Jessie J - how did she get so important?

NIMAN

Ok so I know she had a smash hit single that was played so much we all wanted to throw the radio out the window, but as far as I can recall, thats all she had.

Her album was well reviewed, but again, so what? Many people have had well reviewed albums.

I'm not into that type of music but I don't remember a 2nd smash hit single, or a 3rd ..... many artists have had many hits.

Then I see her on the Hootenany, and now she apparently has the power to decide who has a great voice on The Voice UK (and she is annoying as hell on it).

So did I miss something? Or was she just in the right place at the right time?

Da Shins Kelly

Well, it probably was a little bit of a case of 'right place at the right time'. It usually is for most pop stars. That said, she is genuinely a very good singer, and from what I've read and heard about her, she's plugged away at it, writing her own material and had a lot of missed opportunities due to being in a serious accident a few years back. Not a huge fan of her music, but I've some respect for her and what she's been through. She's a hard worker, by all accounts.

As far as The Voice goes, well yer man from The Script is on that too. Whatever about Jessie J, I think it's worth asking how they ever got so important. At least Jessie J can write a somewhat catchy tune.

cloptrop

She has a hot ass in them catsuits. You cant dispute that.

sweetie

see 'cheryl cole' and 'tulisa cantsingfor****e' for similar.

it wrecks my head - she's sold 1.2 million albums and is picked by (at least one) contestants ahead of a living legend, a successful worldwide band's lead singer and probably the biggest writer/producer/group in the world right now.

karaokeman

She's not bad, I would rather hear about her than Britney, Nikki Manaj, GaGa or any other mediocre at best pop stars any day.

It just remains to be seen how relevant she will be a year, two years or even six months down the line. Price Tag was a huge pop hit but will it stay with people once she goes off the scene? A good pop song will mean volumes to thousands of people, I'm sure many people back in the 90s thought Robbie Williams would crash and burn but Angels has stayed with us since and is one of the most covered songs of the last 20 years.

In Jessie J's case its too early to say, is she already packing out arenas?

NIMAN

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Well, it probably was a little bit of a case of 'right place at the right time'. It usually is for most pop stars. That said, she is genuinely a very good singer, and from what I've read and heard about her, she's plugged away at it, writing her own material and had a lot of missed opportunities due to being in a serious accident a few years back. Not a huge fan of her music, but I've some respect for her and what she's been through. She's a hard worker, by all accounts.

As far as The Voice goes, well yer man from The Script is on that too. Whatever about Jessie J, I think it's worth asking how they ever got so important. At least Jessie J can write a somewhat catchy tune.

I knew people would throw the 'guy from the Script' back at me.

I agree with you, don't like them either. But at least they have had more than 1 hit single.

As for you saying she can write a somewhat catchy tune, we are still waiting on the 2nd catchy tune.

Sl!mCharles

She didn't. Come on now.

MistyCheese

I would say Jessie J's position on The Voice has more to do with her being "current" and "relevant" and "now" as opposed to her musical ability.

DarkJager

NIMAN wrote: »

Ok so I know she had a smash hit single that was played so much we all wanted to throw the radio out the window, but as far as I can recall, thats all she had.

Her album was well reviewed, but again, so what? Many people have had well reviewed albums.

I'm not into that type of music but I don't remember a 2nd smash hit single, or a 3rd ..... many artists have had many hits.

Then I see her on the Hootenany, and now she apparently has the power to decide who has a great voice on The Voice UK (and she is annoying as hell on it).

So did I miss something? Or was she just in the right place at the right time?

I don't understand it either to be honest. Her music is bland, lets be honest about it. A tune of hers could come on any radio station and I wouldn't have a clue who it is unless the presenter gives the name of it. Her pious attitude for being a tee-totaller is nauseating (like when she played at the trinity ball and was shocked to see drunk students there ). My only reasoning behind her success is as shown by the likes of One Direction; the media now tells this generation what they like.

jaffacakesyum

I don't really understand it either and I'm not a music snob. I can understand why artists like Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera were successful. Sure I like chart music as much as the next (in addition to 'good' music though, don't worry :P)

But I honestly don't think she has very good pop tunes. She can sing, but she hasn't got a very interesting voice. She's also quite annoying in interviews that I've seen.

Really don't get it!

Da Shins Kelly

NIMAN wrote: »

I knew people would throw the 'guy from the Script' back at me.

I agree with you, don't like them either. But at least they have had more than 1 hit single.

As for you saying she can write a somewhat catchy tune, we are still waiting on the 2nd catchy tune.

They've had more than one single, but they're all ****e. Pretty sure Jessie J has had more than one song too. I've definitely heard at least two on the radio.

NIMAN

For me, she's in the same league as that Perry girl, and she has released about 8 hit singles.

That versus Jessie J's one (or two if you listen to some people).

I think she is doing stuff like The Voice UK now to cash in on her popularity before the world finds out she's a fad and she becomes yesterdays news.

She's a One Hit wonder who is milking it for all that its worth.

MiissTL

God I'd love to know how old ye all are....

:rolleyes:

KKkitty

The Script just had the same story behind every song to me. Jessie J has had Price Tag, Look at me now and domino as singles and she does have a outstanding voice. She can diversify her voice which not a lot of artists can do.

NIMAN

OK, can I just add another comment, I don't like the Script either!

But for me they have done more than Jessie J. She has has a massive hit single and now is held up as some sort of genius.

And as for some of the comments, age is irrelevant to this argument. Maybe a 'toung music fan' can tell me what exactly she has done to warrant such hype?

livinsane

I've liked pretty much all her singles. Can't see any reason to dislike her.

Radharc na Sleibhte

I actually hate her.
I thought price tag was a great pop song, but in my opinion, her album was rubbish and then, when I saw more and more of her personality and demeanour, I grew to actually really, really despise her that I cannot bear to even look at her.

NIMAN

livinsane wrote: »

I've liked pretty much all her singles. Can't see any reason to dislike her.

Not so much questioning her actual music, as music is subjective and what I like many might not.

I was originally asking how did she manage to get some famous, so influential, a judge on The Voice UK etc, all based on what was basically a one hit wonder.

windingo

Jessie J has become a big selling artist in the past year. However don't think she should be on The Voice. I just don't think she has the experience that the others might have.

flyswatter

I wouldn't say she's an "important" artist at all.

Important music acts are few and far between (The Beatles, Zeppelin, Joy Division, James Brown etc.)

Ash.J.Williams

NIMAN wrote: »

I knew people would throw the 'guy from the Script' back at me.

I agree with you, don't like them either. But at least they have had more than 1 hit single.

As for you saying she can write a somewhat catchy tune, we are still waiting on the 2nd catchy tune.

Jessie can sing and the guy from the script actually cannot (outside of a studio)

NIMAN

My ma can sing, doesn't make her 'star' material.

Ash.J.Williams

NIMAN wrote: »

My ma can sing, doesn't make her 'star' material.

it does actually

SilverScreen

NIMAN wrote: »

Not so much questioning her actual music, as music is subjective and what I like many might not.

I was originally asking how did she manage to get some famous, so influential, a judge on The Voice UK etc, all based on what was basically a one hit wonder.

Money obviously, and looks. She obviously has a big major label backing behind her to maximise her otherwise limited talent and market her as a product to fans of commercial music. Unfortunatly in most cases these days money buys fame, not talent.

Also I don't see how she's influential. Name one artist that's been influenced by her.

NIMAN

Zero1986 wrote: »

Money obviously, and looks. She obviously has a big major label backing behind her to maximise her otherwise limited talent and market her as a product to fans of commercial music. Unfortunatly in most cases these days money buys fame, not talent.

Also I don't see how she's influential. Name one artist that's been influenced by her.

She may not influence other artists, but she has influence. Just look at her on The Voice UK. She can have the power to decide if someone had a music career or not. A lot of people choose her as a mentor as if she's the biggest thing in music, when she's had 1 or 2 hits.

jaffacakesyum

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Jessie can sing and the guy from the script actually cannot (outside of a studio)

While not a huge fan of The Script, they are a decent band and yer man can sing outside of the studio. I saw them live twice (once at Oxegen and once supporting U2). Granted, I was very drunk for at least one of those shows but I thought he could sing live.

I don't get why The Script get so much hate Typical Irish begrudgery IMO. If they weren't Irish, they wouldn't be getting so much hate.

Again, this comes from someone who doesn't particularly like their music, but they have a good few popular songs and hit album.

karaokeman

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

While not a huge fan of The Script, they are a decent band and yer man can sing outside of the studio. I saw them live twice (once at Oxegen and once supporting U2). Granted, I was very drunk for at least one of those shows but I thought he could sing live.

I saw them at Oxegen last year and supporting U2 in Croker. Thought Danny sang well in Croker but not so much at Oxegen, I suppose it must have been the extensive touring before they last appeared at Oxegen that took its toll on his voice.

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

I don't get why The Script get so much hate Typical Irish begrudgery IMO. If they weren't Irish, they wouldn't be getting so much hate.

I don't get all the hate either. It just seems to be typical of music snobbery that nowadays people who listen to mainstream music are looked down upon. Quite frankly I think its bulls*** I listen to mainstream music AND non-mainstream music. Ffs liking one popular/commercial band doesn't make you a "non music fan", its childs play at best either way for the music snobs.

SilverScreen

NIMAN wrote: »

She may not influence other artists, but she has influence. Just look at her on The Voice UK. She can have the power to decide if someone had a music career or not. A lot of people choose her as a mentor as if she's the biggest thing in music, when she's had 1 or 2 hits.

So basically because she's a judge on some karaoke contest you think she is somehow influential? I think that sums up this thread, I'm out.

I still don't see how she's important in a musical sense.

NIMAN

Cheerio then!

livinsane

I would not have thought that she was influential in any way.

I think that the reason she is being used by shows like the X Factor and The Voice is that she has got the personality, image and "spunkiness" that is required for an entertainment show.

Sl!mCharles

Being given a spot on a judges' panel doesn't make her more 'important' or more influential on an artistic level.

She is obviously a pop star with status but so far her hits have been largely generic tunes that could be slapped onto a Katy Perry/Lady Gaga/etc album

cgpg5

Living off one song for the moment, I can't see her doing anything beyond this album tbh.

Incredibly overrated, I reckon give her a few months off the scene working on her next album, and she'll be forgotten about. Can't see her being a commercial success in the future in all honesty.

Radharc na Sleibhte

Sl!mCharles wrote: »

but so far her hits have been largely generic tunes that could be slapped onto a Katy Perry/Lady Gaga album

She fukkin wishes...!!!!

saa

Sl!mCharles wrote: »

Being given a spot on a judges' panel doesn't make her more 'important' or more influential on an artistic level.

She is obviously a pop star with status but so far her hits have been largely generic tunes that could be slapped onto a Katy Perry/Lady Gaga/etc album

I agree there is nothing legendary about her or her music she is on that show because shes popular at the moment which means more ratings thats simple enough but she's not generic in the sense that she's the same as those other pop acts, not that I have much of a vested interested in chart music but Lady Gaga and Katy Perry will be remembered as majour pop acts of this time in the future which doesn't make them important to music just to pop alone and all that means is in ten years time their song that will be remembered the most will be played ironically at a party, not so much with Jessie J as she is just "the UK's answer to" those kinds of pop stars.

BostonB

Jessie J - how did she get so important? - shes not. NOT to me anyway.

NIMAN wrote: »

...So did I miss something? Or was she just in the
right place at the right time?

Define important? Popular, sales, musical ability what? Of all the acts you hear about today, in 10 yrs the kids won't know who 99% of them are.

That said I like Jessie J few songs I know and she can sing well. But ultimately what's popular doesn't have to be important. A lot of the biggest selling acts in the world have done nothing musically or culturally important, or genre redefining. Its just entertainment.

BostonB

saa wrote: »

.... Lady Gaga and Katy Perry...

I doubt it. Nothing defining about the music of these artists either.

Consider in the past you had artists which launched whole sub cultures especially in fashion, or neither of these have managed this. Never mind define a new genre of music or anything.

The popular media these day has promoted the cult of celebrity for simply being famous, rather than any thing significant and enduring.

Ash.J.Williams

If you are wondering why Jessie J is so important then you are old....
Music is finished. You will never see another seminal band in the media, they are out there, but they are seen as the enemy by the music business. Simon Cowell has won in a sense that his ilk have flooded the market with bland marketable crap to the extent that kids don't know any better and believe that this is the real deal.
Indeed maybe one direction are the new Beatles!:eek:

3hn2givr7mx1sc

MiissTL wrote: »

God I'd love to know how old ye all are....

:rolleyes:

I'm 17 and I think she's shít.

Rastapitts

the usual i like kissing girls got her famous

BostonB

Rastapitts wrote: »

the usual i like kissing girls got her famous

...works for me...

SilverScreen

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

If you are wondering why Jessie J is so important then you are old....
Music is finished. You will never see another seminal band in the media, they are out there, but they are seen as the enemy by the music business. Simon Cowell has won in a sense that his ilk have flooded the market with bland marketable crap to the extent that kids don't know any better and believe that this is the real deal.
Indeed maybe one direction are the new Beatles!:eek:

If you define 'old' as over the age of 13 then I guess we're old. I don't see what age has to do with it, all you need is a decent grasp on music to see that she is in no way important in a music sense.

Music is far from dead, music is alive and kicking. It may be dead as far as commercially-inclined music is concerned but the underground is thriving. Who cares what's flooding the market it means nothing at the end of the day.

If you wanted to find new music that's inventive and full of meaning would you look to what EMI or Sony have cashed in on or would you look to the underground instead? I know what I'd choose.

NIMAN

BostonB wrote: »

Jessie J - how did she get so important? - shes not. NOT to me anyway.



Define important? Popular, sales, musical ability what? Of all the acts you hear about today, in 10 yrs the kids won't know who 99% of them are.

That said I like Jessie J few songs I know and she can sing well. But ultimately what's popular doesn't have to be important. A lot of the biggest selling acts in the world have done nothing musically or culturally important, or genre redefining. Its just entertainment.

Not going to go over stuff I've said a few times already.

adox

Shes not really my cup of tea but I must say I did love this youtube video that was up just before she "broke" :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TswOLHUQFPk

BostonB

NIMAN wrote: »

Not going to go over stuff I've said a few times already.

You haven't actually haven't explained anything tbh. You're only point seems to be, because you don't rate her, shes not important to be a judge on some banal cult of celebrity TV show. These reality TV shows, are scripted to be sensationalist, and with sole aim of making money. Its got nothing to do with music, they exist simply to a fast buck with minimum of effort. As such they could put, sponge bob up there as a judge. In the end you get out of it what they put in. Which is almost zero. To ask about musical credentials on a show like this, is to imply music credibility it hasn't got.

NIMAN

Go back and read the opening post, I think that kinda sums up what I'm hinting at.

The fact that she seems to be getting a lot of attention, carries a lot of sway and importance to be considered as a judge on a major new TV show, when she is technically a One Hit wonder.

There's not a day that she's not in the papers.
Here's another example
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/celebrity-news-gossip/jessie-j-lost-for-words-after-man-dies-following-concert-attack-3074873.html

Basically it was a star studded bash with several performers, but for some reason we should care that Jessie J was saddened? More so than any of the others at the bash?

Anyway, this argument is going in circles. Roll on 2013 or 2014 when, if there's any justice, it will be "Jessie who?"

BostonB

Basically you don't like her. TV and popular media is overflowing with minor celebs, and one hit wonders, and people famous for being famous. This is old news.

Namlub

MiissTL wrote: »

God I'd love to know how old ye all are....

:rolleyes:

18. I don't like her. Is there a connection between those two things?

AnimalCracker

I dont like her either... Just another X Factor type singer..

karaokeman

MiissTL wrote: »

God I'd love to know how old ye all are....

:rolleyes:

20 why???

BostonB

Perhaps younger people might think its something newsworthy. Older people will have seen hundreds of Jessie J's along the way. Some people may be less begrudging of someone having their moment in the sun.

NIMAN

healthbadger wrote: »

She seems to have become a sensation over the past year, but i'm not sure why. She definitely doesn't have the experience to be a coach on The Voice don't know why anybody picks her! Her songs aren't really any different from anybody elses these days so don't understand how she has become so popular!

Thanks, that basically is a summary of what I've been saying from Post#1.

Glad others agree.