World Cup Night - Meydan

Nulty · 28-03-2012 2:25pm #1

A lot of people criticize this meeting but even not having bet its great to watch horses from the four corners of the earth competing for the richest races in the world. Japanese, Saouth African, British, Irish, French, American, Australian, Hong Kong... its the most international card in the calendar.

I'd love to write out a preview but I just don't have the time.

I do like Barbican in the Gold Cup and Monterosso in the World Cup and Sole Power in the Al Quoz. They might be my only (minimal) financial interest.

So You Think ridden by Joseph and from stall 4. All eyes will be fixed on those two I imagine...

tryfix · 28-03-2012 3:53pm

I'm really looking forward to the Dubai Sheema Classic, St Nicholas Abbey taking on Cirrus Des Aigles, with Treasure Beach probably being used to give St Nick a lead to the line. IMO Cirrus Des Aigles is over-rated, his win in the Champion Stakes at Ascot was one of the most over-rated performances I have ever seen. I don't think he deserved to be the third top rated horse in the world last year.

If he was as good as they rated him, he'd take on So You Think and co over his proper trip of 10f instead of going for this 12f.

newuser89 · 28-03-2012 9:26pm

I think treasure beach was sold
50 percent of him is owned by fame and glorys owners I think it is
So doubt he's just a pacemaker

tryfix · 28-03-2012 10:01pm

newuser89 wrote: »

I think treasure beach was sold
50 percent of him is owned by fame and glorys owners I think it is
So doubt he's just a pacemaker

Cape Blanco was in the same ownership last year and was used as a pacemaker for Canford Cliffs in the Queen Anne Stakes at Ascot. It caused a lot of consternation at the time, people were up in Arms about running a Derby winner as a pacemaker. It did him no harm as he went on to win three GP1s in North America afterwards.

Treasure Beach seemed to be used as pacemaker for Seville in the Grand Prix De Paris and definitely was for So You Think and St Nicholas Abbey in the Arc. William Haggis has the unbeaten Beaten Up in the race, an interesting horse but I reckon he'll be beaten up by these superstars.

newuser89 · 29-03-2012 6:43am

They only bought a share in treasure beach in the last few weeks
That's why I taught he wouldn't be pacemaker
Why buy a horse to be a pacemaker in one of the biggest races in the world when he is capable of competing

tryfix · 29-03-2012 7:31am

newuser89 wrote: »

They only bought a share in treasure beach in the last few weeks
That's why I taught he wouldn't be pacemaker
Why buy a horse to be a pacemaker in one of the biggest races in the world when he is capable of competing

They've a strange arrangement with Coolmore, it's a partnership. Treasure Beach on a good day is capable of winning this on his own, he's a very good horse but Coolmore have team tactics and if they think that St Nick is their number one horse in the race, they'll use Treasure Beach to set the race up for him.

It's just my opinion, like everyone else I get it wrong most of the time.

newuser89 · 29-03-2012 8:52am

Just like myself hah
I don't like pacemakers at all
Just let the race be run with all horses going for the win

sting60 · 29-03-2012 9:18am

As far as I know Fitri Hay is a new partner at coolmore.They the Hays [from Scotland]have made their hugh wealth from designing a cleaner for crude oil.Im quite sure that any condition of entry to this partnership is driven by John Magnier and if Treasure Beach is required not to run on his merits but to run for another horse thats exactly what will happen.

Ladjacket · 29-03-2012 9:21am

does anyone know if JJ the Jet Plane will run at this?

no particular reason for asking, just really like the name!!

newuser89 · 29-03-2012 9:45am

Just read that godolphin fancy opinion poll for the Dubai gold cup
Over the fav fox hunt,which to me is crazy
He beat opinion poll fair and square last time and I know there's a extra two furlongs involved but fox hunt will have no problem with that

Apparently dettori said after getting off fox hunt last time when he beat opinion poll
That next time he wants to be on opinion poll.
Silvestre de Sousa is in fox hunt now which I'm happier about as he knows the horse well from mark johnstons

Nulty · 29-03-2012 2:19pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xqA8oAc1iI

Nulty · 29-03-2012 2:21pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5roBdkvf1U

Nulty · 29-03-2012 2:24pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnBhw3k1IaY

Nulty · 29-03-2012 2:26pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOzhI0vhIC8

Nulty · 29-03-2012 2:28pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hueLF2D_UBI

sting60 · 29-03-2012 2:30pm

I think you can make each race an eight horse race for betting purposes (1 to 8)in big fields.Why did the owners of Maydan spend billions designing this place and yet have a track with such a low bias.I will start with the World Cup and my two in the field are the filly Royal Delta and Eishin Flash.RD won two group 1s in 2011 and will stay every inch as will EF who comes from Japan and he won a very hot Jap derby,both are fast finishers.Will the course suit So You Think as he is a monster and loves big courses. The Sheema Classic is some race and a case can be made for most of them.The two i like are St Nicholas Abbey and Beaten Up.I dont think Treasure Beach will like the firm going and could be a pace maker.St Nic needed the run before when he had time off but is the highest rated. Cirris Des Aigles has beaten So You Think in the past but again I think this gelding prefers softer ground.Beaten Up has improved 21 lbs from his last run so is improving big time and will love the ground.I have never backed with my heart but I have backed Daddy Long Legs as I won a few bob on him last year,(oh why did he not go into the stalls first time out at Leo at 16/1.)

Nulty · 29-03-2012 2:30pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1FIUyBpPF0

Nulty · 29-03-2012 2:33pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fNpXWP9SjM

sting60 · 29-03-2012 4:47pm

Ladjacket wrote: »

does anyone know if JJ the Jet Plane will run at this?

no particular reason for asking, just really like the name!!

Has not run since Maydan last year where he beat Wat Artist.As an 8yr old he is more than likely enjoying the fresh air in South Africa.No ladies im afraid as the crown jewels are long gone.

hucklebuck · 29-03-2012 5:38pm

Opinion Poll & So You Think is 14.75, probably my only bet of the whole thing.

Come on NH!!!!

Gringo180 · 30-03-2012 4:46pm

Just had a brief look at the card there, I fancy Planteur with Ryan Moore on board to run a big race in the World Cup.

UrbanSea · 31-03-2012 2:57pm

Delighted for Ballydoyle getting a winner and delighted for Daddy Long Legs. I love that horse, he's some game and genuine. Showed a great attitude today keeping on really well

UrbanSea · 31-03-2012 2:58pm

Check out the replays here, they're up really quick
http://emiratesracing.com/media-centre/videos

RIP Fox Hunt. Not sure about Western Arristocrat in the first. He broke down too. A shame

hucklebuck · 31-03-2012 4:04pm

What happened the 2:45?

Did a Daddylonglegs, So You Think, St Nicholas Abbey treble earlier too.

barney4001 · 31-03-2012 4:14pm

trying to get the meetings results whats up at maydown

longshotvalue · 31-03-2012 4:16pm

the Await/Nick/SYT treble pays 90/1.. has to be worht a min bet just in case...

barney4001 · 31-03-2012 4:17pm

got it now channel 4 useless

http://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2012/0331/315696-early-drama-at-the-dubai-world-cup/

TheMilkyPirate · 31-03-2012 5:05pm

St.Nick would piss the ascot gold cup, Out and out stayer

hucklebuck · 31-03-2012 5:15pm

Ah bollox to that anyway.

Hulk Hands · 31-03-2012 5:23pm

I'm thinking So you Think has to be a lay at 6/4. He's found one too good a few times too many for me

mike65 · 31-03-2012 5:26pm

Zazou for the big one (just to oppose So You Think!)

TheMilkyPirate · 31-03-2012 5:34pm

On so you think at 6/4

hucklebuck · 31-03-2012 5:47pm

Double bollox to that.

Most overrated pile of ****e going.

Knew I should have just layed O Briens horses.:mad:

JONJO THE MISER · 31-03-2012 5:49pm

20/1 Winner.

Hulk Hands · 31-03-2012 5:52pm

hucklebuck wrote: »

Double bollox to that.

Most overrated pile of ****e going.

Knew I should have just layed O Briens horses.:mad:

Than you would have had to pay out 9/1 or so on Daddy long legs :pac:

I agree about So You Think, the bubble burst a long time ago. I seen 11/4 earlier on and thought that was a tad short, couldn't believe when I seen the 11/8 show price. The layers at Betfair had him covered, stayed fairly steady at 7/4 on there. I was happy enough to lay at 2.7 still though

stdidit · 31-03-2012 5:56pm

Thanks Nulty, had a very close look at Montorosso after your OP and went e/w on him. Delighted!

RichieLawlor · 31-03-2012 6:15pm

Joesph O Brien is shocking (in general, i dont think anyone would have won on SYT)

sting60 · 31-03-2012 6:18pm

Daddy Long Legs brilliant. Cannot work out the ride St Nicholas Abbey got,Didnt take long for the excuses for So You Think[didnt act on the surface].11/8 my god there are some very stupid people out there.

Huntley · 31-03-2012 6:22pm

sting60 wrote: »

Cannot work out the ride St Nicholas Abbey got

I watched this race and there was nothing wrong with it. His draw meant he had to wait it out until the gap appeared, and when it did he went for it not giving up lengths by going around the outside.

What do you think the jockey should have done differently?

WHIP IT! · 31-03-2012 6:29pm

Huntley wrote: »

I watched this race and there was nothing wrong with it. His draw meant he had to wait it out until the gap appeared, and when it did he went for it not giving up lengths by going around the outside.

What do you think the jockey should have done differently?

Nothing the jockey could do. Rode his horse perfectly and gave him every chance. Just found one better today.

RichieLawlor · 31-03-2012 6:30pm

Huntley wrote: »

I watched this race and there was nothing wrong with it. His draw meant he had to wait it out until the gap appeared, and when it did he went for it not giving up lengths by going around the outside.

What do you think the jockey should have done differently?

When the race was so obviosly turning into a sprint from a mile out he let a confirmed speed horse and suspect stayer get 1st run on him. A more experienced jock would have gone for home and probably nicked it

WHIP IT! · 31-03-2012 6:31pm

RichieLawlor wrote: »

When the race was so obviosly turning into a sprint from a mile out he let a confirmed speed horse and suspect stayer get 1st run on him. A more experienced jock would have gone for home and probably nicked it finished fourth

FYP

RichieLawlor · 31-03-2012 6:31pm

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Nothing the jockey could do. Rode his horse perfectly and gave him every chance. Just found one better today.

Wrong. SNA stays really well, he was never going to outsprint the Champion Stakes winner off a stupid pace

RichieLawlor · 31-03-2012 6:32pm

WHIP IT! wrote: »

FYP

See my next post, your wrong, you need to read races better

WHIP IT! · 31-03-2012 6:35pm

RichieLawlor wrote: »

See my next post, your wrong, you need to read races better

I don't "need" to do anything. You need to stop talking through your pocket. Horse raced great - winner raced better. That's racing. If it was as easy as picking a favourite and declaring him the winner then they wouldn't even run the races - they'd just send the relevant connections a cheque.

RichieLawlor · 31-03-2012 6:36pm

WHIP IT! wrote: »

I don't "need" to do anything. You need to stop talking through your pocket. Horse raced great - winner raced better. That's racing. If it was as easy as picking a favourite and declaring him the winner then they wouldn't even run the races - they'd just send the relevant connections a cheque.

I didnt back SNA, but your clueless, he was closing all the way to the line. He got a terrible ride. Thats my point.

Huntley · 31-03-2012 6:37pm

RichieLawlor wrote: »

When the race was so obviosly turning into a sprint from a mile out he let a confirmed speed horse and suspect stayer get 1st run on him. A more experienced jock would have gone for home and probably nicked it

He didn't have much option but to let the winner get first run, unless you think giving lengths up in the process going around the field would have been a better option?

WHIP IT! · 31-03-2012 6:39pm

RichieLawlor wrote: »

I didnt back SNA, but your clueless, he was closing all the way to the line. He got a terrible ride. Thats my point.

Yes, I don't agree with you, therefore I'm clueless. Lucky for you you didn't back him, you have enough trouble figuring out what's going on after a race, nevermind beforehand.

Great racing today from Meydan, very enjoyable. Agreed about So You Think, where did 11/8 come from?? :eek:

RichieLawlor · 31-03-2012 6:41pm

Huntley wrote: »

He didn't have much option but to let the winner get first run, unless you think giving lengths up in the process going around the field would have been a better option?

It would have defo been a better option, but it was a slow pace from early so he had plenty of time but he let the race unfold against him. A more experianced jock wouldnt have. SNA has won over further and he got outsprinted. Thats jockey error

WHIP IT! · 31-03-2012 6:44pm

RichieLawlor wrote: »

It would have defo been a better option, but it was a slow pace from early so he had plenty of time but he let the race unfold against him. A more experianced jock wouldnt have. SNA has won over further and he got outsprinted. Thats jockey error

No, that's racing. Do you think horses have Stop and Go buttons? A gearbox? Classic punter mistake: "he did it before so why not again??"

The jockey rode his horse perfectly and got beat by a horse who raced better than him on the day - by a head. End of story. Not every beaten favourite needs a 'bad ride' story... and this is one of them.

RichieLawlor · 31-03-2012 6:47pm

WHIP IT! wrote: »

No, that's racing. Do you think horses have Stop and Go buttons? A gearbox? Classic punter mistake: "he did it before so why not again??"

The jockey rode his horse perfectly and got beat by a horse who raced better than him on the day - by a head. End of story. Not every beaten favourite needs a 'bad ride' story... and this is one of them.

SNA was closing at the finish, in a race that was in no way run to suit.

Your wrong.

And on ignore you go because my kid has more sense than you

World Cup Night - Meydan

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