No Sitting Outside Library?

kkumk

So apparently there's no more sitting on the floor outside the library. It's a health and safety violation. But there's no concern over the 10 stands they have littered all over the floor to tell us this?! Also, how long do you reckon the woman in the high vis jacket will last standing there? They can hardly have the place guarded forever....

shofukan

Probably in case anyone bursts into flame while they're sitting eating a sandwich

OmegaRed10

I think its more to do with staff not being able to access the lift/get to their offices in the area. Cant imagine it lasting long though, will prob be forgotten again in September...

upandcumming

Its ****ing ridiculous. A woman in a hi-vis jacket standing there with a walkie-talkie. No money to buy books though. Health and safety?

OneOfThem Stumbled

It would be one thing if people are blocking the stairs or exits. This is just ffs territory (I can imagine how crowded it is going to be downstairs and in front of the library in a few weeks' time.. almost, one could say, crowded enough to be a health and safety issue)

ironclaw

I never ever understood why people sat there in the first place. It must be damn uncomfortable and noisy during busy periods. Given the entire size of UCD, I never will understand why hordes of people flock there to sit down. I've seen groups of 10 or more there at 8.20 in the morning.

kkumk

It's warm and it is comfortable and it's not like I'd sit there to write an essay, so noise isn't exactly an issue.

Chet T16

ironclaw wrote: »

I never ever understood why people sat there in the first place. It must be damn uncomfortable and noisy during busy periods. Given the entire size of UCD, I never will understand why hordes of people flock there to sit down. I've seen groups of 10 or more there at 8.20 in the morning.

That's just waiting to get in at 8.30, not really the same thing

GobBass

Wasn't this in the College TURBINE and not the College TRIBUNE?

beardedmaster

Nope, it's true.
The thing I find most hilarious is that the 9 metal poles with signs on them are much more a health & safety hazard than people sitting out of the way of any stairway/exit! :pac:

GobBass

Well then it will become as laughable as the no smoking sign outside Newman then.

RMD

It wont last. According to the signs the covered area outside Newman is also a non-smoking zone. Another shining example of well-enforced rules in UCD.

Tea-a-Maria

I am genuinely curious as to how they're going to enforce this at the weekends coming up to exams.Arts is closed and there's only so much seating downstairs..

kkumk

We should stage a sit-in.

RandolphEsq

The woman in the hi-vis vest should be positioned outside Newman to tell all those filthy smokers to fcuk off away from the doors!

kkumk

She has a clicker....... I'm so curious as to what she's counting... presumably people but whyyyy

stop

kkumk wrote: »

She has a clicker....... I'm so curious as to what she's counting... presumably people but whyyyy

Ask her!

RandolphEsq

kkumk wrote: »

She has a clicker....... I'm so curious as to what she's counting... presumably people but whyyyy

A new car built by a company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field (using the clicker to count this), A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, they don't do one.

upandcumming

RandolphEsq wrote: »

The woman in the hi-vis vest should be positioned outside Newman to tell all those filthy smokers to fcuk off away from the doors!

Awwww boooohoooo!

Muir

The no smoking signs outside Newman are only at the entrances into the building and cafe, I've always assumed them to mean people shouldn't smoke at the doors. I don't think they apply to that whole area.

spudington16

Muir wrote: »

The no smoking signs outside Newman are only at the entrances into the building and cafe, I've always assumed them to mean people shouldn't smoke at the doors. I don't think they apply to that whole area.

They do smoke at the doors anyway. And, with regards that whole area, according to the smoking ban legislation it is illegal to smoke there as it's covered (i.e. the roof) and has walls on three sides. I've emailed UCD before asking for clarification on the issue but heard nothing back.

WoollyRedHat

Anybody up for a sit-down protest tomorrow... with placards saying " We'll sit were we like! " and " Down with this sort of thing"?


Of course, we'll get somebody who comes along with a mispelt sign saying **** instead of sit, and we'll all laugh at them.

WoollyRedHat

spudington16 wrote: »

They do smoke at the doors anyway. And, with regards that whole area, according to the smoking ban legislation it is illegal to smoke there as it's covered (i.e. the roof) and has walls on three sides. I've emailed UCD before asking for clarification on the issue but heard nothing back.

Walls, schmalls.

GoldenTickets

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

" We'll sit were we like! "

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Of course, we'll get somebody who comes along with a mispelt sign ... and we'll all laugh at them.

:pac:

Meow_Meow

The college should be tackling the general problem of a lack of seating areas in the Newman building in general rather than bitching about where people have turned to as a result.

RandolphEsq

Amen, Meow Meow!

WoollyRedHat

GoldenTickets wrote: »

:pac:

I won't be responsible for making the signs... or be held accountable for an irony defect.

Econoline Van

Meow_Meow wrote: »

The college should be tackling the general problem of a lack of seating areas in the Newman building in general rather than bitching about where people have turned to as a result.

Absolutely. Serious lack of places to take a load off in the building. Which is silly, of course, considering the amount of people that use it and the size of it.

jan shyr

I never liked that people sit there so I welcome this. But someone in high-vis jacket guarding it is way over the top.

upandcumming

jan shyr wrote: »

I never liked that people sit there so I welcome this. But someone in high-vis jacket guarding it is way over the top.

What was your issue with it?

OmegaRed10

jan shyr wrote: »

I never liked that people sit there so I welcome this. But someone in high-vis jacket guarding it is way over the top.

Signs alone wouldnt stop anyone from sitting there tbf, you'd need someone there to jump on people who would sit down. Never had any problem with it myself though, its probably one of the busiest area on campus but has hardly any breakout space at all. Perhaps an idea would be to place some seating around the walls, using up the space while at the same time limiting the number of people that can sit around...would also mean that some poor person didnt have to stand around there all day long :pac:

HavingCrack

Meow_Meow wrote: »

The college should be tackling the general problem of a lack of seating areas in the Newman building in general rather than bitching about where people have turned to as a result.

Don't be silly, UCD doing something to help people, perish the thought. I'm convinced UCD administration/services exists solely to annoy the student population as much as is humanly possible.

RandolphEsq

HavingCrack wrote: »

Don't be silly, UCD doing something to help people, perish the thought. I'm convinced UCD administration/services exists solely to annoy the student population as much as is humanly possible.

It really is outrageous that there is a courtyard in the Newman building that has no covered seating. The whole area there should be covered seating. Also, the stone area between Tierney and Newman should be cleared of trees to make way for outdoor covered seating too.

HavingCrack

RandolphEsq wrote: »

It really is outrageous that there is a courtyard in the Newman building that has no covered seating. The whole area there should be covered seating. Also, the stone area between Tierney and Newman should be cleared of trees to make way for outdoor covered seating too.

That's a great idea. Most of the year it's warm enough to sit outside in Ireland if it wasn't for the rain. Covered seating would solve that problem straight away.

RandolphEsq

HavingCrack wrote: »

That's a great idea. Most of the year it's warm enough to sit outside in Ireland if it wasn't for the rain. Covered seating would solve that problem straight away.

I just want to sit down outside and not get wet!

Doug89

So I had it out with a librocop over it the other day.

You can complain about it here - http://www.ucd.ie/library/forms/library_suggestions_form/

The response I got back was gas.

Doug89

Dear Sir/Madam, I am commenting re the erection of signage outside of the entrance to the James Joyce library preventing students from sitting down while waiting on people/taking a break.

While it is outlined on the signs that this is due to health and safety concerns I really don't understand the logic or reasoning behind this as was explained to me by the librarian on duty, primarily as level one of the library is not a quiet zone, librarians converse with each other and with students.

Furthermore where is it proposed for students to take breaks from study, especially on days where no other buildings are open such as Sundays or the upcoming Bank Holiday Monday? We can't eat in the library, seating in the Student's Union area downstairs is incredibly limited, while sitting outside by the lake can only be done under favourable weather conditions.

Why was it necessary to position staff outside the library in hi-vis jackets moving people, when the library is subject to such drastic cut backs?

Finally, while removing me from the area, I felt the attitude of the member of security staff to be very unprofessional and condescending, which quite frankly is unacceptable.

I look forward to your response, Yours, *doug89*, Undergraduate, 12/4/12

Dear *doug89*, Thank you for your enquiry.

The main problem that we have in this area is that it is essentially a corridor not a seating area. From this lobby there are two staircases, two lift lobbies, the library entrance, the tunnel, the staff exit and the disability unit corridor. During busy periods approx 1300-1500 people pass through the lobby per hour and we have to ensure that they can move around safely and without any danger of falling over, tripping etc.Our remit is to keep everyone safe and this includes disabled people who may be in wheelchairs or have sight impairments.

The volume of students now sitting on the floor has become untenable. It has also become the norm for students to sit in front of lift doors, access doors, fire doors etc. This is not allowed anywhere on campus. I think most people in any public space such as a shopping centre would realise not to sit in front of such areas and yet for some reason students are doing it in the lobby all the time.

The secondary problem is noise. The noise has been monitored and has reached unacceptable levels for staff having to work on Level 1. The acoustics of the area do not help the situation but the noise is not only very difficult at the admissions desk but travels into people’s offices.Some students do not moderate their voices and even shout or call to one another in very loud ways.

We have re directed staff to this project as we feel that it cannot continue but other work is suffering.We take this very seriously, we have a duty of care to ensure that the University is safe and that access is easy for all users.

Lastly I do appreciate the need for students to have spaces to relax and converse and we have fed this back to University. There is a shortage of break out spaces and this has been discussed.

I apologise if any member of staff did not deal with you respectfully - we aim at all times to be helpful

Kindest regards, *********, Library Services Officer, 12/4/12

ironclaw

Completely reasonable response in my book. It is a corridor, not a meeting area. While the method employed to move students is probably not the best, it's certainly more than justifiable. It's like people having the chats in the middle of thoroughfares in the likes of Dundrum Shopping Centre etc.

stop

Doug89 wrote: »

Furthermore where is it proposed for students to take breaks from study, especially on days where no other buildings are open such as Sundays or the upcoming Bank Holiday Monday? We can't eat in the library, seating in the Student's Union area downstairs is incredibly limited, while sitting outside by the lake can only be done under favourable weather conditions.

5th floor of library building can be used as well, although you have to keep the noise down when there.

Econoline Van

Doug89 wrote: »

The response I got back was gas.

If by "gas" you mean completely reasonable, helpful, respectful and informative. Fair play to Monica Glynn.

juan.kerr

Econoline Van wrote: »

If by "gas" you mean completely reasonable, helpful, respectful and informative. Fair play to Monica Glynn.

Indeed.

Also it is quite unfair of the poster to include her name. He wasn't so quick to leave his own name unredacted. I wonder did he ask permission to post it on a public forum?

Doug89

My name's Laura.

It's already on in the public domain - http://ucdlib-suggestions.blogspot.com as posted by UCD Library.

I say gas due to the fact that, in my opinion, this whole thing just smacks of UCD not really caring about students. Why handle it like this? Why not try ANYTHING else first? Why not try and work with students as opposed to against them? We're not children.

Why not put in a limited number of benches and bins, alongside signs asking for noise to be kept at a reasonable level, similarly to the 5th floor as mentioned above?

It just galls me that right now, when the most students are using the library coming up to the exams, there's nowhere to take a bloody break. I was in JJ yesterday evening, took a break around 7pm, not a single seat down by the SU shop, every other building closed.

juan.kerr wrote: »

Indeed.

Also it is quite unfair of the poster to include her name. He wasn't so quick to leave his own name unredacted. I wonder did he ask permission to post it on a public forum?

Ruski

Doug89 wrote: »

Why not put in a limited number of benches and bins, alongside signs asking for noise to be kept at a reasonable level, similarly to the 5th floor as mentioned above?

It's actually a pretty decent place to put a bench too. Unless UCD can't afford those either. People in hi-vis jackets are apparently cheaper.

Laserhead

A bench would actually solve the problem, stopping whole groups of people from trying to squeeze into the area and blocking doors/lifts etc. Nobody wants to sit on the floor staring at their friends knees... (Citation Needed?)

Iwasfrozen

RandolphEsq wrote: »

It really is outrageous that there is a courtyard in the Newman building that has no covered seating. The whole area there should be covered seating. Also, the stone area between Tierney and Newman should be cleared of trees to make way for outdoor covered seating too.

NO.

Doug89

I notice today that everyone's just sitting on the ground on the SU level.

stop

Doug89 wrote: »

I notice today that everyone's just sitting on the ground on the SU level.

When the rest of campus is available?

upandcumming

stop wrote: »

When the rest of campus is available?

Ah yes, I'll go all the way to Roebuck to sit down so I can each my lunch on a break from the library.

Chucky the tree

If you're not smart enough to find somewhere to sit during the day in UCD that is within 5 minutes(very maximum) of the library then you might as well pack in college. Chances are it will be beyond you.

upandcumming

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If you're not smart enough to find somewhere to sit during the day in UCD that is within 5 minutes(very maximum) of the library then you might as well pack in college. Chances are it will be beyond you.

I agree I'm just saying that the whole campus isn't an option when you're spending the day in the library.

Mycroft H

upandcumming wrote: »

I agree I'm just saying that the whole campus isn't an option when you're spending the day in the library.

I'm just going to walk outside the library and sit by the lake. Or if the weather is unpleasant I'll sit outside the SU shop or over in arts. I fail to see how they're not options.