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The Big Miss ....Haneys book on Tiger

  • 28-03-2012 9:49am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,848 ✭✭✭


    Will anybody buy/read it
    Just read a review on the golf digest (lost link sorry! ) makes Haney seem a little bit sad to me

    He says he was afraid to ask Tiger was it ok for him to have a popsicle when at Tigers home

    He reckons tiger is cheap
    Haney got $50,000 per annum+ expenses
    And bonus for each major was $25,000

    Theres a story about Tiger ordering the 24hr porn channel for himself and Zach Johnson when rooming together seems like something any guy would do for a devout catholic buddy if you ask me .....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    I will buy it. He's the most popular golfer for the past 15 years yet so little is and was known about him.

    I'm sure it would make for more interesting reading than his frequently dull press conferences.

    "I hit the ball real swell today and all the guys are great and hopefully I can win" etc etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭newport2


    soundsham wrote: »
    Will anybody buy/read it
    Just read a review on the golf digest (lost link sorry! ) makes Haney seem a little bit sad to me

    He says he was afraid to ask Tiger was it ok for him to have a popsicle when at Tigers home

    He reckons tiger is cheap
    Haney got $50,000 per annum+ expenses
    And bonus for each major was $25,000

    Theres a story about Tiger ordering the 24hr porn channel for himself and Zach Johnson when rooming together seems like something any guy would do for a devout catholic buddy if you ask me .....

    Does seem poor form on Haney's part tbh. That said, if I helped Tiger win that many majors and he was paying me that sort of money, well........

    Probably won't be able to resist reading it at some point. The majority of it is about the golf side of things.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,808 Mod ✭✭✭✭Keano


    Already a thread on this 2 posts below yours :)


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Jul3s


    foxyboxer wrote: »
    I will buy it. He's the most popular golfer for the past 15 years yet so little is and was known about him.

    I'm sure it would make for more interesting reading than his frequently dull press conferences.

    "I hit the ball real swell today and all the guys are great and hopefully I can win" etc etc
    Don't confuse best golfer with most popular, Woods fits a generic commercial appeal that has the everyday "joe soaps" drooling at his every movement, that doesn't make him the most popular just the most commercially succesful.
    And no I won't be buying Haney's thrashy attempt at making a few quid for himself.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    Merged the two threads there and cleaned it up a bit.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭Martin567


    soundsham wrote: »
    Will anybody buy/read it
    Just read a review on the golf digest (lost link sorry! ) makes Haney seem a little bit sad to me

    He says he was afraid to ask Tiger was it ok for him to have a popsicle when at Tigers home

    He reckons tiger is cheap
    Haney got $50,000 per annum+ expenses
    And bonus for each major was $25,000

    Theres a story about Tiger ordering the 24hr porn channel for himself and Zach Johnson when rooming together seems like something any guy would do for a devout catholic buddy if you ask me .....

    I won't be buying it but yet again it does emphasise that Tiger certainly isn't a very nice guy. I'm sure this doesn't matter to a lot of people as he is an amazing golfer but ordering the porn channel while rooming with Zach Johnson just sounds obnoxious to me.

    There is another piece I read where Haney says that Tiger is an incredibly fast eater. When out for a meal, he apparently wolfs his food down and then stands up to leave as soon as he is finished. Those eating with him are expected to leave with him, no matter how much they have left to eat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    Jul3s wrote: »
    Don't confuse best golfer with most popular, Woods fits a generic commercial appeal that has the everyday "joe soaps" drooling at his every movement, that doesn't make him the most popular just the most commercially succesful.
    And no I won't be buying Haney's thrashy attempt at making a few quid for himself.

    I guess I meant popularity from a commercial perspective such as TV ratings are higher when he is in contention and lower when he's nowhere.

    I'll buy it only if the price is right and if it is wait for the reductions. It would certainly make for an interesting read.
    Like Colin Byrne's Bagman books a few years back, it's great to read about someone's perspective as an Insider.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,416 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    newport2 wrote: »
    Does seem poor form on Haney's part tbh. That said, if I helped Tiger win that many majors and he was paying me that sort of money, well........

    Tiger would have won alot more majors with a different coach.
    Haney is a very poor golf coach ,he almost ruined Tiger's career with his flawed swing concepts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    Tiger would have won alot more majors with a different coach.
    Haney is a very poor golf coach ,he almost ruined Tiger's career with his flawed swing concepts.

    Yeah, Butch Harmon. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    Martin567 wrote: »
    I won't be buying it but yet again it does emphasise that Tiger certainly isn't a very nice guy. I'm sure this doesn't matter to a lot of people as he is an amazing golfer but ordering the porn channel while rooming with Zach Johnson just sounds obnoxious to me.

    There is another piece I read where Haney says that Tiger is an incredibly fast eater. When out for a meal, he apparently wolfs his food down and then stands up to leave as soon as he is finished. Those eating with him are expected to leave with him, no matter how much they have left to eat.

    I wonder if he does that at the Masters Champions Dinner?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭newport2


    Tiger would have won alot more majors with a different coach.
    Haney is a very poor golf coach ,he almost ruined Tiger's career with his flawed swing concepts.

    If it's down to Haney that Tiger only won 6 majors with him, then that's Tiger's fault for selecting him as a coach. His win rate also improved under Haney. He also had injuries, not to mention all his other problems.

    When Tiger took him on, he obviously thought he was the best coach there was, but still chose at that point to pay him SFA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,848 ✭✭✭soundsham




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭ssbob


    newport2 wrote: »
    When Tiger took him on, he obviously thought he was the best coach there was, but still chose at that point to pay him SFA.

    It;s not really SFA when you consider the exposure he gets from working with "The Greatest", he is set up for life, will prob make $1-$2million off this book, have clients paying top dollar for an hour with him. If Tiger had never hired him, would we even have heard of him?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭newport2


    ssbob wrote: »
    It;s not really SFA when you consider the exposure he gets from working with "The Greatest", he is set up for life, will prob make $1-$2million off this book, have clients paying top dollar for an hour with him. If Tiger had never hired him, would we even have heard of him?

    Very true, although I still think it's a bit cheap of a billionaire to pay you less just because he can. Also, don't think Tiger really took this book into account when hiring him. But you're right, he can charge what he wants for coaching now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 308 ✭✭Seves Three Iron


    Would be surprised if it's any better than the Tom Callahan book 'His Father's son'. For anyone who hasn't read that, it gives a great insight into why Tiger is like he is. Seems a right cheap git, as Haney also insinuates, and when it comes to the 'other stuff', well, it certainly wasn't from the ground he licked it, so to speak! Personally, I would be surprised if Tiger was NOT like a dog with two mickeys after some of the carry on his Da got up to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭GetInTheHole!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,848 ✭✭✭soundsham


    Listening to sky sports there due to the delay in Houston. The lads were saying Ewan Murray has written a biting blog regarding the book
    Neither Oosty or Pugh think Tiger is likeable but are less than happy with the thought of a coach blowing the lid on any players personal stuff ,,,,,,,, have to agree myself, takes a slimeball to know a slimeball !

    Ewan's Blog

    In this column at the end of last year, I went for Tiger Woods and after his win at Bay Hill last Sunday, I'm going to stay with that.

    I felt that if he could get fit and have a run of tournaments to regain his sharpness, his well-documented problems over the past three years would drift far enough into his past.

    Despite the ever-increasing nucleus of top players, I still think he will be the one to beat.

    As readers of this column, you will know that myself and Tiger were at loggerheads over the infamous Dubai spitting incident. In my position, I had no option but to do and say what I said. It was a mistake on Tiger's behalf born out of frustration. It happens, it was dealt with by the officials and it is now history.

    Disgust
    Tiger will have to deal with more media focus when the book, 'The Big Miss', written by his former coach, Hank Haney, hits the shops and Internet this week.

    My own conclusions amount to a feeling of disgust.

    Haney has broken the unwritten code of ethics between player and coach. I have been close to my great friend, Darren Clarke over the past seven years. In that time, there has been sadness and joy and I don't need to explain that.

    Golf-wise, there has been times when despite his dedication, he has failed to reach the heights he, and I expect of him. That is the way the sport goes.

    Other times, the elation of winning has far surpassed the down times. I have shared some of the more humorous moments with you via this column, but 90 per cent of our times together are sacrosanct.

    They are between Darren and myself and they remain there.

    Decent
    Haney was a reasonably well respected coach before his alliance with Tiger. He coached tour players such as Mark O'Meara and Tommy Armour the third.

    He helped many amateurs through his golf schools and was respected by those who went to him for guidance. That respect has died and all for the sake of that dreaded evil, money.

    One quote in his book sticks like glue in my throat. Haney was having lunch with his Dad and suggested to him that he could become Tiger's next coach.

    He took a call from Tiger during that lunch and their relationship was born. "I'll be famous," he said. Like all good Dad's do, he asked his son if he really wanted to do this?

    "For sure," said Haney, and so the marriage began. In his time with Haney, Woods' ratio of victories was even better than in the Butch Harmon years and during their time together, they enjoyed six major championships albeit to Butch's eight.

    Now, I have no idea how much Haney was paid for his undoubted knowledge, but the salary and bonuses would be considerable. Not only that, Haney became a regular member of the Golf Channel's analysts' team. He even had his own series called 'Haney's project'. He would have enjoyed corporate days and various deals being Tiger's swing instructor.

    Here was a decent coach making hay on the back of the greatest player in modern times. Not a lot wrong with any of that.

    Vile
    Then came the greed. His tweets on Twitter have been vile. "off to CBS, watch me with Piers Morgan" at ESPN re "the big miss"; "At Fox Sports to promote my new book" etc.

    The re-tweets, i.e. those of his followers, have surpassed vile. Self-promotion comes to mind, but it's much worse than that.

    This is an exploitation of trust based on pure greed and of course, Haney will be the winner... for a short period of time.

    Like yesterday's newspapers, it will be old hat in no time, tossed aside like fish and chip papers.

    When the dust settles as it surely will, Haney's reputation will be in tatters. He is set to make millions of dollars from his book and add to that the vast amount of dollars he has already made from being Tiger's coach, he's welcome to that. He can now sail off into the Mexican sunset to his holiday home with his new wife and live the life of Riley.

    He can afford luxury but it's one thing affording that, another thing enjoying it. No decent tour pro will ever cross his path again, nor should any amateur golfer trying to improve his game. There are many fine instructors out there who have your interests at heart, worldwide you have a lot of choice.

    Tiger has been betrayed by one he trusted.

    So go on Tiger, win the Masters and challenge Jack's record. That's a story I would enjoy reading.

    Finally, and not surprisingly, Haney's book comes out on the eve of the tournament. I will give it its rightful title, the big miss.

    Nothing is bigger than the Masters and back to winning ways, right now, after exhaustive changes with his new coach, Tiger's game is once again the talk of the sport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭newport2


    Don't usually have much time for Ewen, but he's bang on here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭heavyballs


    newport2 wrote: »
    Don't usually have much time for Ewen, but he's bang on here

    i agree but was there really a need for you to quote the whole piece?


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    Excellent read ^


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭newport2


    heavyballs wrote: »
    i agree but was there really a need for you to quote the whole piece?

    No, sorry for the inconvenience I have put you through


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭death1234567


    Murray spot on there. Haney just cashing in and showing that he's not a trustworthy person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Anatom


    ^^^ Excellent post.

    Haney has taken a short-term position in a long-term market. Silly thing to do!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    newport2 wrote: »
    No, sorry for the inconvenience I have put you through

    Thanks for quoting it, handy for those of us in work or on mobile phones.

    I have to say, it will be a great achievement if Woods can win at Augusta and I really hope he does. This book is in pretty bad taste, I'm curious about reading it but not sure if I will yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭Loire


    Not a huge TW fan as his antics annoy me, but he's some golfer. Would be great for the game if he came 2nd next Sunday to Rory. I agree with Ewan Murray. Best way to read this book without Hank getting any money is to "obtain" a copy from the internet ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    That respect has died and all for the sake of that dreaded evil, money.
    Money = Evil. Riiiiiight. Following Murrays logic here we can argue that all Woods' adventures overseas and the tens of millions in appearance fees accrued would make him a supervillain.

    "I'll be famous," he said. Like all good Dad's do, he asked his son if he really wanted to do this?

    Murray seems to infer a determination for the spotlight from Him here. I would read it as him stating the obvious. I'm sure he was aware of the explosion of fame being Woods' new coach and the subsequent pressure that would entail.

    Haney is no spring chicken, heading towards retirement. So his reputation will suffer but it's not like he's on the breadline as is and desperately needs more clients.

    After you've coached Woods it's only downhill from there isn't it?

    He's simply telling it as it was, warts and all, which is what a true memoir should be like. It's the nature of the media to focus on the controversial aspects of any such tome. I want to read it to form my own opinion as I would expect Haney to be abundant in praise for Woods also yet what inevitably gets reported are the salacious details and anecdotes giving an extremely one sided viewpoint.

    Headlines such as "WOODS PORN PRANK AT K CLUB" garners more attention than "FORMER WOODS SWING COACH DECLARES HIM GREATEST OF ALL TIME"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭heavyballs


    newport2 wrote: »
    No, sorry for the inconvenience I have put you through

    sorry about that,my bad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,416 ✭✭✭Jimmy Iovine


    foxyboxer wrote: »
    He's simply telling it as it was, warts and all, which is what a true memoir should be like. It's the nature of the media to focus on the controversial aspects of any such tome. I want to read it to form my own opinion as I would expect Haney to be abundant in praise for Woods also yet what inevitably gets reported are the salacious details and anecdotes giving an extremely one sided viewpoint.

    Headlines such as "WOODS PORN PRANK AT K CLUB" garners more attention than "FORMER WOODS SWING COACH DECLARES HIM GREATEST OF ALL TIME"

    If his book was in any way decent then he wouldn't need to be trying to sell it on the basis of "WOODS PORN PRANK A K CLUB"-style headlines.

    I think that it's a pretty pathetic attempt by Haney to make a quick buck at the end of his career. He has damaged his reputation amongst his fellow peers an awful lot anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Sandwlch


    Has anybody seen the book? I thought it was out to day and went to buy a copy. But not stocked in the 3 bookshops I was able to check. One an Easons.
    Checked Amazon now, and quoting 7-11 day delay.

    Have you all bought up the print run and I have missed out ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Golfgraffix


    Sandwlch wrote: »
    Has anybody seen the book? I thought it was out to day and went to buy a copy. But not stocked in the 3 bookshops I was able to check. One an Easons.
    Checked Amazon now, and quoting 7-11 day delay.

    Have you all bought up the print run and I have missed out ?

    I have it on Kindle Cloud, enjoying it so far but Haney doesnt come out great, for a book about tiger he sure goes on about himself.

    Lucky he had decided to give up pro coaching before the release of the book as I can't imagine any pro wanting to touch him after this.

    It's poor form to right the book but it is an interesting insight to T W


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    If his book was in any way decent then he wouldn't need to be trying to sell it on the basis of "WOODS PORN PRANK A K CLUB"-style headlines.

    I think that it's a pretty pathetic attempt by Haney to make a quick buck at the end of his career. He has damaged his reputation amongst his fellow peers an awful lot anyway.

    The point is that it's the nature of today's media to focus on those aspects.

    I could write a biography of Jack Nicklaus with 500 pages of nothing but praise, but if I were to relate an anecdote unearthed during my research about the time he was having a bad day in 1974* and was a jerk to a waitress, then I'd probably end up on ESPN too defending myself whilst the sub-title on ESPN would read;

    "Author brands legend Nicklaus a 'jerk'"






    * i made this up. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭meath4sam


    Is this book in bookshops yet have looked out for it but no sign anyone seen it yet?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    meath4sam wrote: »
    Is this book in bookshops yet have looked out for it but no sign anyone seen it yet?

    Hodges and Figgis have it on Dawson St. €19.99. :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭PRAF


    Bought it via Amazon.co.uk

    Cost about €15 and took about a week to arrive

    Really enjoyed the book by the way. Great insight into Tiger and also the life of a coach.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 308 ✭✭Seves Three Iron


    Just finishing reading this. Interesting book though, for me, I found it hard to get past Haney's betrayal of the coach/player relationship. It's one thing a player writing his own book or even a journalist or author writing a book - that's their job - but Haney broke the fundamental, unwritten rule of trust and I personally found it hard to buy into him as a result.

    He obviously had a bird's eye view of Tiger from 2004 to 2010 which is naturally interesting reading but it's kind of a 'through the spyhole' read. At times I felt like taking a cold shower, like when he reveals sspects of Tiger's relationship with his wife.

    Also wasn't a great fan of Haney's interpretation of a lot of events such as, 'Tiger gave a knowing look which told me was feeling so and so about such and such a thing'. The guy is a golf coach, not a psychologist.

    Finally, I would be interested to know if all the people he has name checked - Corey Carroll, Mark O'Meara, Pat Perez etc etc - were happy about him revealing private conversations he had with them to back up his various points.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭k.p.h


    Just finishing reading this. Interesting book though, for me, I found it hard to get past Haney's betrayal of the coach/player relationship. It's one thing a player writing his own book or even a journalist or author writing a book - that's their job - but Haney broke the fundamental, unwritten rule of trust and I personally found it hard to buy into him as a result.

    He obviously had a bird's eye view of Tiger from 2004 to 2010 which is naturally interesting reading but it's kind of a 'through the spyhole' read. At times I felt like taking a cold shower, like when he reveals sspects of Tiger's relationship with his wife.

    Also wasn't a great fan of Haney's interpretation of a lot of events such as, 'Tiger gave a knowing look which told me was feeling so and so about such and such a thing'. The guy is a golf coach, not a psychologist.

    Finally, I would be interested to know if all the people he has name checked - Corey Carroll, Mark O'Meara, Pat Perez etc etc - were happy about him revealing private conversations he had with them to back up his various points.

    Anything in the book that would infer that Tiger is not possibly the greatest golfer of all time.? e.g

    Haney: "Tiger confided in me that he had in fact shanked all those 200y irons to 4ft". :)

    Overall how would you feel Tiger is portrayed in the book..?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭brick tamland


    Seen this in Eason on O'Connell St the other day. €24.99:eek::eek: Seriously. I flicked through it and it looked like a very short read too

    Wouldn’t mind reading it but I think I'll wait for the paperback copy or get a lend of somebody who has read it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 308 ✭✭Seves Three Iron


    k.p.h wrote: »
    Anything in the book that would infer that Tiger is not possibly the greatest golfer of all time.? e.g

    Haney: "Tiger confided in me that he had in fact shanked all those 200y irons to 4ft". :)

    Overall how would you feel Tiger is portrayed in the book..?

    He says a few times throughout the book that Tiger is the best player ever, in his opinion. I just found that from the initial position of betraying a pupil by writing the book it is hard to give a lot of credence to the opinions he makes thereafter. He finishes up with an attempt to use stats to prove that Tiger was more successful as a player under him than with Butch - even though the bottom line in analysing Tiger's legacy will always be that he won six majors under Haney and eight under Butch.

    All in all, I'd definitely recommend reading it and coming to your own conclusions. You might feel that Haney has done golf a great service by shedding more light on such an enclosed individual.

    Between Haney and Jaime Diaz, the ghost writer, they generally paint a picture of Tiger being a genius player but a flawed individual who is cheap, arrogant, poor with perrsonal relationships etc. None of that is in any way new or revealing but, as with all good books, there's a few good yarns in there to elevate the whole thing.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Jul3s


    Just finishing reading this. Interesting book though, for me, I found it hard to get past Haney's betrayal of the coach/player relationship. It's one thing a player writing his own book or even a journalist or author writing a book - that's their job - but Haney broke the fundamental, unwritten rule of trust and I personally found it hard to buy into him as a result.

    He obviously had a bird's eye view of Tiger from 2004 to 2010 which is naturally interesting reading but it's kind of a 'through the spyhole' read. At times I felt like taking a cold shower, like when he reveals sspects of Tiger's relationship with his wife.

    Also wasn't a great fan of Haney's interpretation of a lot of events such as, 'Tiger gave a knowing look which told me was feeling so and so about such and such a thing'. The guy is a golf coach, not a psychologist.

    Finally, I would be interested to know if all the people he has name checked - Corey Carroll, Mark O'Meara, Pat Perez etc etc - were happy about him revealing private conversations he had with them to back up his various points.
    Strange you seem to have a conscious unlike Haney yet you still line his pocket.
    As for the questions you raise, like seriously who gives a ****? you and others like you will buy the book and make Haney millions, that's the full story endof, so therefore Haney is justified.
    Personally I wouldn't not read the book, but I most definately would not buy it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭PRAF


    Some other interesting bits in the book for me:
    - Tiger is a bit of a tinkerer with his swing. When left to his own devices (2003 - post Butch but pre Haney, 2010 - post Haney but pre Foley), he'll try all sorts of crazy stuff, and he had some pretty average / poor results during these times by his lofty standards
    - The infamous Tiger head dip was largely because he felt he needed to get behind the ball in order to get more distance. He resited Haney's attepmts to change this
    - Tiger, like all of us, was prone to first tee nerves and a lot of his 'big miss' shots were so surprising because he would be hitting it flush on the range and would hit the first tee and then disaster would strike him
    - He was obsessed with being taken serously as an athlete, hence the excessive workout regime and his talk of 'doing reps' etc.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 308 ✭✭Seves Three Iron


    Jul3s wrote: »
    that's the full story endof

    Okay, apologies. You have me bang to rights Guv.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭Whyner


    Jul3s wrote: »
    Strange you seem to have a conscious unlike Haney yet you still line his pocket.
    As for the questions you raise, like seriously who gives a ****? you and others like you will buy the book and make Haney millions, that's the full story endof, so therefore Haney is justified.
    Personally I wouldn't not read the book

    Some strange wording and double negatives going on there Jules


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Jul3s


    Okay, apologies. You have me bang to rights Guv.
    Thats more like it, apologies accepted, just don't let it happen again.
    Whyner wrote: »
    Some strange wording and double negatives going on there Jules
    Yea hardly surprising it went over your head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭Whyner


    Jul3s wrote: »
    Thats more like it, apologies accepted, just don't let it happen again.


    Yea hardly surprising it went over your head.

    You can drop your defences Jules, we're not here to attack you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    It was an interesting though slight read.

    I got the impression from reading it that Woods suffers from Aspergers Syndrome. It could possibly explain his complete devotion/obsession with the game to the detriment of his social and personal life. There is a notable lack of real friends in his life. Even Steve Williams felt the cold shoulder.

    Haney also bemoans the fact that he began to neglect his shortgame after he started working with him and it cost him majors. He maintains that he could easily have won the grand slam in 2005 if he putted and chipped better.

    That instead of accepting 2 putts from 20 feet he was always overtly aggressive in trying to make them and subsequently costing himself shots.


    I also noted a comparison to Harrington in the way of needing to feel that they were constantly getting better, the maintenance and refinement of a major winning swing would simply be boring. The old adage of if it aint broke doesn't apply to Woods.

    Finally, Haney's major point is that "He's great because he's an a-hole"


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Jul3s


    Whyner wrote: »
    You can drop your defences Jules, we're not here to attack you
    Don't worry bud, I fear nothing from the likes of you and you can shove your touchy feely pychobabble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Dermo09


    Tiger would have won alot more majors with a different coach.
    Haney is a very poor golf coach ,he almost ruined Tiger's career with his flawed swing concepts.


    Have a look at the records, this point does not stand up to be honest....


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Jul3s


    foxyboxer wrote: »
    Finally, Haney's major point is that "He's great because he's an a-hole"
    Haney would be an expert and know all about that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    Jul3s wrote: »
    Haney would be an expert and know all about that.

    seriously-meme.jpg?w=465


    I'll just throw this out there but perhaps reserve your judgement on proceedings until you've read 'a' version of the book.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭Almaviva


    Finished it the other day. Essential reading for anyone at all interested in the Tiger phenomenon. The confidentiality issue of Hank writing the book in the first place may be ( but maybe not) questionable, but Tiger has been such a global sporting event for the last 15 year that he cannot expect to completely stage manage his image, and keep the real Tiger unknown to the world. A true picture had to come out some time - especially when the difference is as big as we now know it to be. And this book shows us far more of the real Tiger than any other source, is out there, like it or not, and therefore is important.

    It reveals to us :
    - Tigers introverted nature, handicapped relationship skills, and hot house, hobbled peronsal life, totally dominated by his golf mission and his record. He is an intelligent guy - but without doubt a strange one
    - the extent of Tigers injury issues
    - Tiger's swing tinkering!!! He comes across as a common hacker in his search to improve his swing, and the hit and miss nature of his swing changes designed to improve his game
    - the huge pressure Tiger the phenomenon feels to deliver victories, set new records, and beat Jack's major record. And how this has worn him down
    - How Tigers driving problems are mental - again in the manner of weekend hacker. And nothing to do with minute fine detail in his swing
    - The fitness training obsession and Navy Seals thing are not just gossipy anecdotes. They have played a significant role on Tiger the golfer over the last 6 years and in a negative way
    - the handfull of popsicle and Poulter type stories that made the papers and magazines amount to no more than a couple of pages in the whole book. And legitimately add to the understanding of Tiger the person. The scandal is only recounted in how it affected Tiger, his golf, and effort to get his game back - it goes into no detail on the night of the crash, the rehab, the cocktail waitresses etc.
    - the whole book does hang together pretty well for me. Hank comes across as pretty honest and gives a picture that is consistent and makes sense of what we have seen in Tiger over the last 6 years (Hank seems to have been motivated to explain and defend his own reputation (he does overdo his attempts to compare his stats which Butch's) - not write a dirt dishing book)

    And a few impressions it made on me:
    - Some may have said it anyway, but for me it was unclear. Now I reckon, while it is possible he will win a major or two more (though quite possibly none), collecting the 5 to beat Jack is probably beyond reach now.
    - The whole world of golf coaching at that level smacks of snake oil merchants. They contribute little if anything to the elite golfers, and are more like gurus, priests, or mental crutches, giving the player the impression that they are necessary to their success.
    - Tiger has indeed played golf to the best level it has ever been played

    Read it.


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