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Church teachings on sexuality irrelevant to %75

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    #32
    Galvasean
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    Because atheist and Catholic are the only two options? Pull the other one :rolleyes:


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    Zombrex
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    ISAW wrote: »
    You would have to propose a measure of what makes most people in irlend not catholis.

    While clearly you can disagree with some teachings of the Vatican and still be a Catholic (look at indulgences, slavery, limbo or Trinity College), I think a useful definition of a Catholic is a Christian who turns to the Vatican hierarchy for guidance on how to interpret Christian doctrine. If you are not doing this, if you are rejecting the Church's guidance and instead turning to something else, such a local non-Catholic spiritual leaders, your own interpretation of the Bible etc then it is difficult to see how one can be called a Catholic, since it is a rejection of the role of the Catholic hierarchy in Catholicism.

    Using this definition I would say very few Irish people are Catholics. They no longer are guided by the Pope or the Church in how they interpret scripture, Christianity, or the word of God. They take the notions they learnt growing up about Christianity and apply their own interpretations to them based on how they feel about them. So sex before marriage is fine, so is homosexuality, so is abortion etc.


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    recedite
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    MrPudding wrote: »
    Somebody mentioned boy scouts in another thread, it is a very poor analogy ....
    If the boy scouts claimed you forever and used your membership 20 years ago to try to claim a mandate and influence policy then it might be a fair analogy, but they don't, so it isn't.
    Boy scouts are not so dishonest, but if they were, would that make any difference to your actual and real membership status with them?
    ISAW wrote: »
    Im arguing from ignorance here but the ACP survey was on opinions of mostly non practicing catholics.
    No sympathy on this forum for arguments based on ignorance.
    30% who self-identified as catholic said they "attended mass in the last week".

    Heres a link to the original survey.

    What I find most bizarre about it is that nearly half the people surveyed thought that "more than 21% of Catholic priests are guilty of child abuse"....
    yet a large number of them are still happy to self-identify as members of the organisation :confused:
    The surveyors seemed to have asked the "priest child abuse" question to everybody (before asking them their religion).
    The survey does not disclose how many catholics believe the abuse figure to be so high, nor whether these are the ones not going to mass. That information would have been available to the Iona Institute though.


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