Cheltenham - Day 2 - Wednesday

geekfromduleek

Can Carlito Brigante do it again in the Coral cup?

Gentlemen your thoughts please?

Morleystreet

Bout break even for Tuesday, so prob go for following tomorrow

14:05. Make your mark
14:40 first lieutenant
15:20 not the top two, maybe finians.
16:00 one of the top two, decide tomorrow
16:40 gorgeous sixty

sting60

Teeforthree ,Batonnier nap 12/1,Grand Cru would like softer ground lay,SilverHand is well in and will love the ground,A good contact of mine has told me Vendor will be very hard to beat,Viginia Ash has a hugh turn of foot 50/1.Sizing Europe is very short will have no bet because i love the horse and hope he wins[for the most down to earth jockey riding.Some crack in the pound pub in Swords if he wins.

ForeverYoung90

2.40 RSA CHASE
First Lieutenant e/w @5s
Well fancied for a while now worth an e/w punt should be in top 3 so money back if doesnt win.

3.20 QUEEN MOTHER
Kauto Stone e/w @16s
Ruby Walsh on board and Nicholls as trainer surely a perfect match value at 16s?

the groutch

ForeverYoung90 wrote: »

3.20 QUEEN MOTHER
Kauto Stone e/w @16s
Ruby Walsh on board and Nicholls as trainer surely a perfect match value at 16s?

Ruby said at a preview evening that he expects to finish 2nd on this one, so much think it's good enough to beat Big Zeb & Finnian's.

think it could be a good day for Ruby with Gorgeous Sixty & Pique Sous in the last two races.

Goldcupfav

1.30 No bet race for me.

2.05 Loving Sous Les Cieux in this think the step up in trip and better ground will see vast improvement in this horse. Big EW bet.

2.40 Bobs Worth

3.20 Finians Rainbow horse runs best fresh imo and didnt have a long enough break before his last race at Ascot.

4.00 Tough race to call Knights Pass interests me but Balgarry could be thrown in here

4.40 Sportsmaster ew at a price hoping the first time blinkers and better ground will help.

5.15 Strange selection but i actually quiet fancy Yes Way Hosey at 33/1.

RichieLawlor

Day 2 here for anyone interested

leggit

Won't bet on all of these but if I had to pick one for each:

1.30 Harry the Viking
2.05 Battonier
2.40 Bobs Worth
3.20 Sizing Europe
4.00 Silverhand
4.40 Argocat
5.15 Pique Sous

UnitedIrishman

Am I missing something here? Sir Johnson is 14/1 in the bumper tomorrow and Royal Guardsman is 7/1 despite the former beating the latter by 8 lengths at Aintree in October, and was also giving Guardsman 7 lbs. On good ground too so nothing to do with it being soft etc.

I'm aware that Royal Guardsman looked impressive enough last time out but surely the 14/1 is worth a punt on an unbeaten horse whose form stands up (Talk on the Street was 2nd - form now reads 22351; Special Catch was 3rd - future form 513; and Royal Guardsman 4th; even Merry King back in 6th went on to win twice).

I'll be getting on it anyways.

Other bets:
EW Lucky 15 - Teaforthree, Monksland, Finians Rainbow and Balgarry.

Singles and an EW double - Join Together and Sir Johnson.

monaghanman10

Horrendous day today.
Anyway for tomorrow im thinking 40 on grand crus 40 on sizing and 20 on the double.if either wins ill almost break even .nice profit if both do.
10r ew on new years eve also
Might leave it at that.
Any opinions or other tips?

Lapin

1.30 Soll
2.05 Batonnier
2.40 First Lieutenant
3.20 Kauto Stone E/W
4.00 Carlito Brigante E/W
4.40 Gorgeous Sixty*
5.15 Pique Sous*

* Not fully decided on the last two selections yet and could change them after the Morning Line tomorrow. But I also think Ruby could be in for a good day tomorrow so I'll go along with them for now.

In the feature, Sizing Europe was a serious consideration, but poor value and getting burnt by his stable mate today have moved me to seek value in Kauto Stone instead. In any case, I'll be playing with a lot more caution tomorrow than I did today, and the bookies won't lose any sleep over the amounts I'm betting with tomorrow.

sting60

Friend rang me from Cheltenham ,he was talking in a restaurant to Tom Segal and he gave him Megastar for Coral Cup,he got me 25/1 with Hills.

mike.l

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 14
Race 1 - 1:30 Allee Garde
Race 2 - 2:05 Sous Les Cieux
Race 3 - 2:40 Grands Crus
Race 4 - 3:20 Big Zeb
Race 5 - 4:00 Carlito Brigante
Race 6 - 4:40 Kazlian
Race 7 - 5:15 The New One

Shane732

Simonsig was very impressive last time out. Just watched the race back there and Barry really took the pis* out of the rest of the field.

Is Fingal Bay injured at the moment?

ft9

1.30 Teaforthree
2.05 Sous Les Cieux
2.40 Grand Crus
3.20 Sizing Europe, Kauto Stone ew
4.00 Megastar ew
4.40 Vendor
5.15 New Years Eve

byhookorbycrook

got an insider tip for Finians.

tonic wine

sting60 wrote: »

Friend rang me from Cheltenham ,he was talking in a restaurant to Tom Segal and he gave him Megastar for Coral Cup,he got me 25/1 with Hills.

Big gamble on him all day from 33's to 16's, reverting now back to hurdles.
good form as a novice hurdler, finishing 2nd to rock on ruby 14 months ago.

byhookorbycrook

geekfromduleek wrote: »

Can Carlito Brigante do it again in the Coral cup?

Gentlemen your thoughts please?

Some of us are ladies:D

mailburner

big single on sizing, will surely win this but after hurricane...

double sizing and grand crus

single on vendor

Oscars Well.

I've layed Simonsig, backed Get Me Out of Here and have heard Chill is well fancied to place in the Fred Winter at 25/1.

razor425

Thoughts on Secret Edge in the 2.05?? Surely has solid e/w claims?

UrbanSea

I like Dare Me and Cool George for tomorrow. CG in the bumper

Howjoe1

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

got an insider tip for Finians.

reliable? should I risk 50 cent or €50 ?

byhookorbycrook

As close to the horse's mouth as it Am always wary of telling people to put anything bigger than €10 on!!I'll be putting €20 to win

Howjoe1

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

As close to the horse's mouth as it Am always wary of telling people to put anything bigger than €10 on!!I'll be putting €20 to win

thanks. i won't go too mad with stake and i won't hunt you down if it loses:D

Vain

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

As close to the horse's mouth as it Am always wary of telling people to put anything bigger than €10 on!!I'll be putting €20 to win

What race?

Local_Chap

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 14
Race 1 - 1:30 Allee Garde
Race 2 - 2:05 Sous Les Cieux
Race 3 - 2:40 Grands Crus
Race 4 - 3:20 Big Zeb
Race 5 - 4:00 Carlito Brigante
Race 6 - 4:40 No Bet
Race 7 - 5:15 Champagne Fever

dodzy

Vain wrote: »

What race?

Post #16;)

MarkY91

lost 50 euro on hurricane flop today but ended the day with a profit after my backup rock on ruby won and quevega so im hoping for some more fortune.

thoughts please lads?

1:30 ALLE GARDE - 5 euro win

2:40 GRAND CRUZ - 10 euro win

3:20 KAUTO STONE - 2 euro e.w

4:40 KAZLIAN - 2 euro win

5:15 - PIQUE SOUS 2 euro e.w

double on GRAND CRUZ & SIZING EUROPE - 5 euro


any replies would be appreciated.

MoscowFlyer

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

As close to the horse's mouth as it Am always wary of telling people to put anything bigger than €10 on!!I'll be putting €20 to win

I will kill you if it doesn't come in

d-gal

1.30 - four commanders
2.05 - Simonsig (Have Sous le cieux at 14s as well antepost)
2.40 - Bobs Worth/First Lieutenant (Gut sez First but got strong word for Bob)
3.20 - Sizing Europe win and Realt Dubh for a place
4.00 - Stonemaster (due a big race and Hughes is no mug)
4.40 - Ulck Du lin (shot in the dark really, awful hard race)
5.15 - Clonbanan lad (will not be his preferred ground but this horse is a machine)

Not a day to go mad on but might do a lucky 31 with the bigger odds and a small treble with Sizing/Simonsig/Bobs Worth

monaghanman10

monaghanman10 wrote: »

..........
Anyway for tomorrow ............ ... grand crus ..................
Any opinions or other tips?

That's the only one I'd be tempted to back tomorrow
I reckon Grand Crus will be a brilliant chaser over the coming years, starting tomorrow

MoscowFlyer

Excited to see one of my favourite horses tomorrow in Grand Crus. Such a special little animal.

My big fancy tomorrow is in the last. Moscow Mannon.

byhookorbycrook

MoscowFlyer wrote: »

I will kill you if it doesn't come in

Nothing to what I'll do to my insider!!Ruby has been quoted as saying Kauto Stone won't win but may come second, hard to know what to do.

Still recovering from the loss of Garde Champetre and Scots Irish, two good horses.

Woddle

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 14
Race 1 - 1:30 Teaforthree and Lively Baron
Race 2 - 2:05 Simonsig
Race 3 - 2:40 Grands Crus

Race 5 - 4:00 Balgarry but I do like two of the other Pipe horses Poole master and Star of angels (55 on BF) aswell as Third intention (32 on BF)

nudger

1.30 4 Commanders
2.05 Nelsons Bridge (ew)
2.40 First Lieutenant
3.20 Kauto stone
4.00 Son of Flica (ew)
4.40 blue Cannon (ew)
5.15 Sir Johnston

The Mollusc

My bets, all each way.

1:30 - Teaforthree
2:05 - Sous Les Cieux
2:40 - First Lieutenant
3:20 - Kauto Stone
4:00 - Carlito Brigante/Abergavenny. Haven't decided yet...
5:15 - Pique Sous

tonic wine

1:30 - Teaforthree
2:05 - Monksland
2:40 - First Lieutenant
3:20 - SE
4:00 - Cape Dutch
4.40 - Gorgeous Sixty / Kazlian
5:15 - Village Vic

MidnightQueen

13:30 Harry The Viking 6/1 and Alee Garde 13/2
14:05 SIMONSIG 5/2 and Monksland 11/2
14:40 Join Together 11/2 and Bobs Worth 7/2
15:20 Sizing Europe 10/11 and Finians Rainbow 4/1
16:00 Balgarry 7/1
16:40 Kazlian 15/2
17:15 Moscow Mannon 6/1

Couldnt make up my mind on a few. LOL Hard to pick em today!!

Nulty

1:30 - Alfie Spinner
2:05 - Cotton Mill
2:40 - Join Together
3:20 - SE
4:00 - Abergavenny
4.40 - Ardlui
5:15 - Village Vic

Gavin "shels"

1:30 - Teaforthree
2:05 - Simonsig/Make Your Mark e/w
2:40 - First Lieutenant/Join Together e/w
3:20 - Sizing Europe/Kauto Stone e/w
4:00 - Saphir River e/w
4.40 - Vendor/Edeymi/Kapga De Gerisey
5:15 - New Years Eve/Clonbanan Lad/Moscow Mannon


Nothing backed yet, Hurricane killed two big bets I had so playing it much safer today.

rossom

Here's my selections for the day

2.05

MONKSLAND 11/2

I'm quite sweet on the chances of Noel Meade's 5 year old who has won on his 3 starts to date. On his 3rd and final start, Monksland fulfilled the promise connections knew he possessed when a very impressive winner on heavy ground when scooting clear of the field at ease in a Grade 2. The form of that race looks very strong with the 2nd Lyreen Legend winning a Grade 2 himself impressively in the interim period and I think this horse may be a little bit special. His trainer Noel Meade says he is certain to improve for the better ground and although current favourite Simonsig will be hard to beat, I'm confident Monksland can land this race under the guidance of Paul Carberry.


2.40

GRAND CRUS 11/8

Pretty surprised to see Grand Crus available at such a big price and with connections seriously considering entering this novice chaser into the Gold Cup until the last minute. David Pipe's 7 year old is unbeaten over fences in 3 starts, beating the 2nd favourite in this race Bobs Worth a shade cosily on his final start (although that rival has had a wind operation subsequently which should see him improve). He came 2nd to the amazing Big Bucks twice over hurdles last year and I'll be pretty surprised if he isn't good enough to win this.

3.20

SIZING EUROPE 10/11

All about the defending champion Sizing Europe for me here. Henry De Bromhead's 10 year old was an impressive winner of this race last year and seems to have improve again by slamming his opponents in the Tingle Creek back in December before easily beating what many believe to be his main rival Big Zeb at Punchestown last month. Although Big Zeb's connections believe the ground was too soft that day and Colm Murphy is fantastic at getting his horses ready for big races, I can't see the winner of this race in 2010 bettering his 2nd to Sizing Europe in this race last year. I'm not a fan of Finnian's Rainbow at all and I'll be very surprised if Sizing Europe isn't victorious for the 2nd consecutive year.

4.00

SON OF FLICKA NAP 40/1 & CARLITO BRIGANTE 16/1

SON OF FLICKA (NAP) is either going to go very close to winning or finish absolutely nowhere but I think that this could be a classic plot by Donald McCain. This 8 year old has been in absolutely terrible form this year but as a result he has become very well handicapped. 12 months ago Son of Flicka was seen finishing a narrowly beaten 2nd in the Martin Pipe Conditionals Handicap Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival off a 5lb higher mark when being beaten by the excellent Sir Des Champs. Sir Des Champs has since become an excellent chaser, winning his only 3 starts in that sphere to date which have included to Grade 2s. This, and previous efforts behind Russian War and Quartz De Thaix demonstrate that on his day he is a very talented horse and there was no fluke about his 2nd last year. I have a strong feeling that connections have had this race in their mind for quite a while and have tried to get his handicap mark down to a level that he looks thrown in on and it seems they have done that. With trainer Donald McCain in great form, with stable jockey Jason Maguire on for the first time since May 2010, with a record at Cheltenham of finishing beaten less than 1.5L on his 2 starts and with money coming I really think that he could be thrown in off his current mark and 40/1 could be made ridiculous at the end of the race tomorrow.

Another tough race with a massive 28 runners going to post. Not a race for big bets as there could easily be a horse in this race who is much better than his form figures. The second horse I'm siding with is CARLITO BRIGANTE, the winner of this race 12 months ago. This Gordon Elliot trained 6 year old was a very, very impressive winner of this race last year and despite having to carry a stone more in racing weight tomorrow under the welter burden of top weight, I am confident he is good enough to cope with this rise. In the 2 months after the festival last year Carlito Brigante demonstrated how classy an animal he truly is when posting an excellent 4th behind Big Bucks and Grand Crus at Aintree before bettering that result at the Punchestown Festival when finishing 3rd behind the extremely talented Quevega and Mourad and beating Voler La Vedette, who has won 2 Grade 2s and a Grade 1 subsequently. Although very poor in his only subsequent hurdles race back in October, I'm willing to overlook that latest effort. With a recent spin on the flat to get him race fit (ran very encouragingly), I'm confident he's been able to improve enough since last year now that he is a 6 year old and with Elliott's ability to get them ready for Cheltenham plus Carlito Brigante's affinity for the course he looks a very good e/w price.


4.40

ULCK DU LIN 12/1

Ulck Du Lin is a French recruit for the excellent Paul Nicholls stable who will be making his debut for this yard at the festival. With a handicap mark of 130 achieved in France, I'm convinced Nicholls has yet to run him in England to protect his mark specifically for this race and with the natural improvement he gets from similar recruits I think that a mark of 130 should be well within his capabilities and fancy him to go very close. Although Ruby Walsh has chosen Willie Mullins' Gorgeous Sixty Instead, Daryl Jacob is a more than capable jockey and Ruby may have decided to go with a horse who has form in the book.

5.15

COOL GEORGE 28/1

I have already backed the two horses battling for favouritism in this race in the shape of MOSCOW MANNON and NEW YEARS EVE at 16/1 and 25/1 respectively and although I think they will both take all the beating, I think the value in both horses no longer remains. One at a bigger price is unfancied trainer Miss Jackie Du Plessis' Cool George who was successful on his only start to date back in January. That day, Cool George never broke sweat as he came home a very facile winner by 9L and the form of that race looks pretty strong. The 2nd Umdachar won on his next start before coming a narrowly beaten 2nd in a Listed bumper at the weekend. Considering how easy a winner he was that day and with natural improvement, its really difficult to say how good this horse really is but if he was with one of the top trainers I think he's be at least half the price in the betting. This is a very open race but I couldn't help but be very impressed with him on his debut and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he goes very close to winning this at a big price.

grohlisagod

Each way singles on Monksland and Carlito Brigante for me. Had to back Carlito, I f*cking love that film.

Lapin

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

got an insider tip for Finians.

I'm always wary of such tips around prestigious race meetings.

Every stable sending a horse to a race like the Queen Mother Chase does so in the expectation that it has an excellent chance of winning. And as such, connections to a particular horse are likely to be more confident about its chances. Ask enough people around the 8 yards represented in this years race and you'll end up with a reason why every horse should win.

I'd be more inclined to listen to such a tip from an insider connected to a horse in the run up to a midweek or Grade 2 race in Navan or Newcastle where expectations may not be so high outside the stable yard. Even when the owners & trainers talk down any chance their horse may have. (But thats what all owners & trainers ever do anyway).

There is a tip for every horse at Cheltenham. Just read all these forums !


Now, after saying all that, I am actually tempted to have a little shilling on the Rainbow to win it. I think Sizing Europe can be beaten and I'd give Geraghty every chance of doing it.

But for me, the value in this race lies in Kauto Stone for a place finish and if I can get him at around 16s in the morning I'll take it.

Best of luck, and I hope Finian's Rainbow comes home first for you.

Shane732

Sizing Europe is gone evens....

Sacred_git

woeful day yesterday.....the ironic part being my free 5 euro (e/w double) bet in ladbrokes(well free fiver bet) had me going into the last race with a 75 e/w bet on a 50/1 shot - alas it din't come off but we shall try again!!

my bets:

Call The Police e/w Single 20/1

Simonsig, Vendor 50.00 e/w Double

Kauto Stoneee e/w Single16/1

Megastar e/w Single 16/1

and my outside €5 e/w ladbrokes paper bet!!

Colonel Sanders

Plenty of 6/4 Grand Crus. 2.38 on Betfair

Mimikyu

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Drummerboy2

SON OF FLICKA NAP 40/1

Now 25/1 with Paddy Power

Rooy

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

SON OF FLICKA NAP 40/1

Now 25/1 with Paddy Power

22/1 now , I stuck a small wager on horse based on Rossom's comments earlier , but reading his form over the last few races it is hard to see him in contention here , but lets see !

Rooy

John Duggan's tips for today for anyone interested ;

5.15 - €75 each way Royal Guardsman at 8/1

3.20 - €100 win Sizing Europe at EVS

2.40 - €50 each way Walkon at 33/1

1.30 - €25 each way Universal Soldier at 14/1

4.00 - €25 each way Poole Master at 14/1

4.40 - €25 each way Royal Bonsai at 20/1

John Duggans tips on Today FM