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"Liberal" Priest under investigation by Vatican

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  • #62
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    marty1985 wrote: »
    If priests were allowed to marry, would they have abused children? I'm not sure about this one. There could be numerous causes for child sex abuse. It should be noted that incidents of sexual abuse are a breach of the Church's discipline, not a result of it. If someone breaks rules, is it fair to say the rules should be abolished, or even that the rule caused it? Contrary to conventional wisdom there is no data supporting a higher rate of child-oriented sexual activity among the unmarried Catholic clergy than that of the married clergy of other denominations or of schoolteachers. My own feeling is that abuse often occurs in positions of access to children with trust already in place. The majority of child sex abuse occurs within families. The idea that the church was a haven for pedophiles because That's Where Perverts Went To Hide From Society is baseless and grounded less in any empirical data than it is in anti-clerical stereotypes of Catholic perversion that have existed for centuries.

    True. No more than all parents are paedophiles. But it is food for thought.


  • #63
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Nodin wrote: »
    "now"? You seem to forget the clear out JP had, with the current pope being his point man.

    I wouldn't disagree with that essentially. And you are correct about the point man. But action has to be taken. And soon.


  • #64
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    The way forward is Christ and his Church.

    Somehow I don't think Christ had this type of Church in mind when He founded it.


  • #65
    marty1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭marty1985


    Seachmall wrote: »
    "Liberal" and "Conservative" are terms independent of politics, they're social terms that often have cross over in politics and, in this case, religion. Granted they are most associated with politics but they're just as suited for use with religion, or anything else for that matter.

    To clarify my position on that: the liberal/conservative (political) grid is moderately useful for sorting out some issues and players within the church post Vatican II, but the use of this as a one-size-fits-all template in relation to ancient and complex religious institutions is implausible and distorting. I don't say the Dalai Lama is a liberal or conservative Buddhist, and I have studied up on Buddhism a lot, because I understand these are the wrong categories through which to grasp the nature of a venerable, subtle and richly textured religious tradition. Putting everything in a liberal/conservative (for Boardsies, this reads good/bad) framework only creates misunderstanding.


  • #66
    F12
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭F12


    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    So what do you do when they initiate Vatican III? The Church can change, and has done in the past. It's just been quite resistant to change of late, despite plummeting numbers attending mass (in the west) and all the scandals.


    Life is simple: change or die. If death is more important to them than reality, then let reality take its course, which it will anyway. There's more and worse to come, including stuff about the bones of hundreds if not thousands of infants, apparently nuns' children, turning up in the grounds of convents around the country, especially where they used to have lime kilns nearby.


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