Irish Independent website showing "sickening images"

vicwatson

Of dead women and children in Syria tonight on their website. Im not giving the link, if people want to look then go ahead.

I think its in really bad taste they have these pics on their web. Zero respect for the poor children and women murdered.

Indo hits new low in my opinion.

smash

You're right, we shouldn't show people what's happening in the world.

starbelgrade

Pics of Kevin Myers?

Esoteric_

Wow. They should have more respect for the dead. Just because their families are highly unlikely to see those pictures does not mean that they should post them on their site. It's disturbing that someone would choose to publish pictures like those.

mcmoustache

http://www.independent.ie/

Foghladh

vicwatson wrote: »

Of dead women and children in Syria tonight on their website. Im not giving the link, if people want to look then go ahead.

I think its in really bad taste they have these pics on their web. Zero respect for the poor children and women murdered.

Indo hits new low in my opinion.

A picture speaks a thousand words I suppose.

Besides I'd say those poor souls are long past caring about their self respect

McCrack

I don't have an issue with these publications, often a visual reality focuses the mind. I think people have become somewhat desensitised to crimes against humanity when they read about them and just flick over the page not giving a second thought.

I mean if these pictures weren't published would we be having this slaughter discussed?

TreesAreCrowd

Location: WWW.KONY2012.COM

I see you're not a fan of reality and/or the truth anyway.

Personally, I'd rather see real news of what is going on in the world than the "Independent Woman" crap that they've polluted their site with and front page with in the last few years. War is bloody, violent and a reality of life and it's important that people are exposed to the truth of the situation to better appreciate what exactly is taking place.

MickySticks

Have to agree with the OP here. There's no need to show images of dead kids, we are well aware of whats going on in Syria. God bless them poor people, we don't know how easy we have it in this country.

vicwatson

smash wrote: »

You're right, we shouldn't show people what's happening in the world.

We KNOW. We really don't need to see images of dead, mutilated and raped children to know.

brimal

Absolutely sickening images.

Fuck Assad.

brimal

Oops double post...

Oh well i'll say it again - fuck Assad

starbelgrade

mcmoustache wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/

Oooh. I've just seen the pictures. They are harrowing to say the least.

We're not used to seeing those sort of pictures in Ireland - the first time i saw news pictures like that was when I lived in Spain. Atrocities like that are all too commonplace & the news outlets there have no problem showing them.

The first time I saw a news report showing dead bodies, I was shocked - not only by the story but by the fact that they showed the bodies. It raises all sorts of questions about respect for the dead & the need to show such images.

It threads a fine line between news reporting & aiming for the shock factor. Years late & I'm still not sure which side of the fence I think it falls on.

TreesAreCrowd

vicwatson wrote: »

We KNOW. We really don't need to see images of dead, mutilated and raped children to know.

The fact that you're so shocked by a few pictures really goes to show that you don't actually know the reality of the situation over there.

vicwatson

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

The fact that you're so shocked by a few pictures really goes to show that you don't actually know the reality of the situation over there.

You haven't a clue what i do or don't know about the situation.

Meanwhile back on topic

TreesAreCrowd

starbelgrade wrote: »

It threads a fine line between news reporting & aiming for the shock factor. Years late & I'm still not sure which side of the fence I think it falls on.

As it's the Independent, it's certainly the latter. It's an absolute f*cking rag but pictures of dead children is about the closest to real journalism that they're ever going to get these days when you consider how far down the shítter it has went in recent years.

TreesAreCrowd

vicwatson wrote: »

You haven't a clue what i do or don't know about the situation.

Meanwhile back on topic

Well, if you bought into

Location: WWWKONY2012COM

I can certainly make assumptions on what other shíte you'll buy into or realities you'll happily ignore.

starbelgrade

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

The fact that you're so shocked by a few pictures really goes to show that you don't actually know the reality of the situation over there.

And what makes you such an expert on the reality of what goes on in Syria from what? Being a war correspondent with The Times?

woodoo

Its very grim but that is the reality of what that monster Assad is doing.

TreesAreCrowd

starbelgrade wrote: »

And what makes you such an expert on the reality of what goes on in Syria from what? Being a war correspondent with The Times?

I've seen things, man.

stovelid

It's a fireproof way to boost circulation and views for a rag like the indo.

Post tasteless pictures safe in the knowledge that a load of pompous people will immediately weigh in with solemn lectures about The Truth and justify your prurient sale boosting.

As if I need to see pictures of mutilated children to grasp what's happening in Syria.

vicwatson

Foghladh wrote: »

A picture speaks a thousand words I suppose.

Besides I'd say those poor souls are long past caring about their self respect

Point missed Im afraid. its about the us having respect for those children and women and displaying their dead mutilated bodies on the home page of a website of a supposed "respectable" newspaper.

woodoo

stovelid wrote: »

As if I need to see pictures of mutilated children to grasp what's happening in Syria.

Many do. The sort of people who just have no interest in news or international affairs.

vicwatson

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Well, if you bought into


I can certainly make assumptions on what other shíte you'll buy into or realities you'll happily ignore.

Meantime back on topic......

Assume what you want.

woodoo

Assad2012

starbelgrade

woodoo wrote: »

Many do. The sort of people who just have no interest in news or international affairs.

That's a very good point.

vicwatson

woodoo wrote: »

Many do. The sort of people who just have no interest in news or international affairs.

Hardly be looking at news website then?

woodoo

vicwatson wrote: »

Hardly be looking at news website then?

Or tomorrows front page

stovelid

woodoo wrote: »

Many do. The sort of people who just have no interest in news or international affairs.

And a few blown up kids will suddenly convert them into broadsheet reading intellectuals?

The indo wants to sell papers. Blown up kids or Glenda Gilson's tits. Same thing.

Chuck Stone

Seen some of it on the news earlier. People with their hands tie-wrapped behind their backs and executed.

Murdering bastards.

mikom

vicwatson wrote: »

Irish Independent website showing "sickening images"
Of dead women and children in Syria tonight on their website. Im not giving the link, if people want to look then go ahead.

I think its in really bad taste they have these pics on their web. Zero respect for the poor children and women murdered.

Indo hits new low in my opinion.

Yes, I'd much more prefer "Irelands rich list" instead.

plasmaguy

Almost enough to put me off my cavier and champagne over dinner, what...

This has been going on for a year now, and it's only now that some people are waking up to it, which is truely sad.

Sometimes you have to be sickened to come to your senses.

Duggys Housemate

I think this kind of stuff should be shown.... As to whether it will boost circulation, the jury is out. Many of the squeamish here would refuse to buy the newspaper.

Pictures matter. Hearing about atrocities is the not the same as seeing them, which is why you all - including the squeamish - have grown up with pictures of dead emaciated bodies thrown on the slag heap in camps in liberated Poland.

brimal

All this bickering on the thread about paper sales, etc. Are these pictures even going to make the print edition?

Print edition is more selective (and possibly more conservative) in images like this, no?

SeanW

MickySticks wrote: »

Have to agree with the OP here. There's no need to show images of dead kids, we are well aware of whats going on in Syria. God bless them poor people, we don't know how easy we have it in this country.

Obviously we, as citizens of the world did nothing to stop these power crazed lunatics from slaughtering their own people. The result was brutal and the media has a duty to tell the truth.

I only hope someone rubs it in the faces of the Chinese and Russian governments. They have as much blood on their hands as Assad & Co.

Meow_Meow

The only thing more sickening than the pictures are the comments after the article... some weirdos out there

Babybuff

Harsh, difficult to look at but I think people are numbed to the world these days and just sometimes they need a kick back to reality.

TerrorFirmer

I think the publication of such media is important in establishing the reality of the world around us, and not just the one we've all been conditioned towards. Websites like Liveleak, Bestgore, and similar, are certainly unforgivably gruesome and not for the faint of heart, but I do consider it important that such material is freely available to establish the reality of current affairs, and not just as it is presented in our decidedly tame first worlds respective media, i.e, censored to the point of failing to truly convey the harsh reality. Sometimes we think we know what's going on, and such media inspires us to rethink that very assumption.

Capt'n Midnight

vicwatson wrote: »

I think its in really bad taste they have these pics on their web. Zero respect for the poor children and women murdered.

Indo hits new low in my opinion.

Not even remotely close to a new low.

IIRC it was the Sunday Independent that had pictures of charred corpses from an IRA bombing on the front cover back in the late 1970's / early 80's. Shocking stuff back then and very close to home.

CrazyRabbit

I'm divided on this. In one regard, it could be considered disrespectful to the dead and their families.

On the other hand, people are now desensitised to these stories of civilians/kids being killed in warzones. It's not until we actually see pictures/videos that it really 'hits home' just how barbaric and evil these cowardly murderers are.

I'd also like to think that if the dead could speak, they they would want the world to see what was done to them, in the hope that it might spark some change.

Sad truth is..even if we saw pictures like this every day, 99% of us won't actually do anything about it. Apathy is our greatest weakness.

Cú Giobach

As CrazyRabbit said, I'm pretty sure these people would want others to see what happened to them, I also think most of their families would want it too.

People in many other societies aren't as squeamish about viewing death as we are, you just have to watch reports from somewhere like Iraq, where relatives can often be seen practically dragging camera teams into hospitals or morgues, in order to show the world what has happened to their loved ones.

Dubit10

And still the leading story in the news is about an ex FF bagman complaining about a tweet. What a sorry nation this is.

danniemcq

If people are being sickened because they see something in a warzone that distresses them then guess what the photographer and journalist are doing their jobs.

Yes there is a war in Syria at the minute and people know Assad should not be in power but the longer it goes on the more people are desensitised by the whole thing.

While i do not like the independent as a paper i am behind them on this. If this makes you uncomfortable while living in your first world country thats only worry is how much money we have then be very thankful for your sheltered life and be thankful you are not the ones fighting and dying for freedom against a brutal dictator.

Its images like these that keep the debate going, that sway public opinion from "something should be done" to "something has to be done" and maybe that public opinion and pressure can make certain world powers act and show that they can do good and its not all about oil.

CrackisWhack

tbh I'm more leaning to the thoughts that they should be showing these images to build a bit of support for intervention, I understand about respecting the dead, but what about the living who could suffer the same fate?

Plazaman

Lots of news websites used the same images yesterday so D'Indo being the bandwagon jumpers they are followed suit (they're in print in todays Star so be warned).

I thought I was desensitised to war photos but these were chilling. As was pointed out by a poster previously, I do think it is important they are shown though to show people what is happening in the world. Personally there's nothing I can do about it by myself but as part of the global community maybe my few kilobytes of a rant on forums such as this using words like "Assad", "Syria", "Homs" will trend somewhere enough for the powers that be to take notice. We live in hope (PS this is not a rant).

In the meantime for anyone who doesn't like such graphic photos, there's a box with a red X on the top right of your screen for websites you don't like.

TheVoodoo

I think it's important that pictures like these are shown. It's a media outlet, regardless of making sales or not, the controversy of the pictures is a talking point albeit skirting around the actual issue, it does serve to 'raise awareness'. whether or not it's acted upon is a different thing altogether. The gravity of the actual situation is unimaginable, and the pictures that are seen on various media outlets don't even show a fraction of the reality of the happenings in Syria [and countess other places].

While it may not be pleasant to see such pictures, I can assure you, it's far, far worse in reality, more than you could ever possibly imagine.

stovelid

SeanW wrote: »

Obviously we, as citizens of the world did nothing to stop these power crazed lunatics from slaughtering their own people. The result was brutal and the media has a duty to tell the truth

So what is your plan of action now that the pictures have been shown?

Sonnenblumen

vicwatson wrote: »

Of dead women and children in Syria tonight on their website. Im not giving the link, if people want to look then go ahead.

I think its in really bad taste they have these pics on their web. Zero respect for the poor children and women murdered.

Indo hits new low in my opinion.

Muslims killing Muslims.

pconn062

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

I'm divided on this. In one regard, it could be considered disrespectful to the dead and their families.

On the other hand, people are now desensitised to these stories of civilians/kids being killed in warzones. It's not until we actually see pictures/videos that it really 'hits home' just how barbaric and evil these cowardly murderers are.

I'd also like to think that if the dead could speak, they they would want the world to see what was done to them, in the hope that it might spark some change.

Sad truth is..even if we saw pictures like this every day, 99% of us won't actually do anything about it. Apathy is our greatest weakness.

So, what do you suggest we do about it? What could we possibly do in this situation?

AngryBollix

What do people think happens in these kinds of situations?

CrazyRabbit

pconn062 wrote: »

So, what do you suggest we do about it? What could we possibly do in this situation?

Damn good question. Don't really have an answer. I guess that's the problem.