Why are all pubs closed on Good Friday? Religious law = discrimination?

Sisko

Lets say I was an atheist or agnostic publican. Why should I be forced to close my pub for a religion I am not a part of?

What would happen if I decided to refuse to keep my pub closed and have it open for all non Christian/religious people to attend at their leisure for a day.

I mean does it really have to take an action such as this before people really begin to force this backward law out of our country?

Its getting ridiculous now, it's 2012 ffs.... we are supposed to be a modern country with enlightened people. There is a lot of discrimination for the non religious as is in the country. I mean serious issues like the school system and abortion that make this pub thing seem like such a silly topic.

But really, often all it needs is a stand to be taken on the silly little things for it to have a domino effect on all the other backward bull**** this country needs to get over and put in the past.

It's fuckin embarrassing at times.

Would anyone out there really be that offended by removing such a law? To allow for pub owners who do not consider themselves Christian to be able to stay open if they so wish?

There would be nothing stopping the religious establishments remaining closed if they so wish.

im invisible

so we dont get LOCKED

Where To

It's known as varnishing day in most pubs around here.

Don't think many of them are all that unhappy about closing for a day tbh.

Teyla Emmagan

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Sisko

Where To wrote: »

It's known as varnishing day in most pubs around here.

Don't think many of them are all that unhappy about closing for a day tbh.

They could still close if they wish, but being forced to close for religious reasons is wrong.

This is what it comes down to. Right and wrong.

The Snipe

I clicked the second option instead of the first by accident so its -1 to option 2, and +1 to KEEP THEM OPEN!

humanji

And why can't I use a bank on a bank holiday? It's my day off and I should be able to use the bank if I want to.

prinz

Sisko wrote: »

Its getting ridiculous now, it's 2012 ffs.... we are supposed to be a modern country with enlightened people. There is a lot of discrimination for the non religious as is in the country..

Most of the western world appreciates Sunday as a family/rest day. Do you want to scrap that too? Maybe turn Tuesday into the new weekend. Do you work Christmas? Easter?

Sisko

humanji wrote: »

And why can't I use a bank on a bank holiday? It's my day off and I should be able to use the bank if I want to.

Are banks being forced to close by the Government for religious reasons?

If a bank decided to stay open... what would happen?

Immaculate Pasta

OP - Are you an alcoholic? Because you know there's people who could help you like :cool:

the groutch

There's no law stating they have to close, there's only a law stating they can't sell alcohol on that day.
I remeber during the Rugby World Cup last year some pubs opened at 6 or 7 in the morning, selling soft drinks & tea/coffee.

Sisko

prinz wrote: »

Most of the western world appreciates Sunday as a family/rest day. Do you want to scrap that too? Maybe turn Tuesday into the new weekend. Do you work Christmas? Easter?

Straw man. I can do that too.

Do you really think your religious laws will be enforced forever as this country gets more enlightened as the years move on?

As far as I'm concerned , its a matter of time. Just like allowing divorce was a matter of time, or how it was against to the law to be gay at one stage.

Eventually the ignorant people die out and the more educated and enlightened kids grow up. It's just embarrassing this has yet to happen in this day and age.

But it will.

admiralofthefleet

its one day - get pissed on thursday and sleep all day friday

it shouldnt be linked to a cult that is thankfully dying out

prinz

Sisko wrote: »

Straw man. I can do that too..

It's not a straw man it was an easy question..

Sisko wrote: »

Eventually the ignorant people die out and the more educated and enlightened kids grow up. It's just embarrassing..l.

When will the educated and enlightened kids stop starting threads that were done yesterday IIRC? As for "your religious laws" I couldn't give a toss if you were enjoying a nice cold pint on Good Friday in a pub or not.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

The only thing that pisses me off about pubs being closed on Good Friday is the big rush on Thursday to get cans. Fúck off ye shower of dummys.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Can the religious not be enlightened and educated folk too? Are are they all just backward cave dwellers.

admiralofthefleet

the groutch wrote: »

There's no law stating they have to close, there's only a law stating they can't sell alcohol on that day.
I remeber during the Rugby World Cup last year some pubs opened at 6 or 7 in the morning, selling soft drinks & tea/coffee.

:D:D:D:D:D

JoeGil

It's the law and that's it.
You could question any law - why not smoke in pubs, why is there a closing time etc. As long as it's the law it applies.

Shryke

baz2009 wrote: »

The only thing that pisses me off about pubs being closed on Good Friday is the big rush on Thursday to get cans. Fúck off ye shower of dummys.

Ya it's annoying when people get in my way when I want to buy cans. Qeueing is soooooo boring.

gurramok

How come the God squad on this thread are not saying the rosary before bedtime? Disgraceful behaviour, to be on boards at this hour!

Napper Hawkins

I can understand a lot of pubs liking the day off and that's fair enough but the fact that there is a religious day, even one, where I'm not allowed buy alcohol is quite insulting.

Off licenses should be allowed sell alcohol, pubs who want to close can close, pubs who want to stay open should stay open and non religious people should be left to live their lives free of this fascism.

Sisko

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

OP - Are you an alcoholic? Because you know there's people who could help you like :cool:

Hehe no. I don't really drink that much and probably would not drink on Good Friday anyway as I tend to drink on Saturdays

the groutch wrote: »

There's no law stating they have to close, there's only a law stating they can't sell alcohol on that day.

Indeed, that's obviously what I'm talking about. A pub standing up and selling alcohol on Good Friday on the grounds that the owner is not Religious that is.

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

its one day - get pissed on thursday and sleep all day friday

This is not the point though, the "ah sure its grand tis only one day" thing is not a great attitude to have in terms of social progress. It doesn't matter of its one hour. Its wrong.

prinz wrote: »

When will the educated and enlightened kids stop starting threads that were done yesterday IIRC?

Not until the issue is resolved obviously?

Then we move on to the next topic

prinz

gurramok wrote: »

How come the God squad on this thread are not saying the rosary before bedtime? Disgraceful behaviour, to be on boards at this hour!

Who exactly is the God squad on this thread? I don't see anyone backing the law on religious grounds..

KeithAFC

Traditional values and all that.

lividduck

Home rule is Rome rule

prinz

Sisko wrote: »

This is not the point though, the "ah sure its grand tis only one day" thing is not a great attitude to have in terms of social progress. It doesn't matter of its one hour. Its wrong.

Having access to alcohol in a pub 365 days isn't exactly an example of social progress either. Especially when we see the results of our attitudes towards drinking

Sisko wrote: »

Not until the issue is resolved obviously? Then we move on to the next topic

So start numerous threads on the same subject. Not very enlightened or educated.

admiralofthefleet

Sisko wrote: »

This is not the point though, the "ah sure its grand tis only one day" thing is not a great attitude to have in terms of social progress. It doesn't matter of its one hour. Its wrong.

oh i agree with you. dont under estimate how much i despise the catholic cult

Sisko

KeithAFC wrote: »

Traditional values and all that.

Like women should stay in the kitchen on not vote.

People should not be allowed to divorce even if they want to?

And so on and so forth.

JoeGil wrote: »

It's the law and that's it.

Ha! Very dangerous attitude to have. So all laws should always remind law no matter how archaic?

Don't question anything. Just accept and move on. Hear no evil see no evil and so forth...

Not good.

gurramok

prinz wrote: »

Who exactly is the God squad on this thread? I don't see anyone backing the law on religious grounds..

8 votes so far on the pro-religious side, where you one?

prinz

gurramok wrote: »

8 votes so far on the pro-religious side, where you one?

You know there are more reasons not to repeal the law than religion? Yes? As stated above on the thread many pubs use the day for renovations etc. Many barstaff and family owned/run bars use the day to you know spend at least one day together where nobody has to work. Move the day from Good Friday to any other and the support to have them closed would still be there by a sizeable group of people.

And no I haven't voted on the poll, because I am ambivalent to the whole thing.

joseph brand

prinz wrote: »

Most of the western world appreciates Sunday as a family/rest day. Do you want to scrap that too? Maybe turn Tuesday into the new weekend. Do you work Christmas? Easter?

I'm pretty sure there are MANY places of work open Sundays. Wouldn't it be handy if even that sacred institution (banks) had to open on a Saturday OR Sunday? Beats trying to get to the bank on lunch hour.

KeithAFC

Sisko wrote: »

Like women should stay in the kitchen on not vote.

People should not be allowed to divorce even if they want to?

And so on and so forth.



Ha! Very dangerous attitude to have. So all laws should always remind law no matter how archaic?

Don't question anything. Just accept and move on. Hear no evil see no evil and so forth...

Not good.

The Irish Republic was built on Roman Catholic values and foundations. You can't have it both ways. You either accept the rule of law or you don't.

Sisko

prinz wrote: »

Having access to alcohol in a pub 365 days isn't exactly an example of social progress either. Especially when we see the results of our attitudes towards drinking

Irrelevant. Its banned for Religious reason and nothing more. This should not happen in a socially progressive society.

Banning alcohol for a single day does not solve Ireland's problem with alcohol either, in any shape or form. Though that is a different topic all together.

prinz wrote: »

So start numerous threads on the same subject. Not very enlightened or educated.

It is more so than criticizing any discussion on the matter at least.

lividduck

prinz wrote: »

You know there are more reasons not to repeal the law than religion? Yes? As stated above on the thread many pubs use the day for renovations etc. Many barstaff and family owned/run bars use the day to you know spend at least one day together where nobody has to work.

And no I haven't voted on the poll, because I am ambivalent to the whole thing.

Sorry Prinz but the Friday before easter is neither a Bank nor Public holiday and plenty of people have to work on it, in work terms it is just another day.

Clareboy

We have abandoned enough of our Christian heritage and traditions without allowing pubs to be open on Good Friday, the day of Our Lord's Passion.

I am sure that bar staff appreciate at least one day off over Easter to be with their families and relax.

gurramok

prinz wrote: »

You know there are more reasons not to repeal the law than religion? Yes? As stated above on the thread many pubs use the day for renovations etc. Many barstaff and family owned/run bars use the day to you know spend at least one day together where nobody has to work. Move the day from Good Friday to any other and the support to have them closed would still be there by a sizeable group of people.

And no I haven't voted on the poll, because I am ambivalent to the whole thing.

Thats up to the employer and employees of said establishment if they like to open on Good Friday or any day of the year.

Its not up to the Catholic cult to decide on what a pub should do on a certain day of the year.

joseph brand

JoeGil wrote: »

It's the law and that's it.
You could question any law - why not smoke in pubs, why is there a closing time etc. As long as it's the law it applies.

SOPA? :pac:

prinz

Sisko wrote: »

Irrelevant. Its banned for Religious reason and nothing more. This should not happen in a socially progressive society.

So no more Christmas holidays either? I mean it would be socially progressive if we had no holidays whatsoever with a religious connection.

Sisko wrote: »

It is more so than criticizing any discussion on the matter at least.

Discussion is welcome. Ignorant self-grandising stereotyping isn't.

prinz

gurramok wrote: »

Its not up to the Catholic cult to decide on what a pub should do on a certain day of the year.

It isn't. It's up to the government...

Sisko

Clareboy wrote: »

We have abandoned enough of our Christian heritage and traditions without allowing pubs to be open on Good Friday, the day of Our Lord's Passion.

How dare you enforce your Religious beliefs onto me and others.

I question your morality.

joseph brand

KeithAFC wrote: »

The Irish Republic was built on Roman Catholic values and foundations. You can't have it both ways. You either accept the rule of law or you don't.

Nice to see Keith sticking up for us Irish Catholics.

gurramok

prinz wrote: »

It isn't. It's up to the government...

A law last updated in 1928 when the Catholic Church ruled the newly independent state via its subordinate political parties.

You're right, thank f*** Labour are in govt and hopefully they do something about this religious law. The Limerick publicans set a precedent in 2010 so thankfully you agree they were right.

oppenheimer1

Fuck sake, this thread, AGAIN.

prinz

gurramok wrote: »

You're right, thank f*** Labour are in govt and hopefully they do something about this religious law. The Limerick publicans set a precedent in 2010 so thankfully you agree they were right.

I love a nice pint me any day of the year I choose to have one.

Sisko

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Fuck sake, this thread, AGAIN.

Damn straight. Expect it next year too.

happypants

Shhhhhhhhh! If people discuss this topic they'll forget to start numerous threads about dole scroungers, public servants and tv licenses.

Logical Fallacy

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

I can understand a lot of pubs liking the day off and that's fair enough but the fact that there is a religious day, even one, where I'm not allowed buy alcohol is quite insulting.

Off licenses should be allowed sell alcohol, pubs who want to close can close, pubs who want to stay open should stay open and non religious people should be left to live their lives free of this fascism.

Well, in fairness you get a day off work due it being a religious holiday...so I guess if you want the pubs open then you have to go to work as well.

Whenever i see threads giving out about pubs being closed on Good Friday people never seem to cop to the fact that they'd normally be in work that day.

KeithAFC

joseph brand wrote: »

Nice to see Keith sticking up for us Irish Catholics.

It is more of the hypocrisy of it really. Love the country but don't like the foundations which built the country up and is written into law. Like I said, you either accept that or you don't. It is the rule of law.

prinz

Sisko wrote: »

Damn straight. Expect it next year too.

I was expecting it next year, yesterday and yet here we are.

Napper Hawkins

Clareboy wrote: »

We have abandoned enough of our Christian heritage and traditions without allowing pubs to be open on Good Friday, the day of Our Lord's Passion.

I am sure that bar staff appreciate at least one day off over Easter to be with their families and relax.

Then why not close everything?

Why just alcohol?

Why do other people have to work on this day if it's such a day to be respected?

Why does this country in 2012 still obey laws laid down in the ****ing Bronze age?!

Logical Fallacy

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

Then why not close everything?

Why just alcohol?

Why do other people have to work on this day if it's such a day to be respected?

Why does this country in 2012 still obey laws laid down in the ****ing Bronze age?!

I've never had a job where i had to work Good Friday I have to say.