Pyjama girls...Doc rte 10;15pm

Monty Burnz

It must be pretty galling when the pyjama people go into the shops around the IFSC and buy their stuff from the people behind the counter who earn minimum wage. They probably end up with similar money at the end of the week.

Stark

rovert wrote: »

And the bankers
And the public servants

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

^ Waves fist at the sky in boardse fashion.

And repeat "two wrongs make a right. Two wrongs make a right".

Sesudra

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It must be pretty galling when the pyjama people go into the shops around the IFSC and buy their stuff from the people behind the counter who earn minimum wage. They probably end up with similar money at the end of the week.

I was in this position for a couple of years! It was pretty soul destroying taking loads of abuse from them and catching them shop lifting, knowing that they didn't care. At the same time, it was pretty sad watching the film last night. The girls seemed bright and funny but you got the definite sense that there wasn't much of a future in store for them beyond having a kid and wearing pyjamas for the rest of their life

coolabula

I just watched it there on the player, and i feel really sorry for the main girl. Her mother is a junkie who abandoned her at 6 and comes back into her life every now and then and beats the crap out of her!!
Her grandmother obviously cant manage a teenager, she had 12 children herself of which only 5 are still alive, and are drug users.

You really cant blame the kids in this documentary for the way they are, they are still kids (or where when the programme was filmed). I would have anger issues if my mother treated me that way and I had no idea who my Dad was.

They have to act hard to keep going, you cant show any weakness.

I really hope she got some help and her and her sister are looking out for each other.

Monty Burnz

coolabula wrote: »

I really hope she got some help and her and her sister are looking out for each other.

Good post. As I said, the pyjamas are just a symptom of other, bigger issues.

A Disgrace

CiaranC wrote: »

No ****. Maybe thats what the documentary was about?

Never mind, we return you to your regularly scheduled obnoxious laugh-at-the-poor boards.ie drivel

What on earth?

Monty Burnz

A Disgrace wrote: »

What on earth?

I think it's a case of another poster projecting what he wants onto other peoples' posts, so he can feel superior to them.

He also feels superior to people with multiple sclerosis.

CiaranC wrote: »

hurr pyjamas hurr

spastics

mach1982

For the people who are calling them lazy and wasters, it not their fault. What if it you been born into their situation, how would you have turn out ,you had a loving family and parents, people who care about you, they did not .

While I'll admit their dress sense is not to my taste, and would look at them in disgust if I saw them , I think it's society fault. We're all laughing at them, but will anyone actual help them?


Just read that back to myself and I sound like Reverend Lovejoy's wife from the Simpson " will some think about children"

Monty Burnz

mach1982 wrote: »

While I'll admit there dress sense is not to my taste, an would look at them in disgust if I saw them , I think it's society fault. We're all laughing at them, but will anyone actual help them?

I got there before you...

Monty Burnz wrote: »

<dons socialist hat>
I blame society.
<doffs said hat>

Their circumstances are to blame, but so are they. If they want to break the cycle, the opportunities are there.

amacachi

mach1982 wrote: »

For the people who are calling them lazy and wasters, it not their fault. What if it you been born into their situation, how would you have turn out ,you had a loving family and parents, people who care about you, they did not .

While I'll admit their dress sense is not to my taste, and would look at them in disgust if I saw them , I think it's society fault. We're all laughing at them, but will anyone actual help them?

Live among them or be related to them and come back and say that.

Dubit10

mach1982 wrote: »

For the people who are calling them lazy and wasters, it not their fault. What if it you been born into their situation, how would you have turn out ,you had a loving family and parents, people who care about you, they did not .

While I'll admit their dress sense is not to my taste, and would look at them in disgust if I saw them , I think it's society fault. We're all laughing at them, but will anyone actual help them?


Just read that back to myself and I sound like Reverend Lovejoy's wife from the Simpson " will some think about children"

Nonsense. They get loads of help they are just too lazy and won't try and better themselves for the good of society. They get the same chances in school at a fair education as anybody else in the public system and turn their noses up at it. Added to this they make it harder for teachers to do their job on a daily basis with the kids that want to learn.

I have zero time for the pyjama brigade tbh.

JonathanAnon

"I didnt expect it to go on telly"... Lauren is telling Joe Duffy right now.. :pac:

Amalgam

mach1982 wrote: »

For the people who are calling them lazy and wasters, it not their fault. What if it you been born into their situation, how would you have turn out

There are lots of people born into ****hole areas and waster families, who work out just fine, dumb parents doesn't always mean dumb kids.

I've worked alongside folk from alcoholic families, in really grotty parts of Dublin.. and those people know full well where they're from, but they put that in context and just try and work their way along a better path, without ever wasting the time of the Gardai\Court officials\welfare office staff.

The problem with your wording is, a lot of rather dim (but devious enough to figure they're onto a good thing..) people pick up on that wording very quickly.. and will use that 'excuse' to avoid any social responsibility whatsoever.

alastair

I liked the documentary, the score, and the 'arty' composition/editing. I'd seriously doubt that any Dublin Busses were hired out for fake journeys - to what end, and where would the budget come from? (the IFB are notoriously scabby with funding). The audio mix was hard work all the same.

Accurate reflection of one facet of society that doesn't get much even-tempered profile - what's not to like?

rovert

alastair wrote: »

Accurate reflection of one facet of society that doesn't get much even-tempered profile - what's not to like?

A lot of people especially on twitter cant grasp anything beyond the title of documentary.

walshb

Karsini wrote: »

I wonder how much of it was scripted too?

Even making allowances for scripting it was pretty awful sh1te. So glad I missed the first 40 mins of it. Feels terrible for having wasted 20 mins of my life on that drivel.

Glenbhoy

du Maurier wrote: »

How about you have a go at Glenbhoy:pac:

Why do you think I chose that username - think of the tongue twisting currently going on in the leafy suburbs!!

BigBrownBear

I was an arsehole when I was 15. I engaged in plenty of anti social behaviour:o.

I have a successful career and am a good family man and contribute both to my local community and society at large.
Basically I was a teenage skanger but I'm not any more:).

Even though it was an appalling piece of film IMO, from someone who obviously wants to connect with 'the working class youth' its more than possible these 15 year olds will actually contribute positively to society as adults as many have before.

On the film itself I found it astounding that it actually won an award of some sort.

Show loads of scenes of.... 'the flats', show them smoking cigarettes as often as possible, have a dreary soundtrack to emphasise their self imposed 'hopelesness'.

I wouldn't be surprised if they bought them the '40 Blue' near the end of the programmed, paid their bus fares and bought them PJ's in the Penneys scene

CiaranC

coolabula wrote: »

You really cant blame the kids in this documentary for the way they are, they are still kids (or where when the programme was filmed). I would have anger issues if my mother treated me that way and I had no idea who my Dad was.

Seems you can. Ireland has plenty of 'scum' alright, and Im not talking about the children in this TV program. What kind of sad, pathetic individual spends their evening spitting hatred and vitriol at children who are victims of drug addiction and abuse. Filth.

humtydumty

Thought this was really fascinating viewing in the sense of watching rare animal in a zoo. I often wonder about 'skanger' type people if they know they are skangers and if so do they not want to do something about it. Having said that I've plenty of experience of working class areas and people and believe 100% that the people who can escape and make something of their lives are the ones who get the parental support and without that all the school interventions and any other type intended to break the cycle haven't much hope. i live in a working class area and know the local school well which is brilliant but it's not going to make much of a difference to some kids lives because their family home is dysfunctional. Take littering. They drum it into them school but when they get home and their parent is chucking their rubbish on the ground what are they going to do.

artful_codger

CiaranC wrote: »

spends their evening spitting hatred and vitriol at children who are victims of drug addiction and abuse.

and spends their days working their b*llocks off to pay for the dysfunctional, illiterate, permanent welfare class.

civilised society is the only victim here.

walshb

BigBrownBear wrote: »

Basically I was a teenage skanger but I'm not any more:).

You're a recovering skanger:)

downburst

I think it was well worth making. So sad to see the potential these kids had as human beings going to almost certain waste. Their lives almost certainly resulting in what would for most be despair. We need a radical overhaul of social welfare now before the problems overwhelm this state. This country is small enough to deal with this, to force responsibilities on fathers, to force social welfare payments linked to hours of some sort of work of any description to instill structure to the week and to setup potential for advancement.
I would introduce a cash bonus for a leaving cert and a degree or other vocational qualification, since clearly the parents don’t see the benefit etc. I would also reward women who manage to not get pregnant in some fashion or other. All this would be measured by the state to see if results could be obtained. We need carrot and heavy sticks here.
Something radical needs to be done as it is shameful. That little 10 year old, imagine what could be done for her? Now imagine what is likely to be her lot in 20 years time under current conditions, and how much the state will pay for it anyway!

dfx-

Appalling film indeed broken shots of Kevin St flats and then Ballyfermot again, no flow to it...and no Dublin Bus goes through Guinness like it showed as she narrated over the footage.

But I don't see any valid reason behind the vitriol that I read here before watching it.

Galwayguy35

downburst wrote: »

I think it was well worth making. So sad to see the potential these kids had as human beings going to almost certain waste. Their lives almost certainly resulting in what would for most be despair. We need a radical overhaul of social welfare now before the problems overwhelm this state. This country is small enough to deal with this, to force responsibilities on fathers, to force social welfare payments linked to hours of some sort of work of any description to instill structure to the week and to setup potential for advancement.
I would introduce a cash bonus for a leaving cert and a degree or other vocational qualification, since clearly the parents don’t see the benefit etc. I would also reward women who manage to not get pregnant in some fashion or other. All this would be measured by the state to see if results could be obtained. We need carrot and heavy sticks here.
Something radical needs to be done as it is shameful. That little 10 year old, imagine what could be done for her? Now imagine what is likely to be her lot in 20 years time under current conditions, and how much the state will pay for it anyway!

So you actually want to pay them to do their Leaving Cert and not to end up pregnant. Who is going to pay for this idea of yours? Imagine paying someone to encourage them to be an actual decent person who wants to finish school and get a job. People should want those things anyway for themselves. I actually pity the teachers that had to face those two everyday.

oranbhoy67

great idea for a documentary.. show a bunch of skanger kids acting like eejits, threatening people, boasting about how tough they are & the drugs they take.. put a "cool" tune over the top of it & therefore encourage every other teenager in Ireland that this is a "cool" way of life...im glad i dont pay my TV licence & never will

A Disgrace

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

great idea for a documentary.. show a bunch of skanger kids acting like eejits, threatening people, boasting about how tough they are & the drugs they take.. put a "cool" tune over the top of it & therefore encourage every other teenager in Ireland that this is a "cool" way of life...im glad i dont pay my TV licence & never will

Again with the 'licence fee' stuff. This was an independent doc, that just happened to be shown by RTE and has been broadcast elsewhere before. None of your non-existent licence fee went into the making of this.

That said, I agree with everything else you said.

rovert

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

great idea for a documentary.. show a bunch of skanger kids acting like eejits, threatening people, boasting about how tough they are & the drugs they take.. put a "cool" tune over the top of it & therefore encourage every other teenager in Ireland that this is a "cool" way of life...im glad i dont pay my TV licence & never will

Or have the ability to read a documentary either for that matter.

suzie987

Potbellydog wrote: »

Theese Dublin skangers are the lowest of the low. Its just a way of life for them. Sub titles to translate the language, no job no prospects , hope, dignity or shame, sad existance realy.

I have seen people wearing pyjamas in Limerick and Cork city . . . lets not forget about our Southern skangers also!

dublinman1990

suzie987 wrote: »

I have seen people wearing pyjamas in Limerick and Cork city . . . lets not forget about our Southern skangers also!

I watched the documentary on Tuesday night and it was pretty depressing to watch.

I'd seen in the previous week; local women in Talbot Street in Dublin walking around in their pyjamas with their children.