Facial recognitian CCTV developed that can scan 36 million frames per second

Daithi 1

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

surely somebody could back me up here

I guess not.

It's probably coz you don't believe in capital letters or paragraphs.

SNAKEDOC

no i just don't use them. you find something wrong with everything i think that is whats wrong with you. you are a glass is half empty guy. i on the other hand am a glass is half full. there are a lot of things wrong with the world but if the world was perfect then that in itself would be wrong. we do in fact live in a balanced society. one where there is good vs evil, and in this world you are protesting against something to help prevent evil. that my boards buddy is a paradox, someone wanting good but preventing it by protesting and unknowingly helping evil.

Daithi 1

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

no i just don't use them. you find something wrong with everything i think that is whats wrong with you. you are a glass is half empty guy. i on the other hand am a glass is half full. there are a lot of things wrong with the world but if the world was perfect then that in itself would be wrong. we do in fact live in a balanced society. one where there is good vs evil, and in this world you are protesting against something to help prevent evil. that my boards buddy is a paradox, someone wanting good but preventing it by protesting and unknowingly helping evil.

I'm protesting making the world perfect or "wrong" in your words. Coz like everyone knows, perfect is wrong.

Posted this before but it wont do any harm to post again. This is what this technology creates and helps maintain, it doesn't attempt to examine the root of the problem. Nothing short of slavery.

Video gets a tad annoying in the middle but improves again quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofZS1gVaDcI

SNAKEDOC

boards .ie not boards.us right. i am a middle class irishman living and working in ireland. i have a small rented house that i share with my partner. I work as many hours as i can to provide for my partner and I. I pay my taxes and obide by the law. I do not care what goes on in another country that i may not even step foot in in my short life. I do care about my country (Ireland) where prisoners are not slaves. Our country has many problems that need to be fixed but on a whole this countries people live in peace if they so choose. there are people out there that insist that they know better, if so run for office and stop complaining about things that you could try and fix. yes using prisoners as slaves is wrong but its not our country. when people were starving and dieing in this country the USA did nothing for us.

now back to the thread about the implementation of face scanning capable cctv. good or bad. well my opinion is good. what is the point in having cctv that cannot distinguish between faces. it is a waist of money. which if you have not noticed is in short supply these days

Daithi 1

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

. when people were starving and dieing in this country the USA did nothing for us.

Umm, Didnt a couple million of us emmigrate there when the potes went bad like..

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

now back to the thread about the implementation of face scanning capable cctv. good or bad. well my opinion is good. what is the point in having cctv that cannot distinguish between faces. it is a waist of money. which if you have not noticed is in short supply these days

So, they have been wasting tax payers money until now ?

Daithi 1

I read this today and thought it was pretty relevant to this thread so i'll just drop it here.

Mistakes are often made, even by those with the best intention. The system can grind up innocent people in all sorts of ways. The more power you give to the system to do this, the more you increase the chance that mistakes will happen with increased frequency and severity.

Jeboa Safari

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I read this today and thought it was pretty relevant to this thread so i'll just drop it here.

What were you reading, a manual on how to operate a meat grinder?

Daithi 1

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

What were you reading, a manual on how to operate a meat grinder?

Is a meat grinding manual relevant to this thread ?

I have deep concerns about the emergence of surveillance technology and the threat to privacy posed by such technology, as well as mass phenomena like Facebook and intrusive searches by the police, the TSA, and others. Yet it seems a substantial number of people (on ATS and elsewhere) have no problem with such things, and even go out of their way to argue heatedly in their favor. The general line of such arguments usually boils down to: “If you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.”

In this thread, hopefully I will convince you that you do have something to worry about due to the erosion of privacy and civil liberties, on both the governmental and private-business fronts, even if you live the unblemished life of a saint.



I believe there may be some cases where the “if you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about” reasoning is justified. But in most cases, it is not. To be clear, in this thread I’m focusing on the following:


Surveillance, through cameras and other means in public, cell phones, and online. This includes data-mining, databases that store your personal information, and the like.
Intrusive searches by officials such as the TSA in America, “alphabet agencies,” and over-zealous policemen. (I do NOT criticize the very existence of these institutions, let it be known, and I have respect for the fine men and women who do their jobs they way they should.)
The challenges to privacy presented by social-networking systems like Facebook, services that deal with vast amounts of info like Google, online advertising protocols, data-mining for corporate reasons and advertising, and private-information-related issues.







The following is why I think that these phenomena should give even those who “have done nothing wrong” cause to worry. If you disagree, I ask that you at least read the list first before jumping to reply with something that is already covered. Thanks for your patience.


”You have nothing to worry about if you’ve done nothing wrong” sounds good on paper, but who defines what is “right” and what is “wrong”? A look at history – any history – shows how open to debate these concepts really are, and how truly easy it is to do wrong when trying with all your heart to do right.

Even if you trust the people in power now (both government and business), who knows what will come later ? Once these privacy-eroding systems are in place, they are very difficult to remove. You might trust the current government, or Google/Facebook as currently construed, but can you be so sure you will trust the same forces in ten or twenty years? By then it will be too late to remove these systems without massive struggle. Again, look to history – mankind’s track record is not encouraging and it shows us that good governance (both corporate and national) tends to be the exception rather than the rule.

Mistakes are often made, even by those with the best intentions. The system can grind up innocent people in all sorts of ways. The more power you give to the system to do this, the more you increase the chance that mistakes will happen with increased frequency and severity.

Malicious individuals exist within every organization. Even if you trust the government and big business as a whole, do you trust every individual working for them that handles your private info? The potential for abuse, stalking, blackmail, harassment, and other bad stuff exists and is real.

The “right to be forgotten:” We all do dumb things. I certainly have. But as they say, “the internet never forgets.” Information that exists in “the cloud” is difficult if not impossible to erase. Facebook never forgets and deletion is difficult – not only deletion of your own material, but material other people make about you. People who do something stupid online may be haunted by it for the rest of their life. We all chuckle at Youtube clips of people doing dumb things, but should those people have to wear their mistakes around their necks like a millstone for the rest of their life? A teenager making a stupid Youtube clip may find it hard to get a job ten or twenty years later. I say this is not fair.

Humiliation comes with lack of privacy and embarrassing rituals that can take place in the name of security. When a TSA worker gropes your genitals, forces you to strip, and tells you to bend over and cough, it is already a form of humiliation. We can observe similar behaviors used to assert dominance and superiority in the pecking order in our fellow primates, as well as other mammals, suggesting something deep and possibly hardwired into the human psyche.

The right to present different faces to different people at different times: This is an issue specifically regarding Facebook, Google, and social networks. Do you not act differently to your boss, your mother, your significant other, and your best buddy? Do you not show these people different faces and different sides of yourself? Do you really want your boss to be able to access information meant for your drinking pals? Until now, humans have enjoyed the flexibility to present themselves in different ways at different times. This flexibility is not “deceit;” on the contrary, it is an ancient human tool for survival, and a kind of natural right. When you give it up, you are giving up power to the info-managers like Facebook, and your life becomes like a poker game with transparent cards.

The right to shape your own narrative by yourself: This is connected to the point above, but slightly different. When you talk to somebody or write them a letter, you are telling your own story the way you want to. But when you surrender this function to Facebook, you are giving them the power to “define you” in multiple ways. I’d like to do that for myself, not outsource it to Zuckerberg and friends with their "timeline" that makes my whole life available at a glace to anyone, thank you very much.

Don’t you simply want to be left alone sometimes? Not to be bothered by your boss, your “friends,” advertisers, or your government when you relax in the evening in front of a roaring fire? I know I do, and it has nothing at all to do with doing anything that needs to be hidden. Think of “stage fright.” We feel stage fright (or milder versions of uptight-ness) when we know we are being watched. We behave differently when the eye is on us – no matter whose eye it is. It is psychologically stressful to have this feeling going all the time, twenty-four hours a day.

“If you don’t like it don’t use it” – This is another criticism made when people complain about Facebook or technology like smartphones. It is a fair point to make in many cases, but the truth is that when technology sets in, those that refuse to adapt get left behind. Often these tools are required for any decent job out there. And already friends look at me funny when they learn I’m not on Facebook. Even if, like me, you stubbornly refuse to use social networks, you can't control what other people who DO use them say and write about you. It’s easier to say “just opt out” than it is to actually do it. Never mind the issue of what the government does with such tech and systems – something that we cannot opt out of at all.



In an earlier era none of this would have had to be said at all. To me, it’s a sad comment on society that so many choose not to see what seems so obvious. If you agree with me, I encourage you to stand up against the “If you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about” attitude wherever it manifests, both on ATS and in the wider world.

Thanks for reading and consdering.

Jeboa Safari

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Is a meat grinding manual relevant to this thread ?

Ah calm down, your quote could have been about anything
I read the same thread, you should probably credit the original author

Daithi 1

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Ah calm down, your quote could have been about anything
I read the same thread, you should probably credit the original author

Nah, f*ck him.:D

SNAKEDOC

my god i've never read such a load of cow dung in my life. that was the ramblings of someone who believes he is right and tries to convince people he is right with big words.

i'm sure in your mind your opinion is right but others may see things differently. your post though long had no real point. you spoke of data mining and humiliation in the face of having data been stored about you. and how google and facebook contribute to the data storing monster. the world is full of technology and although you did mention it you failed to state that you can live without any social media or technology contact. don't log on to facebook don't use an e mail don't set up any accounts of any kind. we live in a technology filled world. technology makes things easier. While we are one the technology subject do you think cars are evil too or how about running water or a toilet or a bed cus its all called modern technology answer me this "anybody" could you honestly last one day without the basic technology of today. most of us would not last past a few days after running out of tinned beans

weisses

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

my god i've never read such a load of cow dung in my life. that was the ramblings of someone who believes he is right and tries to convince people he is right with big words.

i'm sure in your mind your opinion is right but others may see things differently. your post though long had no real point. you spoke of data mining and humiliation in the face of having data been stored about you. and how google and facebook contribute to the data storing monster. the world is full of technology and although you did mention it you failed to state that you can live without any social media or technology contact. don't log on to facebook don't use an e mail don't set up any accounts of any kind. we live in a technology filled world. technology makes things easier. While we are one the technology subject do you think cars are evil too or how about running water or a toilet or a bed cus its all called modern technology answer me this "anybody" could you honestly last one day without the basic technology of today. most of us would not last past a few days after running out of tinned beans

Define "technology of the day" ?

If you want to compare the likes of Facebook etc and their impact on society with the basic function of a toilet then this quote .....

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

my god i've never read such a load of cow dung in my life. that was the ramblings of someone who believes he is right and tries to convince people he is right with big words.

Perfecly applies to your own post i think

SNAKEDOC

the world as we know it is all technology. yes a computer is classed as technology but a basic toilet or what we call basic is also technology. 500 years ago it would have been called witchcraft. swirling water in a porcelain bowl get the stake ready and light the torches lets start the witch hunt. running water plastic bottles tinned food glass windows its all technology it might not have a microchip or a plasma screen but technology none the less and my point weisses was that the people giving out about facial recognition and the dome of the world because of technology are the very ones using it all the time so they are hypocrites, stop the plunder of our freedom stop the spread of global technology but wait i still want my frothy mocha in the morning, after i check my facebook status on my i phone while sitting on the crapper. see where i'm going with this. technology is all around us it is inescapable so deal with it or go live with the Amish

weisses

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

the world as we know it is all technology. yes a computer is classed as technology but a basic toilet or what we call basic is also technology. 500 years ago it would have been called witchcraft. swirling water in a porcelain bowl get the stake ready and light the torches lets start the witch hunt. running water plastic bottles tinned food glass windows its all technology it might not have a microchip or a plasma screen but technology none the less and my point weisses was that the people giving out about facial recognition and the dome of the world because of technology are the very ones using it all the time so they are hypocrites, stop the plunder of our freedom stop the spread of global technology but wait i still want my frothy mocha in the morning, after i check my facebook status on my i phone while sitting on the crapper. see where i'm going with this. technology is all around us it is inescapable so deal with it or go live with the Amish

So basically your saying that if i have a big problem with the likes of Google, Facebook, every social media for that part and don't really like myself to be stored in databases all over the world i also should stay away from solar panels and all other technology used to better my own way of life just because its called technology ???? If you can't distinguish the different kinds of technology and its use then by all means use it all ... But saying that not wanting a Facebook account should result in me or anyone joining the Amish is a load off bull**** ... Technology is there to use it when you want but not to be forced upon you or to (maybe) be used against you later at the discretion of whoever decides it

CreepingDeath

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

36 million images per second would be the equivalent of scanning the entire population of the USA in 8.3 seconds or Europe in 20.2 seconds

"A new camera technology from Hitachi Hokusai Electric can scan days of camera footage instantly, and find any face which has EVER walked past it.

The ‘trick’ is that the camera ‘processes’ faces as it records, so that all faces which pass in front of it are recorded and stored instantly. Faces are stored as a searchable ‘biometric’ record, storing the unique....

There would be huge limitations to this system.
Typically, computer vision records faces based on the ratio of distances between key points, eg. the left and right edges of each eye, position of nose and mouth, and their sizes & distance relative to each other.

This is typically only accurate if you have a good resolution front facing shot of someone. Picking out faces in a crowd probably wouldn't work as their faces would be too small from a distance and that would introduce a lot more
errors in measuring their faces.

So, for each face that was "scanned" properly, a set of numeric ratios would be stored in a database. They might be able to scan in a new face at say 10 faces a second on a decent PC.
The 36 million faces a second metric, probably relates to comparing the new faces against a database of pre-scanned faces.
So it's a relatively straightforward database lookup against a table of numbers.

Even so, that doesn't mean it will return a unique record.
It's more likely you'd get back at least thousands of false positives all ranking in descending order of probability of being the correct face.

So this technology would probably only work in a nice controlled environment, like a police mugshot photo or airport security desk were lighting and face positions are predictable.

It can probably be programmed to have "watch lists" of faces, and if someone walks up to a security desk and their face resembles a terrorist then it will trigger an alarm.

SNAKEDOC

weisses wrote: »

Technology is there to use it when you want but not to be forced upon you or to (maybe) be used against you later at the discretion of whoever decides it

when is technology used against you. and who is the person deciding when to do it. i think that these days there are far to many people willing to freak over the smallest things. i;m glad you also mentioned using the technology you want. yes you can do that don't use facebook don't use a debit card or a mobile phone but don't be a hypocrite and say that these technologies are been forced upon us but yet you still use them. have you heard of the saying practice what you preach

weisses

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

when is technology used against you. and who is the person deciding when to do it. i think that these days there are far to many people willing to freak over the smallest things. i;m glad you also mentioned using the technology you want. yes you can do that don't use facebook don't use a debit card or a mobile phone but don't be a hypocrite and say that these technologies are been forced upon us but yet you still use them. have you heard of the saying practice what you preach

Different technologies ... different uses

Learn the difference and we talk further

Run_to_da_hills

CreepingDeath wrote: »

There would be huge limitations to this system.
Typically, computer vision records faces based on the ratio of distances between key points, eg. the left and right edges of each eye, position of nose and mouth, and their sizes & distance relative to each other.

This is typically only accurate if you have a good resolution front facing shot of someone. Picking out faces in a crowd probably wouldn't work as their faces would be too small from a distance and that would introduce a lot more
errors in measuring their faces.
.

The CCTV system can be set up and used in conjunction with other forms of scanning technology to assist the authorities get a more positive identification on an individual. such as picking up their mobiile phone signal in the proximity. I already posted a thread about the Broadcom 4752 chip that can pinpoing individuals to within centemetres.

hooradiation

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The CCTV system can be set up and used in conjunction with other forms of scanning technology to assist the authorities get a more positive identification on an individual.

[Citation needed]

Jonny7

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The CCTV system can be set up and used in conjunction with other forms of scanning technology to assist the authorities get a more positive identification on an individual. such as picking up their mobiile phone signal in the proximity. I already posted a thread about the Broadcom 4752 chip that can pinpoing individuals to within centemetres.

And the post office can read your mail..

And the telephone company can tap your phone..

And the neighbours can spy on you...

And your ISP can record and log all your details...

And your bank can disclose all your financial details..

Run_to_da_hills

Jonny7 wrote: »

And the post office can read your mail..

And the telephone company can tap your phone..

And the neighbours can spy on you...

And your ISP can record and log all your details...

And your bank can disclose all your financial details..

Yes, big brother is a terrible monster!

Jonny7

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Yes, big brother is a terrible monster!

True, but the first series was good.