6 Nations player of the Championship

Samich · 13-03-2012 7:04pm #1

Sam Warburton
Dan Lydiate,
Alex Cuthbert
Mike Phillips
Julien Malzieu
Yoann Maestri
Imanol Harinordoquy
David Denton
Ross Rennie
Sergio Parisse.
Jonny Sexton
Donnacha Ryan

Am I the only one who questions the inclusion of Mike Phillips, Parisse and Ryan.

Mike Phillips has been his normal self, not done anything exceptional.
Parisse seems to be a team nomination for a trying Italy
Ryan has only started one match?

George North has been really good as has Cuthbert.

Your opinions?

Tox56 · 13-03-2012 7:05pm

It's an absolute joke of a process. More than likely the best player hasn't been nominated.

thomond2006 · 13-03-2012 7:05pm

Utterly retarded system, plus what kind of shortlist has 12 players?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 13-03-2012 7:06pm

Samich wrote: »

Am I the only one who questions the inclusion of Mike Phillips, Parisse and Ryan.

Mike Phillips has been his normal self, not done anything exceptional.
Parisse seems to be a team nomination for a trying Italy
Ryan has only started one match?

George North has been really good as has Cuthbert.

Your opinions?

MOTM winners get automatically nominated. I think that that is all the nominees

durkadurka · 13-03-2012 7:07pm

It's motm award winners. Absolutely daft method of drawing up a short list.

Samich · 13-03-2012 7:08pm

Also how can you pick a winner when 20% of the championship is left?

durkadurka · 13-03-2012 7:10pm

Ryan has started one game for gods sake. He wouldn't even be my top Irish second row!

WeeBushy · 13-03-2012 7:10pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/deadrubber/2012/03/13/six-nations-award-needs-new-approach/

It's a very silly system.

Samich · 13-03-2012 7:13pm

Rob Kearney should be in there too.

Aidric · 13-03-2012 7:15pm

Samich wrote: »

Rob Kearney should be in there too.

Agreed. Player of the 6N for me.

Benny Cake · 13-03-2012 7:29pm

Has this always been the method of selecting the player of the tournament? I've never seen anything more nonsensical in all my life

Podge_irl · 13-03-2012 7:40pm

Benny Cake wrote: »

Has this always been the method of selecting the player of the tournament? I've never seen anything more nonsensical in all my life

No, started last year. Before that it was a public vote based on a shortlist made by rugby press. Before that again I think it was purely voted on by the press (possibly press + players, not sure).

Jimoslimos · 13-03-2012 7:52pm

England having (to date) only played one match at home, which they lost, has probably contributed to their zero nominations, given that the home broadcaster awards the MOTM.

Ludicrous system, I'm not a fan of public based polls but this is even worse

purpleglory · 13-03-2012 8:09pm

Fofana has to be in the reckoning for this. Looks a great prospect!

Hagz · 13-03-2012 8:13pm

I thought this was going to be a suggestion thread and I was about to say one of Fofana, Kearney or Farrell. Now I realize that the thread is a list of those nominated....and that not one of those three is on the list. Stupid.

Blackheath · 13-03-2012 8:17pm

Stephen Ferris

Podge_irl · 13-03-2012 8:21pm

Hagz wrote: »

I thought this was going to be a suggestion thread and I was about to say one of Fofana, Kearney or Farrell. Now I realize that the thread is a list of those nominated....and that not one of those three is on the list. Stupid.

Surely they'll have to change the system for next year. I have no idea why it was changed to this in the first place, but they must realise how farcical it is.

Several of the players nominated have started fewer then 3 games or have been utterly average in all but one of them.

irishbucsfan · 13-03-2012 8:45pm

Just stick up a poll on boards and Kearney will win.and we can just pretend he won it

cgpg5 · 13-03-2012 8:55pm

Also why is it made before a round of games are played? Can they not wait for the completion of the competition? That's not half as stupid though as how they come up with the short-list. Ferris, Farrell, Kearney, Fofana should be on any list. On another note, if Tuilagi had played every game he would be a major contender in my eyes.

onlyrocknroll · 14-03-2012 9:53am

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

MOTM winners get automatically nominated. I think that that is all the nominees

Meaning that it's thanks to RTE that Philips makes the list and North doesn't.

Also Ireland should have two players there, only they should be Kearney and Ferris.

ButtersSuki · 14-03-2012 10:02am

For me, the player of the tournament so far has been Stephen Ferris. Absolutely awesome in every game since the Welsh game. He was clearly the MOTM against France and Scotland but Donal Lenihan's fondness for Munster players (admittedly nowhere near as blatant or biased as Frankie Sheahan) meant he gave it to Donnacha Ryan against Scotland and the BBC opted for the easy option in giving it to Tommy Bowe on the back of his two tries v France.

Amazotheamazing · 14-03-2012 10:12am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

For me, the player of the tournament so far has been Stephen Ferris. Absolutely awesome in every game since the Welsh game. He was clearly the MOTM against France and Scotland but Donal Lenihan's fondness for Munster players (admittedly nowhere near as blatant or biased as Frankie Sheahan) meant he gave it to Donnacha Ryan against Scotland and the BBC opted for the easy option in giving it to Tommy Bowe on the back of his two tries v France.

As opposed to Tony Ward who nearly always gives it to whoever's playing outhalf? Commentators tend to look at who is playing where they used to play, imo. For me, Sexton or Ryan haven't been close to Kearney or Ferris.

.ak · 14-03-2012 10:23am

Utter madness that Fofana and North aren't there.

ButtersSuki · 14-03-2012 11:40am

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

For me, Sexton or Ryan haven't been close to Kearney or Ferris.

Wasn't debating that! Not sure how or why we're even talking about Ryan after one game.

onlyrocknroll · 14-03-2012 11:55am

I don't think that either Ryan or Sexton deserves to be shortlisted, but just to give some balance...

Ryan has had one huge performance and some very impressive appearances from the bench. If Kidney had actually been starting him in each match he may well have earned a spot on the list.

Sexton too has been playing well. He's been fantastic in defence and has been generally very solid and dependable. There's no other 10 in the Northern Hemisphere that I'd pick over him.

jimbomalley · 14-03-2012 12:14pm

Tommy boweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Just wanted to get that in first!

On a more serious note, ferris or kearney for Ireland, farrell for engurland - serious talent there, north for the welsh, hairydonkey for France, gray for the scots, nobody for the italians stands out to be honest

Rattlehead_ie · 14-03-2012 12:17pm

It is a stupid process, Its the MOTM from each game and then out of those players a vote is put in against those 12.

In my opinion from an Irish perspective I believe Ryan deserved man of the match for the game. He was outstanding under the circumstances and did his job perfectly well, but doesn't deserve the championship accolade. It may appear that he will only have started one game by the time the championship is over.

Ferris and Kearny to me have been by far the stand out Irish players. I'm wasn't a big fan of Kearny to be honest, he has (in the past) been inconsistent., but this and last season at provincial and international level he has been great at going forward, under ball and defence.
Ferris has been amazing and his hard hitting going forward or defending is beyond anyone else. The prob with Ferris is that he will never win player of the championship. My understanding is the player has to be human. Ferris is a machine made by the Gods

shrapnel222 · 14-03-2012 12:38pm

fofana should be there as should Richie Gray. he really has been immense for Scotland.

errlloyd · 14-03-2012 4:01pm

Here can someone clarify, are MOTM winners the only ones nominated, or is that just the automatic process? As in, can the press nominate Kearney and Ferris to ad to this list?

Podge_irl · 14-03-2012 4:02pm

errlloyd wrote: »

Here can someone clarify, are MOTM winners the only ones nominated, or is that just the automatic process? As in, can the press nominate Kearney and Ferris to ad to this list?

Only ones.

Fishooks12 · 14-03-2012 4:08pm

My own list:

Denton
Rennie
Parrise
Ferris
Kearney
Chuthburt
North
Farrell

dougieruggie · 14-03-2012 4:40pm

To be honest the whole selection process is a joke. Ryan is nominated for player of the tournament having only played one game.

Whats funnier is that the Munster community will make every effort to ensure that everyone votes for him so theres a good chance he'll win it.

Tox56 · 14-03-2012 4:41pm

dougieruggie wrote: »

To be honest the whole selection process is a joke. Ryan is nominated for player of the tournament having only played one game.

Whats funnier is that the Munster community will make every effort to ensure that everyone votes for him so theres a good chance he'll win it.

No.. you didn't.. YOU DIDNT.. NO

dougieruggie · 14-03-2012 4:42pm

?

Fishooks12 · 14-03-2012 4:45pm

dougieruggie wrote: »

?

Provincial bull****, not taken too kindly on this forum

I'm a Munster fan and wouldn't vote for Ryan

Foxtrol · 14-03-2012 4:48pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Provincial bull****, not taken too kindly on this forum

I'm a Munster fan and wouldn't vote for Ryan

Have a look at the Munster forum. Someone’s already been on it trying to rally votes for Ryan.

Fishooks12 · 14-03-2012 4:50pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Have a look at the Munster forum. Someone’s already been on it trying to rally votes for Ryan.

This isn't the Munster forum, and so what if they are, christ it's a bull**** nomination system anyway

dougieruggie · 14-03-2012 4:51pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Provincial bull****, not taken too kindly on this forum

I'm a Munster fan and wouldn't vote for Ryan

What the hell are you talking about?

Ryan doesn't deserve to be MOTM after one game and there is already a thread on Munsterfans.com rallying for votes for him.

I've no idea how what I said was 'provincial bull****'

I simply pointed out that with the huge support Munster have, he could easily get voted player of the championship. Talk about being outrageously sensitive.

dougieruggie · 14-03-2012 4:54pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

This isn't the Munster forum, and so what if they are, christ it's a bull**** nomination system anyway

I really think you need to calm down.

No one is criticising Munster. Jesus christ you're going to get me banned for a perceived slight on Munster that just wasn't there. I wasn't criticising Munster rugby or their fans at all.

Tox56 · 14-03-2012 4:55pm

dougieruggie wrote: »

What the hell are you talking about?

Ryan doesn't deserve to be MOTM after one game and there is already a thread on Munsterfans.com rallying for votes for him.

I've no idea how what I said was 'provincial bull****'

I simply pointed out that with the huge support Munster have, he could easily get voted player of the championship. Talk about being outrageously sensitive.

There's a Leinster player also in the running, it just looked suspicoiusly specific to highlight a Munster player.

dougieruggie · 14-03-2012 4:56pm

Tox56 wrote: »

There's a Leinster player also in the running, it just looked suspicoiusly specific to highlight a Munster player.

I'm highlighting him because hes played ONE game and is nominated. I am pointing out the faults in the MOTM nomination system.

I will repeat, I am not criticising Munster at all. I am sorry if it appeared that way. Ryan is a great player by the way.

Tox56 · 14-03-2012 4:59pm

dougieruggie wrote: »

I'm highlighting him because hes played ONE game and is nominated. I am pointing out the faults in the MOTM nomination system.

I will repeat, I am not criticising Munster at all. I am sorry if it appeared that way. Ryan is a great player by the way.

Well he's only started one game, but it is a completely ridiculous system. He should be in there by right having started every game of the Championship, which I am convinced he would have been.

dougieruggie · 14-03-2012 5:01pm

O.K listen I don't want to get banned so I'll retract that.

Ryan deserves to win 6 nations player of the championship.

I'm bowing out now.

justsomebloke · 14-03-2012 5:01pm

A reminder to everyone to not feed the trolls

Fireball07 · 14-03-2012 5:07pm

Considering the actual best player in the tournament (Kearney) hasn't been included in the nominations, I have no problem voting for Ryan. If he wins, having only played 2 games, they might realise what a ridiculous system it is in the first place.

Foxtrol · 14-03-2012 5:07pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

This isn't the Munster forum, and so what if they are, christ it's a bull**** nomination system anyway

Two posts from the boards.ie Munster thread:

CiaranMT wrote:

http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/player_of_rbs_6_nations.php

Let's get Dryan to Number 1

phog wrote:

Done and delighted to do so, hadn't realised that we could vote.

You cant deny what dougieruggie said is accurate so there’s no point in trying to make it a provincial issue. I haven't seen any similar posts on the Leinster thread but I’m sure he’d make the same sort of comments if there was the same sort of rallying for Sexton (in my case I'd say they were as wrong if there were).

As I posted over on the Munster thread, it’ll be extremely embarrassing for Kidney if Ryan ended up winning.

Podge_irl · 14-03-2012 5:13pm

Public votes being stupid popularity contests shocker!

dougieruggie · 14-03-2012 5:14pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Two posts from the boards.ie Munster thread:

You cant deny what dougieruggie said is accurate so there’s no point in trying to make it a provincial issue. I haven't seen any similar posts on the Leinster thread but I’m sure he’d make the same sort of comments if there was the same sort of rallying for Sexton (in my case I'd say they were as wrong if there were).

As I posted over on the Munster thread, it’ll be extremely embarrassing for Kidney if Ryan ended up winning.

Exactly. Theres nothing wrong with it, I voted for Sexton myself so I've no idea why some people have interpreted it as an attack on Munster. I am attacking the system itself more than anything where players can play one game and get nominated for player of the tournament and then ultimately the vote is decided by a public who will inevitably plump for their own countries player or their own clubs player. The system just doesnt result in the best player of the tournament being picked a lot of the time. I received an infraction for saying that but its the truth. Sure didnt Bowe win it one year completely undeservedly?

BoarHunter · 14-03-2012 7:48pm

If Fofana scores a try against Wales he will enter a very short list of players who managed to score a try on each game of the same tournament since 1882

HC Catcheside England 1924
Arthur Cooper Wallace Scotland 1925
Patrick Esteve France 1983
Philippe Sella France 1986
Alan Tait Scotland 1999
Philippe Bernat-Salles France 2001

Flincher · 14-03-2012 8:17pm

I think ROG managed to score tries in four games in 2007. And people say he has no running game :P

This selection system is a joke. To think the likes of Fofana or Kearney would not be nominated just because they didn't win man of the match is ridiculous, especially considering Malzieu is nominated while Fofana is not.

The likes of Grey, Fofana, Kearney, Farrell are the players people should be deciding between.

Fishooks12 · 14-03-2012 8:20pm

Flincher wrote: »

I think ROG managed to score tries in four games in 2007. And people say he has no running game :P

This selection system is a joke. To think the likes of Fofana or Kearney would not be nominated just because they didn't win man of the match is ridiculous, especially considering Malzieu is nominated while Fofana is not.

The likes of Grey, Fofana, Kearney, Farrell are the players people should be deciding between.

A player not deemed good enough for his own squad is nominated, says it all really

6 Nations player of the Championship

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