Team of the 6Nations

cgpg5

Right now that its over time to pick yer best 15 of the tournament. I'll have a go...

15. Kearney
14. Cuthbert (incredible in latter few games)
13. Barritt
12. Fofana
11. North
10. Farrell
9. Phillipps (best of bad bunch)
1. Healy (lets forget today)
2. Best
3. A. Jones
4. Gray
5. Evans
6. Lydiate
7. warburton (by default)
8. Parisse

uptherebels

cgpg5 wrote: »

Right now that its over time to pick yer best 15 of the tournament. I'll have a go...

15. Kearney
14. Cuthbert (incredible in latter few games)
13. Barritt
12. Fofana
11. North
10. Farrell
9. Phillipps (best of bad bunch)
1. Healy (lets forget today)
2. Best
3. A. Jones
4. Gray
5. Evans
6. Lydiate
7. warburton (by default)
8. Parisse

ya i would agree with that except ferris for lydiate

cgpg5

uptherebels wrote: »

ya i would agree with that except ferris for lydiate

Tight one but Lydiate was outstanding throughout and his performance today was out of this world. How he was standing after I don't know, he tackled, carried, tackled again and was exceptional. Ferris is some player too though admittedly this was my toughest pick.

And Phillips was massively, just massively outshone by the sub scrum half today.


He's not a scrum half

cgpg5

Deleted User wrote: »

And Phillips was massively, just massively outshone by the sub scrum half today.


He's not a scrum half

Its a tough spot to pick and is a position which the lions could struggle in next summer

Did any1 catch RTE's pick?

shuffol

Before today I wouldve said Fez but Lydiate was outstanding and Ferris unfortunately was part of a beaten pack, got run over big style by one of the English replacements, think it was Stevens, couldnt believe it when I saw him getting up, I'd say that one hurt him.

Fireball07

Phillips had a poor tournament imo. The fact that he's even being mentioned as the best really shows how poor the tournament has been for scrum-half play.

Tox56

Ferris is a Lydiate who can carry well too, both make bone-crunchers every game. Lydiate was far better today, but I think Ferris is a superior player.

Fireball07

Oh, and despite a poor performance by Scotland today, I think Ross Rennie was the best 7 in the tournament. Had 3 very good games whereas Warburton didn't even play in every game, I don't think.

Blackheath

uptherebels wrote: »

ya i would agree with that except ferris for lydiate

Agree you have to go with Ferris

Webbs

15. Kearney (amazing under high ball, improvement in defence would put him as best in world in this position)
14. Cuthbert (incredible in latter few games)
13. Davies (seems to get better and better defensively sound, seems to have more pace than appears)
12. Fofana (defence is a bit suspect but 4 tries says enough)
11. North (looks for work constantly, keeps improving and at 19 is a scary prospect)
10. Sexton ( toss up between him and Farrell but think Farrell is to limited with ball in hand to oust Sexton)
9. Phillips (best of bad bunch)
1. Jenkins (amazed Healy is even considered here, Jenkins play in the loose is unreal at breakdown, tackling etc and yet is still a really solid scrummager)
2. Best (so consistent and one of Irelands best performers)
3. A. Jones (a rock at tighthead and still noticable on loose, possibly best tighthead in world at moment)
4. Gray (can be hot or cold, but wow when hot is fantastic)
5. Maestri (real find for France)
6. Ferris (man is an animal and great engine, though if Lydiate carries on could be fantastic battle for Lions spot)
7. Rennie (was at heart of most of Scotlands few high spots this tournament, Warburton when he played showed why he is so highly rated, if he had played more then would have been shoe in)
8. Parisse (impossible as it would seem to shine playing for Italy, yet he does it week after week)

greendom

I think this kind of thread is a nonsense, especially when you look at the no 6 position. How can you only pick 1 of Dusautoir, Lydiate, Ferris or Croft. All simply amazing players who all deserve recognition.

cgpg5

greendom wrote: »

I think this kind of thread is a nonsense, especially when you look at the no 6 position. How can you only pick 1 of Dusautoir, Lydiate, Ferris or Croft. All simply amazing players who all deserve recognition.

Just thought it would be interesting to see who people felt was the best 15, if you don't want to contribute then by all means don't.

EPointer=Birdss

Tox56 wrote: »

Ferris is a Lydiate who can carry well too, both make bone-crunchers every game. Lydiate was far better today, but I think Ferris is a superior player.

+ 1

Both Ferris & O brien are not been utilized properly in the game plan.
I hate seen both in rucks as you know there's very little options to carry left outside the ruck! They should be put into space to carry in midfield!
I feel sorry for SOB. At this rate he'll hardly make the Lions if everyones fit. He is suffering for is position. 6 is a 2 horse race at this point in my opinion. Both defensive animals & will be needed against NZ!
I'd like to see him at 8 for the summer tour. Heaslip needs a break & been dropped can be the best thing to happen to you some times!

bleg

Healy? Are you ****ing kidding me?

There were 3 or 4 better LH props than him this tournament. He got absolutely annihilated today. You can't just pass it off as saying "forget today."

irishbucsfan

bleg wrote: »

Healy? Are you ****ing kidding me?

There were 3 or 4 better LH props than him this tournament. He got absolutely annihilated today. You can't just pass it off as saying "forget today."

Who is better than Healy then? Id have Jenkins ahead of him. Who are the 3 or 4?

liammur

bleg wrote: »

Healy? Are you ****ing kidding me?

There were 3 or 4 better LH props than him this tournament. He got absolutely annihilated today. You can't just pass it off as saying "forget today."

Spot on. Totally outclassed which led to St Patrick's day massacre.

cgpg5

bleg wrote: »

Healy? Are you ****ing kidding me?

There were 3 or 4 better LH props than him this tournament. He got absolutely annihilated today. You can't just pass it off as saying "forget today."

Was outstanding in every game bar yesterday. It is a tough call between himself and Jenkins I just think Healy is better around the pitch. As for 3 or 4 better I'd love to hear who? JB Poux who wouldn't be near the French team if they had a full complement??? Allen Jacobsen- who is a hard worker yet very limited... Corbisiero who wouldn't be England's first choice was Sheridan fit? I understand that people might feel that Jenkins was better and I see where they're coming from tbh.

As for the "forget today" part lets just face it the majority of that team would've had a below standard performance in the 6n but as they occurred earlier in the competition would've been forgotten about. Think it would be unfair on Healy to say he'd a poor tournament based on one game.

[Jackass]

1. Jenkins
2. Best
3. Jones
4. Gray
5. Ryan
6. Croft
7. Rennie
8. Pariesse

9. Philips
10. Farrell
11. North
12. Fofana
13. Davies
14. Bowe
15. Halfpenny

bleg

cgpg5 wrote: »

Was outstanding in every game bar yesterday. It is a tough call between himself and Jenkins I just think Healy is better around the pitch. As for 3 or 4 better I'd love to hear who? JB Poux who wouldn't be near the French team if they had a full complement??? Allen Jacobsen- who is a hard worker yet very limited... Corbisiero who wouldn't be England's first choice was Sheridan fit? I understand that people might feel that Jenkins was better and I see where they're coming from tbh.

As for the "forget today" part lets just face it the majority of that team would've had a below standard performance in the 6n but as they occurred earlier in the competition would've been forgotten about. Think it would be unfair on Healy to say he'd a poor tournament based on one game.

No. You're completely and utterly wrong. Sorry. After yesterday's performance Healy cannot even begin to be considered as top LH prop.

Hagz

bleg wrote: »

No. You're completely and utterly wrong. Sorry. After yesterday's performance Healy cannot even begin to be considered as top LH prop.

Makes sense I suppose. Everyone knows that you can't be a top LH prop unless you're able to hold a scrum that has no Tight-Head. Yep, everyone knows that.

irishbucsfan

bleg wrote: »

cgpg5 wrote: »

Was outstanding in every game bar yesterday. It is a tough call between himself and Jenkins I just think Healy is better around the pitch. As for 3 or 4 better I'd love to hear who? JB Poux who wouldn't be near the French team if they had a full complement??? Allen Jacobsen- who is a hard worker yet very limited... Corbisiero who wouldn't be England's first choice was Sheridan fit? I understand that people might feel that Jenkins was better and I see where they're coming from tbh.

As for the "forget today" part lets just face it the majority of that team would've had a below standard performance in the 6n but as they occurred earlier in the competition would've been forgotten about. Think it would be unfair on Healy to say he'd a poor tournament based on one game.

No. You're completely and utterly wrong. Sorry. After yesterday's performance Healy cannot even begin to be considered as top LH prop.

So his 4 great performances don't count?

Hysterical rubbish.

bleg

irishbucsfan wrote: »

So his 4 great performances don't count?

Hysterical rubbish.

Nope. He was appallingly awful yesterday. Give me consistency any day.

irishbucsfan

bleg wrote: »

irishbucsfan wrote: »

So his 4 great performances don't count?

Hysterical rubbish.

Nope. He was appallingly awful yesterday. Give me consistency any day.

Are you blaming Healy for the scrum falling apart?

The whole front row was beaten as soon as Ross went down. Not Healys fault.

irishbucsfan

I suppose Cian Healy is only good when playing against Tightheads like this guy...

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhIyQTGbSfEc&v=hIyQTGbSfEc&gl=GB (on my phone so can't embed)

bleg

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Are you blaming Healy for the scrum falling apart?

The whole front row was beaten as soon as Ross went down. Not Healys fault.

1st scrum - penalty against Healy. Ross was on the field.

Hagz

bleg wrote: »

1st scrum - penalty against Healy. Ross was on the field.

Oh christ. He must be crap so. A prop giving away a penalty in the scrum, amateur stuff.

bleg

Hagz wrote: »

Oh christ. He must be crap so. A prop giving away a penalty in the scrum, amateur stuff.

No, I was responding to a previous comment that stated that Healy fell apart after Ross went off. This is not true. Healy was terrible throughout the match. I used this example to illustrate this.

I don't understand the hate towards me. Yes, Healy had a good 4 games but was completely and utterly dominated yesterday. Objectively, he was not the best LH in the competition and I doubt you'll find him in any team of the tournament not written by an Irish person.

irishbucsfan

bleg wrote: »

Hagz wrote: »

Oh christ. He must be crap so. A prop giving away a penalty in the scrum, amateur stuff.

No, I was responding to a previous comment that stated that Healy fell apart after Ross went off. This is not true. Healy was terrible throughout the match. I used this example to illustrate this.

I don't understand the hate towards me. Yes, Healy had a good 4 games but was completely and utterly dominated yesterday. Objectively, he was not the best LH in the competition and I doubt you'll find him in any team of the tournament not written by an Irish person.

So you're just going to ignore last season against the exact same tighthead when our front row was actually fit?

Hagz

bleg wrote: »

No, I was responding to a previous comment that stated that Healy fell apart after Ross went off. This is not true. Healy was terrible throughout the match. I used this example to illustrate this.

I don't understand the hate towards me. Yes, Healy had a good 4 games but was completely and utterly dominated yesterday. Objectively, he was not the best LH in the competition and I doubt you'll find him in any team of the tournament not written by an Irish person.

The hate is coming towards you because you said Healy can't be considered a top LH prop based on yesterday's performance. Healy was not a problem in the scrum yesterday. You pointing out one penalty whilst Ross was on the field does not prove that he was. Even the best props, who are being dominant in the scrum can be penalized. Anybody could see that in the scrum, Court was being folded in half, it had nothing to do with Healy.

Healy is a top class LH. He's a damn sight better than Jacobsen and Corbisiero and provided he's alongside a competent TH, he's able to prove that.

bleg

irishbucsfan wrote: »

So you're just going to ignore last season against the exact same tighthead when our front row was actually fit?

I thought we were picking the team of this year's 6 nations.


What's with the aggressive tone? I freely admit Healy is a great player, Ireland's best LH prop but the best in the 6 nations - nope.

bleg

Hagz wrote: »

The hate is coming towards you because you said Healy can't be considered a top LH prop based on yesterday's performance. Healy was not a problem in the scrum yesterday. You pointing out one penalty whilst Ross was on the field does not prove that he was. Even the best props, who are being dominant in the scrum can be penalized. Anybody could see that in the scrum, Court was being folded in half, it had nothing to do with Healy.

Healy is a top class LH. He's a damn sight better than Jacobsen and Corbisiero and provided he's alongside a competent TH, he's able to prove that.

No no no no no. I said "top LH" not "a top LH."

Healy is a great LH but he wasn't the "top LH" of this tournament.

irishbucsfan

bleg wrote: »

irishbucsfan wrote: »

So you're just going to ignore last season against the exact same tighthead when our front row was actually fit?

I thought we were picking the team of this year's 6 nations.


What's with the aggressive tone? I freely admit Healy is a great player, Ireland's best LH prop but the best in the 6 nations - nope.

You don't freely admit Healy is a great player. You said we can't even begin to consider him as one. Unless you're backtracking on that now?

Bottom line is he is a great player and Corbisieros dominance over lame ducks and subsequent inward pressure made his job utterly impossible yesterday.

Hating on Healys scrummaging is so 2009!

bleg

irishbucsfan wrote: »

You don't freely admit Healy is a great player. You said we can't even begin to consider him as one. Unless you're backtracking on that now?

Read what I wrote again. I said we can't consider him as "top LH," not "a top LH."

After yesterday's performance we cannot consider him as "top LH."

Hagz

bleg wrote: »

Read what I wrote again. I said we can't consider him as "top LH," not "a top LH."

After yesterday's performance we cannot consider him as "top LH."

Oh, then I totally misunderstood your point. But I still disagree with it. Nothing can be taken from yesterday's performance other than that Court is not actually ambi-propsterous.

irishbucsfan

bleg wrote: »

irishbucsfan wrote: »

You don't freely admit Healy is a great player. You said we can't even begin to consider him as one. Unless you're backtracking on that now?

Read what I wrote again. I said we can't consider him as "top LH," not "a top LH."

After yesterday's performance we cannot consider him as "top LH."

You said there are 3 or 4 better than him. Who exactly are they?

The top two in the 6 Nation's are Healy and Jenkins. Jenkins is a dodgy scrummager as well at times, especially when Adam Jones isn't there.

bleg

irishbucsfan wrote: »

You said there are 3 or 4 better than him. Who exactly are they?

The top two in the 6 Nation's are Healy and Jenkins. Jenkins is a dodgy scrummager as well at times, especially when Adam Jones isn't there.

That was hyperbole. I used it to get my point across.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

irishbucsfan

bleg wrote: »

irishbucsfan wrote: »

You said there are 3 or 4 better than him. Who exactly are they?

The top two in the 6 Nation's are Healy and Jenkins. Jenkins is a dodgy scrummager as well at times, especially when Adam Jones isn't there.

That was hyperbole. I used it to get my point across.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

So you're backtracking on that claim now as well? That's grand. So he is a top LH and there aren't 3 or 4 ahead of him. Glad you've come to your senses.

Healy showed Dan Cole he can scrummage a year ago. He has shown others since (Mujati in Cardiff). He was great against France. He had a great 6 Nations until the the tighthead side failed. Jenkins is a fair shout but you don't have to criticise a great Irish player just to compliment another one.

bleg

irishbucsfan wrote: »

So you're backtracking on that claim now as well? That's grand. So he is a top LH and there aren't 3 or 4 ahead of him. Glad you've come to your senses.

Never said he wasn't a top LH, look at my original post and the 2 explaining it. No, there weren't 3 or 4 better LH props than him in this 6 nations, I was exaggerating to get my point across.


Also, there is no need to be so condescending.

[Jackass]

Given the manner in which the Irish scrum was demolished, beyond recognition, and the worst annihilation of an Irish scrum I've seen in years, it's tough to say one of our props could be on the team of the tournament.

I don't think we enjoyed dominance over any teams other than Scotland in that area either.

To throw my 2 cents in the ring, I don't think Healy is the problem, I don't think we have any good options at tight-head, and I know Ross is much revered in Irish rugby, I think he started off as stable and has been found out since. At Leinster I think White is a much better tight-head, and I think Ross has been made to look good when compared to taking the place of a man pushing 40 for Ireland, but at many levels Ross has struggled in the scrum, Healy has too, but it's my opinion that with a solid tighthead, Healy is a very solid scrummager, whereas with Ross, I think he's prone to being demolished.

Hype710

Would it have made any sense yesterday to switch Healy over to TH during the game? Can't imagine he would have been turned so easily by Corbisiero but i appreciate he hasn't played there since one off appearances for the Irish U19s five years ago.

Podge_irl

There is not a loosehead on the planet that would have made a difference to that scrum yesterday. Court was comprehensively destroyed.

Yes, Healy gave away a penalty with Ross still on the pitch but Ross was clearly not fit and as soon as your tighthead starts struggling the loosehead is going to be under enormous pressure.

chupacabra

my pick:

15. Kearney
14. North
13. Davies
12. Fofana
11. Cuthbert
10. Farrell
9. Phillips

1. Jenkins
2. Best
3. Cole
4. Gray
5. Maestri
6. Ferris
7. Warburton
8. Denton (surprised nobody has mentioned him yet)

Fishooks12

15 Kearney
14 Bowe
13 Davies
12 Fofana
11 Cuthbert
10 Farrell
9 Blair
8 Harinorduqoy
7 Rennie
6 Ferris
5 Alwyn Jones
4 Grey
3 Can't decide yet
2 Best
1 Healy

Clegg

There appears to be a problem with flyhalves in the northern hemisphere.

Farrell had a decent 6N but thats all I can say for him. He's a good goal kicker and a solid tackler but thats about it. He's also very limited in attack. A chip over the top or an inside pass is about the only attacking play I've seen from him.

Priestland is a very good attacking 10 but is weak defensively and is prone to making mistakes when under pressure.

Kris Burton is just a poor player. Trinh-Duc is a flake and Beauxis hasn't impressed.

I'd say Sexton is the best out of the lot but he still hasn't played as well for Ireland as he can for Leinster. He's grown in confidence throughout the 6 Nations and put in some good displays against France, Italy and Scotland. But at the same time,they were good performances but nothing that would really get you excited.

For the Lions I think it's a toss up between Farrell and Sexton. Priestland didn't have the best 6N but if he regains his WC form then he'd probably be first choice outhalf.

Almaviva

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/news-comment/six-nations-team-of-the-tournament-7577606.html?action=gallery&ino=1

Tox56

Almaviva wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/news-comment/six-nations-team-of-the-tournament-7577606.html?action=gallery&ino=1

The Hartley call is simply ridiculous, not least for the citing.

Fishooks12

Tox56 wrote: »

The Hartley call is simply ridiculous, not least for the citing.

saw the front row on twitter and decided not to read the rest after seeing Cole and Hartley

are they forgetting how bad they were in every other game?

Tox56

Fishooks12 wrote: »

saw the front row on twitter and decided not to read the rest after seeing Cole and Hartley

are they forgetting how bad they were in every other game?

It's the English media what do you expect. They hype them to oblivion when things go well, and pounce on them whenever things go wrong.

Leslie91

My team:

15. Kearney
14. Cuthbert
13. Davies
12. Roberts
11. North
10. Farrell
9. Phillips

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Cole
4. Gray
5. Ryan
6. Ferris
7. Warburton
8. Parrisse

cgpg5

Almaviva wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/news-comment/six-nations-team-of-the-tournament-7577606.html?action=gallery&ino=1

Lol who picked this team? Seems like a complete amateur, who didn't even watch the 6n. The reasons for picking the players are laughable too. How Parisse can't be included in a team is a joke, I'd like to see Ben Morgan even attempt to do what he does week in, week out for a struggling team. Halfpenny at full back? He was good but wasn't in Kearney's league. Hartley at 2 , I won't even ask. C'mon there were far better 2nd rows than Pascal Pape and picking Dusautoir at 7 is a cop out. Mike Phillipps, love him or hate him, he'd a far better tournament that that Italian. However I must say Corbisiero beats the lot.