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Season 2 - Episode 2 **Have NOT Read The Books / No Spoilers Included**
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She was never intended to be that. From her very introduction (being literally stripped bare and sold off by her brother) she's been a very sympathetic character. In no way was she meant to be portrayed as evil, and it's very clear she's the one who is truly born to the throne, both in lineage and in aptitude, she's a natural leader and genuinely cares for her subjects.
On another note, it's been very easy to follow the story without the books. I've checked out the map and interactive glossaries on HBO.com, but that's only because I want to know even more about the world.
Think youve Dany & Cersei mixed up there
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Think youve Dany & Cersei mixed up there
I read that as Khaleesi for some reason..!
Cersei, though, is ruthless but not tyrannical. She wasn't willing to kill Nedd or indiscriminately murder children to kill potential heirs. She talks a tougher game than she's actually willing to act out. Her heart-to-heart (if you can call it that) with the King last season illuminated her the most, she was trapped into a political marriage with someone still in love with his dead wife and tried to make it work while all he did was drink, hunt and quite publically screw half the whores in King's Landing. It's going to be a bag of fun watching her, Joffery and Tyrion interact this season.0 -
Think youve Dany & Cersei mixed up there
Easy to do as Cersie is what could become of Dany if she gives in to bitterness and a desire for revenge.
all the characters have a counterpoint and watching how they decide which way to go is what makes it so absorbing. That and the gratuitous nudity 0 -
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what gratuitous nudity, don't think we've since even a nipple outside of the whore house this season, and TBH i don't see any reason for deany to be getting naked this season, hope I'm wrong thoughEasy to do as Cersie is what could become of Dany if she gives in to bitterness and a desire for revenge.
all the characters have a counterpoint and watching how they decide which way to go is what makes it so absorbing. That and the gratuitous nudity0 -
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Just wait til we get to quart and she wears the traditional dress, no that'll be gratuitous bewbage
what gratuitous nudity, don't think we've since even a nipple outside of the whore house this season, and TBH i don't see any reason for deany to be getting naked this season, hope I'm wrong thoughEasy to do as Cersie is what could become of Dany if she gives in to bitterness and a desire for revenge.
all the characters have a counterpoint and watching how they decide which way to go is what makes it so absorbing. That and the gratuitous nudity 0 -
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Tzar Chasm wrote: »Just wait til we get to quart and she wears the traditional dress, no that'll be gratuitous bewbage
Not happening. They've 'adjusted' the fashion. Bastids, I was hoping it might catch on and start a craze!0 -
Bugger I was looking forward to thats.welstead wrote: »Tzar Chasm wrote: »Just wait til we get to quart and she wears the traditional dress, no that'll be gratuitous bewbage
Not happening. They've 'adjusted' the fashion. Bastids, I was hoping it might catch on and start a craze!
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I have to be honest though - it would be nice if the open sexuality in this show wasn't so bloody crass sometimes, or the script didn't feel the need to punctuate scenes with some rough / slummy sex scenes. The one in the brothel was particularly needles.
Yea.
Worst episode ever to watch in my parents' house having convinced them that "this series is actually brilliant; not childish at all."
Que the...
"I see what you mean."
And the eyebrows. And baffled sighing.
Woops!
Also, not appropriate viewing with a sibling...0 -
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OctavarIan wrote: »Yeah that was a bit over the top, I mean where did they think they were? In a whorehouse or something?
That entire scene was in no way crass or over the top, and it was a hugely telling insight into the kind of man Littlefinger is.
Even Theon's romping on the boat was necessary because it set up his hilarious interaction with Asha later in the episode.
Littlefinger's speech, with its veiled threats, was the meat of that scene not the sex, or the trashy semen-wipe. Theon hitting up his sister didn't need the preamble of him fcuking some random ship-wench; the mistaken grope worked effectively on its own merits.
In fairness the show has not shirked from showing sex in a very rustic light and in some respects deserves praise for being so unabashed (plus I believe is only taking its cue from the novels); I would simply ask the fairly legitimate question of whether its needed in as many scenes as it turns up in. If it there's for shock value, then continual use only lessens the shock. I don't think it's there for allegorical purposes, and if it's simply arbitrarily present for the sake of it, then Martin's a sex-craved old perv
That all said, on a purely technical level it does make me wonder how on earth the actors film those kind of scenes. With nothing left to the imagination & no camera tricks available to hide things, it must be hard to ... well... not be.0 -
Littlefinger's speech, with its veiled threats, was the meat of that scene not the sex, or the trashy semen-wipe. Theon hitting up his sister didn't need the preamble of him fcuking some random ship-wench; the mistaken grope worked effectively on its own merits.
In fairness the show has not shirked from showing sex in a very rustic light and in some respects deserves praise for being so unabashed (plus I believe is only taking its cue from the novels); I would simply ask the fairly legitimate question of whether its needed in as many scenes as it turns up in. If it there's for shock value, then continual use only lessens the shock. I don't think it's there for allegorical purposes, and if it's simply arbitrarily present for the sake of it, then Martin's a sex-craved old perv
That all said, on a purely technical level it does make me wonder how on earth the actors film those kind of scenes. With nothing left to the imagination & no camera tricks available to hide things, it must be hard to ... well... not be.
Actions speak louder than words. Same reason they actually showed the city guard going around killing off suspected Robert bastards. Showing the conditions of the women that Littlefinger exploits makes him seem even colder. The books have never held back on describing the darker parts of the characters and the world, and lust/sex is the second biggest instigator of events, second to only the iron throne. It's a means to power, so it needs to be shown.
Theon with the girl on the boat was him in full 'heir' mode, having what or who he wants and expecting them to comply and even enjoy it. It showed him exploiting his false sense of power, giving him even further to fall once he meets his father and sister. Having him just arrive normally on Pyke and start viciously groping the first girl he meets would have been too jarring.
The only sex scene I've had a problem with was the Melisandre/Stannis one, and that was purely because of the bad acting on Stannis' part. He's the one actor who has not hit his stride yet.
On another note, Davos (Liam Cunningham) has been amazing so far, and not just because he's a Dublin man :pac:
[edit]Martin is definitely a bit sex-crazed, some of the descriptions in the books are mental.0 -
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