Hurling Championshp 2012 prediction

PTH2009

Predict the following

Munster Final/Winners
Leinster Final/Winners

All Ireland Quarter Finals

All Ireland Semi Finals

All Ireland Final

Draws
Munster
QF- Limerick vs Tipperary (May 27th)
SF- Clare vs Waterford (June 17th)
SF- Cork vs Limerick/Tipperary (June 24th)
F- Played on the 15th July

Leinster
PR- Westmeath vs Antrim (May 19th)
PR- Carlow vs Laois (May 19th)
QF- Dublin vs Laois/Carlow (June 2)
QF- Offaly vs Wexford (June 2)
QF- Galway vs Westmeath/Antrim (June 3)
SF- Offaly/Wexford vs Galway/Westmath/Antrim (June 16th)
SF- Kilkenny vs Dublin/Laois/Carlow (June 23)
Final- Played on the 8th July

Preliminary round: (2 matches) These will be two matches between the first four teams drawn from the six teams who lose their provincial preliminary round games and provincial quarter-final games. The two winning teams will advance to phase 1 of the All-Ireland qualifiers while the two losing teams will be eliminated from the championship. (June 23rd)



Phase 1: (2 matches) The two winners of the preliminary qualifiers will join the two remaining provincial first round and provincial semi-final losers to make up the phase 1 pairings. The two winning teams will advance to phase 3 while the two losing teams will be eliminated from the championship. (June 30th)



Phase 2: (2 matches) These will be two matches between the four teams who lose their provincial semi-final games. The two winning teams will advance to phase 3 of the All-Ireland qualifiers while the two losing teams will be eliminated from the championship. (July 7th)


Phase 3: (2 matches) These will be two matches between the two phase 1 winners and the two phase 2 winners. The two winning teams will advance to the All-Ireland quarter-finals while the two losing teams will be eliminated from the championship. (July 14th)


All Ireland Quarter Finals (2 Matches) 2X losing provincial Finalists vs 2X phase 3 winners. (July 29th)


All Ireland Semi Finals- leinster Winner vs QF winner- (Aug 12th)
Munster Winner vs QF winner- (Aug 19th)


All Ireland Final- Sunday September 9th

PTH2009

Munster Final- Clare vs Cork- Cork
Leinster Final- Galway vs Kilkenny- Kilkenny

All Ireland QF- Clare vs Tipperary- Tipperary
Galway vs Dublin- Dublin

All Ireland SF- Kilkenny vs Tipperary- Kilkenny
Cork vs Dublin- Cork

All Ireland F- Kilkenny vs Cork- Kilkenny

jive

PTH2009 wrote: »

Predict the following

Munster Final/Winners Tipp
Leinster Final/Winners KK

All Ireland Quarter Finals Waterford/Galway Dublin/Cork (if these are possible?)

All Ireland Semi Finals Waterford/KK Cork/Tipp

All Ireland Final KK/Tipp kk win

Fairly similar to last year me thinks...and the years before that :pac:

yomtea98

Tipp win Munster against Clare
Kilkenny beat Galway in Leinster
Kilkenny beat Dublin in final.

liammur

Hurling is becoming far too boring. Nearly everyone agrees on the results.

And the national league format is NOT helping.

jacko1

Munster: Tipp v Waterford Final

Leinster: Galway v KK Final

Qualifiers into QFs - Cork & Limerick
and you heard it here first . . . .Waterford to be all ireland minor winners this year - exceptional panel

adrian522

Munster Cork v Waterford - Cork to Win
Leinster Dublin v Galway - Dublin to win

Quarter Finals

Tipperary v Galway - Tipperary
Kilkenny v Waterford - Kilkenny

Semi's

Cork v Kilkenny
Dublin v Tipperary

Final

Kilkenny v Tipperary

Kilkenny.

skaface

PTH2009 wrote: »

Munster Final- Clare vs Cork- Cork
Leinster Final- Galway vs Kilkenny- Kilkenny

All Ireland QF- Clare vs Tipperary- Tipperary
Galway vs Dublin- Dublin

All Ireland SF- Kilkenny vs Tipperary- Kilkenny
Cork vs Dublin- Cork

All Ireland F- Kilkenny vs Cork- Kilkenny

No Waterford or Limerick in QF... Dream on :rolleyes:

skaface

munster final Waterford v Tipp Tipp win

Leinster final Kilkenny v Galway Kilkenny win

Q Finals Waterford v Dublin Waterford win
Galway v Cork Galway win

S Finals Kilkenny v Waterford Kilkenny win
Tipp v Galway Tipp win

All Ireland Final Kilkenny v Tipperary Kilkenny win

Hope i,m wrong in my prediction , no disrespect to Kilkenny.. but hurling
needs another county to make a breakthrough, can,t see it this year though.

skaface

munster final Waterford v Tipp Tipp win

Leinster final Kilkenny v Galway Kilkenny win

Q Finals Waterford v Dublin Waterford win
Galway v Cork Galway win

S Finals Kilkenny v Waterford Kilkenny win
Tipp v Galway Tipp win

All Ireland Final Kilkenny v Tipperary Kilkenny

Hope i,m wrong in my prediction , no disrespect to Kilkenny.. but hurling
needs another county to make a breakthrough, can,t see it this year though.

Dial Square

Munster final Cork v Clare Cork win

Leinster final Kilkenny v Galway Kilkenny win

All Ireland Final Kilkenny v Tipperary Kilkenny win

unknown_85

Munster Final/Winners - Tipp
Leinster Final/Winners - Dublin (I think we can topple KK in Leinster semi)

All Ireland Quarter Finals - Clare vs KK; Galway vs Cork

All Ireland Semi Finals - Dublin vs Cork; Tipp vs KK

All Ireland Final - Dublin vs KK

Winner ??? Hopefully Dublin but KK having more games through the qualifiers they could be in full flow......let me dream - Dublin

12-D-LIAM number plates on order!!!

cgpg5

Cork will win Munster imo, Kilkenny should canter to victory in Leinster.

In fact it's a three horse race in general this year between Cork, Tipp and KIlkenny I just think Tipp will struggle without Corbett. Kilkenny to win again

adrian522

I think Dublin will be stronger this year without so many injuries and may take Kilkenny in the Leinster semi final as they will already have a game behind them at that stage.

I certainly don't think they will be too far off Cork and are ahead of Galway or Waterford in my opinion.

Kilkenny will struggle if they get a few injuries particularly among the backs as there is not much depth their.

Fireball07

Limerick for Munster!

If Hannon is back and fit for the game against Tipp, I think we can cause a massive upset.



But I expect Kilkenny to destroy all in front of them. I don't think Dublin will beat them in the semi-final, unless they suffer a lot of bad injuries. And I just don't think Cork, Tipp or anyone else can match a full-firing Kilkenny.

Mike O' Brien

Tellin' ya lads, The Dublin Hurlers need some luck, god knows they deserve it. Dubs for the Hurling Final. And yes I do have money on it.

wrmwit

cgpg5 wrote: »

Cork will win Munster imo, Kilkenny should canter to victory in Leinster.

In fact it's a three horse race in general this year between Cork, Tipp and KIlkenny I just think Tipp will struggle without Corbett. Kilkenny to win again

I agree. I can see Cork doing very well this year, regardless of the result on Sunday against Tipp. As for Tipp, Lar is a big loss and I can't see Pa Bourke filling his shoes too soon, however he has the prospect of becoming a great player after a couple of consistant seaons under his belt.

I can see Clare making a couple of upsets and and as for Galway, once they decide to stop depending on one player, they have the makings of a good team.

It's hard to see how Kilkenny won't make it to the final and win it again, it's all who'll meet them in the final. Cork for me.

teednab-el

It amazes me how people are automatically putting Tipp into the final against Kilkenny AGAIN. To me Tipperary are on a downward trend since Browne took over and the lack of a few quality forwards surely doesnt put Tipp into the driving seat. Tipp who still are a formidable force will be lucky to get out of Munster this year with Cork Clare Limerick and Waterford playing great stuff at the moment and it would be quite hard to call a winner of the Munster final.

Red Crow

3/4 teams for me. Kilkenny, Tipp, Galway and Dublin. I only chose Galway because they are a very capable side.

Cork, Waterford etc just aren't good enough compared to Kilkenny.

Fireball07

Eli Manning wrote: »

3/4 teams for me. Kilkenny, Tipp, Galway and Dublin. I only chose Galway because they are a very capable side.

Cork, Waterford etc just aren't good enough compared to Kilkenny.

I think Cork and Waterford are both well ahead of Galway and to be honest, Dublin and Galway can join the names of taems who just aren't good enough compared to Kilkenny.

I don't think Tipp are as strong as in previous years, the loss of Lar will hurt them come Championship and I think they can be beaten in Munster.

.E_C_K_S.

Sorry if this is off topic but does anyone know where to watch the match online? TG4 are not allowed show it and I only have the computer!
cheers

.E_C_K_S.

Seems to be working now, v strange!!

redlead

Eli Manning wrote: »

3/4 teams for me. Kilkenny, Tipp, Galway and Dublin. I only chose Galway because they are a very capable side.

Cork, Waterford etc just aren't good enough compared to Kilkenny.

How in the name of Jesus could you put Galway ahead of Waterford and Cork? They had a good win in the replay of a relegation play off yesterday against an off form and injury ravaged Dublin side. They have not even made an All Ireland semi final since 2005. They were hammered by both Dublin and Waterford in the most recent championship, in fact their only decent championship result against a big side in 6 years or so is a good win over Cork a couple of years ago. It never ceases to amaze me how they are consistently ranked ahead of teams who consistently achieve more than them.

For what it's worth, I fancy a Cork v Kilkenny final this year. Munster is wide open, Kilkenny will cake walk Leinster unfortunately as Dublin seem to have floundered somewhat this year. Hopefully things change for them.

teednab-el

Eli Manning wrote: »

Tipp

Tipperary are no where as good a side as they were in 2009 and 2010.

Eli Manning wrote: »

Galway

The most overrated team in the championship and in every championship. If they perform they can beat anyone but when they don't they can be humiliating. 4 All Irelands in the history books says enough really.

Eli Manning wrote: »

Dublin

I dont think so. They arent good enough to win All Ireland and if they got there, they would be destroyed by Kilkenny.

Bishop_Donal

Munster:

First Round:
- Tipp v Limerick

Day 1: Draw.
Day 2: Limerick AET.

Munster Semi: Limerick v Cork.
Cork by 4 points.

Munster Semi: Clare v Waterford.
Clare.

Munster Final:
Cork v Clare.

Cork to win 1-15 to 0-13.


Leinster Final:

Galway to beat Kilkenny.


I won't comment on quarters, but semis


Cork v Kilkenny: 0-18 to 5-23.
Galway v Tipperary: 3-21 to 3-22.

Final

Kilkenny v Tipperary: 2-21 to 1-19

Nonoperational

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

Munster:

First Round:
- Tipp v Limerick

Day 1: Draw.
Day 2: Limerick AET.

Munster Semi: Limerick v Cork.
Cork by 4 points.

Munster Semi: Clare v Waterford.
Clare.

Munster Final:
Cork v Clare.

Cork to win 1-15 to 0-13.


Leinster Final:

Galway to beat Kilkenny.


I won't comment on quarters, but semis


Cork v Kilkenny: 0-18 to 5-23.
Galway v Tipperary: 3-21 to 3-22.

Final

Kilkenny v Tipperary: 2-21 to 1-19

Ah stop it! If we capitulate to a team again this year I'm leaving the country!

ShamoBuc

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

Munster:

First Round:
- Tipp v Limerick

Day 1: Draw.
Day 2: Limerick AET.

Munster Semi: Limerick v Cork.
Cork by 4 points.

Munster Semi: Clare v Waterford.
Clare.

Munster Final:
Cork v Clare.

Cork to win 1-15 to 0-13.


Leinster Final:

Galway to beat Kilkenny.


I won't comment on quarters, but semis


Cork v Kilkenny: 0-18 to 5-23.
Galway v Tipperary: 3-21 to 3-22.

Final

Kilkenny v Tipperary: 2-21 to 1-19

So, you think Galway will beat KK and then KK will beat cork by 20 points:pac:






- I really hope you are wrong

Fireball07

I honestly can't see Galway even coming close to Kilkenny. Their players just aren't good enough.

How many Galway players would get in the Kilkenny team, for example? 1? Maybe 2?

They've been highly overrated for years now- they're not as bad as the Waterford and Dublin performances last year suggested but they're nowhere near Kilkenny either, and are not real All-Ireland contenders imo. Need to bring players through in a few key positions first. They must have the players there, they've always looked good underage.

MfMan

redlead wrote: »

How in the name of Jesus could you put Galway ahead of Waterford and Cork? They had a good win in the replay of a relegation play off yesterday against an off form and injury ravaged Dublin side. They have not even made an All Ireland semi final since 2005. They were hammered by both Dublin and Waterford in the most recent championship, in fact their only decent championship result against a big side in 6 years or so is a good win over Cork a couple of years ago. It never ceases to amaze me how they are consistently ranked ahead of teams who consistently achieve more than them.

Redlead, rightly or wrongly, they're ranked ahead of Waterford and Cork because they're a county that actually win AIs at some level in the recent past. That's what bookies look at, I'd say. KK (and all this is in MHO) fear Cork and would have a tiny smidgin more fear of Galway than they would have of Waterford. The Deise have actually under-achieved as much as anyone in the past 15 years; the best chance of an AI they had came in '06 when they just fell to Cork in the semi'. Other than that, zilch. Galway have definitely not punched their weight for many years now but at least when they reach an AI final, they can give a good account of themselves.

Mountainlad

MfMan wrote: »

Redlead, rightly or wrongly, they're ranked ahead of Waterford and Cork because they're a county that actually win AIs at some level in the recent past. That's what bookies look at, I'd say. KK (and all this is in MHO) fear Cork and would have a tiny smidgin more fear of Galway than they would have of Waterford. The Deise have actually under-achieved as much as anyone in the past 15 years; the best chance of an AI they had came in '06 when they just fell to Cork in the semi'. Other than that, zilch. Galway have definitely not punched their weight for many years now but at least when they reach an AI final, they can give a good account of themselves.

I would say 2004 and 2007 were better opportunities for us to be honest. It's been proven that underage success doesn't matter that much in terms of being a brilliant Senior team. It's all about the players that come on to the Senior team and who they're developed then.

Take Cork. Cork fans at the end of last year were very pessimistic about their future due to a lack of underage success etc. The mood was lifted when JBM returned but still some struggled to see where they'd get the players. But the fact is that Cork had two very good u21 teams in the past two years. Last year they were unlucky to lose to Limerick in the Munster Final. The year before they were extremely unlucky to lose to Tipp, who anihilated Galway in the final, a Tipp team that included six or seven of the all-ireland senior winning team. So, in reality a straight knockout format like that can be a poor barometer of how teams are progressing especially given Galway only have to catch a team on the hop once to get to the final of the u21 championship.

Also, Galway weren't exactly amazing against Cork in 2005. I would say that both Waterford and Clare gave them a better game that year. Prior to that Galway hadn't been in a final since 1988 (am I right?). May as well have been 45 years to be honest, as the team they had in '88 is as relevant to the team they have now as the Waterford '59 team is to the current crop of players.

Finally, Kilkenny haven't a remote fear of Galway. There was enough evidence of where the fear lay in the 25 point drubbing 3 weeks ago. I know ye had a great win yesterday but of all Counties I would have thought ye'd be the last to get ahead of yerselves. Beating Dublin has not suddenly made ye all-ireland contenders.

My heart is forever battling with my head over Waterford's chances, but being realisitc about it neither Waterford nor Galway will be challenging for for an All-Ireland this year.

Cork look very good at the moment. It was incredible to see Lehane and Naughton rested and that at the same time there forward line would retain all it's potency. Luke O'Farrell will push hard for a place in that team as he was outstanding today on Michael Cahill (best corner back in the country in my opinion). Never have thought much of Niall McCarthy but he hit some brilliant scores today. They seem to have very few weaknesses, albeit Tipp weren't great today. One thing I would say, is that they have all there players available now and that it would be hard to maintain such a high level of performance through out an entire season.

I would have to row in with the consensus and say it's Kilkenny's to lose really.

teednab-el

Mountainlad wrote: »

I would say 2004 and 2007 were better opportunities for us to be honest. It's been proven that underage success doesn't matter that much in terms of being a brilliant Senior team. It's all about the players that come on to the Senior team and who they're developed then.

Take Cork. Cork fans at the end of last year were very pessimistic about their future due to a lack of underage success etc. The mood was lifted when JBM returned but still some struggled to see where they'd get the players. But the fact is that Cork had two very good u21 teams in the past two years. Last year they were unlucky to lose to Limerick in the Munster Final. The year before they were extremely unlucky to lose to Tipp, who anihilated Galway in the final, a Tipp team that included six or seven of the all-ireland senior winning team. So, in reality a straight knockout format like that can be a poor barometer of how teams are progressing especially given Galway only have to catch a team on the hop once to get to the final of the u21 championship.

Also, Galway weren't exactly amazing against Cork in 2005. I would say that both Waterford and Clare gave them a better game that year. Prior to that Galway hadn't been in a final since 1988 (am I right?). May as well have been 45 years to be honest, as the team they had in '88 is as relevant to the team they have now as the Waterford '59 team is to the current crop of players.

Finally, Kilkenny haven't a remote fear of Galway. There was enough evidence of where the fear lay in the 25 point drubbing 3 weeks ago. I know ye had a great win yesterday but of all Counties I would have thought ye'd be the last to get ahead of yerselves. Beating Dublin has not suddenly made ye all-ireland contenders.

My heart is forever battling with my head over Waterford's chances, but being realisitc about it neither Waterford nor Galway will be challenging for for an All-Ireland this year.

Cork look very good at the moment. It was incredible to see Lehane and Naughton rested and that at the same time there forward line would retain all it's potency. Luke O'Farrell will push hard for a place in that team as he was outstanding today on Michael Cahill (best corner back in the country in my opinion). Never have thought much of Niall McCarthy but he hit some brilliant scores today. They seem to have very few weaknesses, albeit Tipp weren't great today. One thing I would say, is that they have all there players available now and that it would be hard to maintain such a high level of performance through out an entire season.

I would have to row in with the consensus and say it's Kilkenny's to lose really.

They got to the all Ireland final in 2001 and lost to an average Tipp side to be fair. Limerick could have beaten Tipp in Munster that year.

teednab-el

Agree with Mountainlad that it's Kilkennys to loose really.

Mountainlad

teednab-el wrote: »

They got to the all Ireland final in 2001 and lost to an average Tipp side to be fair. Limerick could have beaten them in Munster that year.

haha forgot about that one!

MfMan

Mountainlad wrote: »

I would say 2004 and 2007 were better opportunities for us to be honest. It's been proven that underage success doesn't matter that much in terms of being a brilliant Senior team. It's all about the players that come on to the Senior team and who they're developed then.

Take Cork. Cork fans at the end of last year were very pessimistic about their future due to a lack of underage success etc. The mood was lifted when JBM returned but still some struggled to see where they'd get the players. But the fact is that Cork had two very good u21 teams in the past two years. Last year they were unlucky to lose to Limerick in the Munster Final. The year before they were extremely unlucky to lose to Tipp, who anihilated Galway in the final, a Tipp team that included six or seven of the all-ireland senior winning team. So, in reality a straight knockout format like that can be a poor barometer of how teams are progressing especially given Galway only have to catch a team on the hop once to get to the final of the u21 championship.

Also, Galway weren't exactly amazing against Cork in 2005. I would say that both Waterford and Clare gave them a better game that year. Prior to that Galway hadn't been in a final since 1988 (am I right?). May as well have been 45 years to be honest, as the team they had in '88 is as relevant to the team they have now as the Waterford '59 team is to the current crop of players.

Finally, Kilkenny haven't a remote fear of Galway. There was enough evidence of where the fear lay in the 25 point drubbing 3 weeks ago. I know ye had a great win yesterday but of all Counties I would have thought ye'd be the last to get ahead of yerselves. Beating Dublin has not suddenly made ye all-ireland contenders.

My heart is forever battling with my head over Waterford's chances, but being realisitc about it neither Waterford nor Galway will be challenging for for an All-Ireland this year.

Cork look very good at the moment. It was incredible to see Lehane and Naughton rested and that at the same time there forward line would retain all it's potency. Luke O'Farrell will push hard for a place in that team as he was outstanding today on Michael Cahill (best corner back in the country in my opinion). Never have thought much of Niall McCarthy but he hit some brilliant scores today. They seem to have very few weaknesses, albeit Tipp weren't great today. One thing I would say, is that they have all there players available now and that it would be hard to maintain such a high level of performance through out an entire season.

I would have to row in with the consensus and say it's Kilkenny's to lose really.

You think '04, '07? Have to say I thought ye were very close and very unlucky in '06 (that was the day Cork won by 1 point in the semi' wasn't it?) Thought that team were close to their peak then.

Galway lost finals in '89 (de facto) , '90 '93, and '01 also. Weren't great in '05 v Cork, helped by bad sideline decisions from management. Were closest to Tipp in '10 but that doesn't mean they were a better team than KK that year. '97 is one that really rankles - had a good enough team that year going well but ran into a KK outfit that had the advantage of the back door; threw away a 9-point half-time lead, again not helped by wretched decision-making on the line by Cyril.

Daft and biased though it may sound, the reason I say KK have a tiny legacy of fear of Galway is the defeats in '01 and '05, plus they got enough of it for a long spell in '07 too. It may be KKs to lose, but no tyrant lasts forever - I would fancy Cork to really test them this year.

Mountainlad

MfMan wrote: »

You think '04, '07? Have to say I thought ye were very close and very unlucky in '06 (that was the day Cork won by 1 point in the semi' wasn't it?) Thought that team were close to their peak then.

Galway lost finals in '89 (de facto) , '90 '93, and '01 also. Weren't great in '05 v Cork, helped by bad sideline decisions from management. Were closest to Tipp in '10 but that doesn't mean they were a better team than KK that year. '97 is one that really rankles - had a good enough team that year going well but ran into a KK outfit that had the advantage of the back door; threw away a 9-point half-time lead, again not helped by wretched decision-making on the line by Cyril.

Daft and biased though it may sound, the reason I say KK have a tiny legacy of fear of Galway is the defeats in '01 and '05, plus they got enough of it for a long spell in '07 too. It may be KKs to lose, but no tyrant lasts forever - I would fancy Cork to really test them this year.

Yeah definetly. Cork didn't win the All-Ireland, and Limerick pushed them really close in 2006 as well. In 2004 we beat Cork with 14 men in one of the best Munster Finals ever, and if we had Mullane against Kilkenny we would have beaten them. We were playing the best hurling in the Country I felt in 2007 up until the all-ireland semi. I'm not saying we would have beaten Kilkenny, but I think we were better than we were in 2006.

Ok, my knowledge of Galway hurling isn't great I'd have to concede. I rerally don't see that Kilkenny would have any fear of the two of them. It's irrelevant anyway, unless you actually think Galway would beat Kilkenny which I can't see happening. Is it your way of saying you think Galway are better than Waterford now?

They could, they've looked really good in the league this year and have a well balanced team. Only thing is I don't see them getting any better whereas we all know Kilkenny will get much better as the season wears on.

redlead

MfMan wrote: »

Redlead, rightly or wrongly, they're ranked ahead of Waterford and Cork because they're a county that actually win AIs at some level in the recent past. That's what bookies look at, I'd say. KK (and all this is in MHO) fear Cork and would have a tiny smidgin more fear of Galway than they would have of Waterford. The Deise have actually under-achieved as much as anyone in the past 15 years; the best chance of an AI they had came in '06 when they just fell to Cork in the semi'. Other than that, zilch. Galway have definitely not punched their weight for many years now but at least when they reach an AI final, they can give a good account of themselves.

Well first of all, Galway haven't won any All Irelands at senior level in recent years. They have won more recently than Waterford but it's a long time ago now.

Secondly, neither Waterford nor Galway have a hope of winning an All Ireland this year. Anyone that suggests that either do have Deise or Maroon tinted sunglasses on. I am merely amused as to how Galway would be favourites to beat Waterford in a championship match. We have only had two encounters in recent years which we could judge but Waterford won both of them. Waterford have also made a semifinal every year bar one since 2004. Galway have been in one semi in that period if I am correct? In the four most recent championships under Davy, Waterford were only knocked out by the eventual All Ireland winners and the reason which we were knocked out is because those teams were better than us, simple as. We've shipped a few big defeats in that time unfortunately but Galway have nothing to be proud of in that regard either. We got hammered in the All Ireland final but at least we got there I suppose.

Anyway, despite the fact that I seem to be having a go at Galway, I don't mean any offence. I'm just fed up about hearing how they are better than us when year after year it is proved that they are not. Two bald men I know .....

Mountainlad

redlead wrote: »

Well first of all, Galway haven't won any All Irelands at senior level in recent years. They have won more recently than Waterford but it's a long time ago now.

Secondly, neither Waterford nor Galway have a hope of winning an All Ireland this year. Anyone that suggests that either do have Deise or Maroon tinted sunglasses on. I am merely amused as to how Galway would be favourites to beat Waterford in a championship match. We have only had two encounters in recent years which we could judge but Waterford won both of them. Waterford have also made a semifinal every year bar one since 2004. Galway have been in one semi in that period if I am correct? In the four most recent championships under Davy, Waterford were only knocked out by the eventual All Ireland winners and the reason which we were knocked out is because those teams were better than us, simple as. We've shipped a few big defeats in that time unfortunately but Galway have nothing to be proud of in that regard either. We got hammered in the All Ireland final but at least we got there I suppose.

Anyway, despite the fact that I seem to be having a go at Galway, I don't mean any offence. I'm just fed up about hearing how they are better than us when year after year it is proved that they are not. Two bald men I know .....

Couldn't agree more redlead...and not to forget our victory over Galway in the qualifiers in 2006.

premierstone

teednab-el wrote: »

It amazes me how people are automatically putting Tipp into the final against Kilkenny AGAIN. To me Tipperary are on a downward trend since Browne took over and the lack of a few quality forwards surely doesnt put Tipp into the driving seat. Tipp who still are a formidable force will be lucky to get out of Munster this year with Cork Clare Limerick and Waterford playing great stuff at the moment and it would be quite hard to call a winner of the Munster final.

Who is Browne??

Eoin Kelly, Noel McGrath, Bonner Maher, Seamie Callinan, Pa Bourke and Buggy O'Meara - there is no lack of quality forwards there.

Limerick and Waterford are playing great stuff at the moment, jaysus their doing a good job of keeping that under the radar!

The league is the league and has absolutely no bearing on the championship, the only concerns I have for Tipp is a serious lack of cover at the back and keeper in rapid decline.

MfMan

Mountainlad wrote: »

Couldn't agree more redlead...and not to forget our victory over Galway in the qualifiers in 2006.

Can we amalgamate? Create a west/south strategic alliance?

blue note

MfMan wrote: »

Can we amalgamate? Create a west/south strategic alliance?

Other than Joe Canning there's no-one we'd want.

Well actually, we'd take Aoibhinn Ní Shúilleabháin too.

Fireball07

premierstone wrote: »

Who is Browne??

Eoin Kelly, Noel McGrath, Bonner Maher, Seamie Callinan, Pa Bourke and Buggy O'Meara - there is no lack of quality forwards there.

Limerick and Waterford are playing great stuff at the moment, jaysus their doing a good job of keeping that under the radar!

The league is the league and has absolutely no bearing on the championship, the only concerns I have for Tipp is a serious lack of cover at the back and keeper in rapid decline.

While I wouldn't dream of writing off Tipp, I think the loss of Lar does hurt the potency of their forward line. They didn't look as likely to score goals as they would have if he was in the team. Obviously you still have some class forwards but Callinan has always been inconsistent and I haven't seen much of O'Meara but he still has to prove himself at intercounty level.

And I know there aren't many quality full-backs in the country, but when you have to move Maher back there, it's a massive loss to the half-back line.


And I assume he meant Ryan when he said Browne.

Mountainlad

premierstone wrote: »

Who is Browne??

Eoin Kelly, Noel McGrath, Bonner Maher, Seamie Callinan, Pa Bourke and Buggy O'Meara - there is no lack of quality forwards there.

Limerick and Waterford are playing great stuff at the moment, jaysus their doing a good job of keeping that under the radar!

The league is the league and has absolutely no bearing on the championship, the only concerns I have for Tipp is a serious lack of cover at the back and keeper in rapid decline.

Ah we're going great in training Mr Stone...:o

MfMan wrote: »

Can we amalgamate? Create a west/south strategic alliance?

How many other teams will we allow take part in this all-star squad?

Fireball07

I'm not really sure where to post this, but felt it should be commented on but Colin Fennelly was absolutely brilliant yesterday. Best player on the pitch by a good bit for me, his movement and awareness are class.

Red Crow

teednab-el wrote: »

Eli Manning wrote: »

Tipp

Tipperary are no where as good a side as they were in 2009 and 2010.

Eli Manning wrote: »

Galway

The most overrated team in the championship and in every championship. If they perform they can beat anyone but when they don't they can be humiliating. 4 All Irelands in the history books says enough really.

Eli Manning wrote: »

Dublin

I dont think so. They arent good enough to win All Ireland and if they got there, they would be destroyed by Kilkenny.

I don't agree at all. I think Cork are over rating themselves on the basis of a decentvleague. They have improved a good bit but they aren't going to trouble KK at all. Tipp have yet to come out in full force and on the evidence so far Tipp won't be in too much trouble come Championship day against the likes of Cork, Galway etc. I think they are still the second best in the country and are the only ones who will cause KK any trouble.

I don't see why everybody thinks Cork are going to be serious this year. The league is almost irrelevant in Hurling.

wrmwit

Eli Manning wrote: »

3/4 teams for me. Kilkenny, Tipp, Galway and Dublin. I only chose Galway because they are a very capable side.

Cork, Waterford etc just aren't good enough compared to Kilkenny.

So far this year there are no teams good enough compared to Kilkenny.

The talk of this years Championship will be who'll come second fiddle to KK.

Mountainlad

Eli Manning wrote: »

I don't agree at all. I think Cork are over rating themselves on the basis of a decentvleague. They have improved a good bit but they aren't going to trouble KK at all. Tipp have yet to come out in full force and on the evidence so far Tipp won't be in too much trouble come Championship day against the likes of Cork, Galway etc. I think they are still the second best in the country and are the only ones who will cause KK any trouble.

I don't see why everybody thinks Cork are going to be serious this year. The league is almost irrelevant in Hurling.

Where is this evidence?

calvin_zola

I think the league form won't count for much this year. Also I have blue tinted glasses on as always


Munster
QF- Limerick vs Tipperary (May 27th) Tipperary, v close game

SF- Clare vs Waterford (June 17th) close again, but I think while davy knows waterford, we also know davy, and the man hasn't a plan B, clare may be super fit, but I'd like to think our physical trainer Flanagan will have us ready for the game like he has been renowned for doing with Kerry footballers in the past..... I also think the layoff we have had since beating Dublin, will stand to us, a few challenges and the county championship has started, get the media building up Clare and we can go into the game with everything thinking Clare will pull off a shock, making us underdogs in a way.. i doubt the bookies will have it that way though... so waterford

SF- Cork vs Tipperary - Tipp, again, nice little renaissance going on in Cork, but people thinking their form in the league will count for a lot in the championship are wrong in my opinion, also Donal og is a massive loss.

F- Tipperary v Waterford, Tipp again, we will def shove it into them, but I stil can't see Tipp being bothered in Munster, their players are better, and the extra game v limerick will stand to them.

Leinster
PR- Westmeath vs Antrim (May 19th) antrim, the better team
PR- Carlow vs Laois (May 19th) carlow, I believe they are making great strides
QF- Dublin vs Carlow (June 2) dublin, but this will be a good game, carlow will fight till the end.
QF- Offaly vs Wexford (June 2) offaly
QF- Galway vs Antrim (June 3) galway, will blitz antrim
SF- Offaly vs Galway (June 16th) galway
SF- Kilkenny vs Dublin (June 23) Kilkenny, can't see them being bothered by dublin
Final- Kilkenny, still a major cut above the rest in Leinster


All Ireland Quarter Finals (2 Matches)
Waterford v Cork = I really hope we get to see this game this summer, I reckon it could be a cracker, def the propensity for a draw, but if it is played in Thurles like the last few quarters I can see waterford pulling through

Dublin v Galway = Dublin, they will be up for it after galway putting them down in the league, also i jsut don't think galway live up to the hype in the business end of the champonship anymore


All Ireland Semi Finals- KK vs Wat- (Aug 12th) KK, simple as, all i can hope for from a waterford point of few is that we run them even a bit closer than last August, maybe a draw the first day, but at the end of the day I can't see us beating them outright

Tipp vs Dub- (Aug 19th) Tipp, I think they are better than the dubs, and I don't think the dubs have improved massively from last year, while tipp have not disimproved after the loss of lar imo


All Ireland Final- Tipp, will have more players experienced on the field this year than KK had the last 3 years, think that could b the difference

Nonoperational

Eli Manning wrote: »

I don't agree at all. I think Cork are over rating themselves on the basis of a decentvleague. They have improved a good bit but they aren't going to trouble KK at all. Tipp have yet to come out in full force and on the evidence so far Tipp won't be in too much trouble come Championship day against the likes of Cork, Galway etc. I think they are still the second best in the country and are the only ones who will cause KK any trouble.

I don't see why everybody thinks Cork are going to be serious this year. The league is almost irrelevant in Hurling.

We are not overrating ourselves at all. The media are doing that. But anyway... Cork and Tipp is always going to be close. It wasn't long ago we hammered them in Pairc Ui Caoimh and last year there wasn't a whole lot in it either. Building on last year we have added possibly one of the most exciting young players in the country to the squad and he has scored 1-20 from play so far in 5 games and 10 minutes. Our full and centre backs are sorted with McDonald and Cadogan looking excellent, this was a problem area for us last year. UCC and CIT contested the Fitzgibbon final and players like William Egan have come on a huge amount. He's unrecognisable from last year. Pa Cronin was missing against Galway last year and he's a huge player for this team, and the bench is a huge lot stronger than last year.

We also have a proper management team in place and there's a big buzz in the camp. This shouldn't be underestimated.

Cork have come through some dark times but when things are going well there's no denying they're dangerous. It's very very unlikely we'll string it together enough to win an All Ireland this year, nobody is under any illusions about that. But on a going day we're a danger to any team.

teednab-el

premierstone wrote: »

teednab-el wrote: »

It amazes me how people are automatically putting Tipp into the final against Kilkenny AGAIN. To me Tipperary are on a downward trend since Browne took over and the lack of a few quality forwards surely doesnt put Tipp into the driving seat. Tipp who still are a formidable force will be lucky to get out of Munster this year with Cork Clare Limerick and Waterford playing great stuff at the moment and it would be quite hard to call a winner of the Munster final.

Who is Browne??

Eoin Kelly, Noel McGrath, Bonner Maher, Seamie Callinan, Pa Bourke and Buggy O'Meara - there is no lack of quality forwards there.

Limerick and Waterford are playing great stuff at the moment, jaysus their doing a good job of keeping that under the radar!

The league is the league and has absolutely no bearing on the championship, the only concerns I have for Tipp is a serious lack of cover at the back and keeper in rapid decline.

I meant Ryan. Tipperary have a nice selection of forwards but they are away off Kilkenny at the moment and as a Corkman I actually wouldn't fear Tipp at all. If anything I would fear Waterford more.

premierstone

teednab-el wrote: »

I meant Ryan. Tipperary have a nice selection of forwards but they are away off Kilkenny at the moment and as a Corkman I actually wouldn't fear Tipp at all. If anything I would fear Waterford more.

That makes no sense, Tipp despite last Sunday (and let us not forget they were actually winning that game with 15mins to go) had a much better league than Waterford and trounced Waterford last year in the Munster Final, what is your basis for fearing Waterford more than Tipp, I'm genuinely at a loss here??

redlead

premierstone wrote: »

That makes no sense, Tipp despite last Sunday (and let us not forget they were actually winning that game with 15mins to go) had a much better league than Waterford and trounced Waterford last year in the Munster Final, what is your basis for fearing Waterford more than Tipp, I'm genuinely at a loss here??

Tipp are better than Waterford, I don't think anyone denies that but for some reason Cork just find it harder to beat Waterford than Tipp. I don't know why but that's the way it is.