Hibernian FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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Sadly the fan passed away.

Jelle1880

Awfully quiet in here, The Kew out celebrating I take it ?

Some goal by Griffiths.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaJKOCkMEsI&feature=youtu.be&a

blahfckingblah

well done.. in terms of the league you's havnt done nearly as well as i expected this season

CZ 453

About time we humped that lot.Hopefully the tax man will sort them now for their sins

1967

Totally deserved the win today,fantastic free from Sparky for the equaliser and what a great composed finish from Ross Caldwell for the winner,ggtth

shezer

shezer wrote: »

About time we humped that lot.Hopefully the tax man will sort them now for their sins

If by "about time" you mean "for the first time in the league in Jaysus knows how many attempts", and if by "humped" you mean "defeated by two goals to one", then you might well be right. Not, I hasten to add, that you deserved anything less than a win from the game.

As for the tax man, if by "their sins" you mean "utterly horsing Hibs senseless at Hampden in the biggest Edinburgh derby of the century - and then showing up six years later in an even bigger Edinburgh derby and doing it again, only even worse", then you might also well be right.

In any case, do you not keep up? We've settled with Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs. :P

It's the Lithuanian Central Bank we have to worry about. :eek:

But for now, I'll cope.

CZ 453

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If by "about time" you mean "for the first time in the league in Jaysus knows how many attempts", and if by "humped" you mean "defeated by two goals to one", then you might well be right. Not, I hasten to add, that you deserved anything less than a win from the game.

As for the tax man, if by "their sins" you mean "utterly horsing Hibs senseless at Hampden in the biggest Edinburgh derby of the century - and then showing up six years later in an even bigger Edinburgh derby and doing it again, only even worse", then you might also well be right.

In any case, do you not keep up? We've settled with Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs. :P

It's the Lithuanian Central Bank we have to worry about. :eek:

But for now, I'll cope.

Sins=Spending money that was not Hearts FC to spend.Spending on squads that Hearts FC couldn't afford

It is easy to beat teams with superior squads.The hard part is paying up in full for those squads.

shezer

shezer wrote: »

It is easy to beat teams with superior squads.

You're not wrong there.

Does that mean you're one of those 1-5 deniers, then? You see them on .net and the bounce, giving it the "it didn't really happen" chat.

But it did.

CZ 453

It did happen. I was there when it did. Better side by far. However it is time to pay the piper for that success.

If I gave you the option of winning a cup and going bust or have a chance of winning a cup and not going bust, which would you take now?

shezer

shezer wrote: »

It did happen. I was there when it did. Better side by far. However it is time to pay the piper for that success.

That's what I meant in the previous post. There's always some excuse to pretend it didn't happen, or it wasn't real, or that some external factor was to blame. But the fact is that the 2012 Hearts squad wasn't all that good; nowhere near the quality of 2006 or 1998, or even 1988 and 1986. There's no way that team should have won a cup final 5-1, in fact it was remarkable that the team made the final at all, and we only won so easily because Hibs failed to show up. I'm realistic enough to accept that, even if I would like to kid myself that the Hearts team was somehow better than it was.

shezer wrote: »

If I gave you the option of winning a cup and going bust or have a chance of winning a cup and not going bust, which would you take now?

But you don't get to give the options. Another option is to win the cup and not go bust. Right now, we've managed one half of that, and I'll just have to wait and see how the rest goes - since I don't get to give the options either.

Admit it though; Hibs would have done better against Celtic last year; and even though Celtic will put a far better team out on the pitch against you this time than we did last year, you've a better chance of winning.

Weird, isn't it?

CZ 453

We should be hearing about the plans for the remaining cup final tickets over the next day or two. I haven't seen many for sale on gumtree or ebay yet

The_Kew_Tour

Did not need no goal line technology or unpaid taxes yesterday.

Great result. Hopefully we can kick on.

Camac Hibs

Deleted User wrote: »

You're not wrong there.

Does that mean you're one of those 1-5 deniers, then? You see them on .net and the bounce, giving it the "it didn't really happen" chat.

But it did.

I dont think any hibs fan is going to forget that, however Hearts fans are misguided if they think we are preoccupied with it. It is dangerous to rest on your laurels - it could be argued that the 7-0 affected hibs in the same way. You will need to move beyond it if you want to reassert your dominance in this fixture - that was the quietest hearts support I have ever heard at a derby.

Camac Hibs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-N79B-rTP4

Camac Hibs

Deleted User wrote: »

Admit it though; Hibs would have done better against Celtic last year; and even though Celtic will put a far better team out on the pitch against you this time than we did last year, you've a better chance of winning.

Absolutely - would have fancied us more against celtic last year. Our whole mental approach to derbies, as a club, team and support, has been flawed pretty much since the McLeish era. We have expected to lose and let hearts boss us from the first minute. The players and fans were just waiting for calamity.

This was one of the first things Fenlon clocked after he came to hibs and in fairness, it looks as if he has started to change it. The whole attitude towards the derby has changed this year, both in terms of the players and the support. The fear has gone.

CZ 453

General sale tomorrow at 12
http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20130513/scottish-cup-final-general-sale_2262950_3177325

Camac Hibs

Camac Hibs wrote: »

This was one of the first things Fenlon clocked after he came to hibs and in fairness, it looks as if he has started to change it. The whole attitude towards the derby has changed this year, both in terms of the players and the support. The fear has gone.

If you say so. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to thank John McGlynn or Gary Locke for being poor managers - but it is a more credible explanation for Hearts' failure to deliver in derby games this season.

Still, you could yet turn Celtic over, and if you do Fenlon will become the Messiah - even though a fair and independent analysis would suggest that he and Hibs haven't really made any progress this season. I s'pose looking at Hearts travelling backwards might seem like progress, but you know it isn't really.

But if you lose the cup final, do you really want to keep him? Honest answer, now. In fact, if Hibs hadn't made the final, and were playing Killie next for a shot at 8th, 9th or 10th, he'd probably be given his P45 at the end of the month.

Camac Hibs

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If you say so. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to thank John McGlynn or Gary Locke for being poor managers - but it is a more credible explanation for Hearts' failure to deliver in derby games this season.

Still, you could yet turn Celtic over, and if you do Fenlon will become the Messiah - even though a fair and independent analysis would suggest that he and Hibs haven't really made any progress this season. I s'pose looking at Hearts travelling backwards might seem like progress, but you know it isn't really.

But if you lose the cup final, do you really want to keep him? Honest answer, now. In fact, if Hibs hadn't made the final, and were playing Killie next for a shot at 8th, 9th or 10th, he'd probably be given his P45 at the end of the month.

A more credible explanation is that Hearts have been forced to start trying to live within their means this season, somewhat leveling the playing field. However, I dont think we should be measuring progress against Hearts league position - we should and could have made top six this year. And without two ridiculous refereeing decisions against Hearts and Dundee Utd in the games approaching the split, we would have been.

I think Fenlon has his limitations but is on a steep learning curve and is becoming less stubborn with his tactics. Some signings havent worked out, and some key players have fallen away badly in the second half of the season (Cairney and McPake) for health reasons or otherwise. However, I think most hibs fans can see that there is a backbone and steel to the team that has simply not been there in recent seasons. For the last few years going a goal down to hearts would have finished us, we would have mentally buckled. Likewise the first half display against Falkirk.

I dont expect to beat Celtic, we just dont have the resources. However, I am happy to stick with Fenlon for next season and would like the team based around youth rather than signing any more stop gap journeymen. If we are not at least challenging for a european place by the end of next season then a case can be made for him to go, the last thing we need is another change in manager.

Camac Hibs

Camac Hibs wrote: »

A more credible explanation is that Hearts have been forced to start trying to live within their means this season, somewhat leveling the playing field.

I think you mean "plausible narrative" rather than "credible explanation", because it doesn't really address the slight but significant imbalance in favour of Hearts for most of the last 14 decades or thereabouts.

Camac Hibs wrote: »

However, I think most hibs fans can see that there is a backbone and steel to the team that has simply not been there in recent seasons.

But that hasn't really translated into results, has it? Having said that, I do think Hibs have conceded fewer goals this season than last in the league - though in fairness it has to be said that the absence of Rangers was a big help in that respect.

Camac Hibs wrote: »

I am happy to stick with Fenlon for next season and would like the team based around youth rather than signing any more stop gap journeymen.

Football supporters (especially those of less fashionable and well-resourced clubs like ours) say they want youth, but that only lasts until the going gets tough; a few bad results in a row and they'll ruthlessly call for the chucking out of their academy products in favour of a couple of hard-nosed professional signings.

Camac Hibs

Deleted User wrote: »

I think you mean "plausible narrative" rather than "credible explanation", because it doesn't really address the slight but significant imbalance in favour of Hearts for most of the last 14 decades or thereabouts.

But that hasn't really translated into results, has it? Having said that, I do think Hibs have conceded fewer goals this season than last in the league - though in fairness it has to be said that the absence of Rangers was a big help in that respect.

Football supporters (especially those of less fashionable and well-resourced clubs like ours) say they want youth, but that only lasts until the going gets tough; a few bad results in a row and they'll ruthlessly call for the chucking out of their academy products in favour of a couple of hard-nosed professional signings.

I thought we were talking about this season. As ****e as hearts might be this year, I think our attitude to derbies has changed since last May, and that is reflected in our best derby record over a season for 15 odd years.

It is disappointing the way we have fallen away since January - however this is a trend that mysteriously seems to transcend managers again going back to McLeish. Considering the utter ****e Fenlon inherited, in both club culture and squad, Im prepared to stick with him for now and cautiously welcome the progress made.

I would prefer to look at the resources we have rather than have a constant revolving door of the likes of Matt Done and Tom Soares types, and I think our fans will have some patience with a younger team.

Camac Hibs

Camac Hibs wrote: »

I would prefer to look at the resources we have rather than have a constant revolving door of the likes of Matt Done and Tom Soares types, and I think our fans will have some patience with a younger team.

Speaking of the resources you have, Leigh Griffiths has bagged the SPL player of the year award.

Well done him.

eire4

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Speaking of the resources you have, Leigh Griffiths has bagged the SPL player of the year award.

Well done him.

It will be very interesting to see where he ends up playing his football next season. With Wolves being relegated again I can easily see him moving on. But can Hibernian afford him?

The_Kew_Tour

eire4 wrote: »

It will be very interesting to see where he ends up playing his football next season. With Wolves being relegated again I can easily see him moving on. But can Hibernian afford him?

If we lose him with Doyle also leaving we could be in huge trouble next season.

Not sure but apparently we can afford him.

eire4

eire4 wrote: »

It will be very interesting to see where he ends up playing his football next season.

Just a thought.

Dempsey

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Just a thought.

No disrespect but Derek Riordan Mark II if he came to Celtic. He'd go off the rails without 1st team football to keep him focused.

I think Leigh Griffith should do everything to remain at Hibs for at least 2/3 years more because Fenlon is getting the best out of him and he's enjoying his football. I think he realizes it too at this stage.

The_Kew_Tour

2 wins in a row

2 away wins in a row.

Woop woop!!!!

Dempsey

Hibs and Aberdeen should be ahead of of DUTD in the table, only in Scotland!!

The_Kew_Tour

Dempsey wrote: »

Hibs and Aberdeen should be ahead of of DUTD in the table, only in Scotland!!

Ya makes no sense. Tbf though we would be playing the lower teams unlike top 6. But ya still stupid.

PauloMN

Dempsey wrote: »

Hibs and Aberdeen should be ahead of of DUTD in the table, only in Scotland!!

Stupid split. That table is hurting my eyes, it looks wrong.

CZ 453

Some fella selling tickets there on adverts for Hibs section.

The club are doing a ballot for the Dundee game. 500 pairs of tickets up for grabs