'Incest is best' to face legal test.

forfuxsake

]So this woman fell in love with her da and now she is going to give birth to her son/daughter/brother/sister he is looking forward the birth of his son/daughter/grandson/granddaughter.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-woman-carrying-her-fathers-child-claims-theyre-in-love-118566849.html



Could you really have a baby with you ma or da? I find it a bit creepy


luckily the scan was normal

stupidusername

If the child is healthy are there any other moral concerns?

RichieC

It takes generations of inbreeding before you'll see any adverse side effects, you're basically doubling the chances of any diseases that run in the family.

smcgiff

Well, the mother would want to watch out for her daughter, she might steal her man

My name is URL

I'm against it if it isn't uploaded to PornHub

Ghandee

Pike in the Thatch

My name is URL wrote: »

I'm against it if it isn't uploaded to PornHub

The birth?

Bonus points for being extra sick

forfuxsake

stupidusername wrote: »

If the child is healthy are there any other moral concerns?

So if your da fcukd your grandma you wouldn't find it immoral? What kind of person are you?

Teyla Emmagan

Genetic sexual attraction is supposed to be amazingly powerful.

So I've heard anyway...

cartell_best

stupidusername wrote: »

If the child is healthy are there any other moral concerns?

That has to be a pissstake if ever I saw one

forfuxsake

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Genetic sexual attraction is supposed to be amazingly powerful.

So I've heard anyway...

well, if my grandda was not my grandda and he was gay and I was gay and he looked like Bard Pitt and wasn't dead I would defo slide up and down his pole.

Teyla Emmagan

forfuxsake wrote: »

well, if my grandda was not my grandda and he was gay and I was gay and he looked like Bard Pitt and wasn't dead I would defo slide up and down his pole.

Exactly!

Interesting the first person who came to mind was your grandda though. Hmmmmm

forfuxsake

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Exactly!

Interesting the first person who came to mind was your grandda though. Hmmmmm

Who did you think of? don't pretend you didn't cos even if ye didn't- ye have now - cousins don't count

Teyla Emmagan

forfuxsake wrote: »

Who did you think of? don't pretend you didn't cos even if ye didn't- ye have now - cousins don't count

If cousins don't count then I won't be partaking in this experiment sadly. One of mine is quite hot :pac:

More creepy than the original story is that www.irishcentral.com website though!

Amalgam

A well known couple. They keep having children with severe issues, yes.. the kids are cross eyed and gormless looking.. and in care. 3 or 4 at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQp0KowG67A

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-439288/Forbidden-love-brother-sister.html

My name is URL

stupidusername wrote: »

If the child is healthy are there any other moral concerns?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw

forfuxsake

Amalgam wrote: »

A well known couple, at this point. They keep having children with severe issues, yes.. the kids are cross eyed and gormless looking.. and in care. 3 or 4 at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQp0KowG67A

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-439288/Forbidden-love-brother-sister.html

Brother and sister practice incest.

silly excuse, there is no difference between practising it and doing it properly.

forfuxsake

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

If cousins don't count then I won't be partaking in this experiment sadly. One of mine is quite hot :pac:

More creepy than the original story is that www.irishcentral.com website though!

yeah don't know how I came across it, it's horrible. much worse than grannyfanny

V_Moth

forfuxsake wrote: »

So if your da fcukd your grandma you wouldn't find it immoral? What kind of person are you?

Wouldn't that make you your own mother

forfuxsake

V_Moth wrote: »

Wouldn't that make you your own mother

No if I were his son(the one in his sister mummy's tummy now) then I could, once I had learned to talk, say 'my da fcked me granny as granny is mummy's mummy'

but technically you would be your own step-mammy

Chuck Stone

I don't know what to think of it.

One part of me is thinking 'meh - consenting adults not being coerced - leave 'em off'

The other part feels revulsion.

Thread needs a poll OP.

AngryBollix

giggity

ihsb

I can only imagine it is a horrid situation to be in. I can kind of see the girls point of view falling for a father figure that she never had (only in this case her actual father) but him falling for her is just weird.

And ok they want a relationship. That is fine, they are not hurting anyone but themselves and maybe family members but it is just downright irresponsible to bring a child into the situation. Even if he/she is "normal" imagine when it gets to school? The bullying and the problems in later life getting into a relationship "Well actually I am my own aunt/uncle".

antodeco

forfuxsake wrote: »

well, if my grandda was not my grandda and he was gay and I was gay and he looked like Bard Pitt and wasn't dead I would defo slide up and down his pole.

That Bard fella is one sexy guy!

forfuxsake

antodeco wrote: »

That Bard fella is one sexy guy!

He is Brad's poetic alter-ego.

My name is URL

Liberalism gone mad! =p

Who cares if they are consenting adults? Stuff like that rarely, if ever only affects those involved. There's bound to be a lot of deeper resentment and hostility within families when a father is banging his daughter. Others get dragged into it and are forced to make decisions and sacrifices which shouldn't be expected of them just in order to prop up the relationship of another.

It's not good for society as a whole. Not everything which you don't have a problem with personally; needs to be legislated for or socially respected. You might agree with a homeless person's right to sleep on the street, but would you support the choices they made to end up there?

Babybuff

read a similar story where a girl found her mother and ended up having a relationship with her. I get the gist of genetic sexual attraction in those circumstances but I can't comprehend how a parent could knowingly have sex with their kid. Is it not enough just to know they are your own flesh and blood?

forfuxsake

a pixture of bard pitt

Chuck Stone

My name is URL wrote: »

Who cares if they are consenting adults?

Me and probably lots of other people I'd say.

Stuff like that rarely, if ever only affects those involved.

You could say that about multitudes of things - smoking, drinking, drug use, driving fast, feeding children fatty foods... where do you start.stop with the illegality?

There's bound to be a lot of deeper resentment and hostility within families when a father is banging his daughter. Others get dragged into it and are forced to make decisions and sacrifices which shouldn't be expected of them just in order to prop up the relationship of another.

I'd imagine these same arguments were presented wrt homosexuality. Will someome please think of the <insert everyone but the consenting adults>.

It's not good for society as a whole.

Why?

Not everything which you don't have a problem with personally; needs to be legislated for or socially respected.

Nor does it need to be legislated against.

You might agree with a homeless person's right to sleep on the street, but would you support the choices they made to end up there?

I'd support their freedom to make those choices, yes.

mackg

Babybuff wrote: »

read a similar story where a girl found her mother and ended up having a relationship with her. I get the gist of genetic sexual attraction in those circumstances but I can't comprehend how a parent could knowingly have sex with their kid. Is it not enough just to know they are your own flesh and blood?

I saw something like that too and the brother was involved as well. Can't for the life of me remember where. Wasn't there a thread about something like this in Scotland too where there was uproar? mostly generated by the fact that they were pretty weird looking.

Babybuff

mackg wrote: »

I saw something like that too and the brother was involved as well. Can't for the life of me remember where. Wasn't there a thread about something like this in Scotland too where there was uproar? mostly generated by the fact that they were pretty weird looking.

don't think I saw it online, read it in some trashy womens mag in work or something but it did shock me and I'm not usually fazed much about other peoples sexual preferences.

chuck wrote:

I'd imagine these same arguments were presented wrt homosexuality.

I know it's only a matter of time before someone else will draw the same conclusion and then it's popcorn time.

stupidusername

forfuxsake wrote: »

So if your da fcukd your grandma you wouldn't find it immoral? What kind of person are you?

If my father ****ed my grandmother, I'd be fairly grossed out, but probably at least partially because she's been dead 30 years.

I didn't say I don't find it immoral, I asked a question.

cartell_best wrote: »

That has to be a pissstake if ever I saw one

That has to be a thanks whore attempt if ever I saw one.

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I don't know what to think of it.

One part of me is thinking 'meh - consenting adults not being coerced - leave 'em off'

The other part feels revulsion.

Thread needs a poll OP.

Exactly my point. Everyones automatic reaction is 'euuuuwwww', and I would actually be interested in seeing an intelligent discussion on the rights and wrongs of it.

mackg

Babybuff wrote: »

don't think I saw it online, read it in some trashy womens mag in work or something but it did shock me and I'm not usually fazed much about other peoples sexual preferences.


I know it's only a matter of time before someone else will draw the same conclusion and then it's popcorn time.

Tried to google it but "mother son daughter incest story" yielded predictable results.

prinz

stupidusername wrote: »

Everyones automatic reaction is 'euuuuwwww'....

It's 'eeeuuuuwww' for a reason.

Logical Fallacy

stupidusername wrote: »

If the child is healthy are there any other moral concerns?

Well, yes. The moral concern of that dude having sex with and impregnating his daughter.

stupidusername

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Well, yes. The moral concern of that dude having sex with and impregnating his daughter.

Ah come on LF, I expected to be able to get a better answer from you.

Chuck Stone

mackg wrote: »

Wasn't there a thread about something like this in Scotland too where there was uproar? mostly generated by the fact that they were pretty weird looking.

Good point. If it was a story about a very good looking, healthy, young, reunited brother and sister there would probably be a lot less revulsion and a lot more meh.

Logical Fallacy

stupidusername wrote: »

Ah come on LF, I expected to be able to get a better answer from you.

Well, it's been a while since i boned up (hur hur) on my Freud but, as far as i aware, you could posit the argument that the family bond that develops between daughter and father should be considered quite strong, and it would be morally corrupt for an older, more emotionally advanced and experience person to take advantage of that bond in an effort to gain sexual pleasure.

I mean, in effect all children love their parents, but it would not be right for a parent to allow their child to confuse that love with any kind of physical desire to procreate.

prinz

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I mean, in effect all children love their parents, but it would not be right for a parent to allow their child to confuse that love with any kind of physical desire to procreate.

Indeed it's a dependent unequal relationship especially parent/child that opens the possibilities for basically 'grooming' to occur for 17 years if your lucky. Less if you aren't... and strangely some people think to seem it's fine go ahead..

We legislate constantly to try and even up the protections when it comes to unequal relationships, doctor/patient, business/customer, teacher/student etc etc. This should be no different.

stupidusername

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Well, it's been a while since i boned up (hur hur) on my Freud but, as far as i aware, you could posit the argument that the family bond that develops between daughter and father should be considered quite strong, and it would be morally corrupt for an older, more emotionally advanced and experience person to take advantage of that bond in an effort to gain sexual pleasure.

I mean, in effect all children love their parents, but it would not be right for a parent to allow their child to confuse that love with any kind of physical desire to procreate.

but what about incestuous relationships that develop when both parent and child are adults? you can't really make the same argument. I don't know much about Freuds Oedipus Complex but to me it doesn't hold much credit. I do believe that a childs view of many things (including sexual things) can be skewed during childhood, but how would you account for the parent reciprocating? There are many people that do immoral things, but not anywhere near as many (i'm guessing) that consider and follow through on incestuous relationships.

I mean you're saying Freud would argue that it's natural for a daughter to want a relationship with her father, but is there any argument for the situations where such a thing is reciprocated? or is it simply being put down as being 'immoral'?

prinz

stupidusername wrote: »

but what about incestuous relationships that develop when both parent and child are adults? you can't really make the same argument.

Who is to say the child hasn't been groomed into it? Or is it once they hit 17 it's fair game?

forfuxsake

I don't know, saw a video once and there were two sisters and one cup and they seemed happy!

previous user

Sure didn't Lots two daughters get him drunk to have sex with them in a cave and they gave birth to future tribes.

stupidusername

prinz wrote: »

Who is to say the child hasn't been groomed into it? Or is it once they hit 17 it's fair game?

Oh yeah that could definitely occur. I was even considering that myself as a possible explanation as to why this happens.

I wonder how many would have feelings for one of their parents where it's not reciprocated. that'd be interesting to know.

Chuck Stone

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I mean, in effect all children love their parents, but it would not be right for a parent to allow their child to confuse that love with any kind of physical desire to procreate.

What about consenting adults in an equitable relationship?

Let's say a brother and sister of the same age and mental faculties to keep it 'clean'.

forfuxsake

Chuck Stone wrote: »

What about consenting adults in an equitable relationship?

Let's say a brother and sister of the same age and mental faculties to keep it 'clean'.

two cups?

goose2005

Your mam, she is your sister
Your grandad came and kissed her
He says he can't resist her
The Ryan family

Your uncle is your brother
Your sister is your mother
You all f--k one another
The Ryan family

forfuxsake

There was a young girl from dub
who met her da in a pub
He needed his hole
so she leapt on his pole
And now's she's having his cub

Logical Fallacy

stupidusername wrote: »

but what about incestuous relationships that develop when both parent and child are adults? you can't really make the same argument. I don't know much about Freuds Oedipus Complex but to me it doesn't hold much credit. I do believe that a childs view of many things (including sexual things) can be skewed during childhood, but how would you account for the parent reciprocating? There are many people that do immoral things, but not anywhere near as many (i'm guessing) that consider and follow through on incestuous relationships.

I mean you're saying Freud would argue that it's natural for a daughter to want a relationship with her father, but is there any argument for the situations where such a thing is reciprocated? or is it simply being put down as being 'immoral'?

Well, the actual nature of Freud's thoughts and idea's that formed the Oedipus Complex are not that a child would want to have sex with it's own mother...it's that the child would want to sexually dominate the mother and physically dominate the father. It gets boiled down to humping the mother and killing the father at a baser level but that level is flawed as you say.

Sexual domination of a mother doesn't equate to wanting to have sex with her...it basically equates to the child either wanting or not wanting siblings I believe. The child will try to exert influence, whether it knows it or not, to try and get the result it wants. It's an example of subconscious attempts to actualise desire at a very early age.

With regard to incest, there were times and places and social classes where it wasn't considered all that weird to sex up your next of kin...big examples being dynasty royalty. The concept of "royal blood" led to a lot of desire to not have it watered down.

I don't think the general societal idea that incest is wrong is just based on the idea of "yuck", but rather on the expansion of the human social need and the development of the concept of tribalism and expansion. For a long time human have wanted family members to meet people from other places, even if it was just the next tribe one village over. A lot of the reasons would be, i guess, economic. If a father can have sex and a relationship with a woman, birth a child and then down the line have sex with the child and birth another child he has an ever expanding family that needs to be fed and looked after.

Whatever the reason, scientific advancement now lets us know that one of the main reasons we became so dominant is the method of our reproduction and growth. Being able to combine our genetic data in assorted combinations has been nothing but a strength to us...so a wholesale embrace of humanity of the idea that incest is alright would probably be a bad thing.

Whatever the reason, it's become a bit of a faux pas at this point, I can really offer any other reasons for that and I am loath to talk too much about morals in a serious sense given the gray area that is the moral compass anyway.

With regards to a parent reciprocating...once again it's not really something I can try and explain, people will do what they do and justify it to themselves, and despite a general desire to avoid hyperbole I guess you could float the idea that the emotional manipulation of a child which leads towards sexual intercourse is just as bad as parents who sexually abuse their children by force.

I'd need to think about that one a bit more though so don't hinge too much on my wording there.

Chuck Stone wrote: »

What about consenting adults in an equitable relationship?

Let's say a brother and sister of the same age and mental faculties to keep it 'clean'.

I have no idea to be honest...much the same as the above I guess, I'd consider it a confusion of the family bond. You'd probably need a specific test case and then dig a lot deeper into how the connection developed and if there was an absence of any "normal" social opportunities.

stupidusername

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Sexual domination of a mother doesn't equate to wanting to have sex with her...it basically equates to the child either wanting or not wanting siblings I believe. The child will try to exert influence, whether it knows it or not, to try and get the result it wants. It's an example of subconscious attempts to actualise desire at a very early age.

Interesting. thanks for explaining that.

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I don't think the general societal idea that incest is wrong is just based on the idea of "yuck", but rather on the expansion of the human social need and the development of the concept of tribalism and expansion. For a long time human have wanted family members to meet people from other places, even if it was just the next tribe one village over. A lot of the reasons would be, i guess, economic. If a father can have sex and a relationship with a woman, birth a child and then down the line have sex with the child and birth another child he has an ever expanding family that needs to be fed and looked after.

Whatever the reason, scientific advancement now lets us know that one of the main reasons we became so dominant is the method of our reproduction and growth. Being able to combine our genetic data in assorted combinations has been nothing but a strength to us...so a wholesale embrace of humanity of the idea that incest is alright would probably be a bad thing.

I think that there's substance behind the idea that humans want to breed with as different a person/race as possible, in order to ensure spreading of their genes and chances of continuing their bloodline. I do agree that it's probably quite a natural instinct to go as far as possible in terms of reproduction, but I'm not sure that I believe the 'euwwww' reaction is because of this knowledge/instinct we all have. I'm not saying that I think more people than are willing to admit it think it's ok, but I think the 'euuuwwww' response is more learned than instinctual. look at those in this thread that basically said 'euuuwww' to it - how many actually explained in facts/reasoning why it's wrong?

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

With regards to a parent reciprocating...once again it's not really something I can try and explain, people will do what they do and justify it to themselves, and despite a general desire to avoid hyperbole I guess you could float the idea that the emotional manipulation of a child which leads towards sexual intercourse is just as bad as parents who sexually abuse their children by force.

I'd need to think about that one a bit more though so don't hinge too much on my wording there.

I can see how incest would come about through abuse or manipulation of a child mind, but what I don't quite get is how it comes about that a child would be in love with his/her parent, with absolutely no abuse/manipulation, and with a perfectly healthy childhood. that is, unless Freuds theory is to be believed.

prinz

stupidusername wrote: »

I'm not saying that I think more people than are willing to admit it think it's ok, but I think the 'euuuwwww' response is more learned than instinctual. look at those in this thread that basically said 'euuuwww' to it - how many actually explained in facts/reasoning why it's wrong?

Evolutionary psychology has given us that 'eeuwww' reaction to incest. Somethings you just 'know' are wrong. You don't need to sit down and draw up the pros and cons of everything.