Do you believe in angels?

shimmery

Over the past few months I have been reading the books by Lorna Byrne based on her experiences with angels, and all they have taught her. It really has reignited my belief in God, I am wondering has anyone else hear read these books?Or themselves had an experience with angels?
I am writing this in the Ladies Lounge, as I attended her book signing at the weekend, and the majority of those attending were women, bar two or three men!!

shimmery

fatmammycat

Nope, I think she's fraud and happy to take people's money.

shimmery

In relation to fattammycat, Lorna has said that she would prefer her books to be sold for 3 or 5 eur, as cheap as possible in order for them to reach as many people as possible, but production/promotion costs reflect their price. I am of the understanding that she donates quite an amount to charity also.

the_syco

shimmery wrote: »

In relation to fattammycat, Lorna has said that she would prefer her books to be sold for 3 or 5 eur

How much are the books? €40?

shimmery

Around 9 euro.

fatmammycat

What she would like to do doesn't alter my opinion of her at all. in my opinion she's a grade A spoofer, right up there with 'psychic' Sally. Plus a quick look on Amazon confirms she doesn't even drop the price there where there are no overheads.

Fluorescence

No, but my aunt is really convinced by them. She has cards she consults and everything.

shimmery

But she is not a psychic like 'Sally' and never claims to be. She talks to angels and spreads their teachings. Angels do not predict our futures, as they are only guides. Have you read her books? I would prefer to hear opinions of those who have read her books, and the conclusions they have come to, if thats ok.

Dave!

Never heard of her, but why would her personal experiences influence your own belief in God? She could have totally made them up for all you know! I can understand if you had personal experiences of your own, but taking someone else's unsubstantiated claims as a reason to believe in something is a bit mad.

fatmammycat

Dave! wrote: »

Never heard of her, but why would her personal experiences influence your own belief in God? She could have totally made them up for all you know! I can understand if you had personal experiences of your own, but taking someone else's unsubstantiated claims as a reason to believe in something is a bit mad.

Exactly, she says she's talks to angels, but I very much doubt that.

Fluorescence

shimmery wrote: »

But she is not a psychic like 'Sally' and never claims to be. She talks to angels and spreads their teachings. Angels do not predict our futures, as they are only guides. Have you read her books? I would prefer to hear opinions of those who have read her books, and the conclusions they have come to, if thats ok.

If that's the case, you may have better luck in the Christianity or Spirituality (where there appears to be a thread about angels) forums here. You may find people who are familiar with what you're talking about there

shimmery

I have on some occasions had what you might call a supernatural experience. Her books are so beautiful, even if you didn't believe, i promise that they are so colourful, vividly and intricately detailed and they are written by Lorna with the help of angels as she has profound learning difficulties.

shimmery

Thanks Flouresence, maybe I have posted this in the wrong place

zef

Each to their own, and it's good you can get some comfort from it.
I was into the new agey stuff a few years back, and it was defintly part of some process of the whole spirituality thing , for me anyway.
(But i don't believe in it anymore. )

the_syco

shimmery wrote: »

But she is not a psychic like 'Sally' and never claims to be. She talks to angels and spreads their teachings.

You do realise that these two sentences contradict each other?

Maybe post at the christianity forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=333 - they believe in angels and anything to do with their god...

Stheno

Moved from tLL may be more appropriate here.

PammyD

Each to their own.. But, I for one definately do believe in Angels..

WavyDavy

Yes, I believe.

skyline1515

I have read her book and it is amazing, i am going to see her this evening at a public event she is doing. Her life story is amazing and she is not in it for the money as alot of what she does is free,

murrayp4

shimmery wrote: »

In relation to fattammycat, Lorna has said that she would prefer her books to be sold for 3 or 5 eur, as cheap as possible in order for them to reach as many people as possible, but production/promotion costs reflect their price. I am of the understanding that she donates quite an amount to charity also.

Why doesn't she distribute the book(s) for free as a pdf on her website then??

Bad Panda

shimmery wrote: »

I have on some occasions had what you might call a supernatural experience. Her books are so beautiful, even if you didn't believe, i promise that they are so colourful, vividly and intricately detailed and they are written by Lorna with the help of angels as she has profound learning difficulties.

I think you've been taken in my her lies. She preys on people like you that are desperate to believe in something, because it comforts you and that's not a criticism at all.

I just think a lot of people like her are experts in their field - of lying and manipulation.

WavyDavy

skyline1515 wrote: »

I have read her book and it is amazing, i am going to see her this evening at a public event she is doing. Her life story is amazing and she is not in it for the money as alot of what she does is free,

Hi skyline, just wondering where Lorna is this evening? Time and venue?

WavyDavy

WavyDavy wrote: »

Hi skyline, just wondering where Lorna is this evening? Time and venue?

Just found its on in Limerick so cant make it, enjoy!

Fluorescence

Bad Panda wrote: »

I think you've been taken in my her lies. She preys on people like you that are desperate to believe in something, because it comforts you and that's not a criticism at all.

I just think a lot of people like her are experts in their field - of lying and manipulation.

I dunno. While I don't personally believe in angels, I saw her on the Late Late a couple of months ago and she did seem very genuine. It's hard to fake conviction like that. There are a lot of scammers out there but I really don't think she can be counted among them...

shimmery

When i met her at the book signing, she said some personal things to me,that were specific, to help me. i never have met her before, she would have no idea what is going on my life. Thats why im asking those who have not read the books, to keep an open mind. I for one, fully believe. I feel bad for those who do not derive any comfort from having this belief themselves, but im confident their angel is looking after them just as well

fatmammycat

shimmery wrote: »

When i met her at the book signing, she said some personal things to me,that were specific, to help me. i never have met her before, she would have no idea what is going on my life. Thats why im asking those who have not read the books, to keep an open mind. I for one, fully believe. I feel bad for those who do not derive any comfort from having this belief themselves, but im confident their angel is looking after them just as well

Sure she did, no confirmation bias involved at all. Sorry you feel 'bad' for people who don't believe this kind of nonsense. Don't feel 'bad' for us shimmery, take strength in the knowledge that you're the kind of person who needs to believe in a magical entity to 'dreive' comfort in your life.

noddyone2

Proof needed that these yoke exist!

skyline1515

fatmammycat wrote: »

Don't feel 'bad' for us shimmery, take strength in the knowledge that you're the kind of person who needs to believe in a magical entity to 'dreive' comfort in your life.

I do not need to believe in angels to get comfort in my life, i have everything that i need, i believe that there is something out there bigger than us!!! We have all been told about when man first walked on the moon, however can we prove it.. we take the word of a few people that say it happened!!! for all we know it could have been filmed in a warehouse......

skyline1515

WavyDavy wrote: »

Just found its on in Limerick so cant make it, enjoy!

It was an amazing evening, sorry for only posting now it was late when i got home.. she spoke so well and you could sit and listen to her for hours.. there was a Q&A session and then she met with every person there and said a prayer over them.. well worth it

angeleyes

skyline1515 wrote: »

It was an amazing evening, sorry for only posting now it was late when i got home.. she spoke so well and you could sit and listen to her for hours.. there was a Q&A session and then she met with every person there and said a prayer over them.. well worth it

I can plus 1 that as well. I too was there on Thursday evening and I really loved it. I brought two friends with me also and they found the evening wonderful and emotional. The evening was offered free of charge so no money taken so it goes to show that Lorna is giving of her time and love to tell us of her experiences of angels and God.

Dave!

skyline1515 wrote: »

I do not need to believe in angels to get comfort in my life, i have everything that i need, i believe that there is something out there bigger than us!!! We have all been told about when man first walked on the moon, however can we prove it.. we take the word of a few people that say it happened!!! for all we know it could have been filmed in a warehouse......

Oh dear Jesus...

Yes man did walk on the moon, and yes we have plenty of evidence to support it.

There's a thread over here if you feel like having your moon landing hoax theories probed!

Amtmann

skyline1515 wrote: »

I do not need to believe in angels to get comfort in my life, i have everything that i need, i believe that there is something out there bigger than us!!!

Why?

skyline1515

Amtmann wrote: »

Why?

Have you ever took time to think whats the reason for us being here? I believe there is a god, be it whatever religion a person is.( and before anyone has a go at me, i am aware of all the horrible things happening in the world, and if god is all good why does he leave these things happen...)
i believe that angels are there to guide us in the right direction in life... That is my opinion and if other people do not agree i respect their opinion.

oceanclub

shimmery wrote: »

In relation to fattammycat, Lorna has said that she would prefer her books to be sold for 3 or 5 eur, as cheap as possible in order for them to reach as many people as possible, but production/promotion costs reflect their price. I am of the understanding that she donates quite an amount to charity also.

Then I suggests she distributes them as free PDF/mobi/epub files online. Problem solved!

P.

Adamas

the_syco wrote: »

You do realise that these two sentences contradict each other?

Maybe post at the christianity forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=333 - they believe in angels and anything to do with their god...

The word 'angel' simply means 'messenger', and has been adapted by religions, mostly Christian, as being some sort of winged entity sent my the chief deity.

Socialist_Pig

murrayp4 wrote: »

Why doesn't she distribute the book(s) for free as a pdf on her website then??

she doesnt but i do...torrents ftw


57 leeches and no seeds......

whatdoicare

I believe this lady is someone preying on those who really want to believe and cashing in on it too.

My mam believes in Angels - and while I find it weird and a bit awkward when she starts talking to me about it, I have never told her so. I don't actively encourage it but I also don't cut her down when she wishes to tell me about how her cards told her this or her Angel book told her that. As far as I'm concerned if she believes in Angels that's her personal right and I hope they really do exist for her sake.

She is a typical middle aged woman who has led a sheltered life and it makes me rage to see someone like this lady using her deep personal belief to turn a profit.

Save your money - if Angels do exist they'll let you know- they won't need some scam artist to do it for them.

skyline1515

whatdoicare wrote: »

I believe this lady is someone preying on those who really want to believe and cashing in on it too.

My mam believes in Angels - and while I find it weird and a bit awkward when she starts talking to me about it, I have never told her so. I don't actively encourage it but I also don't cut her down when she wishes to tell me about how her cards told her this or her Angel book told her that. As far as I'm concerned if she believes in Angels that's her personal right and I hope they really do exist for her sake.

She is a typical middle aged woman who has led a sheltered life and it makes me rage to see someone like this lady using her deep personal belief to turn a profit.

Save your money - if Angels do exist they'll let you know- they won't need some scam artist to do it for them.

I can see where you are coming from with what you said. Both my mum and I believe in Angels, we have read different books on the subject by different people and of them all we have found Lorna Byrne the only one that is not out to rip off people any events/talks that she does are free, she does not sell her books at them or even mention where you can buy them. she doesn't do private sitting with people.
There is another lady called Francesca Browne, who charges people €40-€50 for 30 minutes of her time.... I would not cross the road to see her, as she is making massive money out people....
people ask why doesn't Lorna give her books free online, at the end of the day she wrote a book and the publishing company knew they would make money from it.. the €9 etc the book cost does not all go to her..

Amtmann

skyline1515 wrote: »

Have you ever took time to think whats the reason for us being here?

Yes. We are the result of an almost innumerable series of ongoing physical and chemical processes. Do you think the universe owes you a raison d'etre?

I believe there is a god, be it whatever religion a person is.( and before anyone has a go at me, i am aware of all the horrible things happening in the world, and if god is all good why does he leave these things happen...)
i believe that angels are there to guide us in the right direction in life... That is my opinion and if other people do not agree i respect their opinion.

I am asking you why you believe, not what you believe.

ellen27

I believe in angels as I have seen them twice 1 in a large golden ball floating above a kitchen sink and the other angel I seen was about 7 foot tall with a white glow. If I didn't experience this I wouldn't believe in angels

skyline1515

Amtmann wrote: »

I am asking you why you believe, not what you believe.

Sorry, went off on a tangent the last day.. ok the reason i believe in them is due to my own experiences in life, i suffered depression many years ago, for which i refused medication for and dealt with it through counseling and good friends. there were times when the world seemed so dark and lonely i would feel worthless etc.. during many of those time when i was at my worst. i felt what can only be described as arms around me and this feeling of love,and finding white feathers in my room in the morning...

hope this answers your question

purified

shimmery wrote: »

Over the past few months I have been reading the books by Lorna Byrne based on her experiences with angels, and all they have taught her. It really has reignited my belief in God, I am wondering has anyone else hear read these books?Or themselves had an experience with angels?
I am writing this in the Ladies Lounge, as I attended her book signing at the weekend, and the majority of those attending were women, bar two or three men!!

shimmery

Shimmery... Ive read all of Lorna Byrnes book and loved every one of them, i thought the ending of the first book was just magic!!!

We are ALL entitled to our OWN beliefs and its unfortunate u got such a bashing here for expressing yours!

Not everybody believes in angels just like not everybody believes in paying taxes (two polar opposites but they are still beliefs).

I personally belief in angels as i Feel i have had too many experiences to discount them, as for Lorna Byrne i have not met her and even though she was at an event last week in limerick i couldnt make it,, but form what i have read in the books she is very sure of what she is saying i just wish when challenged in public as she is so often she could give people proof as she has clearly had it before, whether she chooses to do this in private is her own choice but i do believe she sees angels.

At the end of the day there isnt smoke without fire and surely at this stage in the world the experiences of this are widespread.

oceanclub

ellen27 wrote: »

I believe in angels as I have seen them twice 1 in a large golden ball floating above a kitchen sink and the other angel I seen was about 7 foot tall with a white glow. If I didn't experience this I wouldn't believe in angels

P.

Amtmann

skyline1515 wrote: »

Sorry, went off on a tangent the last day.. ok the reason i believe in them is due to my own experiences in life, i suffered depression many years ago, for which i refused medication for and dealt with it through counseling and good friends. there were times when the world seemed so dark and lonely i would feel worthless etc.. during many of those time when i was at my worst. i felt what can only be described as arms around me and this feeling of love,and finding white feathers in my room in the morning...

hope this answers your question

Thanks, it does. However, for me that is absolutely no reason to believe in angels. People often believe in unlikely things at times of distress, purely for the comfort factor.

Would you consider subjecting those feathers to scientific analysis to rule out the probability that they came from a bird?

skyline1515

Amtmann wrote: »

Thanks, it does. However, for me that is absolutely no reason to believe in angels. People often believe in unlikely things at times of distress, purely for the comfort factor.

Would you consider subjecting those feathers to scientific analysis to rule out the probability that they came from a bird?

If they came from a bird,so be it.. i take it as a sign.

i do understand where you are coming from and i respect your right not to believe in them and i do not believe in going around trying to make people believe in Angels...

Amtmann

skyline1515 wrote: »

If they came from a bird,so be it.. i take it as a sign.

With respect, you take it as a sign of what? That a bird feather ended up in your bedroom?

It seems that you believe because you want to believe; you want it to be true; but of course, that is not a good reason to believe anything.

purified

[QUOTE=It seems that you believe because you want to believe; you want it to be true; but of course, that is not a good reason to believe anything.[/QUOTE]

As an outsider and the fact that this is on a public forum are you not just putting words in this persons mouth, Surely living in a free world gives them the right to want to believe in whatever they choose? Who are you to decide what is a 'good reason to believe anything'?

Amtmann

purified wrote: »

As an outsider and the fact that this is on a public forum are you not just putting words in this persons mouth, Surely living in a free world gives them the right to want to believe in whatever they choose? Who are you to decide what is a 'good reason to believe anything'?

Clearly you don't grasp the concept of a discussion forum. If someone wanted to believe the world is flat, would you respect that belief as well (noting that respect is not the same as tolerate)?

The poster says he believes in angels in part because he found feathers in his bedroom. I respond by saying that this is a poor reason to believe in angels. Do you think it's a good reason to believe in them?

And certainly, wanting to believe something is a very poor reason for actually believing something. I might want to believe that the girl next door loves me; but if in fact she does not, then my wanting to believe it will do nothing to make the belief true. The same principle is at work with respect to wanting to believe in angels.

A lot of people are unable to discern that wishing for a thing to be true does not actually make it true.

purified

Amtmann wrote: »

Clearly you don't grasp the concept of a discussion forum. If someone wanted to believe the world is flat, would you respect that belief as well (noting that respect is not the same as tolerate)?

The poster says he believes in angels in part because he found feathers in his bedroom. I respond by saying that this is a poor reason to believe in angels. Do you think it's a good reason to believe in them?

And certainly, wanting to believe something is a very poor reason for actually believing something. I might want to believe that the girl next door loves me; but if in fact she does not, then my wanting to believe it will do nothing to make the belief true. The same principle is at work with respect to wanting to believe in angels.

A lot of people are unable to discern that wishing for a thing to be true does not actually make it true.

On the Contrary i understand exactly the purpose of a discussion forum. the key word being discussion! not heres my view if you dont like it you are wrong!

As for finding the feathers on the floor, RESPECT plays a huge part in this, while i would be sceptical that this alone would be enough to believe in angels i would absolutely respect his choice to do this as each persons experience of a particular event is different and should never be discounted by someone who doesn't fully understand the situation or emotions connected with that experience.

It is disrespectful to tell someone that their reason for believing in something is not a good enough reason just because it does nto resonate with you, This is their choice to share this and look for help on this subject, Help should not be seen as a opportunity to tell someone they are wrong, it should be an opportunity to educate someone and not tell them there beliefs are not acceptable to you whatever personal opinions you have (which by the way everyone has tolerated and respected here). There are plenty of ways the OP can be reassured that they are entitled to their own opinion and allowed to express that without having to worry about being belittled by being told their beliefs are not concrete enough.

Luckily we do not live in a communist country where are beliefs are not forced upon us!

Red21

Amtmann wrote: »

With respect, you take it as a sign of what? That a bird feather ended up in your bedroom?

It seems that you believe because you want to believe; you want it to be true; but of course, that is not a good reason to believe anything.

You've just made one big assumption about the poster here and whats that based on, a few short posts.
Do you often jump to conclusions so quickly? are you ever wrong when you do?

skyline1515

Amtmann wrote: »

It seems that you believe because you want to believe; you want it to be true; but of course, that is not a good reason to believe anything.

I would like to ask you a question, (if you wish not to answer it, i respect that)
when it comes to spirituality and religion what do you believe?