Double standards for groping

cloptrop

So Dermot O leary stands near a crowd of women doing his job. One of them starts pulling the arse of him , its just a bit of fun apparantly .
If it was Holly Willoughby and I was grabbing at her Id be arrested. I want that woman brought to book. Or even Hollys bum.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2116695/Dermot-gets-groped-woman-X-Factor-auditions.html

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Sexism or racism, then?

cloptrop

Kimberly Drab Venom wrote: »

Sexism or racism, then?

SCOTTISH ACCENT : "who knows you decide" ....... oops that was big brother wasnt it.
Dermots ass wasnt in that.

MickySticks

Tupac groped Dermot O'Learys arse?

Johro

It's hard to find the words to describe how little I care about this. It wasn't really newsworthy, was it?
If it was, it must be about time for another good meteor strike.

cloptrop

Johro wrote: »

It's hard to find the words to describe how little I care about this. It wasn't really newsworthy, was it?
If it was, it must be about time for another good meteor strike.

How would the staff at meteor going on strike help raise awareness for racism/sexism? Get me a shot of Holly?

MrJoeSoap

cloptrop wrote: »

So Dermot O leary stands near a crowd of women doing his job.

Why were a crowd of women doing his job?

Johro

cloptrop wrote: »

How would the staff at meteor going on strike help raise awareness for racism/sexism? Get me a shot of Holly?

Yeah... That's right.

Tea_Bag

cloptrop wrote: »

I want that woman brought to book.

Should hit her with a little ghetto gospel.

Jesus Wept

The Tupac case was somewhat different, by somewhat I mean entirely.

Wiki wrote:

Rape charge
In November 1993, Shakur and others were charged with sexually assaulting a woman in a hotel room. According to the complaint, Shakur sodomized the woman and then encouraged his friends to sexually abuse her. Shakur denied the charges. According to Shakur, he had prior relations days earlier with the woman; she performed oral sex on him on a club dance floor and the two later had consensual sex in his hotel room. The complainant claimed sexual assault after her second visit to Shakur's hotel room; she alleged that Shakur and his entourage raped her.[39][40] Shakur claimed that he fell asleep shortly after the woman arrived and later awoke to her accusations and legal threats. In the ensuing trial, Shakur was convicted of sexual abuse. In sentencing Shakur to 1½–4½ years in prison, the judge described the crime as "an act of brutal violence against a helpless woman."[41][42][43] After serving part of his sentence, Shakur was released on bail pending appeal. On April 5, 1996, a judge sentenced him to serve 120 days in jail for violating terms of his release on bail.[44]

cloptrop

But is groping stranger members of the opposite sex in public socially acceptable now . It is near nightclub chucking out time can I use a copy of the daily mail as my defence if the police have a problem with my new behaviour?

RMD

There's 2 things that are very hard to charge a woman with, sexual harassment and domestic abuse. It's always assumed they'll be the victim. Bullshít in fairness.

Johro

cloptrop wrote: »

I want that woman brought to book.

But it's nothing to do with you. If Dermot O'Leary wants her 'brought to book' he can make an official complaint. I doubt he's arsed, excuse the pun. If he did, then there'd be a story. A minor one.

cloptrop

The-Rigger wrote: »

The Tupac case was somewhat different, by somewhat I mean entirely.

Yep exact same thing , your right , I think she should get prison time too.

cloptrop

Johro wrote: »

But it's nothing to do with you. If Dermot O'Leary wants her 'brought to book' he can make an official complaint. I doubt he's arsed, excuse the pun. If he did, then there'd be a story. A minor one.

It has everything to do with me , why is she allowed grope whom she likes when I cant , who will she grope next ?

Johro

cloptrop wrote: »

It has everything to do with me , why is she allowed grope whom she likes when I cant , who will she grope next ?

Ah, so you're jealous.

cloptrop

Johro wrote: »

Ah, so you're jealous.

Yes I said at the start I want to go around groping random women but the law wont let me, why is the law letting her?
Shes not even good looking.

Sindri

cloptrop wrote: »

It has everything to do with me , why is she allowed grope whom she likes when I cant , who will she grope next ?

The legal definition of what your espousing is called rape.

cloptrop

Sindri wrote: »

The legal definition of what your espousing is called rape.

Jumble the word rape uup and it becomes ear p , thats worse than rape if you ask me

cloptrop

Youd catch earpees off that haha herpes get it get it see what i did there.

Naomi00

RMD wrote: »

There's 2 things that are very hard to charge a woman with, sexual harassment and domestic abuse. It's always assumed they'll be the victim. Bullshít in fairness.

Eh, stuff like that happens to me on nights out all the time, even when walking down the street etc. It really annoys me that I can't do anything about it and it's sick that some of them are way older than me, and obviously I don't go around grabbing random guy's asses. But none of those men are going to be charged with harassment, so why should a woman be?

cloptrop

Naomi00 wrote: »

Eh, stuff like that happens to me on nights out all the time, even when walking down the street etc. It really annoys me that I can't do anything about it and it's sick that some of them are way older than me, and obviously I don't go around grabbing random guy's asses. But none of those men are going to be charged with harassment, so why should a woman be?

Eh because there is photographic evidence of her sex assault.

Naomi00

cloptrop wrote: »

Eh because there is photographic evidence of her sex assault.

And surely there's CCTV 'evidence' of the thousands of times this happened to random people in pubs & nightclubs etc over the weekend and every other weekend of the year? :rolleyes:

Just because there was a picture in the newspaper doesn't mean she has to get in trouble for it, especially as no one makes a big deal out of it when it happens to a girl.

cloptrop

Naomi00 wrote: »

And surely there's CCTV 'evidence' of the thousands of times this happened to random people in pubs & nightclubs etc over the weekend and every other weekend of the year? :rolleyes:

So you think I could go out tonight and grab random womens arses , not just a quick grab but pull a few different faces whilst at it , in front of reporters with cameras and get away with it , even get a favourable right up in the paper about it. Imagine I was a black man doing it , Id be vilified, but if a white girl does it its cheeky and funny and if Dermot complains sure hes a spoilsport. Id say he wants to keep his bum for his missus, what right has this sex offender got to grab at it.

later12

Sorry but I do actually have sympathy with the OP's position on this, even if it was worded badly. It's not really comparable with Tupac.

I have sometimes been in pubs and clubs where (ok, drunken) women have grabbed my crotch, and telling them that it's not acceptable to do that doesn't go down well. Nor do accusations of being queer when a very forward woman (shoving her boobs in your face kinda forward) won't take No for an answer. By no means do I think I am God's gift or a Dermot O Leary, by all accounts this is something that normal, everyday guys seem to encounter. Some just find it less acceptable than others, and I happen not to find it acceptable at all.

Taken from the OP's article. Imagine the news article:

[He] even pulled a comical face while taking advantage of [Willoughby], who had no idea what was about to happen to [her].

The former Big Brother's Little Brother host took it all in [her] stride and shared a joke with the random [guy] as she burst out laughing.

An X Factor hopeful told The People: 'Grabbing [her] behind clearly made [his] day.'

Sindri

Naomi00 wrote: »

And surely there's CCTV 'evidence' of the thousands of times this happened to random people in pubs & nightclubs etc over the weekend and every other weekend of the year? :rolleyes:

Just because there was a picture in the newspaper doesn't mean she has to get in trouble for it, especially as no one makes a big deal out of it when it happens to a girl.

Well if it was me my penis would be outraged.

Johro

'The former Big Brother's Little Brother star took it all in his stride and shared a joke with the random girl as she burst out laughing'

Oh the humanity...
Personally I think the Daily Mail reporter should be severely punished for describing Dermot's arse as 'the TV star's pert rear'. :rolleyes:

cloptrop

Tupac claimed to only grab the girls ass and apparantly was done on sex assault and not rape.
Just because Dermot laughed it off doesnt make it ok , he had to , itd be bad for his career if he didnt , just like a secretaries in the 50s would be expected to laugh off a tap on the arse from the boss.

Sindri

cloptrop wrote: »

Tupac claimed to only grab the girls ass and apparantly was done on sex assault and not rape.
Just because Dermot laughed it off doesnt make it ok , he had to , itd be bad for his career if he didnt , just like a secretaries in the 50s would be expected to laugh off a tap on the arse from the boss.

Pure class from the Fleischers here yet again.

Damn you Hays Act, :mad: DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!! :mad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-HS9trlXJs

guitarzero

I cant understand why groping someones ass is such a big issue *ponders the idea of some stranger groping my mam's ass*, yeah... exactly, that Tupac son of a bitch had it comin', the filthy deviant!!!

Dudess

2pac neva 4gotten tug 4 lyf only d gud dy yng xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <3<3<3<3 :(:(:(;(;_;

cloptrop

Dudess wrote: »

2pac neva 4gotten tug 4 lyf only d gud dy yng xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <3<3<3 :(:(:(;(;_;

Tupac didnt invent thug life he just dicovered and diagnosed it. Doctors discover a problem they get medals , but tupac gets jail .
True story according to the king of nursery ryhmes.
Anyhu if Dermot farted whilst this girl was fingering him could she sue?

The King of Moo

Which would you prefer OP: both male and female gropers being guilty of assault, or everyone free to grope with impunity?

Being groped is not nice for anyone, of either gender, though some women have told me that being groped by a guy can be quite intimidating, as generally the guy will be bigger and stronger, normally not an issue when a guy is groped by a gal.
It also seems to be the case, in nightclubs at least, that more girls are groped compared to those who grope.

It is wrong that there's a double standard, but I do see where it comes from.

Dudess

Nobody should grope anyone's arse without consent. Culturally though, it's taken less seriously if it happens to a man. Not saying that's right - I think it's obnoxious carry-on and I wouldn't do it - but that's the reality. Maybe it'd help if it was taken more seriously.

cloptrop

Exactly that slut of a dermot fondler should be strung up as an example.

guitarzero

I've never minded someone groping my ass, but then I'm a man and a lot less sexually repressed.

cloptrop

What if your granny started pulling the will nots off ye?

chin_grin

Tupac. E still alive blud, innit?

TanG411

If you're groped, you should have every right to grope them in return. If they're ugly, you can sue.

Chuck Stone

He was askin' for it innit - stickin' his arse in her face like that the dirty man-whore.

mconigol

That's no woman :eek:

I call shenanigans!

up for anything

She should be given life for what she did. He should be given the death penalty for crimes against fashion.. what is with those jeans he's wearing! :eek:

V_Moth

Sindri wrote: »

Pure class from the Fleischers here yet again.

Damn you Hays Act, :mad: DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!! :mad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-HS9trlXJs

Those old cartoons are just so strange by todays standards. Here is another good one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lj4aXy-RKc

Mr.Biscuits

Damn, I walked right past Miriam O'Callaghan as she interviewed Martin Sheen a few weeks back at JDIFF. I should have gave her arse a good groping and then just said: "Ah sure it clearly made her day". Opportunity missed.

I had to Google Holly Willoughby 'cause I had no idea who she was. To be fair, I'd let her grope me too.

the purple tin

Naomi00 wrote: »

Eh, stuff like that happens to me on nights out all the time, even when walking down the street etc. It really annoys me that I can't do anything about it and it's sick that some of them are way older than me, and obviously I don't go around grabbing random guy's asses. But none of those men are going to be charged with harassment, so why should a woman be?

Why are you just accepting it
Plenty of men have been charged for doing it before. If you just let them away with it scot free they'll keep on doing it.

Mr.Biscuits

the purple tin wrote: »

Plenty of men have been charged for doing it before. If you just let them away with it scot free they'll keep on doing it.

Can't ever see women getting charged for groping guys to the same degree that men do when the victim is a woman, as in general, society just doesn't see the two acts in same light. People just laugh when women assault guys in this manner. Heck, physical violence by women on men is often laughed at, never-mind mere groping.

Seen the following video a while back and I hope this woman got charged, as if it was a guy, he'd being doing time for attempted rape of a minor for sure:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82118689/

alphabeat

In other news ...

IDIOT READS THE MAIL

120_Minutes

should be a law passed: guy gets his ass groped by a woman, he gets to feel her tits in return.

problem solved.

Lord TSC

120_Minutes wrote: »

should be a law passed: guy gets his ass groped by a woman, he gets to feel her tits in return.

problem solved.

I guess you could say we deserve some tit for tat?

howsyourtusk

guitarzero wrote: »

I've never minded someone groping my ass, but then I'm a man and a lot less sexually repressed.

Anyone else spot the dangerous implication here, groping is ok if you're just a little less repressed. Tell that to a woman who's been on the end of unwarranted sexual attention.