Diamond Jubilee

KeithAFC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17438874

Was great to see her majesty the Queen rededicate herself to the United Kingdom today. With her visit to the Irish Republic and her great dignity towards the Irish people, perhaps this is the perfect time for people in the Republic to celebrate the up coming Jubilee. After all, Dublin has a big following of British traditions and Monarchists.

Lets hope this is the start to a new beginning.

Seems more suitable in here than AH but do you think there will be any celebrations and even political backing of this event in the Republic? Will be interesting to hear any views on this.

sarumite

KeithAFC wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17438874

Was great to see her majesty the Queen rededicate herself to the United Kingdom today. With her visit to the Irish Republic and her great dignity towards the Irish people, perhaps this is the perfect time for people in the Republic to celebrate the up coming Jubilee. After all, Dublin has a big following of British traditions and Monarchists.

Lets hope this is the start to a new beginning.

Seems more suitable in here than AH but do you think there will be any celebrations and even political backing of this event in the Republic? Will be interesting to hear any views on this.

At best, I personally think at this belongs in the cafe myself, but that's only my opinion. As for your question, if Irish people want to celebrate it/make reference to it more power to them. However I don't think there needs to be any official recognition. Afterall, she is not our monarch and if we were to make a special exception for this (non)event we would have to make it for every other (non)event and personally I think there are too many monarchs (or similar) in the world for that.

votecounts

I could be wrong but wasn't a similar thread closed by a Mod. A ban on the OP surely for trolling.

[MOD]Please just use the Report function if you believe something is trolling. Don't comment on thread, which will earn you an infraction even if the reported post is trolling.

For the record, a genuine belief that the Republic might in some way wish to mark a neighouring country's celebration is not trolling.[/MOD]

KeithAFC

votecounts wrote: »

I could be wrong but wasn't a similar thread closed by a Mod. A ban on the OP surely for trolling.

No. Mod said it would be more suitable in here.

pawrick

Can't see why we would celebrate this, it's barely news worthy here. No offence to UK meant.

KeithAFC

pawrick wrote: »

Can't see why we would celebrate this, it's barely news worthy here. No offence to UK meant.

Would have thought there would be some event from politicians given the recent visit last year? I think this could be a good time.

sarumite

KeithAFC wrote: »

Would have thought there would be some event from politicians given the recent visit last year? I think this could be a good time.

The President of Ireland visited London even more recently.

tiktock7aclock

As much as Irish people like to play it down, Ireland has inherited many customs and traditions from the UK, albeit alongside our own individual culture. The Common Law systems here is modelled around the UK model ffs. Anything that increases bonds between these two countries is a bonus. The UK is our largest trading partner, it's in our interests to cooperate further. At least they aren't disrespecting our country by leaking annual Government budgets like the Germans do in the Reichstag for example:mad:

p1akuw47h5r3it

I honestly couldn't give a ****e if it's her golden jubilee.

walshb

I am no royal lover but I have a lot of admiration for the Queen. To do what she has been doing for so long with such enthusiasm and passion at her age really is remarkable.

I have seen her many times on television, and must say, the only time I felt sorry for her at a function was when she was at Dublin Castle in May and she was made greet dozens and dozens of absolute nobodies for about 40 bloody minutes. I almost fainted just watching. It really was completely unnecessary, and muts have been very very tiring for her.

later12

KeithAFC wrote: »

Dublin has a big following of British traditions and Monarchists.

Monarchists? No, I don't believe there's any credible basis for that suggestion.

Ireland is by no means a template republic. And sure, quaintly frolicking about in breeches and hats might seem like fun.

Even so, celebrating monarchy would be a bewilderingly regressive step for any country describing itself as a Republic.

Lemming

I really doubt it would be 'celebrated' by organised events or such, but I should imagine that her jubilee would be acknowledged along with well-wishes by Enda Kenny and a few other politicians like Dublin city mayor on behalf of the Irish people.

gurramok

That big following of British traditions and Monarchists in Dublin is in the British Embassy Perhaps ex-pats might celebrate something outside officialdom in a private residence somewhere but I doubt it.

Brian?

Throw a party to say "well done for staying alive for so long" for a woman who is head of state next door by accident of birth? Seems fairly pointless to me.

darkman2

The OP smells like a troll tbh. In no way shape or form is Dublin "monarchist".:rolleyes:

KeithAFC

darkman2 wrote: »

The OP smells like a troll tbh. In no way shape or form is Dublin "monarchist".:rolleyes:

This is not true. Dublin does still have many people who believe in Monarchy and British traditions. There is still plenty of people who support Monarchism in the Republic.

later12

KeithAFC wrote: »

TDublin does still have many people who believe in Monarchy

What constitutes "many"?

Where are you getting this idea?

darkman2

KeithAFC wrote: »

This is not true. Dublin does still have many people who believe in Monarchy and British traditions. There is still plenty of people who support Monarchism in the Republic.

No, there isn't. I can say that without any fear of contradiction.

tiktock7aclock

I don't fully agree with the Monarchism comment, but you can't argue Irish people don't take an interest in the Royal Family. You only need to look at the TV statistics for proof. I know many people who were glued to the TV for the Royal Wedding, yet some claim it's not the case:) It was a big topic in the news last year.

Brian?

KeithAFC wrote: »

This is not true. Dublin does still have many people who believe in Monarchy and British traditions. There is still plenty of people who support Monarchism in the Republic.

No there aren't. There might be some people, a tiny amount.

Given that I lived in Dublin for 33 years and never met one of them, I am damn sure there are not "plenty" of them.

darkman2

Never met one either. Not a single one.

K-9

KeithAFC wrote: »

This is not true. Dublin does still have many people who believe in Monarchy and British traditions. There is still plenty of people who support Monarchism in the Republic.

Can't think of any. I'd say it's more a "how the UK governs itself is up to them" type feeling, not to be construed as support for the monarchy.

woodoo

Kieth it wouldn't kill you to call this country by its proper name. It is Ireland not the Irish Republic.

I had to google what the diamond jubilee was about. I have no interest in it. I don't mind aul Lizzie as a person she seems like a nice woman. I think the monarchy will suffer massively whatever time she goes though.

meglome

KeithAFC wrote: »

This is not true. Dublin does still have many people who believe in Monarchy and British traditions. There is still plenty of people who support Monarchism in the Republic.

Personally never met any, though I'm sure they could exist. Most Irish people I've come across don't see the point of a monarchy.

If the UK wants to have some nice pomp for visitors good luck to them. I personally can't ever except that someone is better or should automatically be respected by virtue of their birth, makes no sense.

sarumite

woodoo wrote: »

Kieth it wouldn't kill you to call this country by its proper name. It is Ireland not the Irish Republic.

I had to google what the diamond jubilee was about. I have no interest in it. I don't mind aul Lizzie as a person she seems like a nice woman. I think the monarchy will suffer massively whatever time she goes though.

I agree about calling the country by its right name....of course the same thing could be asked about people when referring to a head of state.

RichardAnd

I would congratulate Her Majesty. People here can play it down if they wish but the Queen has reigned with dignity and respect for six decades and has preformed very well in her role as the Head of State for many nations.

Only one other British monarch has held the throne for over sixty years, Queen Victoria. It's a rare event historically for our closest neighbours and it's not simply about the Queen herself.

woodoo

RichardAnd wrote: »

I would congratulate Her Majesty. People here can play it down if they wish but the Queen has reigned with dignity and respect for six decades and has preformed very well in her role as the Head of State for many nations.

Only one other British monarch has held the throne for over sixty years, Queen Victoria. It's a rare event historically for our closest neighbours and it's not simply about the Queen herself.

Aul Lizzie has some stamina

deise go deo

Can someone explain why we should care about an unelected foreign head of state's birthday?

I don't care about Michael D's birthday, I am hardly going to care about the British Monarch's.

Wibbs

briankeating wrote: »

No there aren't. There might be some people, a tiny amount.

Given that I lived in Dublin for 33 years and never met one of them, I am damn sure there are not "plenty" of them.

Ditto. Even among types that would be accused of being dyed in the wool "Jackeen west brits". Oh sure you'll get plenty of oul wans reading about Kate's new dress in Hello magazine and the like, but they're hardly monarchists. Not unless Cheryl Cole is also a member of the extended Windsor clan.

As for the Jubilee itself? Yes we should certainly of course send representatives to the knees up as a further bonding thing. I presume we are/will/have? These two islands have a shared cultural history going back many thousands of years, back to the late stone age, never mind our financial links. The further we each go to foster renewed links into the future the better.

junder

Perhaps the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge would be able to parade through thier capital city. The jubilee could be a perfect chance for some reconciliation among some of your own country men and of course it would be seen in a very positively up here in northern Ireland.

sarumite

junder wrote: »

Perhaps the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge would be able to parade through thier capital city. The jubilee could be a perfect chance for some reconciliation among some of your own country men and of course it would be seen in a very positively up here in northern Ireland.

I don't see why the Jubilee (the celebration of another countries monarch) would be a "perfect chance" for reconciliation amongst Irelands "own country men".

NinjaK

How is this troll still here?

number10a

briankeating wrote: »

No there aren't. There might be some people, a tiny amount.

Given that I lived in Dublin for 33 years and never met one of them, I am damn sure there are not "plenty" of them.

Ah, but Keith has been to Dublin once, you see. Or was it twice?

Chuck Stone

NinjaK wrote: »

How is this troll still here?

Goat meat in abundance.

Bullseye1

If the monarchy wasn't a sectarian institution then maybe people would be more open to sending their congratulations. There is some way to go in British politics, the fact that the constitution discriminates against Catholics being PM or sitting on the throne speaks for itself.

junder

sarumite wrote: »

junder wrote: »

Perhaps the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge would be able to parade through thier capital city. The jubilee could be a perfect chance for some reconciliation among some of your own country men and of course it would be seen in a very positively up here in northern Ireland.

I don't see why the Jubilee (the celebration of another countries monarch) would be a "perfect chance" for reconciliation amongst Irelands "own country men".

Because it would show those Fellow country men of yours that their British idenity is welcome as much as anybody elses in the republic, and that they are able to celebrate things that are important to them

sarumite

junder wrote: »

Because it would show those Fellow country men of yours that their British idenity is welcome as much as anybody elses in the republic, and that they are able to celebrate things that are important to them

As I said in my first response, if thet want to celebrate it then more power to them. I certainly don't think they should be stopped. However I don't think the Irish government needs to officially celebrate their British identity (for the record, I don't think Britian needs to officially celebrate Paddy's day either). That would imply that their British identity is no more or less welcome than any other in Ireland.

Defiler Of The Coffin

KeithAFC wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17438874

Was great to see her majesty the Queen rededicate herself to the United Kingdom today. With her visit to the Irish Republic and her great dignity towards the Irish people, perhaps this is the perfect time for people in the Republic to celebrate the up coming Jubilee. After all, Dublin has a big following of British traditions and Monarchists.

Lets hope this is the start to a new beginning.

Seems more suitable in here than AH but do you think there will be any celebrations and even political backing of this event in the Republic? Will be interesting to hear any views on this.

Personally I wouldn't be hostile to a celebration of the jubilee but what form would it take? Could we really justify spending money on a foreign monarch's celebration when finances here are still so tight? I don't really think there is any desire among the public here to mark it in any way.

I also would have no problem with junder's suggestion of Orange marches being allowed to go ahead but again that brings up issues with financing the policing of such an event, you can guarantee we would have scenes like the Love Ulster parade from a few years ago, unfortunate as that is.

woodoo

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

I also would have no problem with junder's suggestion of Orange marches being allowed to go ahead but again that brings up issues with financing the policing of such an event, you can guarantee we would have scenes like the Love Ulster parade from a few years ago, unfortunate as that is.

We would end up with loyalist thugs coming down to act the grey rat and cause problems.

Its bad enough when a repugnant, horrible, vile (i could go on) bigot like Willie Frazer seems adamant he gets to march through Dublin. Without others with impure motives joining in.

Shea O'Meara

KeithAFC wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17438874

Was great to see her majesty the Queen rededicate herself to the United Kingdom today. With her visit to the Irish Republic and her great dignity towards the Irish people, perhaps this is the perfect time for people in the Republic to celebrate the up coming Jubilee. After all, Dublin has a big following of British traditions and Monarchists.

Lets hope this is the start to a new beginning.

Seems more suitable in here than AH but do you think there will be any celebrations and even political backing of this event in the Republic? Will be interesting to hear any views on this.

Obama will hopefully get another term. I think he's good for the states and better for the world, especially when compared to Romney
His trip here was fine and dandy. After all we've always had strong connections with the states.
This is the thread for commenting on foreign figures?
The Queen? Yawn........ Depending on the topic she's either a feisty broad representing the Empire or a dignified lady who is simply a figure head and in no way affiliated with any murders, invasions or other British war crimes....moot point, person, the British taxpayers burden.

Shea O'Meara

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Personally I wouldn't be hostile to a celebration of the jubilee but what form would it take? Could we really justify spending money on a foreign monarch's celebration when finances here are still so tight? I don't really think there is any desire among the public here to mark it in any way.

I also would have no problem with junder's suggestion of Orange marches being allowed to go ahead but again that brings up issues with financing the policing of such an event, you can guarantee we would have scenes like the Love Ulster parade from a few years ago, unfortunate as that is.

People need to be realistic. If simply trying to stir a thread, that's between them and the MODs, but if a real runner I expect we'll throw a parade when the winners of the next U.S. or French presidential races are announced. Makes as much logic, except maybe a little more as those guys count on the world stage.
I love the Queen she reminds me of how amused I am by tax paying loyalists

timesnap

Why don't people leave an old woman alone?
She had no choice into what family she was born.
In the referendum on the Good Friday agreement the 32 counties voted YES by 90% approx.
It is time to grow up and accept this if you believe in Democracy.

Why do people insist on destroying the good work of many people who worked to bring peace to this island?

IMO any peace loving person should welcome that.
We gave up our Constitutional claim to the six Counties.
the UK dropped its claim to own the six Counties and said if the Demographics change they will not prevent a referendum in the six Counties to join the other 26.

Border-Rat

Isn't it true that the 'Queen' can murder someone and technically not be charged? I'll never understand Monarchists. Adoring and giving authority and money to people who have not earned it. Off with their heads!

junder

woodoo wrote: »

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

I also would have no problem with junder's suggestion of Orange marches being allowed to go ahead but again that brings up issues with financing the policing of such an event, you can guarantee we would have scenes like the Love Ulster parade from a few years ago, unfortunate as that is.

We would end up with loyalist thugs coming down to act the grey rat and cause problems.

Its bad enough when a repugnant, horrible, vile (i could go on) bigot like Willie Frazer seems adamant he gets to march through Dublin. Without others with impure motives joining in.

What has William frazer got to do with the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge? I take it when you are refering to 'loyalists' you are talking about northern Irish loyslists? Again what has this to do with the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge?

timesnap

Border-Rat wrote: »

Isn't it true that the 'Queen' can murder someone and technically not be charged? I'll never understand Monarchists. Adoring and giving authority and money to people who have not earned it. Off with their heads!

Well She would have defend herself from herself because anybody in court in the UK is summoned on behalf of the crown.:D

Fratton Fred

Border-Rat wrote: »

Isn't it true that the 'Queen' can murder someone and technically not be charged? I'll never understand Monarchists. Adoring and giving authority and money to people who have not earned it. Off with their heads!

Technically, so can foreign diplomats.

Continuity Wolfe Tone

Truth be told I had pretty much forgotten about it. Now that I've been reminded about it I can go back to not caring about a foreign head of states party or whatever the celebrations consist of.

Batsy

later12 wrote: »

celebrating monarchy would be a bewilderingly regressive step for any country describing itself as a Republic.

Why?

You make it sound as though being a republic is superior to being a constitutional monarchy.

Batsy

deise go deo wrote: »

Can someone explain why we should care about an unelected foreign head of state's birthday?

The Diamond Jubilee is not her birthday. The Diamond Jubilee celebrates the fact that Elizabeth II has been Head of State for 60 years. It celebrates the lovely continuity that our constitutional monarchy brings, such as the fact that since 1952 Britain has had just the one Head of State whereas Ireland has had eight. It celebrates the fact that your Head of State was just 11 years old when our Head of State came to the throne.

Batsy

Bullseye1 wrote: »

If the monarchy wasn't a sectarian institution then maybe people would be more open to sending their congratulations. There is some way to go in British politics, the fact that the constitution discriminates against Catholics being PM or sitting on the throne speaks for itself.

Yeah. How silly the British are for wanting the Head of the Church of England to be a member of the Church of England. I think they've got that seriously wrong.

And if the British monarchy is sectarian then what does that make your beloved Pope? I find it sickening that in this day and age Protestants are not allowed to become Pope. It's just discrimination.

Batsy

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

moot point, person, the British taxpayers burden.

And I suppose that your ceremonial Head of State comes free?