situps quistion.

superstoner90

I done 100 situps the other night and my abdoman/stomach muscles hurt(even worse when I laugh) the past 2 or 3 days. why is this? also should this be happening?

thanks in advance.

Hanley

superstoner90 wrote: »

I done 100 situps the other night and my abdoman/stomach muscles hurt(even worse when I laugh) the past 2 or 3 days. why is this? also should this be happening?

thanks in advance.

The pain is usually peaks 48 hours after a workout and depending on your training exp and what you did, could take a week to go. In extreme cases.

superstoner90

Hanley wrote: »

The pain is usually peaks 48 hours after a workout and depending on your training exp and what you did, could take a week to go. In extreme cases.

Ah right, they were the only push ups ive done in the last 6 or 7 months atleast. So thats a good sign that is happening? Does that mean that im doing it right/that its working?

thanks
ss90

erkifino

Not that I'm a pro or anything, but be careful not to overdo it. No point in injuring yourself. I'd go with trying to do a smaller amount everyday as opposed going nuts once a week. Build yourself up.

Like I said though, I'm not a pro...

superstoner90

erkifino wrote: »

Not that I'm a pro or anything, but be careful not to overdo it. No point in injuring yourself. I'd go with trying to do a smaller amount everyday as opposed going nuts once a week. Build yourself up.

Like I said though, I'm not a pro...

I try not too go nuts :pac:, So should I do about 20 - 30 a day instead of 100 aweek?

Dermighty

Do them until you feel it getting more difficult, you can either keep going to failure (ie: where you can't complete a full repetition) or you can stop before that.

In my opinion 100 isn't a lot, but if you're doing them every day you're not really giving yourself a chance to recover.

Try doing them every two or three days, you're abs don't need a daily workout

nice_guy80

cutting junk out of your diet and doing proper front and side plank holds for 20-30secs would be much more effective than 100 sit ups

superstoner90

nice_guy80 wrote: »

cutting junk out of your diet and doing proper front and side plank holds for 20-30secs would be much more effective than 100 sit ups

Which evers the quickest way to get a six pac. :cool:

Mellor

Neither is a quick way to a six pack.

Your abs aren't visible because they are covered in fat. Not because you don't do enough sit ups.

superstoner90

Mellor wrote: »

Neither is a quick way to a six pack.

Your abs aren't visible because they are covered in fat. Not because you don't do enough sit ups.

So I have to diet?

Spunge

Arent weighted situps better if you are doing that many ?

like put a few kg behind year head or on your chest youll only be able to do a few but resistance will be awesome.

Barry.Oglesby

I know it's not cool to say this, but you do also have to hypertrophy your abs to get a six pack. Sit ups help.

yosser hughes

I'm confused.Is there any point to sit-ups at all? I understand that people must reduce fat for abs to become visible but should you exercise the abdominals as well or is it more trouble than it's worth for the effort involved?

Dubhlinner

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

I know it's not cool to say this, but you do also have to hypertrophy your abs to get a six pack. Sit ups help.

Was just wondering about this the other day.

I don't do them but I do the usual squat/deadlift/bench/pull up/overhead press based weekly routine and getting decent results. Would anything in that work my abs or should I add in something for them?

El Horseboxo

Every second day I do a full abs workout separate to my main workout. Doing planks, toe touches, supermans etc and other core strengthening exercises are great for just that. Strengthening my core. But I also need to hit them heavy to get my six pack well defined. Exercises such as weighted crunches and side bends, hanging leg raises, reverse crunches and cable crunches. I'm lucky that even when bulking my abs show to an extent. So I always keep up hitting my abs hard so when I go into a cut I'm not starting from scratch and it doesn't take long to have them really defined.

So I wouldn't say they are a waste of time. Although I do prefer crunches to actual sit ups. Safer and allow me to work them harder and keep the tension on them.

Barry.Oglesby

Ab stuff is cheap. Do it just treat it less like an endurance exercise and more like strength/hypertrophy work.

superstoner90

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Ab stuff is cheap. Do it just treat it less like an endurance exercise and more like strength/hypertrophy work.

Ab stuff? Are they like the stairoids or the powder you mix in with milk?

Barry.Oglesby

Ooooh kay.

superstoner90

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Ooooh kay.

Right il refraze that. What is ab stuff? But what i ment was the protein powder.

sallyr

superstoner90 wrote: »

Ah right, they were the only push ups ive done in the last 6 or 7 months atleast. So thats a good sign that is happening? Does that mean that im doing it right/that its working?

thanks
ss90

Well usually your only supposed to do a few starting off and build up the amount overtime!

Barry.Oglesby

superstoner90 wrote: »

Right il refraze that. What is ab stuff? But what i ment was the protein powder.

Okay, I thought you were trolling for a second.

By ab stuff I meant abdominal training. For me though your first stop should be on how to do basic movements like pull ups, dips, push ups, lunges, squats and so on. Add in some planks, sit ups and so on and you'll be off to a good start.

superstoner90

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Okay, I thought you were trolling for a second.

By ab stuff I meant abdominal training. For me though your first stop should be on how to do basic movements like pull ups, dips, push ups, lunges, squats and so on. Add in some planks, sit ups and so on and you'll be off to a good start.

Its grand, im just not great at explaning things:o

Aw I get you now thanks.

Dermighty

superstoner90 wrote: »

I done 100 situps the other night and my abdoman/stomach muscles hurt(even worse when I laugh) the past 2 or 3 days. why is this? also should this be happening?

thanks in advance.

Best abs workout I can do is squats, they kick the crap out of my abs.

Hanley

Dermighty wrote: »

Beat abs workout I can do is squats, they kick the crap out of my abs.

I wish I'd a QI style claxon I'd could ring everytime someone comes out with this sorta stuff.

Squats aren't all that great. Your abs do a hell of a lot of other things too.

Barry.Oglesby

Dermighty wrote: »

Beat abs workout I can do is squats, they kick the crap out of my abs.

Maybe_Memories

Somewhat related question...

I can't do sit-ups. Why? I can do everything else, just not sit-ups...

By the way I mean the sit-ups where your feet aren't under anything just free. When I get myself up a certain distance my feet tend to rise off the floor.


Also, aren't sit-ups meant to be bad for your lower back?

Dermighty

Hanley wrote: »

I wish I'd a QI style claxon I'd could ring everytime someone comes out with this sorta stuff.

Squats aren't all that great. Your abs do a hell of a lot of other things too.

Even though I exercise my abs, obliques and my core separately also, I find that squats work them all better than isolation.

How is that doing it wrong...

Also, another well informed and well thought out post by Barry Oglesby, +1 to your asshole credibility

Hanley

Dermighty wrote: »

Even though I exercise my abs, obliques and my core separately also, I find that squats work them all better than isolation.

How is that doing it wrong...

Also, another well informed and well thought out post by Barry Oglesby, +1 to your asshole credibility

How have you decided upon your finding?

Dermighty

Hanley wrote: »

How have you decided upon your finding?

Personally, I found that isometric contractions with heavy weights involved (ie: your core and abs being braced/tensed during a squat) gave me more strength and definition than isolation work (weights crunches, leg raises, side bends, twists (olympic and russian))

Barry.Oglesby

You "find that" because you've been told by the internet to find that. It's bull****. If you want to strengthen your core, you need to do things that strengthen your core. File it under "do squats for bigger arms".

And just because I don't write an essay to everyone who believes this sort of broscience doesn't make me an asshole, it just makes me a little busier than you. A picture tells a thousand words they say.

BO-JANGLES

I follow an 8 min workout on youtube,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkKCVCZe474

I do this every second day and find it really helpful.

Good luck!

Hanley

Dermighty wrote: »

Personally, I found that isometric contractions with heavy weights involved (ie: your core and abs being braced/tensed during a squat) gave me more strength and definition than isolation work (weights crunches, leg raises, side bends, twists (olympic and russian))

Well then I just think you're plain wrong tbh. Or were doing the wrong exercises.

I think squats can be good for core strength, yes. BUT I don't think they should be anyones "go to" either because they've a massive recovery debt if you're just looking for core training, they're dependent on the person having sufficient mobility and skill to execute the exercise and a ton of other factors. They ignore the anti rotation element, there's no QL recruitment and there's a much higher risk of injury than with other core exercises - esp if the core is already a weakpoint.

Plus the type of strength is a factor to consider too. Like here's a golden example that happened with me - I've very strong legs and linear stability, but I was rolling one day and tried to bridge out of side control, I wasn't able to lock my core down so my hips and shoulders stated orientated the same way, and then there was a massive tearing in my ribs as a result (ie insufficient anti-rotational strength). That's not something that can EVER be trained with squats, and probably only gets worse the stronger your squat gets (because you're not developing more power thru a structure not capable of handing it).

I actually think anti-rotation is probably one of the most important qualities, especially in a sporting context.

I generally try to avoid super qualifying all my responses because each post would turn into a book, but I tried to prempt your next response!!

g'em

Dermighty wrote: »

Also, another well informed and well thought out post by Barry Oglesby, +1 to your asshole credibility

Oh I see what you did there. The smiley face was meant to hide the abuse? Shame I'm colour blind.

Banned.

Doug Cartel

Maybe_Memories wrote: »

Also, aren't sit-ups meant to be bad for your lower back?

If you do them wrong or don't balance them out with other exercises, then they can leave you fairly wrecked - though I guess the same could be said of even the much venerated squat.

My problem with sit-ups is that I think people put too much emphasis on them, they're one of the most common exercises but there's a load of other stuff you should be sorting out before you worry about sit-ups.

Barry.Oglesby

Doug Cartel wrote: »

If you do them wrong or don't balance them out with other exercises, then they can leave you fairly wrecked - though I guess the same could be said of even the much venerated squat.

My problem with sit-ups is that I think people put too much emphasis on them, they're one of the most common exercises but there's a load of other stuff you should be sorting out before you worry about sit-ups.

The problem is with the repetitions. Same as things like upright rows, front raises etc. etc. They're not the best exercise in the world to begin with, but then people do things like 400 reps a night to "skulpt" them and that's when the trouble begins. Personally I stay away from anything that involves flexion of the lumbar region generally.

kraggy

Can someone post a vid of the correct way to do sit ups. Lots of sites shiw different ways. Which is correct?

Maybe_Memories

Doug Cartel wrote: »

If you do them wrong or don't balance them out with other exercises, then they can leave you fairly wrecked - though I guess the same could be said of even the much venerated squat.

My problem with sit-ups is that I think people put too much emphasis on them, they're one of the most common exercises but there's a load of other stuff you should be sorting out before you worry about sit-ups.

I'm only bothering with them because I need to be able to do at least 20 to get into the Air Corp. Presently I can barely manage 5, yet I can do about 30 crunches.

Although it's really more "half-sits" I need to be able to do...

Doug Cartel

Maybe_Memories wrote: »

I'm only bothering with them because I need to be able to do at least 20 to get into the Air Corp.

Got to love those completely arbitrary tests.

Still though, 20 is not a crazy number of situps. Just keep chipping away at it, and be sensible about any stiffness or twinges you get in your back and you should get there soon enough.

JayRoc

Hanley wrote: »

I actually think anti-rotation is probably one of the most important qualities, especially in a sporting context.

Agreed.

El Horseboxo

I'd be long past feeling anything in my abs from squats and I'm squatting a fair amount. The core strengthening exercises I do have helped me squat more as I can support more weight but I don't think squatting actually done much for my core. Maybe in the early stages. But certainly not as much as serratus crunches, half get ups and weighted planks. My core strength went through the roof as soon as I got good at those and also some other stability exercises.

discus

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Got to love those completely arbitrary tests.

Arbitrary tests? If that test wasn't in place, there could potentially be an Air Corps Officer who isn't strong enough to 20 bloody sit ups :eek:

Besides, I'd say the panel would weed out anyone who struggled to complete 20!

Maybe_Memories

discus wrote: »

Arbitrary tests? If that test wasn't in place, there could potentially be an Air Corps Officer who isn't strong enough to 20 bloody sit ups :eek:

Besides, I'd say the panel would weed out anyone who struggled to complete 20!

Exactly, which is why I don't want to just get the minimum of 20, I want to smash it and get about 40-50.

Mellor

Dermighty wrote:

Even though I exercise my abs, obliques and my core separately also, I find that squats work them all better than isolation.

Dermighty wrote: »

Personally, I found that isometric contractions with heavy weights involved (ie: your core and abs being braced/tensed during a squat) gave me more strength and definition than isolation work (weights crunches, leg raises, side bends, twists (olympic and russian))

How could you possible know what strength came from squats and what strength came from isolation???