up to that ****e.

What a waste his 29 goals or so this season has been if he's not going to be around next year. End of his career and rightly so.

ASOT

Ched Evans.

Putting an all new meaning to the chant 'He scores when he wants.'

I am pie

ASOT wrote: »

Ched Evans.

Putting an all new meaning to the chant 'He scores when he wants.'

ASOT - Putting a new meaning to the phrase 'inappropriate, not funny, crass, etc etc etc...'

ASOT

I am pie wrote: »

ASOT - Putting a new meaning to the phrase 'inappropriate, not funny, crass, etc etc etc...'

In all fairness theres worse posts than mine in this thread.

Muff_Daddy

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

End of his career and rightly so.

I wouldn't be so sure. Lee Hughes walked straight out of jail for causing a death by dangerous driving, and signed a two-year contract at Oldham Athlethic.

Obviously I agree with you that he should never play football again at professional level, but there is still the chance that some lower division team struggling for goals when he gets out (which most likely will be closer to 2 years than 5) may take a chance on him.

acquiescefc

As a Wednesday fan its a shocking announcement

I think we want to see their most prolific goalscorer in 30 years dissapear from the face of the earth but this is just shocking. Mainly for the girl involved. From the evidence thats been provided he was alleged to have left by a fire escape. That doesnt sound very innocent. She was meant to be drunk and the idea was that it was his word against hers.
I think the only people that heard all the facts were the 12 jurors and theyve found one not guilty and the other guilty.
Makes it seem its not as straight forward as people think.

United fans have been singing 'he sh*gs who he wants' for the last few weeks. I dont think even they could sink that low on saturday.

Guy:Incognito

Redzer7 wrote: »

So he just randomly went to the hotel to watch them have sex

In fairness she might have said yes (she was probably out of the face as well), but what the fúck was he doing going to watch them having sex in the first place? Sounds suspicious to me.

In fairness it ranks fairly low on the scale of odd sexual behaviour people engage in.



Surely there was more evidence than whats in the story anyway? Thats sketchy at best. She says she doesnt know what happened, they say she consented. Those two added together dont equal rape.

Redzer7

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

In fairness it ranks fairly low on the scale of odd sexual behaviour people engage in.



Surely there was more evidence than whats in the story anyway? Thats sketchy at best. She says she doesnt know what happened, they say she consented. Those two added together dont equal rape.

Obviously there's more evidence than in the story, which is why he has been convicted. There's no point in any of us trying to say what happened anyways as we don't know the full ins and outs. All I'm saying is it sounds very suspicious.

Guy:Incognito

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

Obviously I agree with you that he should never play football again at professional level, .

I dont know about that. Isnt the point of sending him to jail to punish him? Should he be allowed have any job? Or just not play football? Whats the difference?

Redzer7 wrote: »

Obviously there's more evidence than in the story, which is why he has been convicted. There's no point in any of us trying to say what happened anyways as we don't know the full ins and outs. All I'm saying is it sounds very suspicious.

Surely the details to report would be the ones that prove he commited rape?

Was there a thread on this at the time? Theres usually one. Surprised I hadnt heard about it before.

I am pie

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

She says she doesnt know what happened, they say she consented. Those two added together dont equal rape.

A criminal conviction for rape = He is a rapist !

[QOUTE] Makes it seem its not as straight forward as people think[/QOUTE]

It's very straightforward. A jury heard all the available facts and convicted this animal.

Is there really room in the soccer forum for snide insinuation about the character of the victim of this horrible crime?

Really? Come on lads.

cgpg5

Redzer7 wrote: »

Obviously there's more evidence than in the story, which is why he has been convicted. There's no point in any of us trying to say what happened anyways as we don't know the full ins and outs. All I'm saying is it sounds very suspicious.

Hear hear!

Redzer7

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Surely the details to report would be the ones that prove he commited rape?

Was there a thread on this at the time? Theres usually one. Surprised I hadnt heard about it before.

Well I'd imagine some of the facts haven't being reported yet, would you not think so yourself?

Guy:Incognito

Redzer7 wrote: »

Well I'd imagine some of the facts haven't being reported yet, would you not think so yourself?

The reporters are in the court are they not? I just would have thought if they were printign the story of what happened, it would be a pretty important part.

I am pie wrote: »

A criminal conviction for rape = He is a rapist !

.

If it's overturned on appeal, is he still a rapist?

I'm not saying he didnt do it, but the courts arent always right. Which is why I questioned if details were missing from the story in the article.

Muff_Daddy

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I dont know about that. Isnt the point of sending him to jail to punish him? Should he be allowed have any job? Or just not play football? Whats the difference?

Having a criminal record, especially for a crime as serious as rape, can perclude a person from getting certin jobs. Jobs such as the police force, teachng, nursing and so forth ask for your criminal record when applying, and you can forget about getting work in the United States.

Re professional football clubs, it's just really my opinion that somebody convicted of rape or an equally serious crime should not be rewarded with a dream job in the public eye on their release. A terrible example to be setting and all that.

kitakyushu

I am pie wrote: »

Some disgraceful attitudes on display here. This rapist scumbag was found guilty in a court of law. I sincerely hope no club ever goes near him again.

Haha. Wishful thinking. He'll be back out playing pro again once he's released.

Look at Joey Barton (highlights include stubbing out a cigar in a mans eye, prison sentence for ABH). Clubs still lining up to sign him on his release.

How about Lee Hughes, hit and run causing death. Not a problem. Back playing pro for Oldham within 2 weeks of his release.

Football clubs love a bargain and no doubt ther'll be some League one side looking to pick Evans up for a song when he's eventually released. It'll be a long time before football is a game where job applications have a proviso of 'scumbags need not apply'.

im invisible

Redzer7 wrote: »

Obviously there's more evidence than in the story, which is why he has been convicted. There's no point in any of us trying to say what happened anyways as we don't know the full ins and outs. All I'm saying is it sounds very suspicious.

ah, the old inny-outy

mcw92

CCTV footage played to the jury showed McDonald being approached by the complainant and getting into a taxi which she flagged down.

She drunkenly approached him.

He then took the woman, whom he and Evans had earlier seen fall over in a kebab shop, to a Premier Inn hotel room that Evans had booked in McDonald's name.

He knew she was drunk, so just some easy action for him. No intened harm yet.

During the drive to the hotel, McDonald called someone on his phone to say he was with a girl.

Normal enough, just to let them know where he was and ok.

The complainant had been drinking wine, double vodkas with lemonade and had also had a sambuca shot.
In an interview with the police, she said she believed her drink was spiked that night because she was used to drinking heavily and had never 'blacked out' before.

Having never blacked out is no excuse for thinking you were spiked.

The court heard that McDonald and the woman walked into the hotel 'linking arms" and went to his room.

He might have being holding her up because she was so drunk?

McDonald said they sat on the bed and she immediately began touching his genitals.

Shes drunk, she approached him, she wanted something.

Evans arrived shortly afterwards, went to the room and found the pair having sex.
McDonald claimed that Evans asked if he could get involved, while Evans claimed it was McDonald who asked him if he wanted to have sex with the woman.

This proves there was something very dodgy about the situation.


Now this is not to say i dont agree with the sentence, but to think that a man could go to jail for five years for having sex with a drunk girl who approached him and later claimed that she was very drunk and spiked is a bit mad.

But you never know what these footballers are upto these days, so id somewhat agree with the sentence.

The quotes are from the daily mail :
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2132704/Sheffield-Uniteds-Ched-Evans-jailed-years-rape.html#ixzz1sb954QNx

Redzer7

mcw92 wrote: »

Now this is not to say i dont agree with the sentence, but to think that a man could go to jail for five years for having sex with a drunk girl who approached him and later claimed that she was very drunk and spiked is a bit mad.

He isn't going to prison though, he was cleared. Evans is the one going down for it, and he wasn't approached.

keane2097

Thread is full of teenaged droolers. Good luck.

Redzer7

keane2097 wrote: »

Thread is full of teenaged droolers. Good luck.

What has anyone's age got to do with anything?

Great input to the thread btw.

mikeym

Hope Cheds goalkeeping skills are good when it comes to handling soap

mcw92

Redzer7 wrote: »

He isn't going to prison though, he was cleared. Evans is the one going down for it, and he wasn't approached.

Ah thats where im wrong, ya either way Evans is in the wrong so he deserves to be jailed.
Was also wondering how McDonald wasn't accused but I've cleared it up for myself without realizing!

acquiescefc

this for me was the most interesting piece that was heard at the beginning.

""Evans, who had been with his girlfriend for 18 months at the time, left through a fire escape shortly afterwards.""

Guy:Incognito

mcw92 wrote: »

Ah thats where im wrong, ya either way Evans is in the wrong so he deserves to be jailed.!

Am I missing something? According to the papers quoted, he went in to a room where his mate was having sex with the girl, he asks can he join and is told yes, so he does. How is that a reason to jail him on its own?

There must be some other evidence otherwise it appears to be a flimsy enough story.

Corholio

Not getting into the Evans part, minefield here. But there definitely must be something else that came up that hasn't been reported. McDonald was with the girl first, started having sex with her first, and from what it appears, both him and Evans had sex with her when Evans arrived. So how is McDonald cleared?

Guy:Incognito

acquiescefc wrote: »

this for me was the most interesting piece that was heard at the beginning.

""Evans, who had been with his girlfriend for 18 months at the time, left through a fire escape shortly afterwards.""

If anything, legging it out the back door fits in perfectly with a bloke cheating on his girlfriend.

Giggsy probably had to scarper out the back of his brothers house a few times as young Rhodri was coming in the front.:)

Samich

I am pie wrote: »

Some disgraceful attitudes on display here. This rapist scumbag was found guilty in a court of law. I sincerely hope no club ever goes near him again.

A pathetic excuse of a man. Drink is no excuse.

She should take care of her drinks then or don't drink if she can't handle it :rolleyes:

Samich

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

And it only took 3 posts to blame the woman. Nice



For what it's worth. McDonald got the cab that he was travelling in to pick up the woman when he saw her stumbling drunkenly along the road. He then phoned Evans saying that he'd "got a girl". They're a pair of scumbag predator rapists and I'm disappointed that they both didn't get convicted.

Also it's not just because he's a footballer, this happens way more often than you think.

Woman gets drunk, has sex with a fella, can't remember it. Rape.

Man gets drunk, has sex with a girl, can't remember it. No problem.

acquiescefc

Samich wrote: »

Also it's not just because he's a footballer, this happens way more often than you think.

Woman gets drunk, has sex with a fella, can't remember it. Rape.

Man gets drunk, has sex with a girl, can't remember it. No problem.

Let me guess, you think Anders Breivik was just mucking around with fireworks?

Samich

acquiescefc wrote: »

Let me guess, you think Anders Breivik was just mucking around with fireworks?

No

Mikeyt086

keane2097 wrote: »

Thread is full of teenaged droolers. Good luck.

Using the same method you used to decipher another posters age, the 97 in your username makes you 15.

Jax Teller

Samich wrote: »

Also it's not just because he's a footballer, this happens way more often than you think.

Woman gets drunk, has sex with a fella, can't remember it. Rape.

Man gets drunk, has sex with a girl, can't remember it. No problem.

You assume only women get Raped ?

Samich

Coletrickle88 wrote: »

You assume only women get Raped ?

Quite the opposite.

Man has sex with a dirty bird, can't remember it. Is it deemed rape? No.

Same thing happens with a girl, she says it's rape.

If she at any time said she'd have sex with him it isn't rape. Can't remember it? Don't drink.

Aidric

I am pie wrote: »

Some disgraceful attitudes on display here. This rapist scumbag was found guilty in a court of law. I sincerely hope no club ever goes near him again.

A pathetic excuse of a man. Drink is no excuse.

Moral outrage doesn't fit neatly in to football culture. Barton was referenced earlier in the thread and it's a good comparison. The man has done some truly scummy things down the years but now is seen as a reformed man by many, his opinions lapped up by a great number. The Guardian even had a fawning feature piece on him last weekend. The public love a bad boy turned good narrative.

Another club will pick him up because essentially football is a business.

In summation people have short memories and business is business. That doesn't excuse what he done, it's just reality.

Samich

Aidric wrote: »

Moral outrage doesn't fit neatly in to football culture. Barton was referenced earlier in the thread and it's a good comparison. The man has done some truly scummy things down the years but now is seen as a reformed man by many, his opinions lapped up by a great number. The Guardian even had a fawning feature piece on him last weekend. The public love a bad boy turned good narrative.

Another club will pick him up because essentially football is a business.

In summation people have short memories and business is business. That doesn't excuse what he done, it's just reality.

Also there are views in society that once someone serves their time that's their punishment.